FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606C Part 8
June 16-June 17, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606C" Part 8
TOPICS:
War: Okay, I'll bite
when in 1228?
BM, CRCH & Money (2)
In The Immortal Words Of LaCroix
FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Jun 1996
Ger's Outer Limits ep. (5)
retrieving story parts via Listserv
A Question about Natalie (2)
working on FK /Red Dwarf crossover..need advice
Ger's Outer Limits Ep (2)
Nick and Horses
Showings of Ger's "Outer Limits" ep
Dracula and horses
SPOILER: LK & Blackwing
Themes in FK -- Reprise
Lacroix on wheels
GWD on Outer Limits
New email address/GWD wkend auction, stuff
Mercs
Money and Sundry
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:20:03 -0400
From: Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject: War: Okay, I'll bite
I've been reading posts describing wars on and off for a year now, and I
confess: I _still_ don't understand the war thing. I mean, I know there are
people who take sides, and I now know that there are mercenaries ... and I
remember something a year ago about frogs ... but as for the actual mechanics
of it all, I'm at a loss.
Is there anyone who would be kind enough to explain to me exactly what it's
all about?
Please e-mail to iocaste@a........ Thanks!
Ann
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:46:10 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: when in 1228?
I have a little nitpicky question... When in 1228 is Nick brought across?
Spring? Summer? Is there anything that ever says? The copy I have of
DBTLOTM is very fuzzy so I can't really tell what those people are wearing
in that dark little tavern. I mean, LC's wearing a cape, but since when has
LC ever dressed for the season? You'd never see the guy in Bermuda shorts
and t-shirt even at the height of summer in Arizona!
The reason I'm asking is for a piece of fic I'm working on. I need to know
how much time I have to work with...
Thanks in advance!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Infamous Thong Thronger!
*Voyeur of the Menage Lacroix*Founding member Unnamed Faction*
"It's good to be wicked!"
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:41:07 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: BM, CRCH & Money
> From: Deborah Menikoff <menikoff@p.......>
> did in regards to his plantations there. I believe she says "He had
> plantations there...where didn't he have plantations."
Janette is being a bit facetious there -- going on about LC never
forgiving them for defoliating the area, ducking the information she knows
Nick wants -- but the way DD says, "where *didn't* he have plantations"
sounds serious. (Plays into that immortal longing for fruit, no? <g>)
Evidently, LC was involved in Vietnam during the time of France's colonial
influence.
But while we're on the topic of CRCH, have the uniforms LC and his cohorts
were wearing in that bunker been identified? They may or may not have
been associated with a real force, but they must have had reliable cover
stories, mustn't they? Even in a war zone? Nick named the base he was
heading for....
> From: "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
> eternal. Also, many members of the nobility felt that just *handling* money
> -- other than coinage for tips to servants and such -- was demeaning.
But though LC has apparently long preferred to associate himself with the
upper crust, I would not accuse him of adopting their value systems. He
chose Janette, after all, and wanted her to be "so much more than mere
nobility." He was a Roman general, but I doubt he was very distant from
the concerns of his men. At the time he delivered his "material wealth
brings only ruin" lecture to Nick, he was dressed as a member of the upper
classes (and Janette was in men's clothes....) but his speech did not
sound as if its origin was distaste.
It sounded like experience.
Another untold tale of LaCroix, perhaps.
But the fact that LC labeled Nick's ill-gotten funds "blood money"
suggests that his emphasis was on the why, not the what. I cannot ever
remember seeing LC at a time he was not living well. But money serves
him, not the other way around. If you've seen BM, you've seen the look on
Nick's face as he turns to the chest; at that point in time, the money
owned him.
It is something he has gotten over, of course.
Another untold tale of Nick.
Lisa Prince asked:
> ObFK: With all this talk of cars and such, I've been wondering --
> Does LaCroix drive? I don't remember ever seeing him drive.
