FORKNI-L
Digest - 21 Apr 2000 to 22 Apr 2000 (#2000-118)
Sat, 22 Apr 2000
There are 16 messages totalling 698 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. If FK went to Lifetime (3)
2. If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney) (4)
3. YKYBWFKTMW...
4. FK invades Disney (6)
5. I know where Nat shops for books...
6. And the Blitz Continues!!
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:49:15 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime
>Oh dear, this is even more dangerous. I can't see Tracy as a vamp. She's too
>sunny. She likes the daylight, and I'm pretty sure she said that. I think
>she'd be even more miserable as a vampire than Nick is, and I think having
>her character go more places would pull the emphasis of the show very far away
>from Nick.
Nick the Blonde Be-Fanged Brick Lover here.
I can see where any movie deals would be better off as a week-long (at
least!) television movie serial. We'd need at least one part per character
to satisfy everyone! (veg)
I can see the story lines now... <flashforward>
Sunday: Le Miz
Monday: Natpackers
Tuesday: N&Npackers
Wednsday: Ratpackers
Thursday: Ravenettes/Ravens
Friday: Immortal Beloveds
Saturday: Vaqueros
Sunday: Dark Perks
Monday: CotK
Tuesday...
This could be the longest television movie series in the history of the medium!
And can you imagine the fight to see which possibility would come out on top?
Grinned,
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:52:05 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney)
In a message dated 4/21/00 10:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
copper6500@y....... writes:
> Think of what Lifetime could do with Natalie's character... :-)
Hey! Yeah!
They might finally get the point across that the only man for Natalie is ....
SCREED!
Yes!
Synopsis: A very successful Toronto coroner meets a down-and-outer and while
trying to help him, learns to accept him for what he is since he's obviously
very happy helping her dispose of no-longer-needed labrats (carefully
screened for Screed poisoning, of course) and they live happily ever after.
--Libs
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:34:38 -0700
From: "Kelly C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney)
O In a message dated 4/21/00 10:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
> copper6500@y....... writes:
>
> > Think of what Lifetime could do with Natalie's character... :-)
>n Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:52:05 EDT Libratsie@a....... writes:
> Hey! Yeah!
>
> They might finally get the point across that the only man for
> Natalie is ....
>
> SCREED!
>
> Yes!
>
LIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dream on, girl! Nick is the ONLY man for Nat! :-)
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:37:19 +1200
From: Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime
> See, I think I'd like to see her become a vampire. It'd add...chemistry.
Yeah, and we need to hook Lacroix up with someone...<eg>
knightraven@c.......
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven
www.kiwimarine.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:47:49 +1200
From: Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney)
> I'm thinking more and more about this, and I believe Lifetime would be a
> TERRIFIC venue for FK, at least as good as Sci Fi, and probably better. Sci
> Fi is just getting into its own production stuff, but Lifetime has been
> doing it for a long time. They have also shown a particular leaning towards
> both "crime drama" and the supernatural.
Right. Does Lifetime have an address we can add to our KtK list? I mean why
the hell not...what have we got to lose? And we may just be onto something
regarding the female target audience and the fact they are well into making
their own movies. At the very least if Disney or whoever they are these
days, acquired the FK rights, we may have more of a chance with publishing
more books etc as well. Because it seems that as long as Sony have the
rights, we aren't officially going to see a thing. Maybe KtK could launch a
pitch at them to pick up the series? I believe it's going to take a big
corporation like Disney to pry Sonys cold fingers from around the piece of
paper that we all want brought out into the light of da...ah...night.<eg>
knightraven@c.......
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven
www.kiwimarine.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:50:27 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney)
In a message dated 4/21/00 5:37:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
tigrlady2u@j....... writes:
> LIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dream on, girl! Nick is the ONLY man for Nat! :-)
Wot??? ya sayin' Nat h'ain't Screed's Natsie Ratsie????
Why, the very though' o' inny-thingee udder sends me shudderin' down the
man-o-war ta the see-hers.
H'az some o' us Ratpacker-types loik ta say, "H'if Nick's not gonna,
someone's gotta!" heheheheheh (getcha minds out o' the PG-13 gutter - we
dinna say "wot he's gonna!")
