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FORKNI-L Digest - 11 Jul 2000 to 12 Jul 2000 (#2000-206)

Wed, 12 Jul 2000

There are 28 messages totalling 848 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Wolfeville (2)
  2. Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act (7)
  3. Blood and religious objects (4)
  4. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects] (7)
  5. Religious/magical/Nat & the death penalty
  6. Religious vs. magical objects
  7. Nick and the religious nature of the Mayan Cup
  8. Remote-Controlled Fireplaces
  9. Last Act, religion and language
 10. Divia's flying
 11. Admin: 4 line quote limit
 12. Nick and Francesca (ad nauseum)

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:14:55 -0500
From:    Barbara Aszman Stone <StoneB@g.......>
Subject: Wolfeville

I've got tickets for Wolfeville but no lodging.  Is there anyone
out there who has found lodging & who would like to have another
person to share costs with?  I'm willing to bring sleeping bag &
sleep on floor.
Please reply off-list.
        B. Stone
        stoneb@g.......

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:48:39 EDT
From:    Ceily Trog <Fk4ever1228@a.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

<<Actually, the most drool worthy scene ever, for me, was that scene (can't
remember the ep title) where Nick was trying to mesmerize that female hunter.
 Standing in the shadow of the alley, his right (?)cheek scored (poor baby!),
that to-die-for GQ suit with long coat, the wind blowing slightly, and his
eyes staring intensley and compellingly into hers, his hand out
beckoning....How did she *ever* resist???>>

I'm with you, Portia!!!

The episode was "Hunted".  The first time I saw it, I cracked my head on the
TV screen when Nick said, "Come to me...."

fk4ever

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:05:51 +0200
From:    Lorin <vachesang@s.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

On Sunday, July 09, 2000 10:24 AM, raven@n....... wrote:

> impressed!)  He pours himself some 'wine' and hears her voice, "Are you a
> burden, Nicholas?"  Slowly, he pushes the button and opens a blind. The
> sunlight streams in.  He sticks his pinkie in it and it smokes.  A second
> later he removes it and looks at it.

His finger looks wet.  IIRC, they used some weird mix of chemicals to
make the vampires 'smoke', something which irritated the actors' skin.
Like the contact lenses, they found something better for the 2nd/3rd
season.  Anyone remember this?

Debi McK      vachesang@s.......
FKP, NNPacker, and very, very UFfish... strange but true!

"They say if you love someone, let them go.  If they're really yours,
they will learn their lessons and return.  You will come back, Nicholas.
I can wait.  I have all the time in the world..." -- LaCroix

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:28:29 EDT
From:    Ladynoire@a.......
Subject: Re: Blood and religious objects

In a message dated 7/11/2000 12:42:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:

<< That definitely makes sense. As Barb further said, Nick may not have drunk
 from a Mayan. Certainly it's unlikely that he ever had the chance to drink
 from one in the period in which the donor would regard the cup as sacred.
  >>

This is not necessarily correct.  If Nick was brought across in 1286, he most
certainly could have encountered the Mayan culture at it's height.  Mayan
culture did not disapper until approximately the late 14th - early 15th
century.  So it is possible that in his wanderings, Nick may have gone to the
New World.

Just my two cents worth

Carol, the post modern professional vampire du jour

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:34 -0500
From:    Kalira Isbell <KaliraRael@w.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

Portia wrote:

<<Actually, the most drool worthy scene ever, for me, was that scene
(can't remember the ep title) where Nick was trying to mesmerize that
female hunter.>>

I believe the title of that ep was "Hunters".  Someone correct me if I'm
wrong.

I agree........drool, drool!!!  And that LINE.... "Come to me....."
<sigh......THUD>

KaliraRael

Dark Knightie, Caddywhack, Nick's Harem, FK Pagan, GWDFC, DMZ, KiD
KaliraRael@w.......

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good
with ketchup!

