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FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Apr 2004 to 5 Apr 2004 (#2004-93)

Mon, 5 Apr 2004

There are 14 messages totalling 444 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. KtK Update and Email campaign
  2. FORKNI-L Digest - 3 Apr 2004 to 4 Apr 2004 (#2004-92)
  3. Amazon taking pre-orders for NB's new book
  4. non-vamp reasons to love FK (4)
  5. Birthday Info Needed
  6. Non-vampire reasons to love FK (4)
  7. LCA 7
  8. Fwd: Re: non-vamp reasons to love FK

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:18:18 EDT
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: KtK Update and Email campaign

Hi Everyone!
We have all been enjoying the boxed sets of FK 's first season DVD's, well,
we think its time to let TPTB that we would like the 2nd set with lots of
extras as soon as possible!!
 So what I would like  everyone to do is send me in an email saying how much
you enjoyed the first set, and would love more with extras.
Please dont address the emails to TPTB to me, Just "To whom it may concern"
is fine.
Send the emails to:SField8067@a....... and put "Emails to Sony" in the subject
line.
I will be collecting them for the rest of this month.after that, they will be
sent to TPTB on your behalf.now we need a really good showing of support here
folks. lots and lots of emails!! a few in a box wont impress...lets make sure
that they know how much we really want this as fast as possible :)

After that we will be having another email campaign. for something
else.Details to come >G<

There is also another KtK auction planned.We will be having this very soon.
Getting things organised for it now. We have lots and lots of great items!! :)

The Crusader page update will be happening in a few weeks as well. so stay
tuned for that!

All the best to everyone ,Happy Holidays!
Susan Ellen Field
SField8067@a.......
KtK & Crusader Fearless Leader :)

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 14:50:45 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 3 Apr 2004 to 4 Apr 2004 (#2004-92)

Me, too!  Although I hate to say it, <g>, that is one reason I've been
enjoying Angel.  But I still probably wouldn't buy it on DVD.

That's also the main reason I enjoy science fiction and fantasy in
general, including Forever Knight.  Those stories have grappled with
many challenging questions and issues over time -- which other writers,
whether they were screenwriters or novelists, were not always
comfortable taking up.  For example, IIRC, Star Trek was the first show
on TV to show an interracial kiss.

I also think if not for that and other groundbreaking shows in the
genre, there wouldn't have been a FK in the first place.  Posing
challenging questions is what I've always loved about the two genres
and FK in particular.

> From:    "Amy R." <akr@l.......>

These characters grapple with questions our society has become
embarrassed to ask most of the time, like, am I good or evil?  Am I
getting to be a better person, or a worse one?  I love that.

=====
Emily M. Hanson
emilymhanson@y......
http://www.starbase-eprime.us

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:06:26 -0600
From:    Stephen Fellows <stevef@m.......>
Subject: Amazon taking pre-orders for NB's new book

I noticed today that Amazon.com is accepting pre-orders for "Siege Perilous" by
Nigel Bennett & P.N. Elrod.  However, they're still asking full cover price
($22); they'll probably discount this at some point before publication, so you
might not want to order just yet.  You might want to check out the cover picture,
though.

The publication date is listed as October 2004, ISBN 0743488547.
The book isn't on the publisher's list of upcoming books, but their online
schedule currently only goes up to September.  Once the October books are up (maybe
in May), there will probably be an online sample chapter.

For any new fans who don't know what I'm talking about, "Siege Perilous" is the
third novel co-authored by Nigel Bennett (Lacroix on FK) and P.N. Elrod.  The
others are "Keeper of the King" (published in 1996), and "His Father's Son"
(published in 2001).

Steve F.
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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:58:18 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: non-vamp reasons to love FK

In a message dated 4/4/04 12:49:53 PM Central Daylight Time, akr@l.......
writes:


>  Without discounting that, I just wanted to ask the list: *what
> is it you enjoy in FK's story quite independent of the vampire aspect?*
>

The same things I enjoy is both Angel and Buffy - good stories, intriguing
characters, imperfect characters, and stories which make me think.

Not every show appeals to every person, so I'm not going to negate someone
not liking Buffy. But Buffy the Vampire Slayer also dove in depth with social
issues - teenage troubles, people being accepted for being gay (this was only
alluded to in FEVER on FK, but it was also a slightly different era at the
time), struggling with challenges life throws at us.

