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FORKNI-L Digest - 3 Nov 2003 to 4 Nov 2003 - Special issue (#2003-21)

Tue, 4 Nov 2003

There are 37 messages totalling 1018 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. who's to blame? (15)
  2. anarchy for FK (3)
  3. FK DVD
  4. How actors talked with fangs was Re: FK Moment (2)
  5. A Message To The CaddyWhack site webmaster
  6. Link of the gods
  7. Who's to blame? The Calif Fires (2)
  8. Looking for Paranormal Romances Authors
  9. DVDs - Denied! (2)
 10. FK Moment
 11. Power seller (3)
 12. FK collection (2)
 13. fangs, how to, who would was: FK Moment
 14. timing and delivery (2)

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:44:02 -0500
From:    Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

Oh, no. Of course not, especially since contract law tends to vary from state
to state.  And this was a contract that someone got the short end of the stick
on. The point of my reply was more a suggestion to the original poster (sorry I
forget who) for an action to take.  Instead of going back and forth debating
who may or may not be responsible, take some sort of action which holds someone
at least partially responsible. (If it's the wrong one, you just may get some
real help in redirecting  you.)  And maybe, just maybe, BN will put a bit more
effort into tracking the package instead of saying, "Oh, sorry. We sent it.
Better luck next time."  If nothing else, a bank's inquiry into the purchase
might influence BN to make a complaint to the PO which is likely to have a
somewhat greater impact than that of a "mere citizen".

The nuisance factor may even get the poster a new set of DVDs sent.

>>If you can prove that they did not turn the package over to the Postal
Service, then you can argue with them. However, if not, you decided to take a
riskier shipping method and you lost.
~~~~~~~~
On the flip side, BN will have to prove that they *did* turn over the package.
I did a quick scan of thier shipping policies page, there's nothing that
releases them from responsibility once the packages ships.  I didn't buy anything,
so something different may come up on the checkout page. If nothing does come up,
the burden of proof is  back on BN.

I guess, another of my points is to make this BN's problem not just yours.

Gaelin

In a message dated 11/3/2003 4:09:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nancykam@c....... writes:
 (I saw it on People's Court a couple of weeks ago.)

> Um, not a definitive legal source. <G>

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:44:11 -0600
From:    Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

on 11/3/03 4:00 PM, Automatic digest processor at LISTSERV@l.......
wrote:

> From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
> Subject: Re: who's to blame?
>
> B&N offers you shipping options. If you choose a shipping option that does not
> involve insurance, receipt confirmation, or tracking, it's your problem, not
> theirs. Their responsibility ends when they give your order to your chosen
> shipping agent.

No.  In America, if you agree to provide services to a second party and then
sub-contract those services from a third-party, that third-party is acting
as your agent and, thus, the party of the first part (you) is still bound by
the original obligation to the party of the second part (the customer).

A business owner can't defraud a customer by blaming a middle-man and then
keep a customer's money without providing products or services. That's
fraud.  (It's why Enron couldn't walk away scot-free by simply blaming
Arthur Andersen's accounting practices.)

Now, if a middle-man legitimately screwed-up, a _business_ may have
legitimate grievances in court with the middle-man but it does not absolve a
business from their obligations to their customers.

As for the "shipping options" argument, that's a grey area best handled in a
court of law. . . _unless_ the business explicitly disclaims responsibility
for uninsured shipments _and_ a customer agrees to it.

Working the Knight shift,
Roman

Disclaimer: Roman Gheesling is not an attorney-at-law and the above lay
statement should not be construed as legal advice from a trained and
licensed professional.  If you need legal advice, please consult a licensed
attorney-at-law.

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:42:58 -0800
From:    litbeing <litbeing@y......>
Subject: anarchy for FK

Michele and everyone else,
Hey, help FK sales by moving the FK dvds.  Put them next to Buffy, etc.   Just
because folks who stock shelves put them is a dark lonely location does not
mean that we have to leave them there.
Just doing my part for FK,
Barbara

Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......> wrote:
My local best buy, 1 week later, still has all 5 of its
copies of FK buried in a spot where no one will see them unless they are
looking for them. Instead of putting them next to Angel or Buffy DVD sets, Well
thats my opinion anyway.


