FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 21 Jul 2001 to 22 Jul 2001 (#2001-225)
Sun, 22 Jul 2001
There are 22 messages totalling 737 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. WAR: Identity of the WM? (2)
2. WAR: My answers to the questions (3)
3. Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th (5)
4. Help (2)
5. Admin: FORKNI-L Rules
6. Natalie's birthday
7. Natalie's birthday / Myra glitch
8. FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224) (4)
9. Not just a glitch (3)
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:23:07 -0400
From: Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Identity of the WM?
knightfangs wrote:
>Gwyneth Meirionfa
>War XI Warmistress
Is that her real name or is that a pseudonym?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--sandragray@r.......
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:29:49 -0400
From: knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Identity of the WM?
Unfortunately I don't know. Sorry.
- Grace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandra" <sandragray@r.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: WAR: Identity of the WM?
> knightfangs wrote:
> >Gwyneth Meirionfa
> >War XI Warmistress
>
> Is that her real name or is that a pseudonym?
>
> --Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
> --sandragray@r.......
>
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:44:07 -0700
From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions
Reminds me of the old "Toys R Us" theme song. You should have a
"Ratpackers R US" filk for the next war. Heh heh.
Emily
--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> The Ratpack will never grow up! WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T
> WE WON'T.
> So THERE. pppttttbbbbbbllllllttttthhhhhhhhhhh!
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:58:54 -0400
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions
At 05:44 PM 7/21/2001 -0700, Emily wrote:
> > The Ratpack will never grow up! WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T WE WON'T
> > WE WON'T.
> > So THERE. pppttttbbbbbbllllllttttthhhhhhhhhhh!
>
>Reminds me of the old "Toys R Us" theme song.
It goes back a bit further than that, I'm afraid. In the musical "Peter
Pan", there's a song, "I Won't Grow Up" (or something like that).
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:20:56 EDT
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th
In rewatching Last Knight for the first time since it's orginal airing I
discovered why Natalie's birthday can NOT be April 14th!
Having been in Toronto once during the end of April, and seeing pictures from
when I lived in Buffalo, NY as a tot.... it still snows then. It was
flurrying on me during my trip to Toronto.
If you watch Only the Lonely Natalie not wearing a coat and is enjoying the
warm summer day. I believe it's her who says it's a summer day. People are
flying kites, having picnics. And there might've even been someone in shorts.
This is NOT what you'd be wearing or doing if it was April. People would be
in coats and indoors not outside enjoying the warm weather. So, this means
that it is some time other than April, and June does fit the weather pattern.
I checked the Toronto weather the other day to see what it was like for my
upcoming trip there and was pleased to see that it's about the same there as
it is in Florida right now.
Judy
DanaKnight@a.......
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:38:39 -0300
From: Rhonda MacKenzie <scarlett@a.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions
At 12:22 PM 7/21/2001 -0400, Will wrote:
>The University of California at Berkeley doesn't clarify, distinguish, or
>change its initials because of the University of Cape Breton (oh wait, the
>one in Cape Breton changed its name to University _College_ of Cape Breton
>JUST BECAUSE of the University of California at Berkeley, as one of their
>graduates told me - wimps!)
Actually, the University College of Cape Breton (UCCB) changed it's name
after they were permitted to offer both university and college
courses. You can receive diplomas, degrees or certificates there. I'm a
former grad (BACS in 1996) and current student (Theatre Arts certificate)
there. I live about 30 min. drive away from the campus :)
Rhonda
scarlett@a.......
(Surprised that someone on this list has even heard of UCCB)
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:58:46 -0500
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th
> DanaKnight@a.......
> Having been in Toronto once during the end of April, and seeing pictures from
> when I lived in Buffalo, NY as a tot.... it still snows then. It was
> flurrying on me during my trip to Toronto.
