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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Jul 2000 to 13 Jul 2000 - Special issue (#2000-207)

Thu, 13 Jul 2000

There are 37 messages totalling 1007 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah Rah I say!
  2. Knight School:- Ep.102 - Dark Knight Pt. 2
  3. Blood and religious objects (2)
  4. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah Rah I say!] (2)
  5. Divia's flying (15)
  6. searching for a story (4)
  7. Last Act, religion and language (2)
  8. Nick and the New World (2)
  9. Ambiguous flashbacks
 10. vamp factions
 11. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah
 12. Algae-covered Caddy
 13. Need Help
 14. LaCroix was right!
 15. Raven photos
 16. Religious vs. magical objects

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:25:28 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah Rah I say!

All,
As far as I'm concerned, there is way too little discussion of the Caddy as
an essential character on the show so any discussion is good discussion.
(Any PR is good as long as they spell my name right.)  And no offense taken
and I think the reply poster was joking anyway.  For the poster who
"idealizes" our Caddy
>        Painted black.  And if you are serious, slam it into the ground
until the rocker-panels rub.  The lower the better<<<
is this really insulting or is it more akin to "idealizing" our beloved
LaCroix in a bunny suit?  Hmmmmmm?  LaCroix in the Caddy....he see it and he
wants to paint it blaa ack.  (Cue the Stones)  Tracy paints it pink - it's a
Pink Cadillac!  (Cue Aretha and Sprinstein!)  Does Schanke paint it with
polka dots???  (Cue the polka band!)  The real question:  what motivated Nick
to choose blue-green???
Casting T. F. Stone

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:30:34 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Knight School:- Ep.102 - Dark Knight Pt. 2

In a message dated 7/7/00 10:52:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
WynBleiddn@a....... writes:

<< hehe, if I knew I'd be spending lots of quality time with my car
 (especailly the trunk) I'd want speakers back there too, though perhaps in
 this instance, it's the rear (back passenger seat) speakers he hears. >>

You gots to have trunk speakers for the Tailgate Parties.
Casting T. F. Stone

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:09:16 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Blood and religious objects

In a message dated 07/11/2000 5:47:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
Ladynoire@a....... writes:

<< I was actually suggesting that he may have sailed to the New World, not
that he *flew*, per se ...
  >>

As I said, during the time of the Mayan civiliazation, nobody in the "Old
World" or even knew that North and South America existed.  There was no
reason for Nick to have conjectured it's existence, and just sailed off and
discover it himself.  At that time, the world was believed flat.  Even most
of Columbus' crew in 1492 believed they would sail off the edge of the world.
 If Nick had hired a ship and tried to make the crew just sail off into the
Atlantic, they would likely have mutinied.  Even the ability to make such a
journey would not have been possible until the advancements in navigation
made by Henry, Prince of Portugal, known as Henry the Navigator, who lived
from 1394 to 1460.  Columbus' expidition itself was made possible by those
advancements.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:19:03 EDT
From:    Ladynoire@a.......
Subject: Re: Blood and religious objects

In a message dated 7/12/2000 6:10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Laudon1965@a....... writes:

<<  At that time, the world was believed flat.  Even most
 of Columbus' crew in 1492 believed they would sail off the edge of the world.
  If Nick had hired a ship and tried to make the crew just sail off into the
 Atlantic, they would likely have mutinied.   >>

Ahh, good point, I had forgotten that .....  must review my history at some
point

Carol

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:25:56 CDT
From:    "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah Rah I
         say!]

Depends on if he bought it new or not.  Do they say in any of the eps?  It may
have been the only color available at the time. Otherwise, as
someone posted -- I forget who -- it might have been just chosen
for photography reasons.

Emily

Not a Caddywhacker, but I do think the car is cool.

WRDRR@a....... wrote:

The real question:  what motivated Nick to choose blue-green???
Casting T. F. Stone

Emily M. Hanson

http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:29:54 EDT
From:    Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

In a message dated 7/12/00 10:46:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:

<< This would be easier than carrying to body that far. >>
but also like the cpt. said, how did "someone" smuggle it in? i think the
x-rays would pick up a body, neverless a dead body...