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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:00:40 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: anarchy for FK

In a message dated 11/3/2003 6:43:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
litbeing@y...... writes:
Hey, help FK sales by moving the FK dvds.  Put them next to Buffy, etc.
Just because folks who stock shelves put them is a dark lonely location does
not mean that we have to leave them there.
Just doing my part for FK,

You know, I thought to mention this when I posted my original message,
because I did "face out" the DVD's and move them up to a shelf where they were
at eye level, (pesky "finding everything ok" guy was hovering.)

Mo

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:25:35 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: anarchy for FK

In a message dated 11/3/03 6:02:04 PM Central Standard Time, Mobody@a.......
writes:


> Put them next to Buffy, etc.
> Just because folks who stock shelves put them is a dark lonely location does
> not mean that we have to leave them there.
> Just doing my part for FK,
>

Please don't do anything that is going to put FK fans in a bad light. While
this may be fine in some stores, others have alphabetical filing. In others,
the items actually bid for display space from what I understand (that's why
some brands have better displays in stores than others).

But, like I said, in some stores it doesn't matter at all. It just depends.

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:00:24 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y......>
Subject: Re: FK DVD

FK is spreading!!!!

I just found 3 sets of FK in my local Walmart selling for $59.76.
And YES!, they were right next to Buffy and Angel.

=====
Desiree

www.knighties.50megs.com
www.suncoastbible.org


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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:07:42 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

Oh, *there's* a picture to hang over the front-room couch!  <G>

                   -Megan

Libratsie@a....... wrote:
We can debate until the sun rises and burns Screed's bare bum,

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:10:20 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: How actors talked with fangs was Re: FK Moment

<G!>  I noticed that while watching 'Cherry Blossoms' last night!  When Janette
says 'Ten seconds, he's dead.', the voice-over was really obvious, and kind of
funny.

                    -Megan

Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> wrote:
According to Nigel at several cons, the dialogue had to be looped when the
script required the vampires to talk with their fangs in. He described the way they
sounded on the original track as "Daffy Duck does a vampire!"

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:06:38 -0500
From:    T <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: A Message To The CaddyWhack site webmaster

> From: Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>

> Please check your Yahoo e-mail address. Your In-Box is full and messages sent
to that address are bouncing.

Yahoo is particularly spammy as of late, but I just have to say:

Tser, are you okay?

It seems to me she's located in California......

LapLor

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:12:51 -0500
From:    allison <smilewithviolets@n.......>
Subject: Link of the gods

Wow, i just stumbled across this and wanted to share.  Don't know if it's
common knowledge or not, but lots of good references for fic and general
good-to-know-in-a-debate info.

Enjoy.

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/wildbunch/241/fk/listmyth.txt

Allison
Unnamed Cousin
smilewithviolets@n.......
"Play with us forever in creepy
eternity. Here you are loved."

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:12:04 -0500
From:    Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: Who's to blame? The Calif Fires

Re the FK DVDs:

Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......> said:

>Mine still haven't arrived either, the tracking thing says o the way to local
>postoffice.

Many of us who pre-ordered the FK DVDs from Barnes & Noble and checked the
media-mail/ground rate are receiving our DVDs 1-2 weeks late. Why? If you live
west of the Rockies, B&N ships from Illinois to a BMC (Bulk Mail Center) in Los
Angeles. From L.A., packages are then trucked to their destinations all over the
western U.S. And those trucks were apparently grounded for the better part of 5
days while the Southern California wild fires (still not completely out, but
getting there -- our first rain in 180 days helped!) closed down *all* the major
freeways. Without the freeways, virtually nothing in Southern California moves.
I'm sure they're still scrambling to catch up with the backlog. My DVDs and
several other packages and magazines were all delayed by at least a week.

Soooooo, go to B&N's site and check your tracking number. If it says your DVDs
are "en route to local PO" and were last located at "BMC Los Angeles CA," then
your package is one of those delayed by the fires.