--Libs
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:31:14 EDT
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: YKYBWFKTMW...
You're looking something up for mom on Martha Stewart's web page and come
across a restaurant named Balthazar. Now we know where Grace went.
Judy
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:02 EDT
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
In a message dated 4/21/2000 5:01:52 PM, LISTSERV@l....... writes:
<< I find that Lifetime tends to run "Nick Knight a couple of times a year.
Not always in easy time slots to find.
>>
If this is true.... then they might be open to FK. They've shown that they
like the original movie, or they wouldn't keep showing it.
Judy
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:12:29 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
Hmm...
maybe we could get Lifetime to do several Spin-offs... that'd keep all the
factions happy. :-)
-Carla
copper6500@y.......
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:52:16 EDT
From: Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
After reading some of the recent comments re suggestions for FK to be on
Disney and Lifetime--I felt the need to mention a few things that will
probably get me into some dangerous territory...but here goes--
From: Laudon1965@a.......
>In a message dated 04/21/2000 7:45:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
>elighton@b....... writes:
><< But FK already has a major female character, Natalie. (And, if the
> >movie is
>set in the 3rd season, they have 2 female main characters.) >>
>:: Drumming fingers :: Ahem, lest we forget Janette? Make that three.
>Laurie of the Isles
THANK YOU, Laurie!!! THANK YOU so VERY!!!
I also had wanted to remind y'all that there was another prominent female
character in seasons 1 & 2--a very strong woman who was VERY important to
Nick--Janette. And, might I also remind you of the season 3 ep HF in which
it was obvious that there were still strong feelings between Nick and
Janette, and that he simply could not bear to let her die, so he made her a
vampire again! It would a sad oversight, IMHO, that if there were to be any
movies, Janette would not be included. She was an important part of Nick's
life as well as LaCroix's and that of the vamp community, and therefore an
intrgril part of the show.
And as for the comments about Nat being in a 'man's field', Janette was a
businesswoman --she owned the Raven, and was strong and rather independent,
still very feminine, very sexy, and very much a woman [***I do NOT mean that
Nat was not--she was, also, but some women feel the need to not be feminine
when striving to 'make it' in a 'man's profession'] and she cared for the
'strays' among the vampire community as well as the women who were
prostitutes, and it would have been very interesting to have seen her as a
vampire again, but with her new and renewed 'heart'--as a vampire, she had
experienced deep love for Robert, a mortal, who she had even tried to bring
across when he was dying, and strong maternal love towards Robert's son, and
there was still a deep love between her and Nick, at least IMHO. Also,
there was another female, who it would have been good to have seen more
of--Urs. Y'all I hope remember that Tracy was not te only blond woman added
in season 3, and Urs was an important part of Vachon's life--hey, y'all
remember that it WAS Vachon's choice to make Urs a part of HIS life, don't
ya? He offered to 'take her away' from her current life situstion, he could
not bring himself to kill her--even though she told him to, he not only
brought her across for himself, but to give HER a new life, a new
beginning--right?! And after about 100 years, they STILL obviously cared for
each other--weather their physical/sexual relationship continued after BB,
we don't know, but there wasnothing to indicate there was not an ongoing
relationship, and even in AtA, Urs knew she could ask Vachon to come to
her--I assumed it was during the day, and he DID risk coming during the day
to her at the Raven, and, when he was suffering so terribly from Divia's
poison and the wounds she'd inflicted upon him, he was able to 'break
through' the pain and delierium and tell her she had to leave him so that
she would not get "staked & sourched by the sun" and it was obvious that she
still cared deeply for him as well, by her reaction when she saw him and
then to go to Nick to get help for him.
I think, also that Urs was a stonger person than she herself realized,
having even survived as a mortal after her father abandonded her family, and
in HoD, she had not become bitter and brutal, as Ellen had, but was
compassionate.
