FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9604B Part 1
April 6-April 7, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604B" Part 1
TOPICS:
A Show of Support for Jamie MR, re: The Kindred Ban
Nick's a wimp (3)
Difference in FK from Beginning to Now (2)
Nick's children (5)
Tracy is Nick Jr.(was Re: Difference in FK...) (2)
State of the fight?
Dracula: the series (2)
The Other Show
LIST RULES: NO MORE KINDRED, PLEASE!!!
The Unnamed
Off-topic, but HILARIOUS
Tulsa Party and YKYB...
Nick as Parent (was Re: Nick's first night)
Feeding and Enforcers
The Gerthering
YKYBWTMFK.... (2)
Tracy is Nick Jr.
NB on KF:TLC
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:01:30 -0500
From: Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: A Show of Support for Jamie MR, re: The Kindred Ban
Here's my $.02 on this Kindred business...
(Disclaimer: I'm not a Listowner, though I did once volunteer for the list
janitor job...)
I completely support Jamie's ban on discussion of The Kindred. This _is_ a
list for Forever Knight, not a discussion group on why The Kindred is such a
miserable rip-off of Forever Knight (I haven't even seen The Kindred, but from
what I've heard, the plaigarism _is_ obscene)
Furthermore, Jean very likely pays money from her own pocket to keep these
lists going, and talking about another show not only needlessly increases the
volume of the lists (_and_ the strain on her pocketbook, not to mention the
tension level of the bigwigs at PSUVM), but subverts the original purpose of
these lists. This might be "our" list to use, but it's not ours to rule,
nor is it a democracy - so let's respect the wishes of our landlords - please.
Cheers,
Cousin Will
---
Will Steeves, B.Sc. (Toronto, 1991), goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD"
Publisher & Managing Editor, The New Edition (U of T); Nu '96, Psi Upsilon
Ontario Area Co-Coordinator, FREE (http://www.vix.com/free)
If possession is 9/10 of the law, what's the other 1/10? - Steeves' Laws Vol. I
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:09:46 -2055
From: "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's a wimp
Sandra Gray writes:
>Nick is not a wimp....To persevere in the face of such overwhelming, and
for him *unnatural*, odds takes an enormous strength, imo.
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa. I do think that Nick's character and motives are
exceptional considering his vampiric drives and he is by far my favorite
character. I engaged in this discussion for purely devilish reasons,
wanting to get some kind of response, any response. because well, I've
been feeling cranky a condition that is due almost entirely to the fact
that its been A WHOLE WEEK SINCE THE LAST EPISODE OF FK. I shall now slink
away a review one NiQ to restore my sanity.
Katherine, of the newly contrite
lqueen@p.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:12:12 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Difference in FK from Beginning to Now
After reading Dotti's interesting post, I wanted to make some comments.
First season for me has always been the *best* season for several
reasons. First and formost (and what has been missing in subsequent
seasons) is the "mythic" quality, the "bigness" of the stories.
The story is about Nick's struggle not just to be mortal again, but
to be "good" instead of "evil". LC was a representation of what Nick
could become if he chose the "evil" side. Then we had Nat and Janette
representing opposing "lures" for Nick: Nat to his hopes for the
future, Janette for the past and vampirism. Janette was always (to
me) the representative of what Nick found pleasant in his past as a
vampire, and the show, I think, definitely suffers with her loss.
In addition, bringing LC back to "life" for second season turned
Nick's quest from "I want to escape from evil." into "I want to escape
from my Dad." LC and Nick were both weakened as characters with
LC's return: LC couldn't be shown to be as cruel and Nick was made
to "live with him" rather than "triumph" over him. I hope part of
the reason (and this is not meant to offend any Cousins) that LC was
not used as much in third season as second season was because TPTB
realized the damage they were doing to the show by focusing on LC so
much.
There is still much to enjoy in the second and third seasons, but
I miss the "mythic" qualities of first season sometimes. It was
more a struggle of the *soul* then, and a soul on a delicate
balance (in the earlier eps, you weren't always sure Nick would
stay a "good guy"). I wish that it was first season that SFC was
starting with since I think the show would garner more new fans if
they started at the beginning.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:08:35 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's children
>None of the vampires in the Toronto community are homicidal maniacs, they do
>not kill any longer.
Is this Forever Knight canon? We've certainly seen LaCroix kill a number of
times. When Schanke asks Janette, "What do you do when you get tired of
someone, she says, "In my case, usually homocide." There's also a scene where
Vachon says to Nick, "Remember how simple it was in the old days? If you
wanted a woman, you could just take her." LaCroix chimes in, "It still can be,
if we are true to our natures. Operate discreetly."
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:28:17 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy is Nick Jr.(was Re: Difference in FK...)
Amy writes:
>She started out as a kind of "Nat Jr,"...and she has turned into Nick
>Jr, completely obliterating the tension and contrast that make a
>pairing interesting.
