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Logfile LOG9606C Part 7

June 16, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606C" Part 7

	Lacroix's wealth (Was: Nick and Horses)  (2)
	Lacroix's wealth-- and Nick's (Was: Nick and Horses)
	WAR:A Call To Arms
	In The Immortal Words Of LaCroix
	LK Blooper Script
	Request: Vachon Fan Fiction
	Drac movie reference
	Father's Day  (LK spoiler)
	WAR: A Call To Arms -- OOPS!
	*Curiouser and Curiouser*  (2)
	Nigel B.
	WAR: So, you need yourself a Merc?
	Divia question...
	Question of the Week
	Lacroix on Wheels  (3)
	Question about TV station
	Dying for Fame
	what are the commands to get old stories by authors or titles???  (2)
	Dracula and horses
	Bye Bye for Now . . . NAT!!!
	Happy Father's Day
	Fred Mollin and AOL FK Chat
	Words of wisdom
	FOREVER NET (was: Re: Lacroix on Wheels)
	SPOILER: LK & Blackwing

Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:33:53 -0400
From:         Deborah Menikoff <menikoff@p.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix's wealth (Was: Nick and Horses)

On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Deborah Sandine wrote:
> Someone commented in the horses thread that "Lacroix could have a stable of
> horses if he wanted to; he's certainly rich enough." (I'm paraphrasing
> ...Are we sure Lacroix is that rich?

Well he owns a great deal of property (or must have at one time) if we
are to put any stock into Janette's statement in "Can't Run Can't Hide".
Nick asks her is Lacroix ever mentioned Vietnam and she says that he only
did in regards to his plantations there. I believe she says "He had
plantations there...where didn't he have plantations."

This may not fall strictly into line with what he said to Nick in Blood
Money but um....(searching for a rationalization to cover writer
inconsistency)..Ah! You don't have to lug land around and...ummm no. Wait
give me second...Ah! Lacroix was annoyed at these delays and Nick didn't
realyy need the money so he was just wasting everyone's time. Or, Lacroix
was trying to discourage Nick from attaining any sort of financial
independence in order to keep him from straying too far. Or Perhaps he was
more displeased with Nick's method of getting the wealth. I mean, kidnapping
the dauphin is a pretty high profile way to pick up some extra spending money
 - even if he is in on it. And then to kill him and your other partner
anyway...well, you know what they say about honor among thieves :-)

Or it could just be lack of continuity :-)

____________ Deborah - first cousin once removed _____________
I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry
knows and Henry knows we know it. We're a knowledgable family."
___________________ menikoff@p....... ____________________
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 08:56:30 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix's wealth-- and Nick's (Was: Nick and Horses)

Deborah Menikoff, quoting Deborah Sandine:
>> ...Are we sure Lacroix is that rich?
>Well he owns a great deal of property (or must have at one time) if we
>are to put any stock into Janette's statement in "Can't Run Can't Hide".

Ah, but property (as many Old English Families, which have to struggle to pay
their rate and taxes could tell you) is not necessarily *wealth*.  Property
requires maintenance and upkeep to produce income, and I can't see LaCroix
bothering with that, frankly.  So he might own tons of land, but still not have
a lot of spendable income. :)  Unless he was in the habit of creating vampire
stewards to oversee the estate for him..... <g>

Then again, I figured, long before "Blood Money", that one reason Nick was rich
was that he was the type to buy a run-down estate within, say, an hour's flight
of London as a home base-- in 1720, for a couple of hundred pounds.  Then move
on and leave some old, established law firm in charge, sending them the odd
letter of transfer every 70 yrs or so.... and then be surprised as anything
when the firm writes him in 1980 saying that they've received an offer for his
property near Hampstead Heath (or whatever) and would he take $6 million pounds
for it, please? <g>

Diane E
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Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:38 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: WAR:A Call To Arms


May I assume you're planning on unearthing/reviving Vachon in War7? :)

Because if you are, I have a little favor to ask regarding his first
post-resurrection meal.