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:58:48 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

Lorain wrote:
>
> His finger looks wet.  IIRC, they used some weird mix of chemicals to
> make the vampires 'smoke', something which irritated the actors' skin.
> Like the contact lenses, they found something better for the 2nd/3rd
> season.  Anyone remember this?
>
I seem to remember someone posting that they used ammonia mixed with some
other stuff which probably created the equivalent of dry ice.  I've
(stupidly) touched dry ice after I was told not to and can vouch for the
fact that it stings. :-)

Barb

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:40:54 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Blood and religious objects

In a message dated 07/11/2000 4:29:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
Ladynoire@a....... writes:

<< This is not necessarily correct.  If Nick was brought across in 1286, he
 most certainly could have encountered the Mayan culture at it's height.  Mayan
 culture did not disapper until approximately the late 14th - early 15th
 century.  So it is possible that in his wanderings, Nick may have gone to the
 New World. >>

Nick's conversion was 1228.  The Mayan culture may have been in it's height,
but exploration and navigation weren't.  Europe didn't "discover" the New
World until 1492, and we've been shown no evidence that vampires other than
Divia can fly such distances.  Even if you conjecture that Nick flew (vamp
style) to Germany for the events in "1966",  I find if doubtful that a vamp
as young as Nick during the time of the Mayan civilization would have had the
power to fly such a distance.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:46:24 EDT
From:    Ladynoire@a.......
Subject: Re: Blood and religious objects

In a message dated 7/11/2000 8:42:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Laudon1965@a....... writes:

<< Even if you conjecture that Nick flew (vamp
 style) to Germany for the events in "1966",  I find if doubtful that a vamp
 as young as Nick during the time of the Mayan civilization would have had the
 power to fly such a distance. >>


I was actually suggesting that he may have sailed to the New World, not that
he *flew*, per se ...

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:00:37 CDT
From:    "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

Um, just a question, but why would Nick have
to fly that distance all at once?  IMHO he
could have taken several weeks or months to
go cross-country flying at night and resting
during the day, feeding on the occasional
mortal (or cow). <g>

Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
In a message dated 07/11/2000 4:29:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
Ladynoire@a....... writes:

Nick's conversion was 1228.  The Mayan culture may have been in it's
height,but exploration and navigation weren't.  Europe didn't "discover" the
New World until 1492, and we've been shown no evidence that vampires other
than Divia can fly such distances.  Even if you conjecture that Nick flew
(vamp style) to Germany for the events in "1966",  I find if doubtful that a
vamp as young as Nick during the time of the Mayan civilization would have had
the power to fly such a distance.

Laurie of the Isles


Emily M. Hanson

http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:04:09 CDT
From:    "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

Yep.  He could have done the Count Dracula maneuver.
Except that modern-day Nick wouldn't be caught
dead in a coffin, on a ship or otherwise. (Although
it would make a pretty funny gag for a fanfic.)

Emily

Ladynoire@a....... wrote:
In a message dated 7/11/2000 8:42:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Laudon1965@a....... writes:

I was actually suggesting that he may have sailed to the New World, not that
he *flew*, per se ...


Emily M. Hanson

http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:36:23 -0400
From:    urtikit@m.......
Subject: Religious/magical/Nat & the death penalty

Les GS wrote:
> That means
>some religious symbols repel vampires and others do not.

Another possible support for this idea -- and examples from
within the same religion, no less -- comes to us from False
Witness.
Nick touches the Bible and his hand smokes.  The interesting
bit is when he covertly examines the wound, we see that a burn
in the shape of the cross embossed on the cover has appeared.
The whole surface of his hand didn't burn where it came in contact
with the Bible, only where the cross had been.
So while the form of the cross affects him, the Bible itself does not.
One could say this is because the cross is the actual, sacred
symbol of the religion (or the Light), whereas the Bible, while
revered as the holy word, doesn't carry the same immediate
power.  Just a thought.

But I like Barb's idea of some of the power coming from the blood
of victims, too!