I think that #1 we see way too little mention of Janette and Urs is FK
FanFic--ya'll have a great opportunity to expand on their characters,
and #2 the FK PTB, while they did do many socially relavent things,
expanding on Janette and Urs characters and bringing either or both in more
would have also been socially relevant, as both had suffered terribly as
mortals--partically nowadays when we are more aware of parents abandonding
their families and also the effect the absence of a father, for example, has
on his children--it would have been great to see Urs grow stronger, as
Janette did, as a person.
And, may I also add that, IMHO, both Urs and Vachon COULD be in any FK
movies, as they had not been killed in the 'traditional' ways for a vampire
to die and BOTH of THEIR bodies STILL existed after they SUPPOSEDLY died,
same for Screed! Now of their bodied disappeared/went 'puff' did they?!
And, finally...
From: Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
>At 10:54 AM 4/21/00 -0500, Carla Martinek wrote:
>>Tracy had places for her character to go, too. Think if they made her a
>>vamp... her and Nick, partners in work and lifestyle, but not in romance.
>Oh dear, this is even more dangerous. I can't see Tracy as a vamp. She's
>too
>sunny. She likes the daylight, and I'm pretty sure she said that. I think
>she'd be even more miserable as a vampire than Nick is
I agree with you, Margie, about Tracy NOT as a vampire...I think, in
addition to what you said here's a couple more reasons--#1 Tracy, even tough
her parents have problems, Tracy still love them, even her Uncle Sonny
mentioned in TG was a family member whom she loved and cared a lot
for--another reason she'd be miserable is that she would--sooner or
later--not be able to continue close relationships and close contact with
her mortal family. #2 in AtA, after months of knowing Vachon and him
protecting and saving her and helping her with info--and his always being a
perfect gentleman and never 'taking advantage of her', as he could as a
vampire, and never 'laying a fang on her', she told him he was evil, and
that evil is a part of vampires--I disagree completely--not ALL vamps are
evil --in FK and in Vampire folklore--there are some who ARE good and even
protect the innocent!--but anyway, unlike Nick, Tracy--in her mortal
state--believed vampires were evil, Nick came to believe that sometime AFTER
becoming a vampire. I personally believe that, had Vachon somehow been
resussitated by LK, remembering that in FEVER, he told Tracy that he had
"buried a lot of mortal friends", maybe some of whom he could have brought
across, but did not, and as of HoD knowing that Urs had not wanted to live
forever on that night he brought her across, was wise enough to know that
sometimes you have to allow mortals to die and that being a vampire is not
"the life" for everyone. Sometimes, you have to let them "go", and if you
truly care about someone, this may be the most loving thing you can do.
>and I think having
>her character go more places would pull the emphasis of the show very far
>away from Nick.
While FK IS about Nick, it was/is a finely woven web of the lives of the TO
vamp commnity and the mortals who touch their lives. YES, it IS about Nick,
but it would not have been as 'lively' without LaCroix, Janette, Vachon,
Screed, Schankee--PROMINENT supporting players, but supporting Nick, and he
supporting them as well. FK [I'm happy to say] never struck me as being too
overly concerned about attention not being solely centered on Nick,but the
stories/eps did revolve around him GENERALLY, at least he was always a part
of them, e.g.AMPH, HoD,AFWTD, but any movie would need to be centered on
him, of course, and remember that Nicholas B. knight did not exist in a
vacumm, he lived in a 'world' inhabited by MANY interesting 'people' who
were relevant in him life. {{{Just to compare to another SciFi series, in
Highlander:The Series, there was a prominent character in much of the series
from the very first ep "Richie"; I have a video of one of the HL cons, and
the producers said that they killed off "Richie" in the next to the last
season because the series was HIGHLANDER, about The Highlander, [basically,
not about Richie]...pretty sad thinking on their part, me thinks...Glad the
FK PTB didn't think like them...well, except for the last 2 eps, but Nick,
Nat, Vachon, and Urs...and even Screed, can be healed, somehow, and come
back in FK Movies!!!}}}
***And PLEASE--whenever the "Nick Knight" movie does show up on Lifetime and
anyplace else PLEASE let us know here on list, as some of us have never seen
it and would like to...I have been unable to even find it to buy via the
internet and would like very much to see it...For starters...I can't imagine
anyone beside Nigel Bennett as LaCroix, could you?! Would be interesting to
see the movie!