A few months back, there was an amusing piece of fanfic on that subject,
but I can't recall either author or title. It began as if it were a
Valentine piece, but it turned out Nat was giving LC driving lessons.
In canon, I don't recall ever seeing him drive, but considering the
development and spread of the car, and how quickly (in LC's terms) they
have occurred, I suppose it is possible that he's never bothered to learn.
On the other hand, Aristotle drove in FitP, and if *he* can.... :-)
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
"Remember that the faith you've lost is always there to regain... but
that green sock will never be found." -- St. Joan, the LK gag script
(Keeper of the Light Cousin FAQ: email me for a copy.)
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:05:22 PDT
From: "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject: Re: In The Immortal Words Of LaCroix
Barbara/Muldy Sculler wrote:
>When does the work on the second $10,000 start?
--It already DID. My $$$ have been in the mail for 3 days! (And, I'm
just ONE of the many "newer blood" caughing up [pardon the expression]!)
This is the first time I've donated. Hmm... For affiliation pins, for
blooper scripts, etc! (Had to get the cash flow, flowing again!) And,
now for the bike trek! The second $10,000 is well under way.
Oh, and to balance it out, I also donated to Children's Hospital.
(They only had $65, right?) Please, would this be a good time to list
all the FK related charities to let us spread the wealth around a little?
Just asking. Thx!
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:31:55 -0700
From: Shirley Davis <pitbull@d.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Jun 1996
At 05:00 PM 6/9/96 -0400, you wrote;
I'm looking for some kind soul to cut me copies in exchange for any other eps
(1st 2nd or 3rd)
I can help you out. Do you want the commercials edited out or let the thing
run from start to finish? Let me know how you want it.
Shirley D.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:42:14 -0300
From: Paula Hurley <dkknight@a.......>
Subject: Ger's Outer Limits ep.
Does anyone know when the following stations will be airing Ger's ep. of
Outer Limits:
the CBS station out of Toledo, Ohio(I don't remember the station letters)
ITV out of Edmonton, Alberta
I also get it from NTV from here, but nobody ever knows what they are going
to show, as they are so hard to get a hold of!!
Thanks.
Oh one other thing, I don't know if the people who pick up NTV off of
satellite know this, but they are now airing first season(Canadian) of FK on
Wednesday nights, and second season on Saturday nights.
Paula
dkknight@a.......
Dark Knightie * Light Cousin * Valentine * Unnamed Faction * Nick&NatPacker
"We made quite a good team, didn't we!" - LaCroix to Natalie(Night In Question)
"We ARE each other! You will always be mine.....eternally!" - LC to NK(The Fix)
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:22:08 -0400
From: June Williams <cousin@w.......>
Subject: retrieving story parts via Listserv
>>---------------------------------------------------
>TO RETRIEVE A STORY WITHOUT KNOWING THE EXACT TITLE
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Let's say I was looking for a missing story part. I can't
>remember the exact title of the story, but I know it has the
>word "velvet" in it. I send the following message to the
>listserv:
>
>
> To: listserv@p.......
> Subj:
>
> //
> Database Search DD=Rules
> //Rules DD *
> Search velvet in fkfic-l
> Index
> /*
>
>
>By sending these commands, I am asking the listserv to send
>me an index listing of every message archived for FKFIC-L that
>contains the word "velvet" in it.
>
>There are several things to note here: (1) the case of the word
>"velvet" is totally irrelevant; (2) there's nothing in the subject
>line; (3) I don't send the message to FORKNI-L or FKFIC-L directly,
>but to the listserv machine that handles these lists; and (4) the
>above commands must be typed in EXACTLY as I have them typed above.
>
>This is the message I received from the listserv:
>
>
>----- Begin Included Message -----
>
>From: "L-Soft list server at PSUVM (1.8b)" <LISTSERV@p.......>
>Subject: File: "DATABASE OUTPUT"
>
>> Search velvet in fkfic-l
>--> Database FKFIC-L, 26 hits.