On the Diane's question about Nat's opinion of the death penalty,
I can think of two examples:
In Capital Offense, Nick asks what she thinks and she refuses to
answer -- claiming that it is the sort of question that will keep
them up all night talking.  So no real answer there.  (She might
disagree with Nick, who'd stated he was against it, and not want
to get into a debate.  Or she might not support it either, but just
didn't want to get into a heavy discussion with a vampire right
then -- after all, she had a scrunchy to clean <g>.)
In Undue Process, she says that the criminal, Gault, "should be
dead."  Which sounds like she supports it, at least in that case.
But it could be the stress and the personal involvement talking,
too, so that's not much help either.

These are the only instances where she actually comes close
to the topic that I can recall... unless ... well,
one could take into account her support of Nick's continued
existence -- he is, after all, a serial killer, albeit a reformed one! <g>

Kit
urtikit@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:20:44 -0500
From:    CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

At 08:00 PM 7/11/2000 CDT,Emily wrote:
>why would Nick have to fly that distance all at once?  IMHO he
>could have taken several weeks or months to go cross-country flying at
night >and resting during the day, feeding on the occasional mortal (or
cow). <g>

Unfortunately there aren't a lot of cows in the middle of either the
Atlantic or Pacific oceans.  Not much in the way of land either, so he'd
have to be able to fly nonstop over one of them in order to get to 'the New
World'.  At that time, the polar route was unknown.

Just my two cents,

Marci C (aka Nightlady) G4 & G5 Attendee;Proud Survivor of  Wars 8,9&10;
N&NP;ForverKnick; NH; MadNat; Sr Delight -DSS Convent; KHS;  V4S;
TxKD;KB;GWDFC;NA; FoD; DarkNN;
email: cstar@a......., forevrnite@u.......
Web page: http://www.crosswinds.net/~forevrnite/index.html

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:33:12 -0500
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

> Um, just a question, but why would Nick have
> to fly that distance all at once?  IMHO he
> could have taken several weeks or months to
> go cross-country flying at night and resting
> during the day, feeding on the occasional
> mortal (or cow). <g>

Very few of those in mid-Atlantic. <g>

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:40:10 CDT
From:    "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: Blood and religious objects

See my second post.  Realized this slightly too late,
just after I hit send.

CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......> wrote:

Unfortunately there aren't a lot of cows in the middle of either the
Atlantic or Pacific oceans.  Not much in the way of land either, so he'd
have to be able to fly nonstop over one of them in order to get to 'the New
World'.  At that time, the polar route was unknown.


Emily M. Hanson

http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:46:27 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Religious vs. magical objects

>>Please note that Nick has no problem handling the Mayan religious ritual
>>artifacts in DK.
>
>There's a difference between an object which is used in a religious rite
>and an object which is perceived as a symbolic representation of a
>religious belief.  (Would Nick be sensitive to a communion cup?  I don't
>know actually, as I don't know what sort of religious symbolism it has.  If
>it is seen as a tool, however venerated, in a religious rite, rather than a
>religious symbol in and of itself, I don't think it would.)  The Mayans may
>not have viewed the cups as religious symbols, but rather as magical tools.
> Nick's willingness to use them tends to make this likely.  While Nick
>might have felt all right about using a magical object, I doubt if he would
>about using a religious symbol, as actually using it implies a belief in
>that particular spiritual/religious system.  Using magic only implies you
>believe in magic, as a way to manipulate the world around you. <g>
>
>Les
> Unnamed

Hmmm....I think this is a good view of the situation and a good
explanation, but another thing to consider in the matter of the cups is the
nature of the rite in which they were utilized.  This may be a biased
perception, but it seems to me that many of the Mayan practices were dark
and bloody, seeking to venerate or at least appease Death and it's various
forms and minions.  In that case, then the cups could be of a religious
nature, but of a type that would not be associated with "the Light."  If
this could be considered true, on a spiritual level Nick's use of the cups
would have entailed the use of dark forces or dark magic, and would have
utlimately been contrary to his desire to attain redemption in the
"Christian" sense.  In other words, he may have attained mortality through
use of the cups, but would have remained "damned" and only have increased
the ledger of his evil.