If it says your package was delivered to your home but you didn't receive it,
by all means notify B&N's Customer Service Dept. of that fact. They may well
have replacement options you can negotiate. After all, they want to keep you as
a customer, and a $24 item (assuming they'll honor the original amount) is a
small price to pay for that. At least it should be!

--JG

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:07:20 -0500
From:    Don Fasig <argent@c.......>
Subject: Looking for Paranormal Romances Authors

This message forwarded on behalf of Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:46:40 -0500
Subject: FW: Looking for Paranormal Romances Authors
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>

Hi, everyone.

If this email doesn't interest you, but you know of someone who might be
interested, please forward this message to them.  DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL
ON LIST!

I'm looking for author's of adult, paranormal romance to post in the Author
Gallery on my new site, Midnight Passions. I'm especially interested in
Forbidden Love, Mortal vs. Immortal, Vampire and Time Travel Romances (Please
no fan fiction, alien romances, or poetry).  There's a lot of talent out here
that hasn't been published. This is a chance to post your work without having a
website.  You may submit your work to me even if it's already posted to another
site. The more places that you post your work, the more readers and fans you'll
have.  I would love to see stories from writers who have never posted their
work.

This site will only feature paranormal romance at this time.  The site is
under construction and should be up and running soon. The site will feature my
fiction and Forever Knight Fan Fiction, but I would love to feature other
authors in the paranormal romance genre, especially vampire romances.

The website can be visited at:

http://homepage.mac.com/hymonb/MidnightPassions/

Not all submissions will be posted.  If you're not posted after we've
reviewed your work, it doesn't mean your writing wasn't good, it means that
your story wasn't what we were looking for. The site will feature short and long
stories. Explicit sex scenes are permissible, but they must be related to the
romance. No child pornography or abuse will be considered.

To submit, please follow these simple rules.

1)  Email me privately at debh@e....... a short synopsis of your story

2)  If the synopsis is approved (if it's not, you will also be notified), you
will be asked to email me your first three chapters in an email attachment.  If
your work is a short story, you'll be asked to submit the entire story as an
email attachment.

3)  After reviewing your chapters, you will be notified if we wish to
receive the complete story.

4) After reviewing the entire story, you will be notified if you are to be
posted.

5)  Once notified of acceptance, you will need to email a release letter
stating that you are allowing us to post your work to the site.  The story
will be posted within two weeks of receiving the author's release letter.
Stories may be removed by author's request, and will be removed within ten
days.

I'm not looking for writers with English majors, but the grammar needs to be
reasonable. If you have any other questions, please feel free to privately
email me at debh@e........

I'm anxious to hear from all of you talented authors!!!

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL ON THIS LIST!!!

Thank you,
Deborah A. Hymon
debh@e.......
http://homepage.mac.com/hymonb/ForeverKnight/



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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:24:26 -0800
From:    J L Kerr <jlkerr1228@c.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaelin Wade" <GaelinWade@a.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FORKNI-L] who's to blame?


> B&N is ultimately responsible for you're not getting the package. If they
> want to fight with the postal service, let them. But until you receive the
> package and they can prove you received the package, the sender is
> responsible for it. (I saw it on People's Court a couple of weeks ago.)
>

I am a Distribution Manager (not an attorney) and deal with this sort of
thing all the time. Simply stating you're not responsible for lost or
damaged packages does not absolve the shipper of liability. I know it's a
prevalent practice, especially on eBay and such to say you're not
responsible for what happens to the item once you ship it... but if it gets
lost in-transit (assuming it was ever really shipped in the first place),
the shipper is the only one who can make a lost claim (unless it was shipped
collect). I've had at least 2 different items I purchased from eBay never
make it to my door and the shipper has had to either replace or refund the
item both times. And a company like B&N has a department that handles these
types of claims and I would be very surprised if replacement was an issue.

J L Kerr
My fiction page:  http://members.aol.com/jlkerr1228/index.html

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:29:10 EST
From:    Sierra Mayberry <BlueFaeryMagick@a.......>
Subject: Re: DVDs - Denied!

I don't see how anyone can stand to have packages just left on the doorstep
or where ever they feel like leaving them.  I have a P.O. box...and i suggest
to anyone who has problems with their mail to just get one.  They don't cost
that much, and you always get your mail.