>
>> Index
>Item # Date Time Recs Subject
>------ ---- ---- ---- -------
>000014 96/02/01 23:38 57 "A Taste of Black Velvet" (0/29)
>000017 96/02/02 00:29 61 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (1/29)
>000018 96/02/02 00:37 105 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (2/29)
>000019 96/02/02 00:41 181 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (3/29)
>000029 96/02/02 20:29 169 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (4/29)
>000030 96/02/02 20:47 184 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (5/29)
>000031 96/02/02 20:51 231 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (6/29)
>000032 96/02/02 20:53 191 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (7/29)
>000036 96/02/03 13:22 136 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (8/29)
>000038 96/02/03 13:53 241 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (9/29)
>000039 96/02/03 14:11 270 ADULT: " A Taste of Black Velvet" (10/29)
>000040 96/02/03 14:22 179 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (11/29)
>000042 96/02/03 18:19 114 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (12/29
>000050 96/02/04 12:03 219 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (13/29)
>000051 96/02/04 12:11 215 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (14/29)
>000052 96/02/04 12:16 204 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (15/29)
>000053 96/02/04 12:27 234 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (16/29)
>000054 96/02/04 12:45 209 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (17/29)
>000057 96/02/04 22:23 243 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (18/29)
>000058 96/02/04 23:11 153 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (19/29)
>000091 96/02/07 09:41 253 A Little Knowledge (3/7)
>000095 96/02/07 21:45 284 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (20/29)
>000097 96/02/07 22:02 266 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (21/29)
>000098 96/02/07 22:30 159 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (22/29)
>000099 96/02/07 22:45 210 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (23/29)
>000100 96/02/07 23:18 255 ADULT: "A Taste of Black Velvet" (24/29)
>
>----- End Included Message -----
>
>
>I notice from this list that "A Taste of Velvet" is the story I'm
>looking for and that the installment that I want is "A Taste of
>Black Velvet (16/29)" which has the item number 000053.
>
>Since I would really like to complete my set of the installments for
>this story, I'm going to ask the listserv to send me a copy of this
>file. This is the message I send:
>
>
> To: listserv@p.......
> Subj:
>
> //
> Database Search DD=Rules
> //Rules DD *
> Search velvet in fkfic-l
> Print all of 000053
> /*
>
>
>This tells the listserv to send me one copy of the file "A Taste of
>Black Velvet (16/29)", thus saving Marcia Tucker and countless other
>people the time of sending me a copy of the file. If I discover that
>I really need both part 16 and part 17, then I would replace "Print
>all of 000053" with "Print all of 000053 000054" and send the request
>off on its merry way.
>
>
>---------------------------------------------
>TO RETRIEVE MAIL FOR A PARTICULAR DAY OR DAYS
>---------------------------------------------
>
>Computers are notoriously susceptible to Murphy's Law: at the
>most critical juncture in a story, usually when the villain
>looks like she might actually win, your mailing program will
>send the one story part you absolutely must read off to the
>same area of heaven to which single socks and small dogs go.
>To retrieve mail for a particlar range of days, let's say while
>I was on vacation, I would send the following message:
>
>
> To: listserv@p.......
> Subj:
>
> //
> Database Search DD=Rules
> //Rules DD *
> search * in FKFIC-L from 96/02/01 to 96/02/29
> print all
> /*
>
>
>This asks the listserv to send me all of the posts sent to FKFIC-L
>during the month of February 1996. Note that I simply asked for
>all the posts to be sent without actually seeing a list of the
>file names. If you want to pick and choose which files you want,
>simply replace the words "print all" with "index" and then follow
>the procedures detailed above for printing specific messages.
>
>
>---------------------------------------
>TO RETRIEVE MAIL BY A PARTICULAR AUTHOR
>---------------------------------------
>
>Everyone has a favorite autho. I understand the fanatical need to
>get everything by a particular author. Let's say that I want all
>of Henry Wycoff's crossover stories. I would send the following
>message:
>
>
> To: listserv@p.......
