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FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Sep 2001 to 16 Sep 2001 (#2001-280)

Sun, 16 Sep 2001

There are 24 messages totalling 745 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. concerns wtc (5)
  2. Calling all non-US listmembers
  3. NY listmembers
  4. Worried For List Members
  5. WTC day care center ok
  6. Florida and florida targets
  7. A little silliness (3)
  8. Admin: Reinstating topicality rule
  9. America
 10. possible new project (3)
 11. ADMIN: New Topic Announcement
 12. My friend Sue
 13. Angelfire Help
 14. The story I'm posting..."Ladder"
 15. Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules]
 16. Thank you, Emily Hanson about the new topic


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:36:07 EDT
From:    Susankenn@a.......
Subject: concerns wtc


Many of my on line friends have continued to ask me how Kenn (my husband is
doing).  As I said in my previous post Kenn is a lieutenant with the Port
Authority Police. I was very lucky. He had set up his command post outside
while many of his coworkers set theirs up inside. They are all gone, he is
still here.

Kenn is working 18 hour days at this moment. I have not seen him since
Wednesday when he popped in to get clothes, shower and take a quick nap.

My husband is currently running the office of emergency response for the PA
police. Kenn is only one of approximently 700 Certified Emergency Managers in
the United States. Thank God the PA is utilizing him in the proper way. Kenn
had done numerous training courses in "Incident Command" and has been at the
scene of many other disasters.

He really is a "hero" to me and me and my family are so proud.

I also wanted to thank my on line family for all the wonderful expressions of
concern both on line and off line.

Sue Honig


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:55:21 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: concerns wtc

Susan, please tell him that he's a hero to all of us online, too!

----- Original Message -----
From: <Susankenn@a.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:36 PM
Subject: concerns wtc

> Many of my on line friends have continued to ask me how Kenn (my husband is
> doing).  <edit>Kenn is a lieutenant with the Port Authority Police. I was
> very lucky. He had set up his command post outside while many of his
> coworkers set theirs up inside. > <edit>
> He really is a "hero" to me and me and my family are so proud.


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:32:04 +0100
From:    Kezia Hepden <keziahepden@h.......>
Subject: Calling all non-US listmembers

If you're a non-American and would like the chance to join in expressing
your support and heartfelt sympathy to the people of America, please contact
me off-list at kezia.hepden@b....... or keziahepden@h.......

I've been sent a very special email to which many of my fellow non-US
listmembers may like to add their name.

Kezia Hepden


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:48:00 EDT
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: NY listmembers

In a message dated 9/12/01 3:18:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrodri14@u.......

> I'm on digest so i don't know if this has been posted, but i wanted to
> check on the well-being of NY area listmembers.  Hope all are safe and
> sound.  Please let us know!

This was too close for me.  My son repairs computers for the Port Authority
on the 65th floor of tower #2.  He was to be there at 8:00am.  His car
stalled on the LIE inbound at 7:45am.  It took him over an hour to get a tow
truck.  He just missed being there.

My older son was working on the other tower in Windows On The World Rest.
for the past six months.  He was just transferred off that job on the 6th.

With God's grace, both my sons were saved.  I grieve deeply for all those who
did not survive.



Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:52:13 EDT
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Worried For List Members

In a message dated 9/12/01 9:43:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
BROOKJU@m....... writes:

> Knightwitch who's husband works in the city also

Bill is okay.  He and his foreman, who happens to be an EMT went to the site
to help out.  Right now the two guys are home resting.  But I don't know for
how long.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
My biggest problem right now is with my youngest son.  The one who was to
work there that morning, he's suffering from survivors guilt.



Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:21:46 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: concerns wtc

In a message dated 9/15/01 4:36:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
Susankenn@a....... writes:

<< He really is a "hero" to me and me and my family are so proud. >>
I want to say publicly that I'm sure I'm not the only one in our FK family
who wants to say "Kenn is not only a 'hero' to you and your family, but to
ALL of us."   The men and women who are working despite the danger to
themselves at both the WTC and the Pentagon, are heroes of the bravest sort.