Well, other than Tracy having met up with a vampire, I have never
thought she was that much like Nat. I think it was deliberate that
she be more like Nick. But TPTB haven't done much along the lines
of what I wanted to see them do with Tracy and Nick--explore their
similarities.
Schanke provided contrast to Nick, that's true. And that was
interesting and I do miss Schanke. But Nick found it harder to really
relate to Schanke because Schanke's life and outlook on it was so very
different. There had to be a certain element of envy on Nick's part
for all the *mortal* things Schanke had that Nick would like to
experience (love, family, children, *food* :) ). It added to the
pathos of Nick's existence to relate to Schanke.
OTOH, as you mentioned, Tracy is similar to Nick in some respects.
I personally think that it would help Nick to become closer to Tracy
and to understand that things he has consider the banes of his
vampire life (a controlling father, "differentness" enforced by
who you are, etc.) can be factors in a *mortal* life that some
*mortals* have to deal with as well. It could act to make Nick feel
more connected to humanity to have him see more of his own life in
Tracy. Nick and Tracy had the potential to become a "family" of
their own, but with only four remaining eps, I doubt we'll see this
potential relationship developed unless we get FK movies or
something and even then...
To some extent, Nat has made Nick see that he can be human. But Nat
knows Nick's a vampire so on some level, he may consider her motives
suspect. Tracy thinks Nick is a human, so he could be assured that
her problems and reactions are expressed as human to human.
Just some thoughts. :)
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 22:33:54 -0700
From: Charles Krause <cckrause@a.......>
Subject: State of the fight?
Anyone know the current state of the fight to get Forever Knight re-instated? I
didn't even
know it was going down till I found the list :< Not meaning to sound overly
pessimistic but the LAST
show I got involved in fighting for when down anyways. Anyone remember VR.5?
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:46:16 EST
From: Kenneth Dare <102226.1213@c.......>
Subject: Dracula: the series
Hi all.
Why didn't anyone tell me that Dracula: The Series was on? You know the one
with GWD. My dad found it on the Sci-Fi channel (yes I get the SF) today while
I was at work. He was surfing the channels and saw GWD and said ( get this)
...
"I saw that guy that plays that, .......you know the vampire cop, what his
name.
Nick?" I cringed when he said that. Anyway he taped about the last fifteen
minutes. Now Ive seen Ger in ofcorse Forever Knight, Airwolf, and an episod of
Matrax (sp?) and now Dracula.
The first time I see him its night he is dressed in black and wearing shades
and his hair is cut short and slicked back. I'm sorry I snickered. Actually
I whent into a laughing fit. I looked in the TV guide but couln't find it on
again. Does any one know if and or when it will be on again?
ObFK....... Umm, well lets see, in Dracula: the series I noticed, Okay dad
noticed that the older the vampire the longer the fangs. Is that where the
saying "A littler long in the tooth" comes from? Anyway what I wanted to ask
is
there anything like that on FK. I mean is there any physical differences as
vampires get older. I've only seen the thrid season, so I haven't seen any,
but
I thought I saw someone say that Enforcers also had inlarged fangs. Is this
right?
-------------
Brandy
Nick&Nat Packer with a dash of Cousin
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:49:42 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: The Other Show
Your wish is my command:
Here are addresses for _Entertainment Weekly_.
snail mail: Entertainment Weekly
1675 Broadway
New York, NY 10019
e-mail: EW is located at AOL, keyword: EW.
go forth children of the Knight, let all the Hands be at work --
educating those in need of truth.
Barbara
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:13:34 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: LIST RULES: NO MORE KINDRED, PLEASE!!!
In a message dated 96-04-06 19:03:10 EST, you write:
>I guess what I'm asking here is: Are we banning off-topic postings, or
>are we banning _all_ postings that mention the Kindred?
Personally, I hope for the latter. I actually LIKED the Kindred, but if I
hear anymore about it, or any more people comparing it to FK or anything else
I think I'm going to scream!!!! I LOVE talking about Forever Knight
constantly, if I wanted to talk about Kindred constantly, I'd go join or
start a Kindred list.... and I DON'T WANT TO!!!
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
Seducer, CO-CFW for Evil
MacLeod, Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:22:27 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: The Unnamed
In a message dated 96-04-06 22:58:55 EST, you write:
>I didn't say anything before, but I do like "The Seducers" for LC and
>Janette, but I'm a little confused on it. I don't see that as a "couple"
>faction like the others,
As the Co-founder of the Seducers faction.... I must agree, in part!!!!
But you have to agree the chemistry between those 2.... WOW!!!! Those
scenes in HF (I know it's still a Spoiler, but for those who've seen they
know what I mean :) and in Father's Day, the way he just touches her and
Janette tells him everything.... just call it people who watch so much
Forever Knight that they notice these tiny things and decide to read WAY too
much into them, but then, why not :)
but as a Deadly Team faction - LC and Janette as a
>combined force to be reckoned with! Nick can attest to that! Hmmm... the
>fan fic wheels are turning...
