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FORKNI-L Digest - 1 Oct 2000 to 2 Oct 2000 (#2000-306)

Mon, 2 Oct 2000

There are 15 messages totalling 608 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. [FK Fanfiction Web Ring]
  2. KtK auction update, Sunday
  3. Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay
  4. quick question
  5. Knight School - Ep110 - Dead Air
  6. Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay (again)
  7. Musings on Nick's nature (was Re: Nick and Crosses) (3)
  8. The Immortal **Can't Find It** Or Other New Related Shows **FOUND**
  9. Catherine Disher alert
 10. FK Fanfiction Web Ring
 11. Plausible LaCroixs, and Touching Priests (2)


Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:30:19 PDT
From:    Gladys Bears <rockiebears@n.......>
Subject: Re: [FK Fanfiction Web Ring]

Jill Kirby <kirby@e.......> wrote:
> So as of Sunday, October 8, the existing FK fanfiction webring is going
> away.

It would be a great loss for all of us, don't you think?

> If anyone wants to start another ring, feel free

Is there someone who will do it?
If not, would you let me try? We wouldn't need any ring provider, because
there are free cgi-scripts that allow us to make our own webring.



Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:22:36 EDT
From:    Knightwave@a.......
Subject: KtK auction update, Sunday

Hey all.  Here's the first update on the KtK auction.  Please pass it on to
any loops that would be interested and please excuse any crossposting I'm
doing now.

Send all bids to me at Knightwave@a........  Include Item name and #, amount
of bid and name you want listed with bid.  Please place bid or auction in
header.  Starting tomorrow, everyone bidding will be placed on a bidders list
for current updates.  I'll post several as they are warranted <smile>  The
auction may now be accessed through the KtK website, which may be accessed
through *any* of the following urls:


Auction Update -- Sunday, October 1, 2000, 7:00pm
Notice any errors?  Please contact me at knightwave@a....... with the

     #1    $                     License plate, cap, pin
     #2    $                     autographed NB (Hamlet) poster
     #3    $                     Conspiracy of Fear tape, tag
     #4    $                     NB photo, autographed Daily Variety magazine
     #5    $                     FK Prop- Tracy's business card & pic
     #6    $                     False Witness script, keychain
     #7    $25.00   Emily        Fanzines
     #8    $                     Beanie baby Rat, Greg Kramer autograph
     #9    $30.00   SHand        Fate Worse Than Death script & prop
    #10   $                      A More Permanent Hell script, tag
    #11   $                      The Fix script, Natalie keychain
    #12   $                      Ribena box autographed by NBennet, glass
    #13   $                      Program autographed by Greg Kramer,
                                    suncatcher, book
    #14   $                      For I Have Sinned script, N&N tag
    #15   $                      Dying For Fame script, Nick tag
    #16   $                      Dance By the Light of the Moon script, Nick tag
    #17   $50.00    Marti E      2001 Calendar
    #18   $                      Killer Instinct script
    #19   $                      Loads of autographs from Light, Camera, Auction
    #20   $                      Xtra issues with Greg's story featured (sensitive
                                    subject matter -- consult web page for info)
    #21   $                      FoD's Cookbook, magnet
    #22   $25.00    Emily        FoD's cookbook & KtK button

Thanks for everyone's participation.  We really appreciate your support.



Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:22:46 -0400
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

Raven Breena wrote:
>1.  Has Nick ever made a vampire that survived?  We're 0 for 2 so far.

Serena in Baby, Baby.

>2.  What do you think the major cause of Ritchie's downfall was?

I think Richard showed evidence of believing he was invincible and things
would go his way *before* he was brought over.  His vampirism just
intensified these natural traits.

>3.  What do you think will happen when Sarah's hypno-suggestion wears off?
>(He's got a bad track record there, too.)

I don't think it will wear off.  I don't think there's huge evidence that Nick
can't hypnotize people just as well as any other vampire.  The times we
have seen him fail he's either been weakened by something or is dealing
with a strong willed person.

>4.  Why didn't Nick use up some of that sick time and properly take care of
>his new charge?

Probably because he didn't want to be considered the same type of
"father" as LC.

>5.  Do you think LaCroix knew about this?

