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FORKNI-L Digest - 2 Nov 2003 to 3 Nov 2003 (#2003-20)
Mon, 3 Nov 2003
There are 22 messages totalling 591 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Admin: Forkni-l Rules
2. DVDs - Denied! (2)
3. Announcing the winner of the Crusader Fic contest :) (3)
4. Crusader page (2)
5. CBS at 75 (2)
6. Cadillac History web site (2)
7. How actors talked with fangs was Re: FK Moment
8. FK Moment (2)
9. Hello.
10. who's to blame? (5)
11. A Message To The CaddyWhack site webmaster
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:05:32 -0500
From: mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Forkni-l Rules
Better late than never, I'm finally posting the rules. Anyone who's asked me
a question in the last 48 hours and not gotten an answer, I'm sorry. I'm way
behind on my mail, but I will get everything taken care of eventually.
McL
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>> FORKNI-L RULES
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>> 1. No flames on list. FLAMERS MAY BE SET NOPOST. THE NOPOST MAY BE
>> PERMANENT.
>>
>> 2. Please don't quote more than four lines of a previous post in replying.
>> If you have more than one point to answer, then you may quote the relevant
>> four lines for that point also.
>>
>> 3. Limit sigs to 6 lines. Your sig starts with the first thing you write
>> after the text. It includes all the lines under that, even blank lines. If
>> you have one of those providers that insists on putting an ad after that,
>> don't worry. The ad doesn't count.
>>
>> 4. Please don't send to the whole list when you are only talking to the
>> person who wrote the post you are answering.
>>
>> 5. Advertising on list is on a case by case basis. Please consult the
>> listowners, Lisa McDavid, mclisa@m....... or Don Fasig,
>> Argent@c....... for permission.
>>
>> 6. This list is for the discussion of Forever Knight and related topics.
>> FK cast and behind the camera people are ok, except that we don't discuss
>> private lives. Announcments by authorized spokespersons about events in
>> those lives are ok. List members' fannish activities are ok, as are sharing
>> personal events in our lives. Non-FK vampires or vampires in general or not
>> ok. PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT PROJECTS WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN OFFCIALLY ANNOUNCED
>> OR WRITTEN ABOUT IN THE MEDIA.
>>
>> 7. No off-topic posts are without permission from a listowner. This
>> includes virus warnings.
>>
>> 8.. No role-playing on Forkni-l. This includes character names as
>> pseudonyms or posing as a character.
>>
>> 9. Each subscriber is limited to five posts per day on Forkni-l.
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>> McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
>> "That will be trouble".
>> Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:58:20 -0600
From: Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>
Subject: Re: DVDs - Denied!
on 11/2/03 4:00 PM, Automatic digest processor at LISTSERV@l.......
wrote:
> Sorry, that's not true. I sell on auction and unless the buyer asks for and
> pays for insurance, the seller is NOT responsible - especially if it WAS
> delivered. Her best bet is to continue to complain to the post office that the
> box was left in an unsafe area.
>
> Hopefully, someone might have one they are willing to part with at the
> "special intro rate."
>
> I still haven't had a chance to watch all the episodes yet, but I sure am
> enjoying the DVDs. Wow. It is kind of hard to believe that after all these
> years, FK is finally out in a professional format!
>
> Libs
In America at least, a mail-order seller _who can not prove delivery_ to a
customer _IS_ responsible for getting merchandise to his or her customer
regardless of the shipping circumstances. Otherwise it is mail fraud.
In order for a seller to shed the responsibility of shipping, he or she must
explicitly _disclaim_ responsibility for lost shipments and the buyer must
agree to it in some manner. Otherwise, the seller _IS_ responsible for
getting merchandise sent to his or her customer and proving that delivery
was made to the recipient.
Working the Knight shift,
Roman
Disclaimer: Roman Gheesling is not an attorney-at-law and the above lay
statement should not be construed as legal advice from a trained and
licensed professional. If you need legal advice, please consult a licensed
attorney-at-law.
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:42:41 EST
From: SField8067@a.......