Angel a.k.a. Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious Spaniard/Future Proud Vaq
Brat/VaqDreamer/INCArnate/Immortal Beloveds/Ravenette/
Faithfuls/Urchin/DarkHearts/The Crew/CW/BBFC
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:09:22 EDT
From: Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
Ooops! My apologies for any errors y'all have been subjected to in my
previous post--it was kinda late here when I wrote and posted
it--spell-checked, but didn't check as well as I usually try to---Just a few
things I hope if can fix and or clarify---sorry---
>From: "Doņa Angel" <donaangel@h.......>
>Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:52:16 EDT
>
>From: Laudon1965@a.......
>>elighton@b....... writes:
>><< But FK already has a major female character, Natalie. (And, if the
>> >movie is
>>set in the 3rd season, they have 2 female main characters.) >>
>
>>:: Drumming fingers :: Ahem, lest we forget Janette? Make that three.
>>Laurie of the Isles
>
>THANK YOU, Laurie!!! THANK YOU so VERY!!!
---Should be "THANK YOU so VERY MUCH!!!"
<snip>
>And, may I also add that, IMHO, both Urs and Vachon COULD be in any FK
>movies, as they had not been killed in the 'traditional' ways for a vampire
>to die and BOTH of THEIR bodies STILL existed after they SUPPOSEDLY died,
>same for Screed!
>Now of their bodied disappeared/went 'puff' did they?!
---Should be "NONE of their bodied disappeared/went 'puff' did they?!"
And regarding Tracy as a vampire--
>I agree with you, Margie, about Tracy NOT as a vampire...I think, in
>addition to what you said here's a couple more reasons--<snip> I personally
>believe that, had Vachon somehow been resussitated by LK,<snip> was wise
>enough to know that sometimes you have to allow mortals to die and that
>being a vampire is not "the life" for everyone. Sometimes, you have to let
>them "go", and if you truly care about someone, this may be the most loving
>thing you can do.
---I hope y'all understood that I meant that I believed that Vachon would
NOT have brought Tracy across, for the reasons I stated in my previous
post--and he would have been aware of her love for and her need for her
family, in addition to her telling Vachon of her belief that he and all
vamps were evil--he would not have made her a vampire, IMHO.
Hope this helped...sorry for any confusion...hope I took care of any major
errors! I bes get some sleep now...Knighty Knight!
Angel a.k.a. Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Devoted Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious Spaniard/with Ravenette &
Immortal Beloveds and Urchin & Dark Hearts Tendencies
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:23:31 -0700
From: Cousin Mary <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:37:19 +1200 Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
writes:
> > See, I think I'd like to see her become a vampire. It'd
> add...chemistry.
>
> Yeah, and we need to hook Lacroix up with someone...<eg>
Well, first off, gotta say you rock :)
And then I thought I'd throw my two cents in here. I saw a couple people
saying that Tracy was too sunny and would be even more miserable than
Nick as a vamp, but IMO, Tracy was much more practical than Nick, so
while she might not want or like the thought of being a vampire, she'd
make the best of it.
Whether brought across by Vachon, Nick, LC or an Enforcer, Tracy would
deal. She might challenge the system as she went, and woe be it to the
vampire who told her to do something she was morally against, but she
wouldn't be miserable as a vampire.
And, of course, I have to say that after reading and writing countless
Tracy fics, there's more than enough there for a couple Lifetime movies
;-)
hugs!
Cousin Mary
anteros@j.......
I'm a DP Thug, ask me how!
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:51 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: I know where Nat shops for books...
Since the hubby and I belong to another really bizarre list about famous
and not quite-so-famous dead people and where they are buried, I had to
share this one that came along.
I now know where Nat shops for books to read when she's not doing videos
over at Nick's place.
http://www.citymorguegiftshop.com/books.htm
Some of the books available for purchase are:
The Definitive Guide to Underground Humor : Quaint Quotes
About Death, Funny Funeral Home Stories and Hilarious
Headstone Epitaphs
Handbook of Forensic Pathology (I REALLY WANT THIS ONE, but
it's US$45.00!!!)
