FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Feb 2002 to 26 Feb 2002 (#2002-60)

Tue, 26 Feb 2002

There are 14 messages totalling 386 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. last call!
  2. Series Intent
  3. YKYBWTMFK......
  4. CD in 3rd season, Killing Tracy, etc
  5. OtL
  6. For old time's sake
  7. FK Alumni Sighting
  8. Nick and Nat in hell ! (was: CD in 3rd season, Killing Tracy, etc)
  9. (Fwd) Re: Series Intent
 10. FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Feb 2002 (#2002-59) (2)
 11. Looking for Amanda Berendt,              and - Is anyone interested in a
     Shrewthering-type "mass              get-together" for My Fair Lady?
 12. "Just Watch Me"  Colm Feore and GWD (2)

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:04:17 +1300
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: last call!

With McLisa's permission:


Hi all,
Sorry to inturupt, but anyone who would like some hats, Tshirts, etc, please
have your 'order' in by wednesday next week.

I still have 4 jackets left.
This is the last chance, and i may not be able to offer  to get them again!

cheers all!
Kylie
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven

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Date:    Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:08:09 +0800
From:    Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: Series Intent

Hi everybody,

I swore to myself I wouldn't jump in anymore. But here I am anyway.

Molly wrote:
>I dislike--nay, I detest!--LK primarily because the series was one of hope:
>Nick had difficulties and setbacks, but he struggled on and learned
>something about humanity in the process.  LaCroix' repeatedly warned Nick
>that he was heading for destruction--and LK simply proved that LaCroix was
>right.

I'm with Molly on this one. I felt Nick's request to die at the end of LK
was a serious cop-out, not truly finding faith. Last time I looked,
committing suicide (even if you had someone else bloody their hands) was a
still big NO with a lot of religions. <Not wanting to start a religious
debate or flame war here. Just trying to point out the facts. Honest! ;-) >

GWD wanting to have CD show some movement at the end of LK would have been
better. A cliffhanger where Nat survived as a hunter (ala VS4) would have
been interesting. Think of all the angel/devil on the shoulder conflicts
that would arise once she understood the craving for blood, the sensitivity
to light etc.

Ell

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:43:13 EST
From:    KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFK......

> Besides, we all know Screed
> has *much* better taste than that. ;-)
>
Maybe he should move to Phoenix... yesterday's newspaper had a feature on an
infestation of rats in some very *nice* areas of Phoenix/ Scottsdale. Made me
think that Screed need to take a detour on his way to Vegas for a little
gourmet snacking!

karen

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:08:17 -0800
From:    Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: CD in 3rd season, Killing Tracy, etc

--- Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......> wrote:

> I personally can't imagine a fourth season with Nick and Nat
> both in heaven.
>

would you rather have one with both of them in Hell? <EG>

=====
Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:36:39 EST
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: OtL

I like OtL, in part because the "fog of war" is reflected in Nick's actions
and reactions.

Before he was a vampire, Nick was a warrior. I think when he bites the
presumed traitor, he's a warrior carried away by the justice of his cause,
and using whatever means are at hand (er, tooth).

The fact that these means are ... pointless (as it were) to detect the truth
is not, IMO, a sign of backsliding by Nick, but of the desperation of a
"good" Nick to do "the right thing" before thinking the situation through.

The other thing I like about it is the indication we are given that whatever
sensations and emotions a vampire picks up from his bitee's blood is not
specific enough to be used in a court of law. The woman was lying to
*somebody,* but her blood can't tell Nick whether she was betraying the
Resistance or the Nazis. I think that's cool <shrug>. (It also explains why
Det. Knight isn't often tempted to determine guilt or innocence by a quick
sip!)

As for what Janette said, it might be that both Janette and Nick don't count
wartime actions (qua wartime actions) in the same category as mere feeding,
just as mortals make a distinction between war and peacetime violence.

Best,
Julia
jkocich@a.......
AIM: jkocich
MSN: jkocich@y.......

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:47:24 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: For old time's sake

Had an interesting "sighting" today....Was looking at some Starsky and Hutch
links and saw a link to James Walkswithwind / Gila!  Who'da thunk it? "g"

Wish her stuff hadn't been taken from our Jadfe archive. :o(

Portia

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:20:44 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: FK Alumni Sighting

I was watching Tracker yesterday in the forlorn hope of glimpsing a couple of
seconds of Ger, when Richard Macmillan, the Quaker brother who hanged himself
and the power-mad vampire doctor (as well as the Nazi-sympathizing teacher in
Black Harbour), showed his face! He was playing a thief in league with Zin,
Ger's character.

Since I only saw the last half of the show I really don't know what was going
on, but it was nice to see yet again one of the 42 actors in Canada.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:29:42 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Nat in hell ! (was: CD in 3rd season, Killing Tracy, etc)

> --- Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
wrote:
> > I personally can't imagine a fourth season with
> > Nick and Nat both in heaven.