Subject: Announcing the winner of the Crusader Fic contest :)
Posted with Lisa's permission :)
The winner of the fanfic contest is "All Hallows Challenge" by Kristen Fife.
Congrats Kristin.and thanks to all that participated.Every story we received
is worthy of praise and we hope that you all will stop by and read them if you
already haven't.
all our very best to everyone for making this contest so much fun.
Well done Kristin!!
HUGS,
The Crusader Crew
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:01:06 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Crusader page
Hi-
I thought I had bookmarked it, but I guess not. What is the addy for
the Crusader?
Thanks!
-Amanda
=====
"Give me your soul and your heart will take flight
Forevermore in the night, Forever MINE in the night"
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
http://debrabantfoundation.tripod.com/home.html
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:02:14 -0500
From: Katherine DeVries <banshee1@t.......>
Subject: Re: Announcing the winner of the Crusader Fic contest :)
Where do we find them?
as always,
Kat
----- Original Message -----
From: <SField8067@a.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: Announcing the winner of the Crusader Fic contest :)
> Posted with Lisa's permission :)
>
> The winner of the fanfic contest is "All Hallows Challenge" by Kristen Fife.
> Congrats Kristin.and thanks to all that participated.Every story we received
> is worthy of praise and we hope that you all will stop by and read them if you
> already haven't.
> all our very best to everyone for making this contest so much fun.
> Well done Kristin!!
> HUGS,
> The Crusader Crew
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:39:00 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Crusader page
> Amanda Berendt wrote:
> I thought I had bookmarked it, but I guess not. What is the addy for
> the Crusader?
> Thanks!
The Crusader newsletter is located at www.nancykam.com/crusader
Nancy Kaminski
Crusader webmaster
nancykam@c.......
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:40:28 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Announcing the winner of the Crusader Fic contest :)
> Katherine DeVries wrote:
> Where do we find them?
The Crusader fiction Halloween Challenge story entries can be found at
http://www.nancykam.com/crusader/halloweenfic.htm
Nancy Kaminski
Crusader webmaster
nancykam@c.......
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:03:52 -0600
From: Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>
Subject: CBS at 75
Well, I just watched the CBS at 75 special; They had two opportunities to
showcase FK (Crimefighters and Sci-Fi) but didn't avail themselves. I knew
the chance was slim to none that FK would show up, but I was hoping. . . .
Of course, I guess, by CBS standards, FK was a failed program considering
they only had it for a season. I guess it was better to focus on "Wild,
Wild, West," "Lost In Space," and the classic "The Twilight Zone."
Working The Knight Shift,
Roman
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:14:45 EST
From: "Lynn L. Sowinski" <Lls761@a.......>
Subject: Re: DVDs - Denied!
I would STILL contact the Complaints/Victim Services Department of your
county State's Attorney/District Attorney. It's free and it certainly can't
hurt.
Lynn
"If dogs don't go to Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went."
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:21:55 EST
From: Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: CBS at 75
In a message dated 11/2/2003 11:08:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
moonmage@s....... writes:
>Of course, I guess, by CBS standards, FK was a failed program considering
>they only had it for a season. I guess it was better to focus on "Wild, Wild,
>West," "Lost In Space," and the classic "The Twilight Zone."
>I too thought they might make mention of the show, since it is freshly out on
>DVD, but was disappointed. Its a shame that in a generation where SF is
>finally accepted as mainstream, that the these few shows, all from the 50's and
>60's is the best CBS thinks they have to offer.
I am also disappointed in general with the way the FK DVD's have (or haven't)
been marketed. Sure it was cool they got Sci Fi to do the marathon and
advertise during it, but for the most part FK fans are going to buy or not buy
based on financial reasons, are it would have made more sense to me to see them
advertise during reruns of Buffy on FX or Angel on TNT, to generate new
interest in the series. My local best buy, 1 week later, still has all 5 of its
copies of FK buried in a spot where no one will see them unless they are looking
for them. Instead of putting them next to Angel or Buffy DVD sets, Well
thats my opinion anyway.
