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FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224)

Sat, 21 Jul 2001

There are 14 messages totalling 537 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. War Quote List (5)
  2. WAR: Identity of the WM? (2)
  3. Members in Carolinas?
  4. WAR:   Raven/ettes' web page
  5. WAR: My answers to the questions (5)

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Date:    Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:58:47 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: War Quote List

As done in past Wars, I cut and pasted together a list of bits
from the War posts that I found amusing or cool as I read.

Here's the result:

http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/war11quotes.html

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge............<llamababe@c.......>
Snow Cone Enthiusiast.............Single and Fabulous!

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:34:54 -0400
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: WAR: Identity of the WM?

So who was the Warmistress this War?

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--sandragray@r.......

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:27:51 -0400
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: Members in Carolinas?

Most particularly anybody in Charleston, SC or Asheville, NC?

Please reply off list.

Thanks,

Don Fasig
    ---,-<@
phase3@g.......

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:38:19 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Identity of the WM?

Gwyneth Meirionfa
War XI Warmistress


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandra" <sandragray@r.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:34 AM
Subject: WAR: Identity of the WM?


> So who was the Warmistress this War?
>
> --Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
> --sandragray@r.......
>

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:00:50 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: War Quote List

LOL!  Just finished reading the War XI Quote List.  Great job, Bonnie.  I think
the memory of this, my first war, will stay with me.....at least until the next
war. <g>

Fangs for the memories.

- Grace
aka knightfangs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Rutledge" <br1035@i.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: War Quote List


> As done in past Wars, I cut and pasted together a list of bits
> from the War posts that I found amusing or cool as I read.
>
> Here's the result:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/war11quotes.html
>
> <waves>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Bonnie Rutledge............<llamababe@c.......>
> Snow Cone Enthiusiast.............Single and Fabulous!
>

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:33:53 -0500
From:    Cousin Tok <tokaara@m.......>
Subject: Re: War Quote List

At 08:58 PM 7/20/01, Bonnie Rutledge typed these words:
>As done in past Wars, I cut and pasted together a list of bits
>from the War posts that I found amusing or cool as I read.

Quoted *and* mentioned multiple times ... kewl!  :-D



Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@m....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:00:42 -0400
From:    "Mildred G. Cady" <cmildre1@n.......>
Subject: Re: War Quote List

Same here!  :)

Athough, my favorites (and the fav of the people I live with...  ) both
happen to be from one of my stories, Merc/RP?: Ya Better Git Used Ta It!

"The won tha' looked loik the ‘oly ‘and blowy-up thing from Monty Python an
the 'oly cup-thingy?"- Libby (kinda translation- The one that looked like
the holy hand blowy-up thing /holy hand grenade/ from Monty Python and the
Holy Cup-thingy /Holy Grail/)

"Hallucinating is when you see things that aren't real.  But you're not
hallucinating, Mildred.  Unless you're seeing purple penguins doing the
tango on the ceiling."  McLisa


Needless to say, the second one has prompted one person I live with to look
for stuffed purple penguins...


-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
Cousin Tok
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 2:34 AM
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Subject: Re: War Quote List


At 08:58 PM 7/20/01, Bonnie Rutledge typed these words:
>As done in past Wars, I cut and pasted together a list of bits
>from the War posts that I found amusing or cool as I read.

Quoted *and* mentioned multiple times ... kewl!  :-D



Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@m....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:11:39 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: War Quote List

Mildred wrote:

<snip>"Hallucinating is when you see things that aren't real.  But you're
not hallucinating, Mildred.  Unless you're seeing purple penguins doing the
tango on the ceiling."  McLisa<snip>

LOL!!!

I should add in a disclaimer - the quote list comes from my first reading
of the War, as it was happening. Considering the swiss cheese mental state
of any participant after the first 24 hours, many hilarious bits tap danced
in front of my eyeballs but no doubt slipped through my brain.

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge............<llamababe@c.......>
Snow Cone Enthiusiast.............Single and Fabulous!

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:09:50 -0600
From:    kimmer <kimmertom@q.......>
Subject: WAR:   Raven/ettes' web page

our archive is up, *most* of the stories are there,
check out the graphics and the fun:

http://raven.populli.net/

thanks!

kimmer

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:54:17 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

Brenda, WOW.  That was deep.  And it made sense.  But I was thinking that it
was all in fun, a time to be silly and, yes, even escape a bit.  Uh oh, does
that make me sound like a DP?