>--- Viv <viv11374@y.......> wrote:
> would you rather have one with both of them in Hell?
> <EG>
>
Oh God, oh God! You woke up the fanfiction fairies in
my head again. Back, you buzzing twirling muses, back!
I neither have the time nor the energy right now, not
to mention the number of other un-written stories
already stacked in the back of my head.
;)


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:11:14 -0500
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: Series Intent

This message forwarded on behalf of  liv <liv@z.......>

------- Forwarded message follows -------
From: liv <liv@z.......>
To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Subject: Re: Series Intent
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:48:57 -0500

Thought I'd come out of lurking to say that the show, from early on,
had the structure of a classical tragedy--with Lacroix playing the
part of the chorus, of course. The dialogue about whether you can
overcome Vampire nature was fairly consistant throughout.

Blake's 7, a British sf tv show in the 80s, was also a tragedy, but
was even more borne by the actors, with help from occasional writers,
and was much less successful.

Once the structure was in place, the writers in the last season really
focused this intent in those last shows. Nick was not foiled by
wanting something no vampire could have, but by wanting something that
he could not have, he was foiled by his nature.

I never thought that it was a surprise that most of the actors in the
show were well trained on the stage.

BTW, I don't think there is a conflict between his love interests, at
all. Very few people have one true love, and clearly Janette and Nick,
if they had once been lovers, were any more only close, and
occasionally sexually involved, friends--but sex is part of a
vampire's nature. It was a complex relationship, I'm sure, but not an
exclusively romantic one.

Natalie obviously had her problems with relationships, as did Nick,
and this was probably part of what drew the two disparate characters
together. Most people do not spend there nights, mostly alone, cutting
up corpses--it is a job for someone alienated for some reason we never
learn. It helps makes the relationship believable. The drive to become
human is what they need to do to spend time together, it is what they
substitute for sex, their kind of intimacy, and it turns out to be the
only real intimacy they can have. I think you could have had a similar
intimacy, and as meaninful, with a male, just that, on television the
sexual undercurrents would have been less visible:-)

Haven't been around, or paying enough attention, but I expect I have
put everyone off by now.

Back to lurking!

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:25:51 -0500
From:    janette1228 <janette1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Feb 2002 (#2002-59)

I read or hear somewhere that those characters that left after the 2nd
season wanted to leave....but someone said they got rid of them....which is
right?

I think for the 3rd season they should have had the same characters as in
the 2nd but also added vachon and urs--but thats having my cake and eating
it too i suppose.

I read that ben bass said he wouldn't be interested in coming back if they
ever brought FK back. Does anyone on here know if any of the cast is
interested in coming back if the show did come back??

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Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:05:21 -0500
From:    paula newman <ravensfyre@c.......>
Subject: Re: Looking for Amanda Berendt,
         and - Is anyone interested in a Shrewthering-type "mass
         get-together" for My Fair Lady?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Steeves" <goid@i.......>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:53 AM


> That said, this seems like an ideal venue for another "mass get-together".
> <SNIP> how does July 28th sound?

I was thinking of asking the same thing.  Well, maybe not a mass get
together I was just wondering if any one else would be interested in meeting
up in Stratford.  I finally have a friend talked into coming with me to LCA
this year but she can't afford that and Stratford too.  And I wasn't sure
about going alone.

This far in advance any date would probably be good. (Seniority does have
its privileges <g>)

Paula
"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams."      -Henry David Thoreau

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Date:    Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:28:27 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Feb 2002 (#2002-59)

In a message dated 2/25/02 10:26:34 PM Central Standard Time,
janette1228@h....... writes:

<< I read that ben bass said he wouldn't be interested in coming back if they
 ever brought FK back. Does anyone on here know if any of the cast is
 interested in coming back if the show did come back?? >>
It would depend, probably, on what they were offered, what else they were
doing at the time, their offered contracts, and a bunch of other personal and
legal stuff. In otherwards, no matter what they'd say at this point, it'd
probably come down to what happens when they are actually asked *officially*
However, I do believe that Deb has retired from acting.

Libs

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Date:    Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:10:13 -0400
From:    T Floyd <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: "Just Watch Me"  Colm Feore and GWD

Colm Feore and GWD, among other notable Canadian actors will be in the mini
series "Trudeau" will be airing very soon on CBC.

Entirely aside from who is in the documentary, Trudeau was an important
force in Canadian culture and politics from at least the 1960s to his death
in 2000.  Some more info:  http://collections.ic.gc.ca/canspeak/english/pet/

LapLor

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Date:    Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:56:29 -0600
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: "Just Watch Me"  Colm Feore and GWD

>Colm Feore and GWD, among other notable Canadian actors will be in the mini
>series "Trudeau" will be airing very soon on CBC.

I don't know if anyone's seen the CBC advertisements for this yet, but I
thought they were quite amusing, and managed to get an occasional glimpse of
Ger in the flurry of clips.

Eve.

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