> Subj:
>
> //
> Database Search DD=Rules
> //Rules DD *
> search * in FKFIC-L where sender contains wyckoff
> index
> /*
>
>
>This tells the listserv that I want a list of all the posts
>that were sent by the userID wycoff (which is Mr. Wycoff's
>userID right now). Note that it is again possible to replace
>the "index" command with a "print all" command, but Mr. Wycoff's
>stories are very very long, too many, in fact for some people to
>have sent to them in one day. So again, pick and choose from the
>list that listserv sends you and then follow the instructions
>above for retrieving specific messages using the "print all" command.
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:51:43 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Subject: A Question about Natalie
> and c.) I always assumed that if she spoke French, she would occasionally
>have the wits to use it to talk to Nick in necessary situations, esp. when
>there were other people around like Schanke (no one can make me believe that
>Schanke knows any great amount of French, despite "cherchez la femme").
I think it's more likely for Schanke to speak french than Nat. I mean,
have we ever gotten any indication that Schanke wasn't raised in Canada,
and thus had it in school? I seem to remember some talk about Nat's parents
being in the states. Was she raised there, or in Canada? (Admittedly, it'd
be a stretch for her AND her brother to both move to the same Canadian
city independantly, but still ...)
---- TJ
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:58:12 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Subject: A Question about Natalie
>I think it's more likely for Schanke to speak french than Nat. I mean,
>have we ever gotten any indication that Schanke wasn't raised in Canada,
>and thus had it in school?
Yes, in Dark Knight he mentions that he spent the summer of 1976 driving around
the Great Lakes region with his "best buddy" in a Caddy just like Nick's. I
think it was "Madison, WI, to Chicago, to Dekalb" but I could be wrong about the
last 2. I remember they were all Wisconsin/Illinois area states though. I got
the impression he went to college in the US, at the least, which would *imply*
a US upbringing. Besides, I'm not sure a Canadian-raised person would have
identified 1976 as "a wild Bicentennial summer". <G>
Diane E
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:14:09 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Outer Limits ep.
I just saw this on Showtime. I don't know if it will be shown on network
TV or not.
I have to say that the ep was weird, but then, it was Outer Limits,
after all. Ger played a cop!.
The thing that annoys me about this whole thing is the way Showtime
listed the show on it's web page. In the credits of the ep Ger gets
second billing behind Mel Harris. On the web page, they didn't even
mention him. Who's idea was that?
<grumble, grumble, grumble>
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
I finally had some sense knocked into me
and I have the bump to prove it!
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 03:13:19 GMT
From: Karen Parker <horcgal@u.......>
Subject: Re: working on FK /Red Dwarf crossover..need advice
Oh my gosh!!! I didnt know that there was another soul out there who had
even HEARD of Red Dwarf!!!! That was my fave. show but like all great shows
it was cancelled, at least in my area. Heard it is still being shown in
England.
Vachon would definatly be the Cat dont you think??? With that
attitude....he HAS to be Cat!!!! But he could also fit nicely as Rimmer
too.
LaCroix I think might be Hollie.....always trying to keep everyone
organized and doing what he says......
Sorry to ya'll who have no idea who/what Red Dwarf is.
Karen
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:26:02 -0400
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Ger's Outer Limits Ep
Well, I'm sure there will be many others posting on this...
Ger's Outer Limits episode was awesome! And it was interesting to see Ger in
a 1996 non-FK role, but hair similar (and those sideburns) to Nick's. One
thing I was intrigued with at the Shrewthering was how Ger seemed so
different from Nick. This role wasn't much of a stretch from Nick, in some
ways. I'd have to see this again to generate more comments.
And the Immortal Beloved/Unnamed in me was kicking the chair going, "Oh, why
did he have to be a cop married to a coroner????"
Jeepers!!
I missed the first 5 minutes because of the Bulls game! (Thanks, hon, but no
thanks!)