- Grace
N&NP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brenda Bell" <webwarren@e.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:48 AM
Subject: WAR: My answers to the questions


> I know the idea was to solve these within the framework of the fiction, but
> the more I pored over them, the more serious they got, and the less likely
> to be workable in a post of fiction. So if you'll bear with me being
> serious for a few...
>
>
>  >1) Variance in fan fiction interpretations leading to conflict
>  >and disagreement over which characters are genuine.
>
> No "bible" exists for the definition of writing a character -- only
> precedence. While the series was being written, a canonical bible evolved
> by combination of fiat (writer's bible) and precedence (aired episode). The
> bible any new writer comes up with will be a combination of canonical and
> non-canonical data. As more and more fanfic appears, the amount of
> noncanonical data in a writer's bible will increase, leading to greater
> divergence of characterizations.
>
>
>  >2) Deficiency in Vitamin U leading to personality disorders.
>
> (a) It's a misprint: it's supposed to be 'Vitamin YOU'. Mr. Rogers used to
> sing, "You are special" and say that you make each day a special day "by
> just you being you." If you don't have enough YOU in you... you morph into
> something, somebody else... like the characters morphed into each other.
> (b) Each of us needs the "you" that is the rest of fandom. For some of our
> friends here, these lists -- this fandom -- these people -- WE --are a
> source of sanity, and part of their path back from what some people might
> describe as "personality disorders".
>
>
>  >3) Mercs giving away free chocolate.
>
> (a) Like Mildred said: a marketing ploy. But it could indicate that the
> Mercs are evolving from soldiers-of-fortune into business(wo)men -- from an
> arguably less stable to an arguably more stable social form... One might
> therefore consider it indicative of a "coming of age" of those who War, an
> understanding of, and comfort with, those deficiencies in our 'real lives'
> which we have come to fandom, fanfic, and fictionWarring to fulfill (see
> "Vitamin YOU deficiency, above).
> (b) You must give love/comfort/aid to receive it. Following the Law of
> Three, whatever you do will return to you three-fold -- so *giving away*
> the candy is what makes brings the Mercs *profit*.
> (c) Fanfiction is a sort of "candy" to the fannish reader. By its very
> definition, it cannot be sold for profit. By writing fiction, and by
> participating in Wars, we are all in a sense "giving away free candy".
>
>
>  >4) The wrong ice cream cones are intersecting in secret
>  >physics lab on U of TO campus
>
> This was probably the hardest one for me to grok.
> (a) In the context of War 11, this could mean merely the wrong
> personalities in the wrong bodies, or the "wrong" interpretations of Mary
> Sue's mind.
> (b) We may be too conscious of ourselves, and not conscious enough of
> everyone else in our enclave -- whether they be other fans, mundanes,
> canonical characters, War-universe characters, or Non-Player-Characters
> (NPCs) of any description.
> (c) Perhaps we should not rail at what is not *perfect* (e.g.,
> characterization of Nick or Lacroix), but accept instead what there *is*,
> as it is.
>
>
>  >5) Asteroid files missing from observatory. (Check with aliens)
>
> Persons new to writing in a given fan fiction universe may not be familiar
> with all the canon and writers' guides that define the characters -- in
> other words, they're missing the "files" that make their characterizations
> more canonical, their situations more realistic. In this sense, these
> writers and their characterizations are alien to the canonical universe,
> and the canonical universe is alien to them.
>
>
>  >6) Llama has communal dung pile in her 'Relationship Paddock'
>
> Fandom is a community; fans develop relationships. We share the same
> "primordial ooze" (canon/agreed-upon apocrypha) and we all have some
> writings that are worthy of the dung pile. Still, dung, when aged, becomes
> manure -- which nourishes the plants that nourish us. Sometimes, we just
> need someone to tell us, "you stink" -- and sometimes, we need to take that
> manure as a basis for honing our writing skills -- nourishing our "inner
> writer", as it were.
>
>  >7) Old, Dead Guy reanimated in Nunkies Anonymous
>  >Shrine is ready to destroy everyone.
>
> (a) Writing in someone else's universe, using characters that are someone
> else's property (see "communal dung pile", above), we live with the
> constant threat of a "bogeyman" (i.e., the property owners and/or their
> agents) telling us we may no longer write fanfic, and/or forcing us to
> remove our existing fanfic from all channels of publication and
> distribution (i.e., destroying every one of our "children", and destroying
> our ability to create more).
> (b) The bogeyman of bad fanfic can warp the characterization of all the
> personnages to the point that they are unrecognizable (i.e., destroyed) --
> like the Old, Dead Guy did to the Shrine.
> (c) The Old, Dead Guy was behind the massacre of characters and
> characterizations that defined FK Season 3 (canon).
>
>
>  >8) Vachon's Amazing and Transcendental Motorbike
>  >is lonely. Needs new friend.
>
>          "A bell is no bell 'til you ring it;
>          A song is no song 'til you sing it;
>          And love in your heart wasn't put there to stay --
>          Love isn't love 'til you give it away..."
>                  --"Sixteen Going on Seventeen (reprise)
>                          Oscar Hammerstein II, "The Sound of Music"
>
> (a) No matter what fictional enterprise we dream up for our characters --
> realistic or not, canonical or not -- it means nothing if we can't share it
> with friends and fellow fen.
> (b) In the same vein, each writer is an Amazing and Transcendental Person,
> reaching out to find relationships through the medium of fiction, as is
> each reader, reaching out to new friends through familiar characters and
> circumstances.
>
>
>  >9) Fried war brain cells replaced by fried real life brain cells.
>
> When real life is tough, many of us "escape" to fandom to unfry our brains.
> As we exit the War, we put down the frazzle of 2+ weeks of fiction-fried
> brains and raise again the banners of our hectic lives. In similar manner,
> the symptoms that afflicted Our Favorite Vamps during the War and have left
> *them* frazzled will be replaced by whatever "reality" they might
> experience when we are *not* observing them. In short, by ceasing to
> observe this anomaly, it will cease to exist.
>
>
>
>
>
> Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
> Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
>          UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
> HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/
> Gerthering 3 Photos:  https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
> Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:22:32 -0400
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......> (quoting a previous post from someone
whom I don't recall) writes:
> >4) The wrong ice cream cones are intersecting in secret
> >physics lab on U of TO campus