~~Wolfy

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:42:24 CEST
From:    Simone Nicole Dornecker <moonwing@h.......>
Subject: searching for a story

Help...
I've read a really good story on the net and now I've lost it (and with my
sieve-like memory I have forgotten the name and the author.. whine)

It was a sort of post-LK story with Nick married to a Fiction-writer
He'd moved away from Toronto, after Nat broke of with him(yep, she survived
the little lovemaking episode), not able to stand the images she'd recieved
during the blood-drinking

If anybody knows this story, the author and where I could find it I would be
really really happy to know about it.

Simone
the real Hamburg Girl

Simone Nicole Dornecker a.k.a. Silvercat Simone_Dornecker@y.......
                                      or Moonwing@h.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:56:09 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

Wolfy Knight wrote:
>  mclisa@m....... writes:
> << This would be easier than carrying to body that far. >>
> but also like the cpt. said, how did "someone" smuggle it in? i think the
> x-rays would pick up a body, neverless a dead body...

Two words (or is it one?): Carry-ons
All she had to do was get to the departure gate without passing through
the carry-on screening. I've seen plenty of carry-on bags that would
hold a body, especially a decapitated one. If it was going to be a tight
fit in the overhead, she could have put the head in her purse. <eg>

It would have been even easier if she'd commandeered a seat aboard a
corporate jet.
-----
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:16:36 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

In a message dated 07/12/2000 8:46:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:

<< Do we know for certain that even Divia can fly ultra long distances? I don't
 recall anything in Ashes to Ashes which says she didn't use the knowledge
 she apparently gained from the Egyptian's blood to hop plane for Toronto.
 This would be easier than carrying to body that far.
  >>

Divia could have travelled by plane, but she would have had to arrange for
the lading of the body onto the plane as well.  Even if she could somehow
have gotten it crated, and asuming the body was mostly exsanguinated so no
blood dripped from the crate, it's a might warm in Egypt and Hamid would have
become somewhat fragrant by that point.
I live in Arizona, which has a comparable climate, and it's been on the news
several times here that Airlines flying out of Phoenix and other similarly
hot locations have stopped carrying pets in the baggage compartment for the
duration of th summer.  The cargo areas are not cooled like the cabin, and
the heat reaches deadly levels.  In that environment, the contents of the
crate would undoubtedly betray themselves.  Too many possibilities for mortal
suspicion for Divia to have taken that route, I think.  Just my HO, YMMV.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:20:01 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

In a message dated 7/12/00 5:56:19 PM Central Daylight Time, mcombs@e.......
writes:

> Two words (or is it one?): Carry-ons
>  All she had to do was get to the departure gate without passing through
>  the carry-on screening. I've seen plenty of carry-on bags that would
>  hold a body, especially a decapitated one. If it was going to be a tight
>  fit in the overhead, she could have put the head in her purse. <eg>
This is almost impossible now, but at the time of Ashes to Ashes it *could*
have happened... Or who is to say she didn't have an EMPTY large carry one,
whammied a few people, and, like magic, Divia is IN the luggage and on the
plane.

Of course in her case it wouldn't be wise for the airline to lose the
luggage. Certainly NOT a healthy thought....

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:23:28 EDT
From:    Ceily Trog <Fk4ever1228@a.......>
Subject: Re: Last Act, religion and language

Janet wrote:
<>

Hey, doc! Waz da matta wid da way I talk?

;-)

fk4ever (from Southeastern Louisiana)

P.S. Spell check hated this e-mail; I can't understand why! LOL

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:23:42 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

In a message dated 7/12/00 6:20:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
Libratsie@a....... writes:

>  Or who is to say she didn't have an EMPTY large carry one,
>  whammied a few people, and, like magic, Divia is IN the luggage and on the
>  plane.
I got ahead of myself in this head-on discussion over a corpse that would be
headless....