Well, I live in Minneapolis---and April can be anything from snowy and cold to
85 degrees and gorgeous. I suspect Toronto is much the same (and it's further
south than Minneapolis). Moreover, when it gets nice in the spring, Minnesotans
break out the shorts, sunbathe, and act like it's July---and the temp might be
60 degrees. Heck, I've seen people in bathing suits at the lake sunning
themselves when it was cooler than that, and runners in shorts and t-shirts when
it's 45 degrees out. (When I visit my friend in Tucson in February, she's amused
at my capering around in shorts when it's 65 degrees outside--she doesn't wear
shorts until the temp hits 90 at least. But to me, coming from 30 below, it's
positively tropical. Everything is relative.)
That said, as I recall that scene at the lake, I would put the time of year
slightly later than April because the trees seem to be fully leafed out. Even a
warm April day can't hurry along nature, and trees like maples and elms don't
lose their yellow-green spring foliage until June or so, at least in my Zone 4
climate.
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
currently sweating it out in 95-degree weather
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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:46:26 -0700
From: mpv <nnpacker@y.......>
Subject: Help
Hello, folks!
Could someone please help me change my E-mail address to this list.
I'm having trouble managing my Yahoo account lately.
Thanks!
with much appreciation to the Knight,
mir
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:03:29 -0400
From: "Anita K. Blake" <AKBlake@l.......>
Subject: Re: Help
Email me privately and I'll try to help!
Anita
AKBlake@l....... ~ http://x-menfanfic.50megs.com ~
http://uhjfc.50megs.com ~ http://fkfanfic2.50megs.com
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:50:48 -0400
From: Lee Anne Brown <leebb65@h.......>
Subject: Re: Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th
Hello All;
As for Nat's birthday being on April 14th.
I've lived in Canada all my life and in
Toronto on occasion, having went to York
University in the 70's. The weather is so
changeable in April you could be in parkas
one week and sleeveless blouses the next.
Heck, the first year I was at York (1974)
March was so warm we were running around
in shorts and on April 1st a blizzard shut
down the city. Weather, it's always fun and
weird.
Lee Anne Brown
>From: DanaKnight@a.......
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:20:56 EDT
>
>In rewatching Last Knight for the first time since it's orginal airing I
>discovered why Natalie's birthday can NOT be April 14th!
>
>Having been in Toronto once during the end of April, and seeing pictures
>from when I lived in Buffalo, NY as a tot.... it still snows then. It was
>flurrying on me during my trip to Toronto.
>
>If you watch Only the Lonely Natalie not wearing a coat and is enjoying the
>warm summer day. I believe it's her who says it's a summer day. People are
>flying kites, having picnics. And there might've even been someone in
>shorts.
>
>This is NOT what you'd be wearing or doing if it was April. People would be
>in coats and indoors not outside enjoying the warm weather. So, this means
>that it is some time other than April, and June does fit the weather pattern.
>I checked the Toronto weather the other day to see what it was like for my
>upcoming trip there and was pleased to see that it's about the same there as
>it is in Florida right now.
>
>Judy
>DanaKnight@a.......
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:42:14 -0500
From: mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: FORKNI-L Rules
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:47:58 -0700
From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th
Me, too. Actually, I live in a Western suburb of the metro area. I
went to college up in Moorhead, (which is next to Fargo, but on the
Minnesota side of the border). I remember that it could be in the
70's in April, if we were lucky. In Minnesota, it's possible to get
snow in June, however unlikely. I don't know the statistics, but I'm
sure they're available somewhere.
Anyway, it's feasible that Nat's birthday could have been in April.
Especially if the show's writers were playing loosely with the info,
as writers sometimes do. Has the actress who played Natalie Lambert
ever said when Nat's birthday was supposed to be for sure?
Oops, sorry if you get this twice, Nancy. I hit reply and meant for
that to get back to the list.
Emily
--- "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......> wrote:
> Well, I live in Minneapolis---and April can be anything from snowy
> and cold to 85 degrees and gorgeous.
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:34:46 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Why Nat's birthday can NOT be April 14th
> DanaKnight@a....... wrote:
> In rewatching Last Knight for the first time since it's orginal airing I
> discovered why Natalie's birthday can NOT be April 14th!
<snip> I believe it's her who says it's a summer day.
