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FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Jul 2001 to 20 Jul 2001 (#2001-223)

Fri, 20 Jul 2001

There are 6 messages totalling 280 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. WAR: My answers to the questions (3)
  2. FK Music Videos (2)
  3. His Father's Son


Date:    Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:48:21 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: WAR: My answers to the questions

I know the idea was to solve these within the framework of the fiction, but
the more I pored over them, the more serious they got, and the less likely
to be workable in a post of fiction. So if you'll bear with me being
serious for a few...

 >1) Variance in fan fiction interpretations leading to conflict
 >and disagreement over which characters are genuine.

No "bible" exists for the definition of writing a character -- only
precedence. While the series was being written, a canonical bible evolved
by combination of fiat (writer's bible) and precedence (aired episode). The
bible any new writer comes up with will be a combination of canonical and
non-canonical data. As more and more fanfic appears, the amount of
noncanonical data in a writer's bible will increase, leading to greater
divergence of characterizations.

 >2) Deficiency in Vitamin U leading to personality disorders.

(a) It's a misprint: it's supposed to be 'Vitamin YOU'. Mr. Rogers used to
sing, "You are special" and say that you make each day a special day "by
just you being you." If you don't have enough YOU in you... you morph into
something, somebody else... like the characters morphed into each other.
(b) Each of us needs the "you" that is the rest of fandom. For some of our
friends here, these lists -- this fandom -- these people -- WE --are a
source of sanity, and part of their path back from what some people might
describe as "personality disorders".

 >3) Mercs giving away free chocolate.

(a) Like Mildred said: a marketing ploy. But it could indicate that the
Mercs are evolving from soldiers-of-fortune into business(wo)men -- from an
arguably less stable to an arguably more stable social form... One might
therefore consider it indicative of a "coming of age" of those who War, an
understanding of, and comfort with, those deficiencies in our 'real lives'
which we have come to fandom, fanfic, and fictionWarring to fulfill (see
"Vitamin YOU deficiency, above).
(b) You must give love/comfort/aid to receive it. Following the Law of
Three, whatever you do will return to you three-fold -- so *giving away*
the candy is what makes brings the Mercs *profit*.
(c) Fanfiction is a sort of "candy" to the fannish reader. By its very
definition, it cannot be sold for profit. By writing fiction, and by
participating in Wars, we are all in a sense "giving away free candy".

 >4) The wrong ice cream cones are intersecting in secret
 >physics lab on U of TO campus

This was probably the hardest one for me to grok.
(a) In the context of War 11, this could mean merely the wrong
personalities in the wrong bodies, or the "wrong" interpretations of Mary
Sue's mind.
(b) We may be too conscious of ourselves, and not conscious enough of
everyone else in our enclave -- whether they be other fans, mundanes,
canonical characters, War-universe characters, or Non-Player-Characters
(NPCs) of any description.
(c) Perhaps we should not rail at what is not *perfect* (e.g.,
characterization of Nick or Lacroix), but accept instead what there *is*,
as it is.

 >5) Asteroid files missing from observatory. (Check with aliens)

Persons new to writing in a given fan fiction universe may not be familiar
with all the canon and writers' guides that define the characters -- in
other words, they're missing the "files" that make their characterizations
more canonical, their situations more realistic. In this sense, these
writers and their characterizations are alien to the canonical universe,
and the canonical universe is alien to them.

 >6) Llama has communal dung pile in her 'Relationship Paddock'

Fandom is a community; fans develop relationships. We share the same
"primordial ooze" (canon/agreed-upon apocrypha) and we all have some
writings that are worthy of the dung pile. Still, dung, when aged, becomes
manure -- which nourishes the plants that nourish us. Sometimes, we just
need someone to tell us, "you stink" -- and sometimes, we need to take that
manure as a basis for honing our writing skills -- nourishing our "inner
writer", as it were.

 >7) Old, Dead Guy reanimated in Nunkies Anonymous
 >Shrine is ready to destroy everyone.