Divia could WHAMMY people to get the body on the plane, and herself for that
matter. For pets traveling via airlines, there usually are pressurized and
heated and or cooled compartment areas.  Maybe she convinced the airling via
whammy that the Egyptian was a Pharoah doggie or something <wRPg>

>
>  Of course in her case it wouldn't be wise for the airline to lose the
>  luggage. Certainly NOT a healthy thought....
In any case, I stand by this. Losing Divia's ... luggage would not be healthy
in more ways than one<g>

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:28:00 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Last Act, religion and language

In a message dated 7/12/00 6:24:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
Fk4ever1228@a....... writes:

> Hey, doc! Waz da matta wid da way I talk?

Wot??? A nudder person wot talks wit' the h'accent??? Oughta be joinin' h'up
wit' the Ratpack wheres no 'uns jammy-jams wot funny wayz. Them udder
fraction-als, theys the uns wot got the funny-talkin' verbal-waggers.

hehehehehe

--Libs
**Arkansas accent in RL and PROUD of it <g>**

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:50:09 EDT
From:    Dolpfin220@a.......
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah Rah I
         say!]

In a message dated 07/12/2000 5:26:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
emily.m.hanson@u....... writes:

> Depends on if he bought it new or not.  Do they say in any of the eps?  It
> may have been the only color available at the time.

It's implied that he has had the caddy since at least the 1960s, since that
is the decade on the forgotten driver's license Schanke finds in the glove
compartment in Close Call....  Wasn't the expiration date on that around 1963?

Janet - <A HREF="Dolpfin220@a.......">Dolpfin220@a.......</A>

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:58:21 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Nick and the New World

The height of the Mayan Empire was between 300-900 AD, not very convenient
for Nick-friendliness. By the 900s, the Mayans had abandoned their major
cities for unknown reasons. The Toltecs overran the area next, followed
by the Aztecs. The Toltecs assimilated elements from Mayan culture, and
the Aztecs did the same with Toltec culture when they conquered. It was
a post-classical tradition of Mayan-influenced values that would have been
dominant in our time frame of interest, 1228 through the arrival of Cortes.

Nick could have concievably visited during this time (Leif Ericson found North
America in the 1000s, so the Vikings, at least, knew it was there) and perhaps
encountered some people versed in Mayan lore, but I think that's really
stretching it.

That begs the question - what's the earliest Nick-canon-visit to the New World?
The flashback in 'Dying To Know You' was Colonial Virginia, right?

************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge.......<br1035@i.......>.......Single and Fabulous!
"Somewhere out there is another little freak who will love us, understand
us, and kiss our three heads and make it all better." - 'Sex and the City'
     "This is going to be embarrassing, isn't it?" - Cousin Jules

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:38 -0400
From:    urtikit@m.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

Libs offered:
>Divia could WHAMMY people to get the body on the plane, and herself for
>that matter.

In fact, she could just drop out of the sky onto the
tarmac while the plane is being loaded with luggage.
Whammy the ground crew to look the other way (perhaps
nabbing one or two as her "complimentary beverage"),
then trot up the ramp into the conveniently open cargo
door, and voila, she and her bag are in.

>For pets traveling via airlines, there usually are pressurized and
>heated and or cooled compartment areas.

Hmm.  What would happen if it weren't pressurized?
I'm thinking it probably wouldn't be fatal --
extrememly uncomfortable, perhaps.
Which could explain her some of her peevish mood when
she reaches Toronto.  <g>

Kit
urtikit@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:26:09 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

In a message dated 7/12/00 7:18:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
urtikit@m....... writes:

> Hmm.  What would happen if it weren't pressurized?
>  I'm thinking it probably wouldn't be fatal --
>  extrememly uncomfortable, perhaps.

I was more concerned with keeping the body of her victim from becoming ...
too, uhr, well, "odorfied" as a Ratpack might jammy-jam.  I don't think a
vampire would necessarily need pressurization even in a high flying jet since
FK vampires themselves fly, and they'd have to be able to get some VERY high
altitude to avoid being seen in modern times with all of our night vision
equipment.

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:58:45 -0400
From:    Judith A Cataldo <JUDYCAT@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and the New World

> That begs the question - what's the earliest Nick-canon-visit to the New
> World? The flashback in 'Dying To Know You' was Colonial Virginia, right?