~Sierra

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:07:54 EST
From:    "Lynn L. Sowinski" <Lls761@a.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

That is an EXCELLENT point!  Have you contact B & N and told them what
happened and asked if they are willing to do something about it?

Lynn

"If dogs don't go to Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went."

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:18:47 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

In a message dated 11/3/03 9:26:55 PM Central Standard Time,
jlkerr1228@c....... writes:


> I've had at least 2 different items I purchased from eBay never
> make it to my door and the shipper has had to either replace or refund the
> item both times.

If that is the case, then I've sold my last item on eBay at least without
REQUIRING the buyer to purchase insurance which will mean definitely NO
international sells.
I haven't had an item go missing off eBay, but have had off other auctions,
and either offer the person a choice of other items (because I'm just selling
my personal belongings) or "credit" on a future auction because I can't afford
to refund money.
I know a lot of eBayers, both buyers and sellers, and although I've heard of
items going missing, if the seller has the receipt showing he mailed the item
and the buyer didn't buy insurance, then that is that. I've never heard of
anyone being forced to refund money for lost mail UNLESS the buyer can't prove
he mailed it. Luckily, lost mail seems to actually be somewhat rare. I know
none of the FK items I've sold have even temporarily strayed, just needlework
thingees.

However, when you are dealing with a large business like B&N, I would
definitely contact their customer service department... Especially if you can
truthfully call yourself a frequent customer. They will want to keep your
business in the future.

But as for me in this situation, I'd probably still be down at the post
office screaming at the branch manager. <g> We're talking FK DVDs here, after
all!!!!

i still want to know if LaCroix would eBay....<g>

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:44:16 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

In a message dated 11/3/2003 11:20:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Libratsie@a....... writes:
i still want to know if LaCroix would eBay....<g>
Well we know he likes to hang out in chat rooms, could eBay be far behind??
;-)

Mo

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:59:10 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

> In a message dated 11/3/2003 11:20:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Libratsie@a....... writes:
> i still want to know if LaCroix would eBay....<g>

I think he's a power seller! Just think of the warehouses of antique
knicknacks he has to unload. And somehow I don't think he'd be cheated
very often. Not more than once by any one buyer, at least. <g>

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:42:47 -0500
From:    mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: How actors talked with fangs was Re: FK Moment

McLisa wrote:
> According to Nigel ... they sounded on the original track [like] "Daffy
> Duck does a vampire!"

Sue Clark wrote a wonderfully funny fanfic series based on Nick having
trouble speaking around his fangs.
You'll find them on www.fkfanfic.com. (Look under C for Clark on the
Author's index and you'll see them all grouped together.

Mary
N&Npacker

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:19:20 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

Nancy said:
> I think he's a power seller! Just think of the
> warehouses of antique
> knicknacks he has to unload. And somehow I don't
> think he'd be cheated
> very often. Not more than once by any one buyer, at
> least. <g>

Yeah, he must be.  I mean, after 2000 years, I bet his
junk would be treasures for us.  A necklace from
ancient egypt!  A rare bust of Caligulia!  Sixteenth
century furniture! <veg> So he becomes a power seller
at the world's largest yard sale... after all, he must
know what they're worth.

Laura (who's suddenly wondering if she's unknowingly
done business with LaCroix... and wants to know which
one is him so she can introduce him to her Roman Art
and Architecture professor to see how long it takes
before LaCroix drains the annoying little man for her!
;) )

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:51 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: DVDs - Denied!

To think that I complained when the Supermailboxes were introduced here
in Canada--I *do* have to go to the end of the street to pick up my
mail, but it makes handling parcels safe and easy!

http://www.rjsid.on.ca/idpro03.html

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:21:44 EST
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......>
Subject: Re: Who's to blame? The Calif Fires

> >then your package is one of those delayed by the fires.

ahhhh, good information.  THEY CAME TODAY!!!!!.  They were left at the gate
but I'd put a special bag out for them to be hung from the fence. Plastic so
the rain didnt get to them.  Yes B&N did honor the lower price.