I want to volunteer. <g>


Diane E
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Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:13:10 -0400
From:         Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@u.......>
Subject:      Re: In The Immortal Words Of LaCroix

On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Lisa Prince wrote:

> Hey, Hey All :)
> In the immortal words of LaCroix -- "Neat."
> <insert amazing array of very Un-Cousin-like dancing around,
> bouncing, and squealing>
> As of this day, June 15, 1996, the Friends of Forever Knight
> charity drive for the Pediatric AIDS Foundation has surpassed the
> $10,000 mark.
>                         $10,003 to be exact
> Oh, happy day.  Break out the virtual champagne and chocolate.
> Grab your partner, doe-see-doe, throw your hands in the air, and
> wav'em like you just don't care.  Oh, yeah, we bad. Um-hm, A-hah.
> Oppps.  Sorry, I'm a wee bit excited.  Cousinly demeanor back on.
> Later all,
> Lisa

Fabulous!  How great it is to know I was a part of such a wonderful
accomplishment.  Congratulations to everyone involved.  This is quite cool.
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:24:17 -0500
From:         "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix's wealth (Was: Nick and Horses)

I suspect that Lacroix's disdain at Nicholas' "money making scheme" in Blood
Money has to do with the long-standing opinion that "real" wealth is in
LAND.  Having coin money (or banked money) as opposed to land puts Nicholas
in the same class as a merchant -- and a far step below his obviously noble
(or at least, gentlemanly) roots.

Lacroix may also have been of the opinion that simply having money in hand
*wouldn't last*, while having land that brings in revenue could be nearly
eternal.  Also, many members of the nobility felt that just *handling* money
-- other than coinage for tips to servants and such -- was demeaning.

Now, I admit, I have *not* seen Blood Money; but could it be that the actual
disagreement is not wealth itself, but the *kind*, and the different outlooks?

Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that
"characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:24:10 -0400
From:         Lisa Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject:      LK Blooper Script

Hey, Hey All :)

Since I've had a few people contact me since I posted my message
yesterday (In The Immortal Words Of LaCroix), I figured I'd clear
this up.  Yes, we have hit the $10,000 mark for PAF
<bounce-bounce-clappity-clappity>.  HOWEVER, the LK Blooper Scripts
as still available.  They will continue to be available for anyone
who wants one.  Donations will continue to be gathered for:

        Pediatric AIDS Foundation
        Casey House
        Children's Hospital Foundation

You can send a donation for one or all of these charities in order
to get a blooper script.  It's up to you.  Send a donation for the
charity that you want to support.  The checks for the charity
donation should be made out to the charity, not to me.

Along with your donation, please send $1.01 for return postage (4
stamps).  If you absolutely can't send stamps, a check for that
amount made out to me -- Lisa Prince -- is acceptable.

Send your donation and postage to:
        Lisa Prince
        000 Xxxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxx, Suite 000
        Xxxxxxx, XX  00000-0000

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

ObFK:  With all this talk of cars and such, I've been wondering --
Does LaCroix drive?  I don't remember ever seeing him drive.  I've
missed a couple of episodes, but I don't think I've ever heard
mention of his car or anything.  Anyone know?

Lisa Prince (Moonlight@g.......)  Official Charity Drive Organizer
Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Send to:  Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity,
000 Xxxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxx, Suite 000, Xxxxxxx, XX  00000-0000
Date:         Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:48:00 -0400
From:         Sheila Coneybeer <sconeybeer@e.......>
Subject:      Request: Vachon Fan Fiction

Hello the list!

I have been on board this and the fanfic list about a week, spending most of
that time downloading any fan fiction I found that had Vachon in it, no
matter how brief the appearance.  I have been getting it from the fan fiction
list as well as the web page (maintained by M Moser).  I got everything off
the April and May lists, and even downloaded the fkfanfic archives.  Haven't
done a DB search yet, heard it isn't always sucessful.  I am hoping that some
other Vaqueros/Vaqueras (or members of any other factions) will take pity on
this latecomer and email me (privately) with any stories, poems, songs etc.
that I have missed that in any way mention, refer to, hint at, etc. our
Hispanic heartthrob, Javier Vachon.