I got the impression it was *supposed* to represent Colonial
Massachusetts/Salem.  Personally, I think it should have been England under
Cromwell since the towns here didn't have a population large enough to
sustain a vampire.   Not to mention that the witch/demon hysteria was on a
larger scale in England and the Continent than it was here.
Judy

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:04:02 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Ambiguous flashbacks

There are at least two flashbacks where the place is ambiguous. The fake
hanging for Nick could be anywhere in an English-speaking area in the 18th
c. The flashback where Matthew thinks first that Nick's a witch, because he
saw him flying, and then that he is himself seeing things may be in North
America or Britain. If it's in North America, it is most likely New England,
but in both cases we can't be sure. Even the kind of English we're hearing
isn't a safe guide because North American English hadn't separated much if
any from British English. There were some regional variations (at the
Continental Congress John Adams of Massachusetts complained that he couldn't
understand a word Edward Rutledge of South Carolina said, but here in South
Carolina Charleston accents have always been distinctive ). However, there
was no accent that would automatically tell a visitor from the U.K. that the
speaker was an American.

Yes, I've been reading linguistic history of English again. :)

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:34:48 -0500
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

> Libratsie@a.......

> Divia could WHAMMY people to get the body on the plane, and
> herself for that matter. For pets traveling via airlines, there usually are
> pressurized and heated and or cooled compartment areas.  Maybe she convinced
> the airling via whammy that the Egyptian was a Pharoah doggie or something
<wRPg>

The airlines do have an outside temp limit for shipping pets, though. It's
not the in-flight temps they worry about, it's the plane sitting on the
ground where the problem comes in. There are times when the A/C or heat are
shut off.

Delta almost cancelled the shipping of my dachshund from Washington to
Minnesota because the air temp in Salt Lake City was near their cutoff point
of 85 degrees, and she was making a flight change there. (Fortunately it
didn't get past 80 degrees, and she arrived just fine.)

But just think of this -- Divia could have shipped the dead body as a dead
body, in a coffin. And then she could whammy the shipping clerks to destroy
the paperwork and forget about that big box in the cargo compartment.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:55:06 EDT
From:    Knightwave@a.......
Subject: Re: searching for a story

In a message dated 7/12/00 3:43:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
moonwing@h....... writes:

<< I've read a really good story on the net and now I've lost it (and with my
 sieve-like memory I have forgotten the name and the author.. whine) >>

This sounds like Amber Murray's 'Now and Always'.  I checked a few of the
sites I thought this piece was hosted on, but didn't find it.  I don't have
any idea where you might find it on the web.

Enjoy,
April
knightwave@a.......
knightwave@j.......
http://members.xoom.com/knightbudz/index.html

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:57:34 -0500
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: searching for a story

> Simone Nicole Dornecker

> It was a sort of post-LK story with Nick married to a Fiction-writer
> He'd moved away from Toronto, after Nat broke of with him(yep, she survived
> the little lovemaking episode), not able to stand the images
> she'd recieved during the blood-drinking

I believe that story is by Amber Murray, but I just can't remember the
title.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:07:39 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceye@a.......>
Subject: Re: searching for a story

>This sounds like Amber Murray's 'Now and Always'.  I checked a few of the
>sites I thought this piece was hosted on, but didn't find it.

I sent a copy to her.

Emily Lacey
laceye@a.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:32:52 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

"Nancy E. Kaminski" wrote:
>
>> But just think of this -- Divia could have shipped the dead body as a dead
> body, in a coffin. And then she could whammy the shipping clerks to destroy
> the paperwork and forget about that big box in the cargo compartment.

Thwap! (Sound of hand hitting forehead) Of course!  Can't you see her
pretending to be overcome with grief?
-----
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:37:09 -0400
From:    urtikit@m.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

Libs again:
>I was more concerned with keeping the body of her victim from becoming ...
>too, uhr, well, "odorfied" as a Ratpack might jammy-jam.

Ah, well, there you go.  Especially since you'd think
someone in the Raven would have smelled it in the beer
fridge earlier, thereby spoiling her little surprise
for LC.
Well, there's always the landing gear bay.  Get it on a
plane that's ready to go (minimize ground time that
way), and with outside temps around -40 or so Fahrenheit,
it'd cool down nicely.