Police Pictures: The Photograph as Evidence
Death Investigation: The Basics
Unnatural Death: Confessions of a Medical Examiner
(Could this be Nat moonlighting as an author???)
Carla
copper6500@y.......
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:00:29 -0500
From: Emma Lighton <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
>>:: Drumming fingers :: Ahem, lest we forget Janette? Make that three.
>>Laurie of the Isles
Actually, I didn't forget her. While her presence was noticable in the
show, TIIC rarely used her as a prominent character. At least 95% of her
apperences seemed to be simply Nick goes to the Raven/Nick and Janette
flirt/Nick leaves. Lots of potential? Certainly. Prominent? Unfortunatly,
no not really.
Angel a.k.a. DoŌa Angel <donaangel@h.......> wrote:
>there was another female, who it would have been good to have seen more
>of--Urs. Y'all I hope remember that Tracy was not te only blond woman added
I would have liked to see more interaction between Urs and Nick. They
seemed to have a lot in common, but rather different perspectives on it.
>And, may I also add that, IMHO, both Urs and Vachon COULD be in any FK
>movies, as they had not been killed in the 'traditional' ways for a vampire
>to die and BOTH of THEIR bodies STILL existed after they SUPPOSEDLY died,
>same for Screed! Now of their bodied disappeared/went 'puff' did they?!
Even if they had, Lacroix survived that, so I don't see any reason any
other FK vamp should have a problem.
>From: Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
>>Oh dear, this is even more dangerous. I can't see Tracy as a vamp. She's
>>too
>>sunny. She likes the daylight, and I'm pretty sure she said that. I think
>>she'd be even more miserable as a vampire than Nick is
Maybe it's because I'm a Dark Perk, but I have no problem seeing Tracy as a
vampire. Her only mention of daytime that I remember is explaining why
she'd dozed off in BB1. As for her sunny disposition, it was long gone by
late in the season. If you don't believe me, rewatch AA.
Angel a.k.a. DoŌa Angel <donaangel@h.......> wrote:
>protect the innocent!--but anyway, unlike Nick, Tracy--in her mortal
>state--believed vampires were evil,
I don't think she did. I think Vachon made her uncomfortable for reasons
that she wasn't really ready to explore, so she wanted to push him away,
physically and emotionally. If she really thought he was evil, do you think
she would have asked him to call her when he got home?
Besides, headless corpse seem to make Tracy act weird. :)
Emma (elighton@b.......)
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head Mouse Clicker
Survivor of Wars 9 and 10
"I like my music dark and bitter, not my beverages."
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:06:46 EDT
From: Lori Dehn <valideh1@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
>***And PLEASE--whenever the "Nick Knight" movie does show PLEASE let us
>know here on list, as some of us have never seen
>it and would like to...I have been unable to even find it to buy via the
>internet and would like very much to see it
If you can find a copy of the Video Hound guides, whether to sci/fi, horror,
or just the general one, NK is listed, with information for ordering from
whoever is putting it out. I found it a couple years ago, and I'm pretty
sure I posted the info, but I never sent for it myself. (Thanks, Penny!) And
unfortunately, my copy of the Video Hound met a tragic end along with most
of my books.
Lori Dehn
Nick & Nat Packer with
definite Ravenette and Vaquera
tendencies, and just a
smackerel of Cousin for Flavor
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:31:35 +0000
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: And the Blitz Continues!!
Thanks to all who have participated in the BIG Blitz to Sci-fi so far!
You're the greatest! The blitz is still going though!!
If you love *Forever Knight* if you want it back on the schedule, if you
want movies,merchandise, etc, now is your chance to let TPTB know it!!!
Today through the entire Easter Weekend, day and night we are asking each and
every person on every Fk list/loop etc, to take a few moments and please
e-mail : feedback@w.......
Lets show TPTB that we are all still here, still devoted, and will not go
away till we have it back!!!
Lets make sure that all our efforts to this point have not been in vein!!!
So please! It takes just a few moments, and the result could be lots more Fk
for us all!!!!
Thankyou to all that will participate. :)
LET THE BLITZING BEGIN!!!!!
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