Jeannie

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:29:57 -0500
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

At 07:19 AM 11/3/2003 -0800, Bast wrote:
> I just make my own, these are not the same quality as the link provided by
>Cloud or listed above. They use dental polymer acrylic I believe, I just
>use simple fake acrylic nails and a dremel)
>
A dremel?  Okay, I just gotta ask: How do you make fangs out of acrylic
nails and a dremel?

To try to make this ontopic -- I doubt Nick would do it, but does anyone
think Vachon or Screed maybe, would make fake fangs for their mortal
friends.  To let them see how the other half ... umm ... lisps????

Arletta

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:09:18 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

>i still want to know if LaCroix would eBay....

I think he'd get a twisted sort of kick out of bidding on hot geek-cult items
(star trek, star wars, etc) just to see how far he could drive up the price and
still have someone obsessive enough that they'd willing to outbid him.

            -Megan (meaning no disrespect to geek-cultists-- I have an original
star wars lunchbox that's probably worth more than I care to think about.)


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:22:33 -0600
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: Power seller

> A necklace from ancient egypt!  A rare bust of Caligulia!
> Sixteenth century furniture!  So he becomes a power seller

he would have to have them appraised
but that's easy - they're all completly authentic

I would think with stuff like that
He could auction it off to the higher-ups  (rich people)
that would pay millions for them

(not too meny people spend 1 million on Ebay)

But with artifacts that old I hope LC would
be nice enough to donate some of his stuff to a museum somewhere
where it can bee seen by a lot of people rather then
collecting dust in some old man's basement

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Date:    Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:30:47 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

-
>             -Megan (meaning no disrespect to
> geek-cultists-- I have an original star wars
> lunchbox that's probably worth more than I care to
> think about.)

Ah, but if you collect *anything* that has to do with
Tv memorbilia, you can be considered a geek-cultist.
<eg> Got a FK collection?

Laura (who doesn't have a FK collection yet, but has a
still-growing extensive collection of Lois and Clark stuff)


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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:33:05 -0800
From:    Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

Libs, it's not IF he would eBay... it's more like WHAT would he eBay? LOL (I'm
almost scared to think about that...)

oh dear.... I just got an idea for a fanfic... did I mention I SUCK at
writing???? I start stuff and it never gets finished.... I quite bad at it. *sigh*
Well, I guess I will give it a shot, if I can't get it done I'll toss the idea out
to anyone else who might want to try it)

JadeBast



i still want to know if LaCroix would eBay....

Libs

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:27:00 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

> >i still want to know if LaCroix would eBay....

Like I said before, I"m sure he does. His other hobby is marking up archaeology
texts pointing out the errors, and writing to the authors to argue with them
and blow holes in their theories.

Of course, it's not like he can cite any experts to back up his "opinions." He
certainly can't tell someone, "Hey, I owned one of those back in 66 AD, you've
got it all wrong." <g>

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:35:38 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

DLPH wrote:

> I would think with stuff like that
> He could auction it off to the higher-ups  (rich people)
> that would pay millions for them

I don't think he'd be selling the truly valuable stuff on ebay. You find lots
of Roman coins, bronze rings, etc. on ebay, though, that sell for less than
$100. He could clean up in that department!

Let's not forget the plaster reproductions of a certain bust, too---now there's
immortality! Hundreds of copies of his bust, sitting on mantelpieces and
bookshelves around the world! <g>

> But with artifacts that old I hope LC would
> be nice enough to donate some of his stuff to a museum somewhere
> where it can bee seen by a lot of people rather then
> collecting dust in some old man's basement

That's somewhat more altruistic than I'd expect of Lacroix. I'd think he's more
tuned into the antiquities black market than most people, just because that's
where the money is.

Besides, he has no provenance for his artifacts. The fact that he might have
owned something for the last 2000 years certainly can't be used as proof of
authenticity, and if the item doesn't have a paperwork trail going back several
hundred years or to when it was "discovered," the item has much less value on the
legitimate, museum market. Museums are quite sensitive about the legitimacy of
their collection, and will go to great lengths to make sure an item is not
stolen or fake. Provenance is very important.