>I don't think a
>vampire would necessarily need pressurization even in a high flying jet since
>FK vampires themselves fly, and they'd have to be able to get some VERY high
>altitude to avoid being seen in modern times with all of our night vision
>equipment.

Humans and their pesky technology.
I'm wondering now if they have to also be careful to stay below radar....

Kit
urtikit@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:49:18 -0400
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

urtikit@m....... wrote:
> Humans and their pesky technology.
> I'm wondering now if they have to also be careful to stay below radar....

Nah. <g> Unless Nick took it into his head to fly in full plate
armour, he couldn't be picked up on radar.

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:46:09 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Re: vamp factions

Debi McK writes about the characters' faction choices:
<snip>
>Assuming they'd join their *own* faction, o'course...  I can see Nat
>joining the NA, just to see what the 'opposition' is up to... Tracy
>would be a Vacquero - gotta keep track of him *somehow* <g>,  Nick would
>keep an eye on the DP's to pick up some tips... ;)

If Nat joins the NA, it'll be because she's a Val ;)

I think Nick would be scared of the DP's though... they're more like Amazons
than what i think he's used to ;)

Urs would join the Ravenettes because she can (style), plus they're not too
depressing

I think Lacroix would join the NA to recover from the ego blows his son
sometimes gives him
I also think LC would join all his partnership factions -- "I love you all.
And I want all of you ... to love me" -- LC as the Nightcrawler
Would the General join the Fleur-boosters, or would it hurt too much??

jen

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
CotK, KoC, Faithful, Valentine, CP, LC, RoGe, Urchin

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:26:16 -0700
From:    Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@m.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

On Divia getting the body to Canada, Wolfy and McLisa sed:
> << This would be easier than carrying to body that far. >>
> but also like the cpt. said, how did "someone" smuggle it in? i think the
> x-rays would pick up a body, neverless a dead body...

I've always thought she hitched a ride on top of the plane. Or she could
have snuck in where the wheels go when they were being put away. I think
there was someone who did that a few years back that made the news, and she
wouldn't have to worry about freezing to death.

Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky                                               FoD
luckyliz@m.......                                     Merc
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz                         Nothers

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:17:41 +0000
From:    jennii <jennii@c.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Caddy flaming from a Caddywhacker  ;-) Rah

       Hi,

       He liked the colour??

     < The real question:  what motivated Nick to choose
blue-green??? Casting T. F. Stone>
Dark Knightie and UFfer
jennii@c.......

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:14:36 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Algae-covered Caddy

could somebody please send me a copy of Kathy Walsh's FORKNI-L post about
the Caddy being covered with algae?  it was from about a year ago....  i
asked kathy, but her email had overloaded and it got deleted.

thanks in advance!!

jen

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
CotK, KoC, Faithful, Val, CP, LC, RoGe, Urchin
"I love you all. And I want all of you ... to love me" -- the Nightcrawler
Trying really hard to match Kathy Walsh's monster sig.  ;)

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:17:25 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

Liz the Lucky wrote:
>
> I've always thought she hitched a ride on top of the plane.

Like Samantha and Endora on "Bewitched." Or the creature in the old
Twilight Zone episode with William Shatner? <gr>

Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:31:01 -0700
From:    Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: Need Help

*delurking for a moment*

    Hi all,

        I'm hoping someone can help me.  I desperately need the layout
of The Raven, and have no idea where to find it.  I know some of it is
in certain eps, but seeing as none of my tapes are labeled with anything
more descriptive than 'Forever Knight', it'd take me a year to find the
right ones.
        Is there anywhere I can find this info?  It's for a piece of
fic, and I can't go anywhere with it till I get the layout. *sigh*

Thanks in advance,

Tab

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:33:54 -0700
From:    Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@m.......>
Subject: LaCroix was right!