Mo
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:28:43 -0600
From: Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>
Subject: Cadillac History web site
Was doing a little research into Cadillacs so as to be prepared when I find
that model kit I want to customize to look like Nick's Caddy. I found this
site on the history of Cadillacs:
http://100megsfree4.com/cadillac/
The 1961 model year seems to have the least information. Of course, there
were less than 150,000 Caddys produced in 1961. . . and to think FK had 3 of
them.
Working The Knight Shift,
Roman
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:47:26 EST
From: Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: Cadillac History web site
In a message dated 11/3/2003 12:31:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
moonmage@s....... writes:
>The 1961 model year seems to have the least information. Of course, there
>were less than 150,000 Caddys produced in 1961. . . and to think FK had 3 of
>them.
You realize that, of the 150,000, only about 10 percent of them were
convertibles.
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:56:13 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: How actors talked with fangs was Re: FK Moment
Megan wrote:
>Next year, I'm going to spring for a pair of professional fitted caps. I
>imagine that's what the actors had, since they managed to talk without lisping!
According to Nigel at several cons, the dialogue had to be looped when the
script required the vampires to talk with their fangs in. He described the way they
sounded on the original track as "Daffy Duck does a vampire!"
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:06:21 -0800
From: Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment
Actually, when I first got mine (They are custom acrylic) I was told to sing to
the radio in the car till you sound ok. (In the car no one can hear you
lisp....) Also if they are acrylic or some other type of hardish material, you
can take a nail file to the points and make them a bit blunt so you don't hurt
yourself. (I poked my tongue and scraped up my bottom lip for a while till I got
used to them. I know too little too late, sorry if I had known I would have told
ya.)
Bast
phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y......> wrote:
After spending over 4 hours in fangs last night (with permission from my
children ;}= ) I sympathize with Ger, Nigel and Deborah. It is very tuff to talk
with them in ( I have caps) let alone they keep grazing your bottom lip.
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:19:15 -0800
From: Vikki Farra <bast1531@s.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment
www.midianonline.com has a huge selection of custom fangs too. Just a thought.
I'm not sure if they are still updating the website though. They do everything
from lestat to lost boys to FK fangs. (I think they still do FK fangs...)
Also, all fang will keep you from closing your mouth all the way, especially if
they are done correctly, the back has to be thicker than the front since there
is a lot of stress on the backs where your lower teeth touch them. I've snapped
the backs off of fangs just by talking! I was trying to get the backs as thin
as possible, I got them pretty thin but then had them snap while simplely
talking or even just by putting them on or taking them off. The back will always
be the weakest point on the fangs. It is the only place I've ever snapped mine
(Course it's pretty easy for me to get replacements, I just make my own, these
are not the same quality as the link provided by Cloud or listed above. They use
dental polymer acrylic I believe, I just use simple fake acrylic nails and a
dremel)
Just my long winded $0.02
Bast
Cloud <clouddancer@c.......> wrote:
This place has a good selection. They even match the shade of your own
teeth.
http://teethbyDnash.com/customfangs/customfangs.html
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:27:11 -0800
From: Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y......>
Subject: Hello.
Hello friends. I was down all weekend. You never realize what's important
till it's gone. This place and the people within it, are very important to me, my
friends and my place to hang and talk. I'm glad I'm back. Stay safe.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight12281992@y......
He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:06:28 -0800
From: chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y......>
Subject: who's to blame?
I'm totally sympathetic to the sistuation and I think
it's massively unjust. I would want to scream! but
(not to turn this into a discussion of ethics) one
could argue that the distributor sent it, the
deliverer delivered it, and therefore can't be held
responsible. though i concede that both did these
sloppily, the one ultimately responsible is the jerk
that stole it, but what can you do?
Just a thought. IMHO.
sympathetically,
chris ;?
--- "Lynn L. Sowinski" <Lls761@a.......> wrote:
> I must admit I don't know that much about postal
> regulations, but if someone
> mailed something to you and you didn't get it, it
> would seem to me either the
> PO or the sender should be responsible. You had
> nothing to do with it.
=====
I'm not a fatalist, but even if I
were, what could I do about it?
~Emo Phillips
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:51:24 -0500
From: Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?