Angel took me a long time to warm up to as a series, and now I love it. I've
been purchasing Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and of course FK on DVD, and
will continue to do so even if it means putting it on lay-away at Walmart ;-D
They are all excellent shows which I love, and NOT just because there's
vampires in them. There's plenty of vampire shows and movies I didn't like, or
didn't like well enough to shell out the money for DVDs or videos.

--Libs

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:17:47 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: non-vamp reasons to love FK

Amy wrote:
> >  Without discounting that, I just wanted to ask the list: *what
> > is it you enjoy in FK's story quite independent of the
> vampire aspect?

I'm not the least bit interested in vampires---never have been. That
was one reason why, when a coworker described FK to me, I immediately
put it into the "stupid, don't bother with it" category. But then I
happened across it one night, and became hooked.

Reason? It's about a tragic hero, a person working to overcome huge
obstacles who, even in failure, is triumphant. It's good vs. evil,
explores the nature of what *is* good or evil. It's bits of history.
It's unrequited, hopeless love. It's a small slice of Canada in an
otherwise LA-centric world.

It was also actors gifted with talent shining through the screen and
good scripts. It was a musical score that stayed in your mind. FK was
an oasis of quality in a sea of mediocrity.

It was wonderful while it lasted, wasn't it? <nostalgic sigh>

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:07:33 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Birthday Info Needed

Hi Y'all!

The following address also bounced back to me when I sent out the
birthday confirmation message last week.

monica, luscious lucius lover   mrodri14@u.......

monica, if you're out there, send your correct addy to eowyn3@j....... so
I can announce your birthday!

Terri
eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List
She can be taught!  But only in little bytes!

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:11:43 -0700
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: Re: Non-vampire reasons to love FK

The best I can come up with is what seems to be a
theme with the shows I've gotten hooked on. FK,
Highlander, Angel, Buffy, Tracker, maybe even Due
South, though it's the one non-supernatural/scifi show
in the bunch and may or may not count, the central
character in all of them is someone who's either
different somehow from other people, or is in a
different environment, and is trying to find their
place in things. I guess I can kinda relate to the
different and facing difficulties parts since
sometimes things are harder for me than they might be
for other people because of the LD and stuff I've got
and have to deal with.

Mel, who's usually not all that great at these kinds
of questions

=====
The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain
NickNatpacker,Knightie,Knight of the Cross;Duncan, Tessa and Joe flags-waver,
Dueser,Fan of Buffy and Angel's true and undying love for one another
http//:groups.yahoo.com/group/thavisionthing-That Vison thing Angel rpg

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:25:35 -0700
From:    Megan MacLean <xena_goddess_of_war_99@y......>
Subject: Re: non-vamp reasons to love FK

-------
Amy R. wrote: what is it you enjoy in FK's
story quite independent of the vampire aspect?*
---------
 Non- vamp reasons that Im still in love with FK:
Definitely the well-written stories, the imperfect,
extremely realistic, fleshed out and thought out and
generally intriguing characters. The characters all
grow, evolve, get set back at some point, make
changes, ect, ect. They have a three dimensional
quality to them.

The gripping and well done storylines that have some
little moral to them, storylines that make you maybe
think a little, that make me empathize with a
character's predicament and feel for them. Also, the
direction and cinematography play a large part in why
I enjoy the show.

Just my two cents <g>

------
Megan MacLean

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Date:    Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:58:33 -0400
From:    Annmarie <wenchs@c.......>
Subject: LCA 7

April 4, 2004

Greetings from MPICA!

We are pleased to announce that Lights, Camera, Auction - Take 7! will take
place October 22-24, 2004 in Los Angeles, California. Registration and
hotel information will be posted in early May. Stay tuned for further
information.

MOTION PICTURE INDUSTRY CHARITABLE ALLIANCE 
www.mpica.org
Lights, Camera, Auction - Take 7!
http://www.mpica.org/LCA7/main.htm

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Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:08:58 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: non-vamp reasons to love FK

-------
Amy R. wrote: what is it you enjoy in FK's
story quite independent of the vampire aspect?*
---------

Hmmm.... I think one of the things I've always liked best are the very human
interactions between the charecters-- some of the best moments on the show come
from Nick baiting Schanke or chatting with Natalie or reminicing with Janette.
It felt like these were real people, with real histories and real
relationships, not just something out of a script.  A lot of that was the way
the scripts were written, and a lot of it comes from the skill of the actors.

                         -Megan


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:37:04 +0100
From:    Tracy Gooding <t.gooding@u.......>
Subject: Re: Non-vampire reasons to love FK

Lots of interesting things have been said so far.