Actually, it's Roger who says to her "That's what summer's for...
Equally good evidence, IMHO. <gr>
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker
http:\\www.erols.com\mcombs
"RL=Real Life. It's that stuff that keeps happening that gets in the way of
that other stuff."--Sue Clark
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:08:41 -0500
From: mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Natalie's birthday
Actually, this is a good example of a continuity glitch because they didn't
care. Yes, that's right. They didn't care. I once got a chance to ask John
Kapelos at a con about Myra's Amazing Resurrecting Mother. He said he told
them they'd already established that Myra's mother was dead -- Schanke had a
long speech about it -- and they said to go on with the line about Myra's
being in Tampa with her mother anyway. Nobody, they said, would remember.
As for Nat's birthday, it first appears in Only the Lonely. Not only is the
time clearly summer in the park scene, but a calendar which clearly says
either JAN or JUN is visible in the background. Since the weather couldn't
possibly Toronto in January, it follows that Nat's birthday is in June. The
April 14th thing is simply wrong.
McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:37:29 +0200
From: Cloudrider Siri <cloudrider@a.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's birthday / Myra glitch
> He said he told them they'd already established that Myra's mother was
> dead -- Schanke had a long speech about it -- and they said to go on with
> the line about Myra's being in Tampa with her mother anyway. Nobody,
> they said, would remember.
I've heard about that in one of the interviews, of course I can't remember
which one... (GWD? Kapelos?)
It really was just a glitch in the script, but the problem was the director,
not the producers. He was one of those guest directors, he had been told to
stick exactly to the script, and that's what he did, no matter what. That line
about no one remembering is from him. The actors didn't have a chance to talk
him out of it, and couldn't phone TPTB at this time of night, or it would
probably have been corrected!
Cloudrider
----- Original Message -----
From: mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:08 PM
Subject: Natalie's birthday
> Actually, this is a good example of a continuity glitch because they didn't
> care. Yes, that's right. They didn't care. I once got a chance to ask John
> Kapelos at a con about Myra's Amazing Resurrecting Mother.
> As for Nat's birthday, it first appears in Only the Lonely. Not only is the
> time clearly summer in the park scene, but a calendar which clearly says
> either JAN or JUN is visible in the background. Since the weather couldn't
> possibly Toronto in January, it follows that Nat's birthday is in June. The
> April 14th thing is simply wrong.
>
> McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
> "That will be trouble".
> Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
> mclisa@m.......
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:48:45 -0400
From: Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224)
I'm in the process of organizing the war! Think *gullible idiot* -- you
won't be the first.
Can I get some discussion here on what manner of organization you guys prefer?
To whit:
as they dropped
as the action really occurred (which, too often, has little to do with
when they dropped)
by day
by post
by faction
by prominent story arc (if so, name prominent story arcs other than War
Premise)
Thanks!
Bonnie, the new Cousinly-Receptionist with down-time now that the war is over
"Have Post-It Note, Will Note And Post It"
(still not the llama)
<callalily@l.......>
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:11:17 -0400
From: knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224)
Bonnie, here's wishing you good luck. That sounds like a mighty big job and I
don't envy you. But my choice would be chronological order.
- Grace
N&NP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Kate" <callalily@l.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224)
> I'm in the process of organizing the war! Think *gullible idiot* -- you
> won't be the first.
>
> Can I get some discussion here on what manner of organization you guys prefer?
>
> To whit:
> as they dropped
> as the action really occurred (which, too often, has little to do with
> when they dropped)
> by day
> by post
> by faction
> by prominent story arc (if so, name prominent story arcs other than War
> Premise)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bonnie, the new Cousinly-Receptionist with down-time now that the war is over
> "Have Post-It Note, Will Note And Post It"
> (still not the llama)
> <callalily@l.......>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:21:16 -0500
From: mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Not just a glitch
There are two reasons why I still think the Myra's mother thing was an
example of not caring.