I doubt it.  I think LC was off licking his wounds after being staked by Nick.

Ligeia wrote:
>succeeded because she was very meticulous (she'd looked into Nick's
>background) and self-possessed.

Interesting idea, but I'm not sure I agree.  Vachon, the Inca, and Urs all
seemed to do okay as vampires without having any particular character
traits that would lead one to suspect that they would survive as vampires.
Urs even wanted to die as a mortal.

Barb wrote:
>Thinking about Serena raises a question for me.  Would Nick have stayed with
>her, and tried to help her cope, if she hadn't basically thrown him out?

We don't really know that that's what happened.  We know that Nick told
her that he couldn't be responsible for her, but realizing what a mistake he
made in bringing her across, I think his guilt would have been enough that
he would have insisted on giving her at least some basic training (there has
to be *some* reason that Nick would be so jealous and possessive of her
in the present).  And Serena was intelligent enough to have taken that much
from him, I think.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie


Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:28:22 -0400
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Re: quick question

Becky wrote:
>  He can say he
>doesn't kill all he wants, but the fact is he killed numerous folks after the
>ballerina episode.  A whole squad of East German police/soldiers in "1966"
>immediately springs to mind, but there were plenty of others,

As I've said on this list before, I do not recall seeing any evidence that Nick
*bit* the East German police/soldiers.  Killed them certainly, but not by a
vampire attack imo.  And were there "plenty of others"?  I only recall the
female he thought was a spy in Outside the Lines being killed by biting.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie


Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:36:47 -0400
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep110 - Dead Air

Cousin Raven wrote:
> >1.  Would Nick make a good DJ?

Yes, I think so.  I think he has a sexy voice.  I can see him hosting a
classical music show.

> >2.  Would Schanke make a good DJ?

Yes, I think he would.  Probably on some classic rock show.

> >3.  Do you believe pop-psychologists can help people?


> >4.  Do you think this was a foreshadowing of LaCroix coming back as a DJ?

No.  LC was already a DJ in Dark Knight.

> >5.  Who is your favorite DJ and why?  (Doesn't have to be FK).

I don't have one currently.  I don't listen to the radio much anymore.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie


Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:55:23 -0400
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay (again)

Lorelei wrote:
>Also, Nick is not an emotionally balanced vampire.  His confusion must pass
>on to his children through his blood.  I think that is why his vampire child
>Serene also wants to find mortality again.

While I can agree with the first sentence, I can't agree with the rest.  (By
your theory, Nick should have taken on some of LC's traits when LC
brought him over.)  I think Serena wanted to find mortality again because
she never really wanted to be a vampire in the first place.  I think she would
have wanted to be mortal again regardless of which vampire brought her

>Infant vampires need close supervision.  Nick wasn't "mature" enough to be a

I think it's wrong to put all the failure for Richard on Nick too.  Infant
vampires do *not* necessarily need close supervision (Vachon and the Inca had
*one* night of training).  If Nick was not mature enough to be a master, why
then does LC let him bring over the doctor in the flashback of Fever?  And
except for the doctor thinking he was so far above mortals that he couldn't be
stopped, he otherwise seemed to be rational (which would seem to argue
against Nick passing on "confusion" in his blood).

>Nick hadn't wanted to bring him across, and so he was very
>distraught, and those powerful emotions pelted the new convert.

Now this statement I can agree with.  However, I don't think that these
feelings would have made Richard go off the deep end.  Wouldn't those
feelings have instead led Richard to consider his vampire life as not
worth living and make him want to destroy himself instead?

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie


Date:    Mon, 2 Oct 2000 03:05:05 GMT
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante26@h.......>
Subject: Re: Musings on Nick's nature (was Re: Nick and Crosses)

Hi Portia:

Thanks for your message.  Unfortunately, my stories are all in paper draft
form at the moment.  (Good news though:  I am currently in the process of
transferring the stories from my notebooks into the word processor so that
they can go to the fanfic list.  Once they are there, I will probably create
a link on my personal site to them.)

By the way, I just asked this question to our listowner....How does one find
a Beta Reader for stories?  Just curious.

Thanks for the thoughts and for writing.  Back to that third story now...