Aaaargh!!!  I wish that I'd noticed this earlier.

Just a quick clarification for writers in future Wars who want to mention
the University of Toronto: Nobody, absolutely nobody at the U of T calls it
"U of TO".  (Nobody who wants to stay alive anyway - kidding!).  So don't do
it - Please!

Okay, never mind that there are probably a dozen other places that are the
"University of T<Fill in the blank>" that call themselves either "U of T" or
"UT" for short, and never mind that both the University of Texas and
possibly also the University of Tennessee are using the "ut.general" Usenet
domain that the Department of Computer Science at the University of Toronto
created (I think :-) ), but if you're in Toronto or writing about Toronto,
please know that nobody calls the University of Toronto the "U of TO".

The University of California at Berkeley doesn't clarify, distinguish, or
change its initials because of the University of Cape Breton (oh wait, the
one in Cape Breton changed its name to University _College_ of Cape Breton
JUST BECAUSE of the University of California at Berkeley, as one of their
graduates told me - wimps!), so the U of T will neither change its name or
its initials just because of a bunch of penny-ante operators (KIDDING!) that
happen to have the same initials.

Okay, just my minute or so on the soapbox... :)

W.

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:41:03 -0400
From:    "Mildred G. Cady" <cmildre1@n.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

First, wow.. that's a lot of thought...

But the Mercs growing up?  Laurie, Libby, are we actually growing up?

I think it might was the difference in leadership styles... with Laurie
being whammied by F. Hugh into writing a musical (dear gods...), I had a bit
more free reign then if the GHP was her usual self.  Which I'll get
court-martialed for in the next war.  (Hope everyone can come to my
trial...especially the Knighties I sold Nicksicles to and Christy from the
NA who I sold Janette Jellies too... I need to prove my profit... <emg>)

-----Original Message-----
<snip>
>  >3) Mercs giving away free chocolate.
>
> (a) Like Mildred said: a marketing ploy. But it could indicate
> that the Mercs are evolving from soldiers-of-fortune into
> business(wo)men -- from an arguably less stable to an arguably
> more stable social form... One might therefore consider it
> indicative of a "coming of age" of those who War, an
> understanding of, and comfort with, those deficiencies in our
> 'real lives'which we have come to fandom, fanfic, and fiction
> Warring to fulfill (see "Vitamin YOU deficiency, above).
> (b) You must give love/comfort/aid to receive it. Following the
> Law of Three, whatever you do will return to you three-fold --
> so *giving away* the candy is what makes brings the Mercs *profit*.
> (c) Fanfiction is a sort of "candy" to the fannish reader. By
> its very definition, it cannot be sold for profit. By writing
> fiction, and by participating in Wars, we are all in a sense
> "giving away free candy".

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:45:21 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

In a message dated 7/21/01 11:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
cmildre1@n....... writes:

> But the Mercs growing up?  Laurie, Libby, are we actually growing up?
WOT??? Ya donut 'afta insulturate me<g>

The Ratpack will never grow up! WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T.

So THERE. pppttttbbbbbbllllllttttthhhhhhhhhhh!

Mildred's saying MEAN thingees!

>  Which I'll get
>  court-martialed for in the next war.  (Hope everyone can come to my
>  trial...especially the Knighties I sold Nicksicles to and Christy from the
>  NA who I sold Janette Jellies too... I need to prove my profit... <emg>)

Oh, the Ratpack would LUV to get cha ... I mean get there. <wRPg>

libs

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Date:    Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:51:11 -0400
From:    "Mildred G. Cady" <cmildre1@n.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

-----Original Message-----
Libratsie@a.......

>WOT??? Ya donut 'afta insulturate me<g>
>The Ratpack will never grow up! WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T WE
>WON'T WE WON'T.
>So THERE. pppttttbbbbbbllllllttttthhhhhhhhhhh!
>Mildred's saying MEAN thingees!

Wasn't me.... it was Brenda...

>Oh, the Ratpack would LUV to get cha ... I mean get there. <wRPg>

You're just upset cause I was the persecuting attourney at your trial.  I
bet you'll be there to ask to return the favor.  Now, I can't get the type
of defense you had....  <g>

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