Thanks for indulging this obsessive personality.

     Sheila Coneybeer   <sconeybeer@e.......>
     A dedicated Vaquera with Knightie overtones,
     Sympathetic to RatPackers
     'The sun is yet to rise.  It is still Forever Knight.'
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:53:55 -0400
From:         Sheila Coneybeer <sconeybeer@e.......>
Subject:      Drac movie reference

Robert Edward Buchta writes:

>My personal favorite is the dreamy/dreadful scene of the pure white
>horse pawing at the grave of a newly buried vamp.  Now if I could only
>remember *which* Dracula movie that's in...

The Dracula movie that had the white horse pawing the grave was the
version starring Frank Langella as Drac and Sir Lawrence Olivier as Van
Sheila Coneybeer   <sconeybeer@e.......>
A dedicated Vaquera with Knightie overtones,
Sympathetic to RatPackers
'The sun is yet to rise.  It is still Forever Knight.'
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:46:22 -0400
From:         Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject:      Father's Day  (LK spoiler)


LaCroix ... Grandpere....

I went by the loft and it was empty.  The Raven is closed.

Where are you?

Wherever you are, I hope you are well.  And ... happy Father's Day.

With deepest respect,

PS.  If you see this, please, please let me know where you are.  I miss you.
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:52:23 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: WAR: A Call To Arms -- OOPS!

Umm.... ah....

Sorry, guys, that was *obviously* supposed to go to Torrey.

<sigh>  I should know better than to send e-mail before I've had my morning

Diane E
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Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:26:32 -0500
From:         Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject:      *Curiouser and Curiouser*

Dr Funke wrote a while back:
>Would Nick's condition/dream/whatever-you-want-to-call-it...affect any
>immortal who tried to become moral?  Was it a function of his nature
>bucking his actions, or was it the cumulative effect of too much bovine
>blood, or what?

Just my opinions here, but I think what happened to Nick in C&C would
happen to any immortal who felt similarly as Nick that it's wrong to
feed on human blood.  How long it would take would maybe depend on
whether the vampire in question felt guilty about his past feeding on
humans and *how much* guilt he felt about it.  I believe that a vampire
who switches to animal blood when he didn't start out with it in the
first place is going against his vampire nature.  I also think that
animal blood doesn't make for as great strength in the vampire that
lives on it as human blood does in the vampire that follows his nature
to feed on humans.  So yes, I think Nick going against his nature and
his diet of cow blood contributed to what happened to him in C&C.

Perhaps those vampires who formerly fed on human blood but stopped
doing so *without* feeling guilty would experience some other delusion.

>Did he just want to become mortal so badly that he started hallucinating
>that he was?  What exactly happened, and under what circumstances would
>it happen again?

Well, seeing how Nick has wanted to be mortal for a long time, I think
that wish played a part in the shaping of his delusion.  LC attributed
what happened to Nick to guilt.  This seems to be evident in his
delusion (that guilt played a factor).  Although Nick hasn't fed on
any humans in a long while, he *still* has felt guilt for other things
as evidenced by what happens in C&C.  So perhaps the key to avoiding a
similar delusion in the future is to a)try to avoid feeling too guilty
and b)drink some human blood occasionally.

One other thing that someone brought up after C&C first aired was the
possibility that LC was directly influencing Nick's mind during his
delusion.  I think that this could be possible as well since I don't
think Nick "dreamed" what was happening in C&C, but that he had
actually slipped into a "demented" state for a while.  If this was the
case, LC might only have been able to reach Nick through a direct
mental intrusion into his thoughts and without such intervention, Nick
might have taken much longer to "come out of it".  This direct
intervention of LC would probably have been in the scenes where Nick
talks to a "dead" LC in the bar and then gets beaten up by him.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
(still clearing through old files)
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:48:25 -0400
From:         sylvie <quinn@m.......>
Subject:      Nigel B.