Just a thought,
Portia

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:56:28 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and the religious nature of the Mayan Cup

>My friend Linda Roth has a theory that objects absorb some sort of vibration
>from their users, or people who venerate them and that it is the vibration
>rather than the object itself which affects vampires.
>Cousin McLisa

I very much like this idea!  It seems to me that you are basically saying
that it is the nature/focus/energy of the person handling the object (n the
FKverse, etc., I don't really buy into in the real world) that invests it
with their energy -- that would explain holy water as well.  This part of
your explanation also jibes with my idea that the Mayan cups were used in
dark rituals, but your idea that it was expected that vampires might use
the cups also makes sense.

Thanks, McLisa!
Portia

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:24:34 -0700
From:    Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@h.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

About Nick flying across the Atlantic and visiting the New World, Marci sed:
> Unfortunately there aren't a lot of cows in the middle of either the
> Atlantic or Pacific oceans.  Not much in the way of land either, so he'd
> have to be able to fly nonstop over one of them in order to get to 'the
> New World'.  At that time, the polar route was unknown.

I once worked out a very feasible route going around the Atlantic, with
overday stops in Iceland and Greenland, both of which were developed at the
time. So it's more a matter of Nick taking his time and whammying people to
let him stay when he couldn't travel.

For that matter, there were ships traveling from Europe to Iceland and then
from Iceland to Greenland (and possibly from Greenland to Vinland, depending
on where you believe that is), so he could have traveled that way as well.

Of course, this answer isn't cheesy, so I doubt anyone's going to pay
attention to it. ;-)


Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky                                               FoD
luckyliz@m.......                                     Merc
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz                         Nothers

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:44:17 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

Nancy, Ceily, and KaliraRael all wrote:

Don't forget the "come to meeeee" in that *voice*...

Nancy Kaminski
who should be working but it's more fun to think about Ger... (Agree with
you, sister! P1)


>The episode was "Hunted".  The first time I saw it, I cracked my head on the
>TV screen when Nick said, "Come to me...."
>
>fk4ever (Ceily Trog)
>
 agree........drool, drool!!!  And that LINE.... "Come to me....."
<sigh......THUD>

KaliraRael

Ladies, I am about to head to bed and I want to thank you all for reminding
me of an important element for certain dreams I hope to have tonight! "g"

Portia
Hoping to have Forever (drool-worthy) Knight(s)

PS. Nancy, just wanted to say again that your stories are among my
favorites and I particularly appreciate that you have taken the time to
encourage my little efforts in the past.

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:01:40 EDT
From:    Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Re: Remote-Controlled Fireplaces

In a message dated 7/10/00 10:05:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
jensharding@h....... writes:

<< (A remote controlled fireplace?!?  I've never seen that
 >anywhere else.) >>

::waggles her eyebrows:: *I* have a remote controled fireplace.
it is a gas fireplace, but my remote only turns it on and off.. not how much
heat/color etc etc. but i *do* have one!

::beams::

~~Wolfy Knight

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Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 18:26:19 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

Portia, I'm new to the list, just like to comment on The Stonetree
issue.  I haven't seen all the episodes and although I really liked
Stonetree he always seemed hard on Nick and suspisious of him.  Cohen
was Cohen.  I didn't like her much, but I love Reese.  He seems very
warm and very kind to Nick and always seemed to be there to give him
help if he needed it.  I think he knows what Nick is and admires him
for trying to do good.

Jeannie

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Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 18:28:44 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: Wolfeville

What is Wolfeville?

Jeannie

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:13:25 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

Liz the Lucky wrote:
>
> For that matter, there were ships traveling from Europe to Iceland and then
> from Iceland to Greenland (and possibly from Greenland to Vinland, depending
> on where you believe that is), so he could have traveled that way as well.