Okay, and Ger also did this Trilogy of Terror II post-FK - and WHEN is that
shown and where?
The Outer Limits episode is shown again Tuesday at 9:30 pm ET on Showtime
for those who didn't catch it before. I'll be retaping! Wow, how nice to
not have to worry about commercials for a change! BTW, I can bring this (if
I get the WHOLE thing taped this time) to the Gerthering if anyone wants to
see/copy it.
Is there enough FK in this post? How about an ObligFK about "Blackwing"?
I didn't think Marian and Nick did it when this ep first came out, but I'd
have to say... I guess so! Are we talking plot hole or what? Even if Marian
had taken the killer out of Nick, wouldn't it be logical that she could have
at least tried to kill HIM when they were, um, together? And I'm still not
happy with Nat's stomping on Nick's first good feelings in a long time - give
him a break! Even if it was nothing to get excited over, let the boy feel
good about himself for a change!
I think that covers the ObligFK... ;D
Fred Mollin at the AOL FK Chat Monday, 11 pm ET, the Remote Control Room,
keyword: TV GOSSIP!
Marcia Tucker / scfimarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Enthusiastically Unnamed / Immortal Beloved
"I don't want another one. I like THAT one!" - LC to Janette, "Father's Day"
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:26:36 -0400
From: Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Outer Limits ep.
Carrie wrote:
>I have to say that the ep was weird, but then, it was Outer Limits,
>after all. Ger played a cop!.
I kinda liked it. Ger played a cop married to a doctor. Sound familiar?
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:31:34 -0500
From: Laura Ruggiero <larug@s.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Outer Limits ep.
>I just saw this [Ger's Outer Limits ep] on Showtime. I don't know if it
>will be shown on network
>TV or not.
It will eventually be on network tv, all the eps on Showtime this season
<should be> syndicated out next season. So some of us at least can look
forward to seeing Ger in something this Fall. :-)
Laura Ruggiero (larug@s.......)
Temporary Die-Hard Coordinator (not the leader)
Die-Hards email me if you want to be in the FKFIC-L WAR, which starts on
July 13.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 03:31:59 GMT
From: Karen Parker <horcgal@u.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Horses
Whoa! Gotta comment on this one even though its not FK related.
Felicia...hope thats the right person, said that in real life its a fairly
accepted fact that horses never step on another living thing unless its
completely unavoidable. Ive been around the animals all my life, Ive met
MANY Many horses that have no problem stepping on anything, live or dead
that is in their way. Even had a couple that are avid dog haters. They will
run down and totally STOMP little dogs that make the mistake of wandering
through their corral. My dogs are lucky that they are just fast enough and
wirey enough to get back under the fence before they got a close up of a
pair of metal Reeboks!
Sorry for wasting bandwith.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:33:21 -0700
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Outer Limits ep.
On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Arletta Asbury wrote:
> Carrie wrote:
> >I have to say that the ep was weird, but then, it was Outer Limits,
> >after all. Ger played a cop!.
>
> I kinda liked it. Ger played a cop married to a doctor. Sound familiar?
It was a good-sized role, and I liked it fine. However (little kiddies,
leave the room):
There were naked people in it, but Ger wasn't one of them. Fully clothed
throughout. Even in bed with his wife, he seemed to wearing pajamas AND a
robe! Somewhat disappointing to me. Do I have to go to see him live on
stage to see him in less than full dress?
Sorry for this post--thanks for indulging my little attack of libido.
--Valery
kingv@u.......
12 days to the Gerthering!
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:40:27 -0700
From: Patty Winter <pwinter@b.......>
Subject: Showings of Ger's "Outer Limits" ep
Paula Hurley writes:
Does anyone know when the following stations will be airing
Ger's ep. of Outer Limits:
the CBS station out of Toledo, Ohio (I don't remember the
station letters)
If you have a local CBS affiliate that's showing the new Outer Limits,
it's picking it up in syndication. First-run broadcasts in the U.S.
are only on the Showtime cable network. Ergo Ger's episode will be
shown on your local station next year, as the syndies are currently
showing the first season.