Hi everyone,when checking a tape that I was doing for a friend.I have
discovered that Nigel was on LONESOME DOVE;THE OUTLAW YEARS,if anyone needs
a copy of that
email me privately and.a.s.a.p.  as this tape will be ship to my friend in
the middle of next week, so will take request until monday (midnight), I
collect Geraint only so I am not keeping for myself.
 I also have C" Disher on THE CAMPBELLS that is a  half an hour Canadian
show,this I will also not keep for long as I do not collect on
Catherine,same as above.
Please send a listing of what you have on Geraint as trade.


Sylvie  quinn@e.......
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 10:47:17 -0700
From:         Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject:      WAR: So, you need yourself a Merc?

Looking through the Merc Guild Archives in preparation for the
war next month, I realized that most people-- especially war
newbies-- won't really know what a Merc is or what deviousness
you can accomplish with one. They may think that hiring a Merc
is simply out of their league (they may say this even though they
have access to characters with *very* deep pockets-- hint hint <g>).

So here, judiciously excerpted from the "Merc 101" info sent to
newbie Mercs is something for the rest of the factions:


"Introduction to the Mercenary Guild"
(or "How to Play Dirty While Keeping Your Hands Clean" <vvvvbg>)
   by Dianne la Mercenaire
      Grand High Poohbah of the Mercenary Guild

Hello all.

***"The Mercs have never been known for sheer numbers (like, say,
*** the Knighties) but for a certain devious, money-grubbing,
*** sneaky, and...well...downright _mercenary_ nature."

The most FAQ of all:  "What do Mercs _do_ anyway???"
The Answer:  "Whatever you need!" <vbg>

Mercs can be anything from hired muscle or extras for the
background of someone's else's post all the way to writing up a
whole post _for_ someone else--whether or not they appear in it.

Different Mercs specialize, and different assignments require
different levels of payment (to be negotiated on a case-by-case
basis with the Merc of your choosing). Mercs will be advertising
as the war approaches, or you may email to me in the next few
weeks and I will happily foward to you a list of Mercs who are
currently accepting contracts.

To answer the second most FAQ:

*  All Mercs work for virtual payment.   *

This may seem obvious, but I've gotten questions....  This,
however leads to some guidelines and pitfalls of its own:
        Don't overdo it.  Don't offer someone "a million
dollars" to do something.  Inflation's a bitch-- virtual
or not-- and no one likes to be treated like an expensive
        It's much more fun to haggle and bargain and make deals.
We discourage offers of cash.  Why, you may ask?  Because it's
boring... and so _crass_.  You don't have to offer the traditional
chocolate-- some Mercs don't _do_ chocolate (although, if you do,
you can be very specific:  a suicase full of m&ms...a selection
of expensive imported beligian truffles...)
        Try talking to your prospective Merc and arranging something
creative.  If they've got Knightie tendancies, maybe they would
appreciate a lock of Nick's hair?  A gold-plated Merc pin? Whatever...
It's not the $ value that counts, it's the fun.  And trust me, by
arranging *unusual* payments, you will be arranging fodder for more
stories...  which benefits us all.

And please remember:

*    Sneakiness is a Merc's badge of pride   *

A good friend and war veteran wrote me a note expressing her
concern over the last impending war that said (in part):

     I guess I was reacting to the host of posts that seem
     to assume that this is a REAL, blood-and-pain type war,
     and the Mercs are more like Rambo than the sneaky,
     devious, indirect lot you mostly are.
     (That's a compliment, BTW) :)

Yes, it *is* a compliment!  While Mercs can certainly hire out
as plain muscle, we're even better at plotting, planning,

So, in summary, remember your friendly, local Mercenary Guild,
should you ever need a creative way out of a sticky situation.
(Or a creative way *in*...whatever...)

Remember, we're *always* here.


Grand High Poohbah of the Mercenary Guild

Dianne la Mercenaire...   -*-   <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
[SOS-FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html]
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:54:45 -0400
From:         Bast Khemet <bast@c.......>
Subject:      Divia question...