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:11:49 -0600
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: FK collection

> Ah, but if you collect *anything* that has to do with
> Tv memorbilia, you can be considered a geek-cultist.
>  Got a FK collection?


I'd love to have a Nick or LC action figure
but that's probally won't happen anytime soon

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:13:30 -0800
From:    Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: fangs, how to, who would was: FK Moment

Just remember you did ask.. :-)

Actually, I could see Vachon doing it for some extra bucks in a goth club or
around Halloween. Ok the easiest way to describe this is:

1)Take a fake plastic nail that is the same width as your tooth or SLIGHTLY
wider (Not sport length even if that is the size you want it to be finished I
think they are regular size, the dragon lady size is too big.)

2) using the the acrylic powder and activator fill the BACK of the fake nail
(the part that gets glued to your nail) fill it up the entire length of the nail
and about a 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch thick, the acrylic should be a thick ball of
goop at the end of the brush, you don't want the acrylic to be runny.

3) Wait for the "shine" to leave the acrylic, about one minute no more or it
will set too far and you will have to do it over again! Once it's dull looking,
(you can wear latex or rubber gloves for this part) stick it on the tooth you
want the fang to be on. Try to get the tooth as close to the plastic part as
possible, the thicker it is in the front the more obvious it is. MAKE SURE YOU
DON"T WIGGLE IT! Or you will have to use poligrip or the like! Don't apply too much
pressure on the back of the tooth or it will smush all the acrylic away from
the tooth and you could snap off the back.

4) Wait about 3 minutes for the acrylic to cure.

5) GENTLY rock the tooth back and forth to losen it. The crack you hear is NOT
YOUR TOOTH! It's the acrylic releasing. You might need to hook a nail over the
top part of the front of the tooth and push straight down.

6) After the tooth has been released, you will most likely have to peel it off
the glove or your finger. You want to do this gently and DON'T use nail polish
remover. Once the tooth has been removed from whatever it was sticking to,
apply another thick layer of acrylic to the back part, makeing sure you don't get
any in the tooth impression area.

7) wait another three minutes. And put on safety glasses, you're going to need
them

8) attack the misshapen lump of acrylic with the tooth impression with a dremel
and carefully remove all the extra stuff that smushed out from the sides and
stuff. Since you used the longer nails, if the plastic part was pushed a little
to high you can fix it now. You can make them any size or shape you want to now.
Keep putting them on to make sure they are even in length and width and if you
have curved them that those are even too.

9) take a regular emery board and file down the points so you don't slice
yourself up while getting used to your new fangs.

The total process (with some practice) can take about 45 minutes for a set.

Come to think of it... when I was doing these at the goth club near where I
lived, I ended up doing all the guys and my friend (ex-boyfriend) who taught me
got all the girls,  maybe Vachon would do them. Think of all the girls he could
get. I don't know if Screed would want to put in that much work, when he could
scrounge stuff for a swap meet or something.  Nat might on a dare or something.
hmmm not sure if any of the others would do them even as a joke. *OH OUCH! I
didn't need the visual of LaCroix... I REALLY don't think so. *

Bast


Orignial post:
A dremel? Okay, I just gotta ask: How do you make fangs out of acrylic
nails and a dremel?

To try to make this ontopic -- I doubt Nick would do it, but does anyone
think Vachon or Screed maybe, would make fake fangs for their mortal
friends. To let them see how the other half ... umm ... lisps????

Arletta

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:34:02 -0800
From:    Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

Yeah but if they can get whole lives created when it's time to move on, what's
a few pieces of paper? I'm sure that (oh dear... I knew my job was gonna kill
my brain someday) I'm completely spacing on the name, Aristotle? has a few
pieces of random paperwork that could be converted to letters of provinance  (or
whatever they are called)

Somehow I could see him selling the good stuff at Sotherby's or some other very
high end auction house instead of eBay. I CAN see him selling all the worthless
stuff from the ages (you know, the stuff that get tossed in a box when you are
moving and you don't find it for YEARS)  and as someone already said, having a
HUGE garage/tag/yard sale with it on eBay and laughing at all the stupid
mortals buy his worthless junk!