(a) Writing in someone else's universe, using characters that are someone
else's property (see "communal dung pile", above), we live with the
constant threat of a "bogeyman" (i.e., the property owners and/or their
agents) telling us we may no longer write fanfic, and/or forcing us to
remove our existing fanfic from all channels of publication and
distribution (i.e., destroying every one of our "children", and destroying
our ability to create more).
(b) The bogeyman of bad fanfic can warp the characterization of all the
personnages to the point that they are unrecognizable (i.e., destroyed) --
like the Old, Dead Guy did to the Shrine.
(c) The Old, Dead Guy was behind the massacre of characters and
characterizations that defined FK Season 3 (canon).

 >8) Vachon's Amazing and Transcendental Motorbike
 >is lonely. Needs new friend.

         "A bell is no bell 'til you ring it;
         A song is no song 'til you sing it;
         And love in your heart wasn't put there to stay --
         Love isn't love 'til you give it away..."
                 --"Sixteen Going on Seventeen (reprise)
                         Oscar Hammerstein II, "The Sound of Music"

(a) No matter what fictional enterprise we dream up for our characters --
realistic or not, canonical or not -- it means nothing if we can't share it
with friends and fellow fen.
(b) In the same vein, each writer is an Amazing and Transcendental Person,
reaching out to find relationships through the medium of fiction, as is
each reader, reaching out to new friends through familiar characters and

 >9) Fried war brain cells replaced by fried real life brain cells.

When real life is tough, many of us "escape" to fandom to unfry our brains.
As we exit the War, we put down the frazzle of 2+ weeks of fiction-fried
brains and raise again the banners of our hectic lives. In similar manner,
the symptoms that afflicted Our Favorite Vamps during the War and have left
*them* frazzled will be replaced by whatever "reality" they might
experience when we are *not* observing them. In short, by ceasing to
observe this anomaly, it will cease to exist.

Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos:  https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/


Date:    Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:39:19 -0000
From:    StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

Hoo-boy...you actually *thought* about all this?  I'm afraid, Brenda, very

Cousin, Ravenette, Seducer, Dark Trinity, FKPagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......


Date:    Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:41:56 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: My answers to the questions

I have to agree on that.  Didn't TPTB violate their own "bible" when
they did the "Curioser and curioser" episode, which had everyone
acting out of character -- yes, it was a dream, but still.  And who's
not to say that a drastic event might change how characters react to


--- Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......> wrote:
1) Variance in fan fiction interpretations leading to conflict and
disagreement over which characters are genuine. No "bible" exists for
the definition of writing a character -- only precedence.


Date:    Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:05:35 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK Music Videos

Oh my...... those were great!!  I enjoyed every second (well, maybe not the
downloading of the WinZip and Media Player programs <g>) of those videos.

Brava!  Especially the one - Angels Would Fall - since that's the only song of
the three with which I'm familiar.

- Grace
aka knightfangs@h.......

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eve Dutton" <umdutto3@c.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:56 AM
Subject: FK Music Videos

> I finally managed to get my 3 music videos up on the web; I zipped them up
> and made them pretty small (about 20 minutes uploading time for me, and I've
> got a 56k connection) without losing too much of the picture quality. They
> should play on any Windows Media Player or compatible system (a friend of
> mine test downloaded for me and the video worked for her). Check them out at
> https://www.angelfire.com/mb/malecandra/fkvideos.html
> Feedback appreciated!
> Eve
> umdutto3@c.......


Date:    Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:06:15 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Music Videos

>Brava!  Especially the one - Angels Would Fall - since that's the only song of
>the three with which I'm familiar.

I'm using a lot of Canadian music for the vids--I've actually gotten a few
e-mails about where I got the songs from. I'm working on a couple more right
now, one about Nick and Janette, both to Sarah McLachlan songs.



Date:    Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:07:35 -0500
From:    monica rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: His Father's Son

does anyone know about its availability on audio yet?  of course, I'm assuming
Nigel would be reading if this was done.  the first was AWESOME on tape.

still here and
always luscious lucius lover

>From: Crowe Highlander <GldnEgl62@a.......>
>BTW, has anybody read "My Brother's Keeper" yet? Keeper of the King was cool
>and all but WHY does the cover have Dunn in a cowboy hat with the Dallas sky
>line in the background?


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