When you next see him, give us a hug from each of us (well, maybe ONE
representational hug <g>)



Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:22:55 -0700
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: concerns wtc

Sue: Give Kenn a hug for us all, the next time you see him, and tell him
"Thanks."  His hard work is appreciated.

KC Smith
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:28:07 -0700
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: WTC day care center ok

Thanks, McLisa!  That's a relief to hear!

KC Smith
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:09:27 -0400
From:    Gabrielle White <singtoangels@h.......>
Subject: Re: Florida and florida targets

I live in Tampa and we have Macdill AFB here. On the international hit list,
it is just about 2 down from the White House as a good target for the
palestinians to hit because this is where most of the activity goes on
during war time.
  Also, Tropical Storm Gabrielle didn't hit us all too bad, mostly way south
of here in Sarasota county. I was wondering when I would finally get a storm
named after me.... ;)

      Sing to Angels

  *****(N&Npacker, Secret Valentine, Detester of Perkiness, Grey Cousin
(lover of Uncle in all his guises), Vaquero)*****

   "Look for more than the human eye can see, and sing the grief you find to
the angels above."


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:09:08 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: A little silliness

I don't know about anyone else, but I desperately needed some amusement
today, after the way the week has been going, so I composed this little bit
of almost-on-topic silliness.

After everything that's been going on, I've found myself looking for ways to
get away from the outside world. This week, for the first time in a while, I
played The Sims. For those of you who don't know, The Sims is basically a
little virtual world where you create people and prompt them to eat, sleep,
get jobs, buy furniture, fall in love, get married, start families, etc.
It's really quite a fun little escapist activity, and the amount of choice
you have is pretty impressive--you can also go online and get "skins"--new
faces, clothing, and body shapes for your sims. You can also create your
own, with a bit of practice; you can even take photographs of people and
give your Sims their faces.

So today, I decided to take the plunge. I created two Sims, Nick Knight and
Natalie Lambert. I "built" their faces and outfits, installed them in their
own separate little apartments (I had fun trying to chase down the
accoutrements for Nick's loft, including the fireplace, piano, etc.). I
even, thanks to a certain little cheater program I have, managed to give
Nick his near-limitless wealth and increased strength--I also gave him a
healthy dose of charisma, for obvious reasons. ;) The same program allowed
me to give him a job as a police detective, and Natalie one in the medical
profession. Then I sat back, prepared to watch the magic happen.

Alas, such was not to be.

First of all, SimNick refused to bathe. I couldn't figure out why. This went
on for days. Whenever he tried to hug SimNatalie, she held her nose and they
lost five points off their relationship. (Finally, I took the windows out of
the bathroom. They were privacy windows, which were supposed to be okay in
the bathroom, but apparently SimNick was getting a bit too much sunlight in

Once I finally got that sorted out there were the other Sim
females--apparently giving SimNick all that charisma wasn't such a good
idea. They were practically banging down his door, wandering around after
him with little hearts over their heads. (Some of them were
previously-happily-married Sims too. Among the male Sims, SimNick is not
well-liked.) And don't think he didn't do anything to encourage them
either--he kept hugging them and kissing them on the cheek.

Meanwhile, SimNatalie sat at home, seething with jealousy but not wanting to
admit it. SimNick, being a night-owl, would call her at odd hours, to which
she would reply, "You have some nerve!" and hang up. When at last he
convinced her to drop by for a visit, they did get along famously, although,
true to his namesake, SimNick didn't have any food in the apartment, and
SimNatalie was obviously very hungry. They sat together on the couch and
watched horror shows on SimNick's big-screen television for what seemed like
hours before sharing a relatively chaste kiss goodbye. Feeling a bit left
out by all this independent action (I didn't tell them to do any of this!),
I decided to take control of the game again. Since their relationship had
reached the allowable level for it, I thought I'd have a little fun, so I
had SimNick propose. SimNatalie's response? "You can't expect me to make a
decision like that on an empty stomach. Goodbye."