Bast

Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......> wrote:


Besides, he has no provenance for his artifacts. The fact that he might have
owned something for the last 2000 years certainly can't be used as proof of
authenticity, and if the item doesn't have a paperwork trail going back several
hundred years or to when it was "discovered," the item has much less value on the
legitimate, museum market. Museums are quite sensitive about the legitimacy of
their collection, and will go to great lengths to make sure an item is not
stolen or fake. Provenance is very important.

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:04:46 -0500
From:    mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: FK collection

DLPH wrote
> I'd love to have a Nick or LC action figure
> but that's probally won't happen anytime soon

Over the years, Barb Erickson of the Nick and Natpack has created several
wonderful iterations of Nick and Nat and other FK characters using dolls
from the Barbie line, complete with appropriate gear and accessories. The
dolls and clothes are a much-anticipated item in the N&Npack's annual
charity auction for Sick Kids.
http://members.rogers.com/24-fan/AuctionItems.html

Mary
N&Npack

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:33:23 -0800
From:    chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y......>
Subject: timing and delivery

heyheyhey!!  I bet I know what happened!  it was the
sunspots!  I don't know how; maybe they caused the
entire package to spontaneously combust.  it's kinda
like el nino; every problem is somehow traceable to
things like this.  <g>

somehow, IMHO, LC doesn't seem to me the type that
would keep knic-knacs.  he'd just leave them all when
he moved on.  I don't think he would care what or if
mortals would buy on ebay.  and I really don't think
you'd find him editing textbooks.  I'd probably do
that; I can be very careful about details, esp. other
people's details. bad habit, I know. <sg> I LC read
them at all, he'd probably chuckle, and throw it away.

as for talking with fangs, I wonder how the
hyupothetical "real" vampires would do it!  from what
I'm hearing you guys say, human mouths or even
formerly-human mouths weren't meant to have fangs.
Probably that helps conceal their existence.  Hard to
believe someone is a blood drinker, even if they have
fangs, if they have a lisp <wg>

chris ;?

=====
I'm not a fatalist, but even if I
were, what could I do about it?
    ~Emo Phillips


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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:45:49 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

Nancy said:

> Of course, it's not like he can cite any experts to
> back up his "opinions." He certainly can't tell
> someone, "Hey, I owned one of those back in 66 AD,
> you've got it all wrong." <g>

ROTFL.  Hey, I bet there's a vampire *somewhere* who's
set himself up as an appraiser or an "expert" so that
other vampires can get rid of stuff from former lives.
 <veg> As long as said unknown vampire got a cut of
the profits, of course!  ;) Hey... thee's an idea for
a fic...

Laura


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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:51:14 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

In a message dated 11/4/03 12:46:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brightfeather1.geo@y...... writes:

> ROTFL.  Hey, I bet there's a vampire *somewhere* who's
> set himself up as an appraiser or an "expert" so that
> other vampires can get rid of stuff from former lives

Probably Aristotle's second cousin Odious.

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:51:20 -0800
From:    Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: timing and delivery

SHEESH I'm pretty talkative today! OK so responding to emails is helping me to
slack off at work... hey everyone has days like this!

I don't have a very noticable lisp when I wear my fangs anymore. If you put them
in a sing to the radio and keep singing to the radio (Yes you will look like
and sound like a fool while you are doing it, so do it correctly, with the  air
guitar and the cheezy 80's "rock god" big hair band moves!) After awhile you
learn to speak without the lisp.

When my permanant teeth came in as a kid I had "fangs" my canines were about a
1/2 inch longer than the rest of my teeth, (it made my costume for Halloween
very easy most years) I never spoke with a lisp then either (This could also be
why I don't speak with a lisp with fangs now) I chipped one and the dentist cut
them off. So I had to learn to make my own. :-\

Bast
really going to shut up and go back to lurking now... really.

chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y......> wrote:
as for talking with fangs, I wonder how the
hyupothetical "real" vampires would do it! from what
I'm hearing you guys say, human mouths or even
formerly-human mouths weren't meant to have fangs.
Probably that helps conceal their existence. Hard to
believe someone is a blood drinker, even if they have
fangs, if they have a lisp

chris ;?

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