>From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: Re: Musings on Nick's nature (was Re: Nick and Crosses)
>Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:16:32 -0400
>Oooh, David!  I would very much like to read your stuff, if I haven't
>already (avid reader and searcher for FK fic, here).  What is your Web
>Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
>This is something that I have written a few FK stories in my personal
>archives (and something that I wish to explore more indepth in future
>tales).  Look for these tales in the near future on the fan fiction


Date:    Mon, 2 Oct 2000 03:06:16 GMT
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante26@h.......>
Subject: Re: Musings on Nick's nature (was Re: Nick and Crosses)

Hi Everyone:

My apologies for posting that last message to the list.

Gotta watch that reply button....

Mea Culpa.



Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:43:33 EDT
From:    Billie Lee <McCelt2000@a.......>
Subject: Re: The Immortal **Can't Find It** Or Other New Related Shows **FOUND**

In a message dated 9/30/00 10:26:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Mskathighlander@a....... writes:

> I looked in my tv guide and the show is supposed to air on monday.  And found
>  out from Billie-Lee that its showing on the wb channel.  I live in Central
>  Time Zone.  I would like more information from anybody offlist.

I found An FK Alumni (someone had to remind me <waves>) Lisa Ryder in
Adromeda...the web shows it on the WB at 4:00 pm PDT on Oct 8th, The Immortal
is listed at 4pm on Sat Oct 7th on KNTV and Sun Oct 8th at noon on the WB,
and the Queen of Swords is listed at Sat 7th at 4 pm and Sunday 10 pm on UPN.

No sign of Sheena yet, but I am sure she will show up.

Many thanks to my FK and Highlander friends who helped me out with this, my
mail box is chock full of info so here's a big two-group


Sorry, didn't mean to shout :>)

Forever Yours,
Forever Peace,


Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:20:48 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Musings on Nick's nature (was Re: Nick and Crosses)

Hi back at ya, David!

Just finished reading your apology for posting our msgs to the list. "g"
The good thing about it is that you have effectively begun addressing your
own question!

Basically, you post  a msg to this list requesting assistance from
beta-readers. Those with the time and inclination will send you a reply.
If I'm free when you get ready, and you wanna take a chance on me, I'd be
pleased to give your stuff a shot.

Anyone else willing to offer?



Date:    Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:54:12 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Catherine Disher alert

Here's when those of you who still need Dear America: Winter of the Red Snow
can find it.

Mon 2   4:00 PM  Dear America: Winter of Red Snow  23  HBO
Sat 7  10:30 AM  Dear America: Winter of Red Snow  23  HBO



Date:    Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:55:11 -0700
From:    "Jan J." <jonesjan@g.......>
Subject: Re: FK Fanfiction Web Ring

-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Kirby <kirby@e.......>

>I've been the ring manager for the FK fanfiction web ring for several years
>now.  Yahoo has now acquired WebRing, and with that acquisition comes
>Yahoo's "perpetual ownership" terms of service which I (and many writers)
>are extremely uncomfortable with.  I won't let my work be subject to those
>conditions, and I know a lot of other people feel the same way.
>So as of Sunday, October 8, the existing FK fanfiction webring is going
>away.  If you have the ring coding on your page, you'll want to delete it--
>because it won't work as of the above date.

Jill, I felt the same way you do.  That's why two days after Yahoo took over
I dissolved my webring "Fans of Forever Knight". I was lucky and had only
one bounced e-mail.  But just to be on the safe site I thought I'd send a
notice to the main list letting everyone know who still has the html fragment
and gif pictures to please remove them from their webpage.

If anyone is still interested in maintaining the old look of there webring
nav bars.  I found http://www.ringsurf.com/ to have a similar look and
feel to what webring.com use to be.

Jan (a.k.a. Dark Knightie Jan, Jan1228)

WebMistress of: 'The Dark Knight Lair'- http://www.alpinemeadow.com/fk/
Please vote for TDKL at:

List Assistant to: fkxs * Forever Knight Cross Stitchers
Owner of: Yahoo! Clubs - Forever Knight  CERK Radio


Date:    Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:51:34 -0400
From:    urtikit@m.......
Subject: Plausible LaCroixs, and Touching Priests

Several topics in one!