Does anyone happen to know who brought Divia across?  I can't remember
his name, and it works in with the fanfic that I'm writing.  Private
e-mail works best for the reply!  Thanks!

**Member of the Mercenary Guild  **Natpacker   (with Cousin tendencies)
**Duchovnik  **Platygean  **K-nigget  **SKLer  **CSS
"I'm not good, I'm not nice, I'm just right.  I'm the witch." -Into the Woods
fnord.  This line does not exist.
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:22:27 -0400
From:         Bast Khemet <bast@c.......>
Subject:      Re: Question of the Week

On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Frederic Ferland wrote:
>  ** Tracy comes to you and asks you to give her a new look.  What do you do?

Fred, you asked for it!  Tracy needs a new look...hmm...

The first thing we do is ditch the blond hair.  *Bast looks at the array
of colors that Manic Panic has*  I'm thinking that purple is *definitely*
her color.  Clothing...new clothing...ok, here's a red (to contrast with the
hair) velvet shirt (with long sleeves).  You're going to want a skirt to
go with that, jeans will *not* do.  *Bast pulls out a short velvet skirt
in a matching red*  Very nice, I like that.  Black lace nylons are going
to have to be worn with that, and here...*Bast tosses a pair of black
leather knee-high lace up boots at Tracy*...wear these.  There's a
leather jacket on the sofa, that'll be perfect.

Ok, so I can't imagine Tracy looking like that, if she managed to pull it
off, it'd look good.  (What can I say, the Gothic look is in among my
friends and I.)

**Member of the Mercenary Guild  **Natpacker   (with Cousin tendencies)
**Duchovnik  **Platygean  **K-nigget  **SKLer  **CSS
"I'm not good, I'm not nice, I'm just right.  I'm the witch." -Into the Woods
fnord.  This line does not exist.
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:33:40 -0700
From:         Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix on Wheels

Hey there!

   Lisa P. asked if Lacroix was ever seen driving...
Ive seen all the eps, and I have to say "NO".  IMHO, he wouldn't be
caught undead in a vehicle.  Why drive when you can fly?

And let me add my congrats to everyone who contributed to the Charity.
We should all be proud, and glad for the aid going to the children.
(virtual back pats for us all!)

Toni S.
Vaquera & Knightie from NYC
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:52:37 -0700
From:         Romina Campos <raven@a.......>
Subject:      Question about TV station

You guys always seem to know everything, so maybe you
can help me with this:

I contacted my TV station and asked them if they would show
more FK eps (we only had first season, Killier Instinc, Bad
Blood and then nothing). They told me that their broadcast
schedule was booked up, low ratings, etc. They also said:
"besides, we have no new eps". The question is: Is it possible
for them to buy a whole season and then only two eps from the
next one?

Inquiring minds want to know...
(always wanted to say that :) )

Romina-----------Nick&Natpacker--------ForgottenRealms DM------
"I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence,
there's one called brightness but it doesn't work!"
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:01:56 EST
From:         Rebecca Burns <rburns@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Dying for Fame

On Sat 15-Jun-1996 11:28a, dotti rhodes wrote:

dr> This is so true Ray, which is why during the last few eps of season 3 I
dr> think Nick looks so damned tired and worn out, he's just had it, and I
dr> think by the time LK happens, he's ready to be staked...

This is so true!   I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

Bouncin' Cousin Becky
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:17:00 -0400
From:         Marcel Bedard <bedardma@e.......>
Subject:      what are the commands to get old stories by authors or titles???

I'm so sorry to ask this I know someone posted the
        commands once but I can't seem to find them so could
        someone e-mail me the commands to find old stories
        on listserv???  (by author or by title)

                        Thank You Kindly!


Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:10:46 -0400
From:         "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Dracula and horses

The white horse pawing at the grave appears in the Langella DRACULA.  It's
based on actual legend, the tradition that a vampire's grave can be
identified by either leading a pure black or white horse around the cemetery,
or better yet having him ridden by a virgin boy -- and to be strictly
correct, the horse should be a virgin, too.  The grave over which the horse
refuses to ride will be the vampire's.  One of Manly Wade Wellman's stories
uses this folklore tidbit.
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:12:09 -0400
From:         Nathanial Cook <NatRobin@a.......>
Subject:      Bye Bye for Now . . . NAT!!!

To all:

I've got to take a little time off from the list to catch up with some other
parts of my life.  Don't worry, though -- I'll keep up the good work towards
spreading the FK gospel.

I haven't been able to read and respond to all my e-mail lately, and if I
can't participate, why keep getting it sent to me.

I just need a breather -- a few weeks, hopefully.

Love to all, and a share of HOPE to each of you.

NAT!!!  (Raven, Out of Sight, Not Out of Mind)
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:18:33 -0400
From:         Ben Arnold <Bradwyr@a.......>
Subject:      Re: what are the commands to get old stories by authors or

In a message dated 96-06-16 15:39:05 EDT, you write:

>I'm so sorry to ask this I know someone posted the
>        commands once but I can't seem to find them so could
>        someone e-mail me the commands to find old stories
>        on listserv???  (by author or by title)

I need to know this too. Thanks!

*Knightie Forever!*
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:03:17 -0400
From:         "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix on Wheels

There's a cute fanfic story called something like "Mr. LaCroix's Wild Ride,"
in which Nick and Janette try to teach LC to drive.  It's set in the 20s or
30s.  I read it in one of the Forever Net zines (selections from the fiction
list, I guess, right?).
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:13:46 -2055
From:         "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject:      Re: *Curiouser and Curiouser*

Hi Gang,
IMHO the events that occurred in Curiouser and Curiouser were actually a
product of mad cow disease (the first undocumented case, that is).  Hee,
hee, hee.

Katherine, devoted to the Knight
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:37:58 -0700
From:         Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject:      Happy Father's Day

I'd like to wish a happy Father's Day to Ger, Nigel, and Cedric Smith.

Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
I've got places to go, people to dissect. - Natalie Lambert
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:21:35 -0700
From:         Rick Bleyle <papaya@i.......>
Subject:      stories


thinking up a good story. And... I could use some help if anyone has
*any* ideas then I'd be more than happy to here them!!
                Kelley Bleyle

Kelley Bleyle
"you may envy mortality but, never aspir to it." LaCriox
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:32:43 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix on Wheels

>There's a cute fanfic story called something like "Mr. LaCroix's Wild Ride,"
>in which Nick and Janette try to teach LC to drive.  It's set in the 20s or
>30s.  I read it in one of the Forever Net zines (selections from the fiction
>list, I guess, right?).

It's called "LaCroix Takes The Wheel", I believe.

Diane E
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# "Automatic transmission, Nicholas!" LaCroix, in the      #
# story mentioned above. <g>                               #
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:02:31 -0400
From:         Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject:      Fred Mollin and AOL FK Chat

As promised, AOL listfriends, I got Fred to declare that he WILL be at the FK
Chat this Monday!

If you remember, Fred could not come last week because he was unexpectedly
delayed at the studio with work on the Jimmy Webb album he's producing.

After an Instant Message and two e-mails, Fred said he will be there for sure
tomorrow night!

That's at keyword: TV GOSSIP > double click on The Remote Control at the end
of the list in the scroll box and you're in!!

The chat is at 11 pm Eastern, 8 pm Pacific.

For the sake of our special guest, I am asking that questions to Fred be sent
me via IM during the chat, NOT onscreen.  This is to avoid repeated questions
and an avalanche of questions for our guest.  I will type the questions to
the screen for Fred to answer one at a time.  Thanks in advance for your

Marcia Tucker / scfimarci@a.......
AOL FK Chat Host / Forever Fred Fan (FFF)
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:12:51 -0400
From:         "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Words of wisdom

While sunning myself today, I read in the Boston Herald's T.V. Guide's Cover
Story about series from the 60s that refuse to die (The Avengers, Dark
Shadows, Star Trek, etc.).  The very last sentence of the article struck me
as being inspirational in regards to our favorite series, and I wanted to
share it with you.