Patty
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 03:48:18 GMT
From: Karen Parker <horcgal@u.......>
Subject: Re: Dracula and horses
Ive read in an old vampire books that the horse is to be a white stud who
has not been bred and who has never stumbled.
Some other "horse/vampire" things Ive read are that it is to be a mare that
is in season......also read about using a pregnant mare, she will avoid the
vamp. grave to protect her unborn foal.....there are too many stories about
different horses used for searching for vamps to mention and I dont wanna
get hollered at for wasting bandwith.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:55:51 -0700
From: Oppenheimer's <mjopp@x.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: LK & Blackwing
Spoiler space ahead
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
I think that the scenes were probably easy to come by and reused. Also,
they were graphically relevant to both episodes. Just my opinion.
JoJO
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:08:32 -0400
From: Jean Graham <JeanB7@a.......>
Subject: Themes in FK -- Reprise
Marcia Tucker asked:
>And BTW, about the Themes in FK, I seem to have missed the
>original post on this. Could a complete Themes list with
>the new additions possibly be posted, Jean? Thanks!
OK. Here's the most current list:
Themes in FOREVER KNIGHT
Light & Darkness (classical good vs. evil analogy) / hope vs. despair
Alienation, loneliness, the loner as an Outsider in both worlds
Self-loathing vs. self-acceptance
Humanity & the human condition: denying our base (evil) nature,
our 'animal' instincts, 'civilization' as a sham / veneer
Human foibles, comic and otherwise (Schanke)
Redemption / Medieval Catholic views on penance & atonement
Nihilism / futility / despair
Forbidden love / the 'untouchable' aspect / self-denial (Nick & Natalie)
Sensuality & sexuality (including bisexuality)
Morality vs. amorality (Lacroix)
Abuse & many deeper, darker psycho-sexual aspects of human
nature: sado-masochism, control, incest, slavery...
Immortality: the Dorian Gray syndrome, 'moving on'
Predators
Self-delusion (if you wish for it hard enough, can you bring it to pass?)
Guilt
Blood symbology, sensual on one side, religious on the other:
blood lust vs. blood redemption
Irony
Vampires as an overall metaphor to the human condition
Lacroix, Janette and Nick as a Dark Trinity (Father, son and...daughter!)
The Beast: control vs. losing control
Ambivalence: wanting something you also fear; being pulled in two
directions ("Just be yourself," / "Just change yourself.")
Neither a realistic alternative
The Soul / Eternity/Life After Death / God / Judgment
Intolerance & rigidity
Insensitivity (to needs, wants, fears & pain of others)
Inner demons / conflict / addictions
Archetypes of good & evil, but with divisions often blurred
Suicide -- an unforgivable sin?
Idealism / romanticism / altruism
Fatalism
Pathos / strong character empathy
"Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting" (Be very careful
what you wish for...)
Betrayal / rejection / trust
Rebellion
The fragility of life
Fate and defiance of fate: refusal to accept the supposedly inevitable
Struggle to overcome limitations
Love-hate relationships
Possession / obsession
Parent-child relationships / children and generations
Love vs. lust
Making choices: hard choices, wrong choices, and dealing with the consequences
Still happy to add any others y'all can think of...
--Jean Graham (JeanB7@a.......)
"When in doubt, have two guys come through the door with guns."
--Raymond Chandler
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:28:46 -0400
From: Susan Honig <Susankenn@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Outer Limits Ep
Ok
Was it more or did Ger hair look much darker. Maybe My TV set????
My tape went out in the middle of the show but I thought it was a blast that
he was married to a coroner.
And my question -He is the only male that sleeps in PJ's. We see a scene in
bed and not skin.
Oh Well
Sue
susankenn@a.......