Although there isn't any doubt that Vikings settled in North America a
thousand years ago, I'm not sure how much space there would be in a
relatively open ship for a vampire to hide during such a trip.
(Shameless plug: If you're interested, keep an eye out for the traveling
exhibition "Vikings: The North Atlantic Saga" coming to a city near you
- including Ottawa - and check out the website at
http://www.mnh.si.edu/vikings/start.html)

However, it's a long trip from L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland to the
Mayan kingdoms, and I can't imagine why Nick and LaCroix, much less
Janette, would undertake such a journey, given what we've seen of LC's
taste for luxury and power. "Pre-Columbian" Nick, so to speak, was still
very much tied to his vampire family -- and he wasn't yet searching for
a cure, so that wouldn't have been the draw.
-----
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:31:10 -0500
From:    "Janet Dornhoff, DVM" <dornhoff@p.......>
Subject: Last Act, religion and language

"Brenda F. Bell" <bfbell@d.......> spake thusly:
>
>  Gary Farmer played Stonetree in such a way that I think Stonetree
> has a very good idea of what Nick is, but knows better than to let on
> directly -- or to put it differently, Stonetree is doing whatever he can
> to help keep Nick's sunproof closet door closed.

Nicely put.  Yes, now that it's been mentioned, there might be an
element of self-defense to their playing along with his secret.
Wouldn't want to be hypnotised into forgetting!  But I still think
Schanke was hoping that someday, Nick would tell him voluntarily,
and was biding his time til then, for whatever reasons.  So many of
his lines take on a new twist if you think of them as deliberate
openings for Nick or Nat to tell him the truth if they choose...

> > called him
> >by his first name...was that familiar back then?
>
> Depends on how common last names were at the time.

Any history majors or professors out there who can answer this?  How
common were last names during Joan's time?

>  French teachers in the 'seventies noted that a great
> deal of intimacy and personal relationship was required before "tu" was
> generally used; on the other hand, I learned from fluent and native
> speakers in the late 'seventies and early 'eighties that the familiar form
> was quite common between good friends.)

That might be the difference between the more formal and more technically
correct French that is taught in schools and textbooks, and the more
casual French spoken in everyday life.  Or perhaps a difference in the
class or economic status of the speaker?  Language classes tend to teach
the upper-class, respectable version.  I doubt English students in France
learn to speak the way a Southerner or inner city youth speaks.

> I don't think Nick deliberately played a joke on Schanke -- he was stuck
> in there and Schanke seemed quite earnest about having his confession
> heard.

With that look on his face when he realizes who's on the other side
of that screen?  No way!  Nick was definitely putting one over on
Schanke.  I respect the fact that he let Schanke say just enough to
teach him a lesson about the Raven and himself, and then dropped a
big enough hint that Schanke couldn't miss it, so that Schanke wouldn't
go on too long.

> Please note that Nick has no problem handling the Mayan religious ritual
> artifacts in DK.

Since the goblet/cup was apparently designed to cure vampirism, it
seems counterproductive to make it inimical to their touch.

That cure, of course, is an entirely different tangent...the
description of the ritual says that the "blood of the sacrificed
victim" is needed...just who would the modern, good guy Nick,
who no longer presumes to slay the evildoer, choose to sacrifice
in order to complete this ritual?

> >* I remember reading in a biography once that, in her home town,
> >Joan of Arc, the Maid of Orleans, was known as Jeanette...
>
>  "Jeannette" is a diminutive of "Jeanne", her baptismal
> name. Kind of like someone calling a Michael "Mike", or a Thomas
> "Tommy" --

Or calling a Joan, "Joanie."  :-)  Yeah, I know, I just liked
the coincidence, since Nick already knows one Janette so well.


Through the mists of time, Laudon1965@a.......'s voice echoes still:
>
> To many, but not all practicioners, Magic is a part of their religion, and
> the objects used therein have been consecrated and charged, and would hold a
> great deal of power.

Hence my question about a grove used for rituals.  Personally, I've
always figured that a Wiccan would be safe against vampires (and
Highlander immortals) because any time they wanted to, they could
cast a circle and create their own little bit of holy ground!

> To the unethical or untutored, perhaps it is so, but to those with faith and
> respect for the forces of Nature, using magic to "manipulate" nature, events
> or people is anathema.  To the serious and respectful, it is a way of
> honoring the forces of Nature, a way of marking the cycles of life, and
> bringing oneself into harmony with the forces of Nature.