1. I didn't just read this in an interview. I actually asked JK. He seemed
to think it was example of their not caring, or at least of underestimating
the fans.. It wasn't that they couldn't call, but that they wouldn't. With
a show that normally shot at night, all night, there had to be someone
available to be called if necessary. It's possible that Ger thinks it was an
example of a guest director being careless, but John didn't seem to think
so. Ger wasn't in the scene, after all, whereas John was the one who argued
with the director. Of course, the line never should have made it to the
shooting script to begin with, but at least that's most likely just a
mistake by whoever did the script edit.
2. The line "she's in Tampa with her her mother" could easily have been
fixed in post by cutting "with her mother." CBS's contains numerous examples
of cuts where we only got part of a line. To cite one that isn't often
mentioned, remember the scene in Cherry Blossoms where Nat appears to snap
Nick's head off for asking for more details about the blood in the murder
car? I'd always thought of that as "Nat's attack of PMS" until I saw the
full scene in the Canadian version. The lines we didn't get come from the
part where she apologizes. She's just been told budget cuts will require
staff layoffs and she's worried about her people, who have families and
whose skills are not exactly in demand.
McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:32:38 -0400
From: Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224)
At 03:48 PM 7/22/01 -0400, Bonnie(not the llama) wrote:
>I'm in the process of organizing the war!
>Think *gullible idiot* -- you won't be the first.
><snip-ed, she's also> the new Cousinly-Receptionist
ROFL. (I'm thinking *gullible idiot*, may be an understatement,
masochistic comes to mind as both jobs are rather ... self-destructive.)
>Can I get some discussion here on what manner of organization you guys
prefer?
Among your choices, I think what I'd prefer is:
> as the action really occurred
I'm assuming this would be as indicated by the date & time the post is
labeled by the author and also taking into account any "before another post"
or "after another post" labels they may also have.
Arletta
co-creator Vitamin U
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:46:11 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jul 2001 to 21 Jul 2001 (#2001-224)
Bonnie wrote:
> I'm in the process of organizing the war! <snip>
> Can I get some discussion here on what manner of organization you
> guys prefer?
I vote for "as the action occurred"!
Marymcombs@e....... N&Npacker
http:\\www.erols.com\mcombs
"RL=Real Life. It's that stuff that keeps happening that gets in the way of
that other stuff."--Sue Clark
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:52:31 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Not just a glitch
McLisa wrote about CBS's cuts where we only got part of a line:
>...remember the scene in Cherry Blossoms where Nat appears to snap
> Nick's head off for asking for more details about the blood in the murder
> car? <snip> The lines we didn't get come from the part where she
> apologizes. She's just been told budget cuts will require staff layoffs..
Another gravely misleading cut is in False Witness, in the scene in the
parking garage. Nick tells Nat he's 800 years old, he knows right from
wrong, and she stops, with an odd expression on her face. Cut there, it
looks as if she's doubting his statement. But actually, she has caught a
whiff of Myra's super strong sunblock, provided by Schanke in another scene
cut from the ep. The sunblock is scented with coconut, and Nat's next line
is: "Do you smell pina coladas?"
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker
http:\\www.erols.com\mcombs
"RL=Real Life. It's that stuff that keeps happening that gets in the way of
that other stuff."--Sue Clark
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:44:36 -0400
From: knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: Not just a glitch
> 2. The line "she's in Tampa with her her mother" could easily have been
> fixed in post by cutting "with her mother." CBS's contains numerous examples
> of cuts where we only got part of a line. To cite one that isn't often
> mentioned, remember the scene in Cherry Blossoms where Nat appears to snap
> Nick's head off for asking for more details about the blood in the murder
> car? I'd always thought of that as "Nat's attack of PMS" until I saw the
> full scene in the Canadian version. The lines we didn't get come from the
> part where she apologizes. She's just been told budget cuts will require
> staff layoffs and she's worried about her people, who have families and
> whose skills are not exactly in demand.
>
> McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
> "That will be trouble".
> Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
> mclisa@m.......
I don't understand why they couldn't have changed one simple word. Instead of
having Schanke say mother, why not aunt, sister, cousin, friend, etc. There
were so many ways to go with that one.
- Grace
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