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:49:46 -0400
From: Jean Graham <JeanB7@a.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix on wheels
Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......> wrote:
Re: Lacroix on Wheels:
> Lisa P. asked if Lacroix was ever seen driving...
>I've seen all the eps, and I have to say "NO". IMHO, he wouldn't be
>caught undead in a vehicle. Why drive when you can fly?
Could everyone take a close look at the end of "Father's Day"?
And please tell me who was driving the Rolls?
--Jean Graham (JeanB7@a.......)
...going back to look at her tape again, too. Maybe there was
a chauffeur hiding in there somewhere!
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:54:11 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: GWD on Outer Limits
I found it to be a nice performance. But YKYBWTMFK when your first thought
is NOW he goes to bed with the doctor!
I've read the complaints about Ger in pajamas, but considering he seemed to
be a bit on the stout side I think it was a good move.
Mary Davis
Forever Knight isn't cancelled, FK is NCIP - Not Currently In Production
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:06:36 -0400
From: Judith Freudenthal <DanaKnight@a.......>
Subject: New email address/GWD wkend auction, stuff
Due to MAJOR account problems I was forced to close my JudithF955 (@a.......)
account and open a new one - DanaKnight@a.......
I am missing Saturday's (6/15) Forkni digests and could some kind soul please
send me a copy.
Does anyone have a listing of what is being auctioned off at the GWD weekend?
DId we hit the $10,000 mark for the Pediatric AIDS charity? I will be
sending in my check in a day or two. Are there blooper scripts still
available?
In Blood Money I wonder if LC was trying to keep Nick dependent on him, by
keeping him financially unstable.
Judy
DanaKnight@a....... <- new address
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:06:29 -0400
From: Judith Freudenthal <DanaKnight@a.......>
Subject: Mercs
Mercs have also been known to accept payment from both sides. (If you hire
them to do something to x then x may also hire them (and possibly pay more)
for whatever x wants done).
But Mercs are generally honorable. If they accept a contract they will
fulfill it.
I have never hired one, but may consider it if I have time for full
participation this time. I do plan on full participation.
Judy
DanaKnight@a.......
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:06:44 -0400
From: Judith Freudenthal <DanaKnight@a.......>
Subject: Re: BM, CRCH & Money
Does Nat know about Nick's enormous wealth? I think she does but I'm not
sure.
Judy
DanaKnight@a.......
"In love and faith there is forever"
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:11:08 -0700
From: Bonnela <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Money and Sundry
Lisa Prince wrote:
that we have collected over $10,000 for PAF -- HURRAH for us and PAF!!!
Now, has anyone given blood lately?
Deborah wrote:
>Nick has tons of money because he stole a fortune and then let
>it compound.
Nick is a common thief (or is he more along the lines of a Cary Grant-type
thief)? Can someone please give details on this?
Question about 'If Looks Could Kill':
Did Nat know about the vampire-blood injections the Baroness was giving
those women?
And in case anyone is keeping a tally, Nick looked like he was in a pretty
good mood at the end of "Fatal Mistake" and "If Looks Could Kill."
Nick and Horses:
In "Hunters" LC, Janette, and Nick are all riding horses in the flashback.
This tells me that it was just coincidence that the horses spooked in LNMTA
-- also *stupidity* that the singer would have walked in front of the
rearing horses! Can you say 'bad career move'? I think we really have to
chalk this one up to plot devise (sorry, Ames -- hey, I think that nickname
is taking hold. Hope you don't mind. <g>).
Riding horses:
Someone asked if BB could ride a horse: while I am quite sure that Vachon
would be able to ride, having grown up in the early 1500's, I get the
feeling that Ben is a city-boy who has probably never been on a horse in his
life! Oh, for the opportunity to show him how!
Bonnie <callalily@l.......>
"If I were a more Vachonesque man, I'd have had my weapon with me." -- Sean
Connery comparing himself to Vachon and finding himself wanting; well,
aren't we all.<g>
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