You're using two different definitions of "magic" here, and both of
them are correct, provided it's clear from the context which one
you intend.  So is using "magic" to describe what a magician does.
Some people do tricks with spelling to try to distinguish between
them, but none of those are commonly enough understood to be very
useful.


-Janet   <dornhoff@p.......>
The Forever Vet: NatPacker, Lurker, Watcher, X-Phile, and so much more!
"What the hell's wrong with Nick?"
"You don't want to know, Schanke."
"No, I want to know!"

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:49:09 EDT
From:    Ladynoire@a.......
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Blood and religious objects]

In a message dated 7/12/2000 3:46:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mcombs@e....... writes:

<< "Pre-Columbian" Nick, so to speak, was still
 very much tied to his vampire family -- and he wasn't yet searching for
 a cure, so that wouldn't have been the draw.
 ----- >>

But what about Nick, at the height of his "evil" time period ?  Might he have
joined the conquistadors ?

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:31:50 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep.104 - Last Act

jecklund@l....... wrote:
> Portia, I'm new to the list, just like to comment on The Stonetree
issue.  I haven't seen all the episodes and although I really liked
Stonetree he always seemed hard on Nick and suspisious of him.  Cohen
was Cohen.  I didn't like her much, but I love Reese.  He seems very
warm and very kind to Nick and always seemed to be there to give him
help if he needed it.  I think he knows what Nick is and admires him
for trying to do good.

Jeannie

I liked Reese too, but I would consider his manner to be "concillatory", which
went along with his more "political" nature.  Stonetree was more gruff, but
since I suspect that he "knew" about Nick, I think it was just an indication
that he took it in stride.  Nick had a tendency to do things his way and to
think the rules didn't apply to him (which is understandable), and Stonetree may
have thought that Nick *did* have to play by the rules if he was going to be
involved in the mortal world.  Aside from taking into account Nick's "special"
circumstances, Stonetree wasn't going to play favorites (well, not to a
degree!).

Portia

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:43:58 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Divia's flying

Do we know for certain that even Divia can fly ultra long distances? I don't
recall anything in Ashes to Ashes which says she didn't use the knowledge
she apparently gained from the Egyptian's blood to hop plane for Toronto.
This would be easier than carrying to body that far.

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:58:36 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Admin: 4 line quote limit

Quotations reminder -- only 4 lines of the post on which you are commenting
can be quoted. Otherwise, paraphrase. If you have additional points, then
you can quote a further 4 lines.

Please don't quote the whole message on the theory that you're commenting on
all of it. This defeats the purpose of the rule because it takes up space on
the storage disk for the digest and of course, mailbox space.

Thanks!

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:52 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Nick and Francesca (ad nauseum)

Okay, first to apologize to everyone -- I accidently posted this to the fanfic
list (what a dope!) and so of course couldn't get any replies.  So here I go
again. (Oh, how tenacious I am in my obnoxious pursuit of knowledge!):

Been meaning to elicit opinion on this for a number of days, but the list has
been so hopping that I've barely been able to read all of my e's! Also, have got
to finish Kylie's (Knightraven) new piece (which is wonderful, as always, so
far).

What do you think LaCroix' purpose was in introducing Nicholas to
Francesca? Was he hoping they would start a romance (and so perhaps
provide him with a little vicarious -- or not so vicarious --pleasure)? Did he
hope Francesca would be a good influence on Nick? Did he anticipate Nick's
reaction to Francesca's "hobby"? If so, what did he think would happen when Nick
found out? Did he think he would approve (this could have been during a time
when Nick was "comfortable" with his vampirey life-style)? Or did he hope
trouble would stir up, since he seems to find so much pleasure in starting a
ruckus? Or maybe he anticipated Nicholas destroying Francesca? Why would he have
wanted that? Why would he have wanted Nick to do it?

Or was he just really only looking for free room and board on a stopover with
relatives?

As you can see, I have been wondering rather intensely about this and so would
appreciate your impressions of the situation!

Portia the Perplexed
(For real this time!)

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