    "For some series, cancellation can mark the beginning of a robust

Forever Knight - not an end, but a transition to an *afterlife*.


Another thing I read in the Herald caught my attention and forces me to give
you another YKYB...

YKYB, etc. etc. when you read that Ida Lambert, 94 year old organist, retired
from playing in a church.  When no one offered to take over, they replaced
her with a - and I swear to God that I thought it said - cow chip.  But upon
a second look it said computer chip.  Too much sun...definitely.

Lisa Patnaude

Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies  <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a.......  -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t.......  -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:17:53 -0700
From:         Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject:      FOREVER NET (was: Re: Lacroix on Wheels)

On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, D Echelbarger wrote:

> >There's a cute fanfic story called something like "Mr. LaCroix's Wild Ride,"
{little snip}
> >30s.  I read it in one of the Forever Net zines (selections from the fiction
> >list, I guess, right?).
> It's called "LaCroix Takes The Wheel", I believe.

The story is by Diane Trap (hi there, Diane!) and is called "LaCroix
Takes the Wheel, or Driving Mr. LaCroix, or Mr. LaCroix's Wild Ride" so
everyone's right. It is in FOREVER NET #4.

There's a bunch of new people on the list since I made my last
announcement, so I'll do that now.


FOREVER NET is "the electronic zine on paper," of stories, poems, and
other less categorizable stuff from FKFIC-L, FORKNI-L and even FKSPOILR.
I started publishing even before the fiction list existed, because I and
my partner Karin Welss (who had to bow out around issue 3 because of
pressures of work and her own professional writing career, but still
offers me some advise and assistance when possible) thought there was too
much good stuff showing up on the lists to let go off into cyberspace with
no more permanant acknowledgement. Besides, there are STILL too many fans
who love this stuff who don't have access to the lists, and it was mostly
for them that I wanted to do this.

Then people who'd already read the stories before started asking for
copies, too. A lot of us just find it real hard to curl up in bed or on
the bus with a computer terminal, or just plain spend too much time at the
computer anyway and like the break. And like having permenent copies of
these wonderful stories. And like being able to hand them to their friends
and say, "Here, read this great story!" And like being eligible for Fan Q
awards at MediaWest*Con (e-stuff isn't, not yet anyway). Or all kinds of
other reasons.

The zine pre-dated the ftp list and Darkangel's much-mourned web page,
and some of the earlier stories aren't available anywhere else even now.

There are four regular and two special issues available, and if you're
interested email me and I'll send you a "flyer" detailing what's in them
and giving ordering information. Unfortunately Real Life (tm) has sharply
curtailed my own fanzine activities and there hasn't been a new issue in
awhile--so these stories are all first and second season (no third). And
it isn't everything, just what I hope is a representation of some of the

If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to e-mail me.

Date:         Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:18:47 -0700
From:         Idalia Kakesako <idaliak@i.......>
Subject:      SPOILER: LK & Blackwing

A small question regarding Blackwing & Last Knight:


(Is this enough space?)

People were speculating on the significance of the images Natalie received
from Nick when he fed from her at the end of LK.  Interestingly, Marion
Blackwing received many of the *same* images from Nick when she came into
contact with him (when he touched her at the crime scene, during their first
Spirit Walk/bedroom encounter, etc).  Could this mean, then, that these
images are *always* present around Nick & that they didn't necessarily have
any special bearing on his feelings for Nat?  Are they how he perceives
himself?  Are they things he considers the most important, or that he
remembers the most?

Or, following the recent "no hidden subtext" thread, are they merely scenes
which the directors/editors/producers felt were the most visually
interesting and/or action-oriented?  (Or maybe those tapes were easier to
obtain?) <g>

Just wondering,

Idalia Kakesako  <idaliak@i.......>
Light Cousin, NatPacker, N&N Packer

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