A friend of mine gave me this addy,
http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-cyborger.html, to find out what names
really mean. Among others, I entered Nick and came up with this:

N.I.C.K.: Networked Individual Calibrated for Killing

So *that's* the real reason LaCroix had Janette seduce Nick. ;-)

Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky                                               FoD
luckyliz@m.......                                     Merc
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz                         Nothers

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:41:22 -0700
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Raven photos

<<I'm hoping someone can help me.  I desperately need the layout
of The Raven, and have no idea where to find it.   Tab >>

There are some very good Raven photos on Nigel's web page...

http://www.blackhatstation.com/ForeverKnight/fkphoto.htm

FKFOREVER

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:38:36 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

> On Divia getting the body to Canadabody...
>
> I've always thought she hitched a ride on top of the plane.

  Now that would be an interesting piece of fan fiction.

  Who should join John Lithgow and William Shatner as being
someone who insists that there is someone on the wing of the
plane in midflight?

  One can imagine the mental pandemonium of the luckless
individual who sees a young girl - fangs flashing, hair streaming
back in the wind - as she holds on with one hand and drags her
luckless Egyptian "present" home to Daddy with the other.

                Tim

P.S. if you don't catch the reference, there is an infamous twilight
zone episode that William Shatner starred in where he saw a
gremlin on the wing of the airplane he was flying through a storm.
This episode was then remade in the movie Twilight  Zone with
John Lithgow.  There was a riotous reference to this shared
experience when William Shatner guest-starred on 3rd Rock from
the Sun.

 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:47:56 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying

 > On Divia getting the body to Canada...
 > I've always thought she hitched a ride on top of the plane.

Let's see: jets travel at about 500 mph. If something as big as a person was
holding onto a jet, the aerodynamics would be seriously affected. The pilots
would notice that the jet wasn't handling properly and would most likely land
immediately to find out which bit was falling off. <g>

And where would she hold on? And at that speed, wouldn't her clothes be ripped
off, not to mention her skin and hair?

Nope, I'm betting she travelled inside, no doubt first class, with the body in
the cargo hold.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:51:52 -0500
From:    treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Religious vs. magical objects

At 04:27 PM 7/10/00 -0700, Greer wrote:

>The sun and light associated symbolism of a cross or crucifix is well known
> ... And the Menorah, ... is also associated with the resanctification of
>holyplaces, barring it to the unholy such as vampires, and the generation of
>light.

I don't know if there are different types of menorahs, but speaking about
the symbolism of the one used for Chanukah, it most definately has to do
with light. There was supposed to be an eternal light burning in the Temple
(the Temple of Solomon, I'm assuming). The story goes that when the
Maccabees reclaimed the Temple, there was only enough oil left to keep the
light burning for one more day, but it would take eight days to get more oil.
The miracle of Chanukah is that instead of burning out, the eternal light
continued to burn, while the oil was obtained. The light never did go out.
On the Chanukah menorah, there are eight candles representing each of the
days, and one in the middle, representing the eternal flame that never goes
out.

Liz the Lucky wrote:

>IIRC, Tracy specifically mentioned the myth where Raven stole the sun. To
>me, that would indicate that TPTB wanted the knifes taken as Light symbols,
>especially since Tracy said it *after* Nick had already been burned by them.

Showing my atheistic leanings, I believe the eternal flame of the Temple
and the menorah actually represents the light in the sky that never goes
out, the sun. (We know, of course, how vampires are affected by the sun.)
Chanukah occurs in late fall, a time when the days are getting shorter and
shorter, and the sun could be seen by ancient people as in danger of going
out. And yet it doesn't. At the solstice, it begins to get stronger again.

Christmas, also, occurs at about the time of the winter solstice. I hope I'm
not offending anybody, but I think the story of Jesus' birth represents the
same thing. The light, the sun, appears to be in danger of going out, yet
it doesn't, and Jesus' birth is the symbol and the promise of that. I think
that is why lights as decorations are so much a part of the Chrismas
tradition. Lights in a time of darkness, indicating that the light will never
really go out.

Hmm, could we be heading for consistency in an area of Forever Knight
where the apparent inconsistency has always bothered me, the idea of
which religious objects affect vampires? The light and the sun?

Nah. Somebody will probably come up with a counter-example. <g>

Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk

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