There's a fanfic in all of this somewhere. ;)

"Some are born to sweep the light
Some are born to endless night"

--William Blake


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:19:32 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Admin: Reinstating topicality rule

Thank you Lisa, I'm glad to see you taking action, some of
the discussions were beginning to sound disturbing.
I always wondered why Forkni-l and Fkfic-l never suffered
from the disasters I had seen on some of the other lists I
was on. Now I know why.



Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
"What time is it, what day is it, what century is it?"


Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:41:23 -0400
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: America

lady_ariake@y....... wrote that she cried after learning that
yesterday, for the first time in history, the Changing of the
Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace was alerted to play "The
Star-Spangled Banner" instead of "God Save the Queen".

Then Marel wrote:
>Yesterday, at St. Paul's Cathedral, a memorial service was held
> <attended by> dignitaries, (including the Royal family, and
>past and present prime ministers) <snip> members of the <public>
>wanting to show their respects. <snip> The Queen sang the American
>anthem. Apparently, it was the first time in all her 75 years that
>she'd sang the national anthem of a foreign country.

I cried too when I saw news clips of this.  To see a Cathedral
filled with British subjects including their Queen, singing what is
admittedly a rather difficult melody (and must be especially so for
anyone not learning it during childhood) just to comfort us Americans,
left me in tears of appreciation for their thoughtfulness and show of



Date:    Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:05:47 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: concerns wtc

 ----- Original Message -----
From: <Susankenn@a.......>

> > He really is a "hero" to me and me and my family are so proud.

 He is definitely a hero.  Please know that he and all the other rescue
workers are in my prayers.

 Laurie of the Isles


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:25:02 GMT
From:    Tracey Rayner <trayner@p.......>
Subject: possible new project

Hi all,
With all the recent messages about the happenings in America I have come
to realise just how wide spread the FK community is, and have thought
about putting up a new page on my site with a map of the world showing
just where FK fans are located by city.  Does something like this already
exist?  If not would there be any interest from all you FK fans this


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:43:33 -0400
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: ADMIN: New Topic Announcement

Lisa and I have decided to setup a new topic for Fiction based on or dealing
with the tragic events of September 11.  Some people may find it helpful to
be able to express their feelings through the writing or reading of fiction.
This topic is designed to provide a forum for those members of the Forever
Knight community who wish to do so, and at the same time allow those who do not
wish to read such fiction to avoid it.

We all deal with our grief in different ways and need to be considerate of
each other's differences.  If we allow the hatred that led to these acts to
infect us we only validate that hatred.  Yes we grieve, yes we are angry, and
yes we demand justice.  These are reasonable and legitimate feelings.
However, let us not descend into blind hatred - let us instead grow to an
understanding of the community of humanity.  The world grieves with us -
people all around the globe and of every religion share our pain.  We must
repudiate these unconscionable acts of hatred by denying hate a home in
our hearts.

The new topic is SEP11: and works the same as the WAR: or ADULT:
topics. By default no one is set to receive the new topic. To receive the
SEP11: topic, you must send a message to the listserver containing the
following commands:


Messages must have the topic SEP11: (with the colon) as the very first item
on the subject line.  Otherwise, the Listserver will not recognize the topic

As always, fiction only to FKFIC-L and discussion of that fiction to FORKNI-
L.  Lisa and I will be lenient about the topicality of the fiction, but please
confine discussion to discussing the fiction - not a general discussion of the
events of, and following, September 11.  All other list rules apply as usual.

If you have any questions or need a hand, please drop me a line.

Don Fasig, FK List Gardener
Argent@e.......    ---,-<@
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/fk-lists.htm - Subscription Help


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:31:10 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: A little silliness

Thank you, I needed a laugh!



Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:36:58 EDT
From:    Javiette@a.......
Subject: My friend Sue

Sue called me yesterday.  She was able to get on a greyhound late Friday and got
home yesterday early evening.  She wants me to let you know she is really
touched that people who don't even know her were volunteering to help her get

Thank you so much to those who volunteered to drive and thank you to those who
sent me e-mails of concern for her welfare.  I'm just so glad she's home safe
and sound.



Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:37:04 -0400
From:    "Anita K. Blake" <AKBlake@l.......>
Subject: Angelfire Help

Thanks McLisa, for allowing me to post this!

I just created an account on Angelfire for the fkff2 (angelfire supports fp
extensions) but I can't get my FP2000 to upload to the site. Can someone who
uses FP2000 and Angelfire (or site similar) help me? I did enable FP server
extensions, but nothing changed. Thanks and kudos to those who answer! ;)

"These days my life is a cross between a preternatural soap opera and
an action-adventure movie. Sort of As the Casket Turns meets Rambo"

Anita Blake- The Killing Dance by Laurell K. Hamilton

Owner of the X-Men Fanfic archive,
Co-owner of the Unofficial Hugh Jackman Fan Club (the UHJFC)
and the new FKFanfic2 archive,
and member #13 of the Lisa Ryder FC!

AKBlake@l.......  ~  http://x-menfanfic.50megs.com  ~
http://uhjfc.50megs.com  ~  http://fkfanfic2.50megs.com


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:49:15 -0500
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Re: possible new project

Tracey Rayner wrote:

>putting up a new page on my site with a map of the world showing
>just where FK fans are located by city.  Does something like this already
>exist?  If not would there be any interest from all you FK fans this

I think it's a fantastic idea!!  If it already exists, I would appreciate it
if someone would post the addy to the list.  I remember a where-are-you
effort on *an* FK list a year or so ago, but I don't remember which list.


Faction list
Comical quote


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:05:04 -0700
From:    "Nancy A. Taylor" <nat1228@h.......>
Subject: The story I'm posting..."Ladder"

I've been getting responses that many people are missing parts of the story
I've been posting to FKFIC-L: "The Ladder by Which We Rise." All the parts
have dropped successfully into my own mailbox, so I know that they went
through. However, for those missing parts, or who would prefer to have the
story in one chunk instead of nine parts, the complete text can be found
at: http://members.home.net/nat1228/chronicles.htm . For those people who
follow my "Laurene" series, this is another installment that, while written
originally in 1999, has never been posted to the 'net before.

Thanks very much for your patience, and I hope those reading will enjoy the



Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:12:05 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules]

We're still allowing posts about fans on and offlist and we're still talking
and comforting each other as family.  We're not discussing the political
aspect of the situation as a precaution against flames.

Love to all,


If you need a hand or have any questions please don't hesitate to
contact Don Fasig <Argent@e.......> or Lisa McDavid

For tips on managing your Forever Knight  subscriptions please visit Don's
help page at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/fk-lists.htm

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Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:22:04 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Thank you, Emily Hanson about the new topic

I'd like to say that Emily Hanson brought the idea for the new SEP11 topic
to Don and me after a discussion on one of the faction loops. Thank you,
Emily. We appreciate your help.

McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:23:30 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: possible new project

There is a map here:


It's based on the locations of the fans on the Sci-fi FK BBoard.

"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

> >putting up a new page on my site with a map of the world showing
> >just where FK fans are located by city.  Does something like this already
> >exist?  If not would there be any interest from all you FK fans this
> >project?


Date:    Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:57:34 -0700
From:    Ustisaquui <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: Re: A little silliness

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eve Dutton" <umdutto3@c.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: A little silliness

> So today, I decided to take the plunge. I created two Sims, Nick Knight and
> Natalie Lambert.

Hehehee....now you've gotten me going.  I'll have to see about finding a
'Vachon' and putting him in a...uh...wonder if I can make a church?
Hmmm.....  Let's see, there are slackers or musicians for
Javier....Detectives for Tracy and Nick.....Medial for Natalie....Detective
for Schanke .......LaCroix...hmm...independently wealthy???  Too bad they
can't have their own businesses.   (though the money cheat is a wonderful
Thanks for the silliness...it was a wonderful break. :)



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