Diane wonders about LC & Nick:
>Do we know for sure whether LaCroix actually forced Nick to stay in his
>company at any time?  I'm trying to recall a time in canon in which that
>happened, and I'm drawing a blank.

LaCroix comes close in Father's Day -- that reunion in
LA is downright coerced.
But if you mean did we ever see LaCroix lock Nick up, or
physically drag him home with him, then I think not.

>2.  Have we ever, onscreen, seen LaCroix injure Nick, and has their
>relationship ever come to blows, before Dark Knight?  Again...  blank...

Dark Knight, Father's Day, Trophy Girl, and Curioser & Curioser to
name the ones that pop immediatly into my head.
(Note: C&C might be an hallucination on Nick's part,
but one could argue that it proves Nick expects that
sort of treatment from LaCroix.)

>3.  We do know that Nick has fled and LaCroix has followed, for
>instance, in Capitol Offense.  But in that case, do we know if Nick
>was fleeing from LC, or from someone/something else?

It wasn't stated, IIRC.  He was fleeing an angry mob, but where he'd
been before that isn't clear.  We only know that Nick had told LaCroix,
at some time previous, that he wanted out.  Whether he fled or just
walked out is up for grabs.

>We do know that Nick fled LaCroix in the
>events of Father's Day (at least, if I remember correctly, tell me if
>I'm wrong).  Did it ever occur elsewhere in the FK timeline?

Cherry Blossoms, perhaps, when LC comes after Nick at the
acupunturist's shop.  It's one of my favorite LC lines, in fact -- Nick
protests that he's left, he doesn't want to associate with LC anymore,
and LC replies, "It's not your choice."   The guy's bold, if nothing
else.  :-)

>4.  Have we ever seen LaCroix do anything cruel to Nick and/or friends
>that was not related to the whole "You should embrace what you
>are!" scenario?

That depends -- it could be argued that almost everything LC
does to Nick relates to that scenario, in some way. :)
But Trophy Girl might count.  Tonight's Lesson: don't mooch
food off LaCroix's plate.

Emily then asks:
>Now I have another question:  Do priests themselves have any effect on
>vampires?  I mean, just by virtue of being a priest?

In FIHS, Nick seemed very reluctant to shake hands with the priest
when they first meet outside the church.  Make of that what you will.
It's also interesting that Nick gets so angry, even hostile, with the priest
later at the precinct.  Could it be that Nick's discomfort is provoking some
of his harsh response?
Then again, he didn't have trouble touching Marion, an
almost-shaman.  Dunno, just speculating here.



Date:    Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:31:05 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Plausible LaCroixs, and Touching Priests

Very insightful comments, but I laughed out loud at the one below:

Forever Knight TV show Kit wrote:

"Tonight's Lesson: don't mooch food off LaCroix's plate."

A lesson we all should keep in mind...especially Natalie.... "eg"

Portia (with, for some inexplicable reason, a vision of Nick standing with his
nose pressed in the corner.... "g")

PS. I like Kit's take on why Nick was so excessively angry at the Priest, but
maybe he was also transfering something else -- he's angry at himself for
turning his back on his faith and so directs that anger at a representative of
that faith.  It's an idea....


Date:    Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:43:54 EDT
From:    Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Re: LANGUAGES

Recently there have been questions and comments about the languages that GER
(especially) and also Nigel Bennett and Ben Bass speak. I forwarded one of
the posts to the Ben Bass Fan Club list and asked there, and Jean, prez of
the BBFC who even actually knows The AWESOME and Very Talented Mr. Ben Bass
himself (!!!) replied and told me I could re-post here!

FWD from the bbfc list--

Jean Freund, President of the Official Ben Bass Fan Club wrote:
To: bbfc@e.......
Subject: Re: [bbfc] Fwd: FK-L Digest- LANGUAGES

Ben speaks English, a little Spanish, and French.
He knows a smattering of other languages (phrases or words, nothing
considered fluent - Punjab, Turkish, German).

{{{Thanks, Jean!}}}

Angel a.k.a. Doņa Angel
Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious Spaniard/Future Proud Vaq
Brat/VaqDreamer/INCArnate/with Immortal Beloveds,Ravenette,Urchin &
DarkHearts Tendencies
Check out BBFC Web site: http://www.benbassfanclub.com


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