Mine still haven't arrived either, the tracking thing says o the way to local
postoffice. I am afraid someone will walk off with mine too. Sometimes the guy
leaves huge packages propped up next to the box instead of leaveing a package
notice. Maybe today........(she says with a sad frown).....
Jeannie
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:26:55 -0500
From: Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?
You can dispute the charge to your credit card company.
B&N sent it. But you didn't receive it, and unless I missed something, B&N has
no proof that you did. You paid for something, you didn't receive, so you
shouldn't have to pay for it. If they don't want to send a new set of DVDs, this
time with signature confirmation or something, reject the charge with your bank.
B&N is ultimately responsible for you're not getting the package. If they want
to fight with the postal service, let them. But until you receive the package
and they can prove you received the package, the sender is responsible for it.
(I saw it on People's Court a couple of weeks ago.)
Gaelin
mb_the_spy@y...... writes:
>but what can you do?
> --- "Lynn L. Sowinski" <Lls761@a.......> wrote:
I must admit I don't know that much about postal regulations, but if someone
mailed something to you and you didn't get it, it would seem to me either the PO
or the sender should be responsible. You had nothing to do with it.
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:43:39 -0500
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: who's to blame?
In a message dated 11/3/2003 3:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
GaelinWade@a....... writes:
> (I saw it on People's Court a couple of weeks ago.)
Do did I...
The difference was that the seller did NOT have proof that he mailed the
concert tickets. As an eBay seller, and B&N as a business, no doubt keeps their post
office receipt that proves mailing. The seller on People's Court had NO receipt
or anything like that.
Although I doubt B&N lists, "not responsible for items once it has left our
hands," I most certainly do in my eBay auctions... "I am NOT responsible once I
mail the item" is clearly listed.
However, this really is an issue for an attorney (if we have any on the list)
to address. We can debate until the sun rises and burns Screed's bare bum, but
I'm sure this is an issue which has been addressed in court before, and it could
even vary from state to state. <g>
To me, it'd make more sense that the post office is responsible as the carrier
is the one who left the item in an unsecured location... Ooooo... could you
imagine this being something LaCroix ordered.
Hmmm.... LaCroix was on-line, I wonder if he'd be eBaying? I'm sure he might be
amused as to what people will buy and as to what they will pay for it. I don't
think the money would matter so much to him as the amusement factor.
As for Screed, no doubt he WOULD eBay if he can read well enough to do it.
<wRPg>
Libs
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:50:43 -0600
From: Roman Gheesling <moonmage@s.......>
Subject: A Message To The CaddyWhack site webmaster
Attention Andrea "Cousin Tserisa" Supalla:
Please check your Yahoo e-mail address. Your In-Box is full and messages
sent to that address are bouncing.
Also, the large version of the "vampview.jpg" on the NickKnack CaddyWhack
site is missing. The thumbnail page is OK, but the larger version of that
pic is missing.
Apologies to everyone on FORKNI-L for this interruption.
Working The Knight Shift,
Roman
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:09:27 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?
GAelin Wade wrote:
> B&N sent it. But you didn't receive it, and unless I missed something, B&N has
> no proof that you did. You paid for something, you didn't receive, so you
> shouldn't have to pay for it.
B&N offers you shipping options. If you choose a shipping option that does not
involve insurance, receipt confirmation, or tracking, it's your problem, not
theirs. Their responsibility ends when they give your order to your chosen
shipping agent.
If you can prove that they did not turn the package over to the Postal Service,
then you can argue with them. However, if not, you decided to take a riskier
shipping method and you lost.
TODAY'S TIP: If you have this option, do what I do---have packages shipped to
your workplace. That way you can be sure it's not left outside, and it'll be
placed in your mailslot or other designated place. All my stuff from amazon.com
and from ebay is shipped to my company, with no problems at all.
This was especially important when I shipped a pot of cactuses home during a
visit to Tucson in February. I didn't want those poor things shivering on my
frozen, subzero doorstep! <g>
> (I saw it on People's Court a couple of weeks ago.)
Um, not a definitive legal source. <G>
Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com
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