I think the reason that I enjoy any TV programme is because of good scripts,
good acting and that it's trying to say something.  It may not always
succeed, but I respect it for trying and maintaining the belief in itself,
despite the best efforts of the TV networks.
I am not averse to any sci-fi/fantasy aspects, indeed they are a great
medium for airing subjects that might otherwise be unpalatable, but get
annoyed that TPTB seem to think we'll watch any old cack if it has that
element in it.  Apart from FK, I have enjoyed/am enjoying Due South,
Brimstone, Dead Like Me, G vs E, Alias, Smallville, Stargate SG-1, Now and
Again, and Angel.  There are more, in spite of a plethora of recent
cancellations that have culled many good series before they have had a
chance to gain an audience.

On the above note: if FK were being made today, do you think it would have
survived the latest round of sci-fi/fantasy genre cancellations?  Would it have
been considered too thoughtful, or with too many old (ahem) people, i.e. old
enough to vote and drink?  Discuss...

Tracy G
--------------------------------------------------------------
All of the love we left behind, watching our flashbacks intertwine
Memories I will never find, in spite of whatever you become
Falling Away With You: Muse (from the album Absolution)

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:53:17 -0400
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Non-vampire reasons to love FK

In a message dated 4/5/2004 12:37:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
t.gooding@u....... writes:

> On the above note: if FK were being made today, do you think it would have
> survived the latest round of sci-fi/fantasy genre
> cancellations?

I think it might have lasted longer. But it'd only survive if it was NOT on WB
(a sarcastic reference to ANGEL...) On the other hand, campaigns to save series
have matured. FK was on shortly after the beginning of the Internet becoming
common, now fans of cancelled series can rally with even more force. As it is,
look at KtK! Still going strong all these years after the series!

If anything, I think today it could have handled even more socially aware
topics. I'd love to see what could have been done with FEVER now, for example
(and that is, IMHO, the best episode).

Of course we might be looking at a sexier, bloodier show. Plus, networks want
to get their paws on shows which is not a good thing in many cases (look at what
USA did to FK). If anything, this is even more true today.

--Libs

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:35:56 EDT
From:    SFryar@a.......
Subject: Re: Non-vampire reasons to love FK

In a message dated 4/5/2004 12:37:43 PM Central Standard Time,
t.gooding@u....... writes:

> On the above note: if FK were being made today, do you think it would have
> survived the latest round of sci-fi/fantasy genre cancellations?  Would it
> have
> been considered too thoughtful, or with too many old (ahem) people, i.e. old
> enough to vote and drink?  Discuss...
>

<de-lurking for a bit...>

I think part of the problem FK would have if it were being made today is that
the major broadcast nets are eager to have a big audience as soon as possible
without having to really invest in their fragile shows, and certainly FK
would qualify as a "fragile" show. Witness the big boom in so-called "reality"
shows which have no script writers or actors to pay out big bucks to, so they're
relatively cheap to produce. Also, the broadcasters shamlessly pander to the
youthful audience while it's the "older" folks who've got the money and the
buying power.

And when you consider that the latest sci-fi/fantasy shows which got the ax
("Angel" and "Firefly") were well-written shows which didn't insult the
intelligence of the audience, I seriously doubt if FK would have a chance in an
environment where mediocre "brain candy fluff" shows stay on forever, while shows
which challenge the viewer's mind get the ax just at the time they're hitting
their stride in terms of story and character development.

Sadly, some shows are just "too smart" for tv, and FK is one of those
shows...

<back to lurking now...>

Stephie

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Date:    Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:00:23 -0700
From:    phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y......>
Subject: Fwd: Re: non-vamp reasons to love FK

Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@comcast.net> wrote:
It was also actors gifted with talent shining through the screen and
good scripts. It was a musical score that stayed in your mind. FK was
an oasis of quality in a sea of mediocrity.

It was wonderful while it lasted, wasn't it?


Oh I agree.  With everything above...except about liking vampires.  I do, and
it was the first thing that attracted me to the show.  After that, it was the
stories and the acting.  There always seemed to be some kind of life lesson in
the stories and I believe someone said this already but i will say it again.  <g>
A lot of what happened in FK could be applied to my life on a  personal level.
I just didn't have supernatural creatures to deal with.  Anyway, those are my
deep thoughts for the day.  <g>  Phylis



Phylis (Knightfilli) N&NPacker, Knightie, Dark Knightie
phylis_s_2000_2001@y......
http://www.geocities.com/phylis_s_2000_2001/phylis_poetry_homepage.html

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