Nice idea!!!! I've already started what I consider the first real Seducer
story, which is kind of romance, kind of not, and has some flashbacks to
before Nick the brick ever came into Janette and LaCroix's life, now if only
the SHOW could do that to.... oh well, that's what fan-fiction is for! BTW:
If anyone knows of any LC and Janette stories that were written before PLEASE
tell me where to find them so I can happily read them, you know there are
exactly 3 scenes in the entire series where Janette and LaCroix are alone
together without Nick!!! THREE!!!! It's sad, isn't it?
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
Seducer, CO-CFW for Evil
MacLeod, Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:44:39 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Off-topic, but HILARIOUS
Andy mentioned:
> anyway, if you want more headlines along these lines (plus ads, street
>signs, etc of a similar vein), I recommened National Lampoon's True
>Facts: The Big Book.
Including the famous Jim Jones Drive-- which just happens to be a dead end.
OKay, okay, ObFK: Lame one. You know you've been watching too much FK when
Uncle makes a cameo in almost all your dreams. I'm tired, and FK is on.
I'm not coherent.
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Tell me what that "sleep" thing is again?
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:11:55 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Tulsa Party and YKYB...
Okay, for all those considering coming to my LK Party, I need to know some
things:
1. Do you prefer chocolate or white cake?
2. What kind of ice cream do you like? (These go together, due to something
unbelievably cool I saw in Baskin-Robbins)
3. Does anyone have any food allergies I would need to work around?
Also, my latest YKYBWTMFK. I've finally decided what tattoo to save up for!
Black. On my shoulder. FK logo. Word KNIGHT gradating from black to red.
Should be spiffy when I can get the money and get to Kansas...
Off to check my two-hour soaking Ether eggs!
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Tell me what that "sleep" thing is again?
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:04:01 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick as Parent (was Re: Nick's first night)
>Fever: Nick brings across that doctor (in a flashback) and then abandons
>him to the vengence of the crowd because he is totally out of control.
> *Do we see a trend here?*
(LaCroix, shaking finger) "Nicholas! How many times have I told you not to
waste food?"
3 hours, 30 minutes and counting...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Tell me what that "sleep" thing is again?
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 02:02:36 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Feeding and Enforcers
Katherine writes:
>I haven't seen any of the earlier episodes so I didn't realize that
>most of the Toronto vamp contigent aren't eating people...BTW - what
>exactly is the goal of the enforcers and who decides who they are?
First, I don't think it's that definte that the Toronto vamps aren't
eating people. I think in this day and age that disguising a vampire
kill or disposing of a body in such a way that it won't easily be
found is a more necessary practice. It is also possible that blood
is obtained in other ways (blood banks, live "donations" without the
person "donating" being killed, human "farms" for all we know). Some
other vampires besides Nick may feed on animal blood too for all we
know.
However, we *have* seen people killed in the present day. In the
first premeire two-parter, LC kills a museum guard (unnecessarily,
imo) when he goes to steal a Mayan cup that legend says can be (paired
with a second one) used to escape vampirism. Vampire Jack the Ripper
comes to town in Bad Blood and kills people (but rips them apart too,
so sort of disguises their deaths). Jack is killed in the end.
LC killed a man pretending to be a vampire in second season's
Stranger Than Fiction, and killed a man after he "returned to life"
in the last episode of first season, Love You to Death. LC has
brought over a couple of people in the present day also (which I
would think involves blood draining). When there was a panic that
an asteroid was going to hit the earth in A More Permanent Hell
(second season) some of the city's vampires went out and killed
people. There may be other examples I've forgotten, but the facts
are that there *are* still some kills by vampires going on in the
present day. Nat usually tries to cover up for them when she sees
evidence of vampire killings.
We were never told how Enforcers are picked and we've only seen them
in one episode (first season's Unreality TV), although they have been
referred to in a couple other episodes. But even LC seems to accord
them some deference and respect. Basically, their job is to protect
vampires from *verifiable* discovery by mortals. In Unreality TV,
LC was photographed attacking a fallen soldier in a Civil War
battlefield; in the present, a news reporter captured Nick *flying*
to catch a criminal. In both case, such "proof" that vampires exist
makes each mortal unhypnotizable. In the past, the Enforcers killed
the photographer and wanted to kill Nick (he had been *wrongly* given
the responsibility by LC to see that the matter was taken care of and
had tried to hypnotize the man to preserve his life, but to no avail)
but LC stepped forward and admitted that the fault was his. They
also destroyed the evidence. In the present, they came after the
reporter and Nick saves her by having her turn over her videotaped
proof to them and then hypnotizing her (once the proof was gone, he
was able to do so) into forgetting what she had seen (although there
is speculation that the hypnotism didn't last, but if so, she realized
her good fortune depended on her silence). The Enforcers resembled
"hit men". They were able to communicate with each other without
speaking (and apparently LC could also understand their telepathy).
It is apparently only people who want to expose vampires "publicly"
who are hunted by them and even then, it is normally the vampire who
allowed himself or herself to be "verifiably identified" as a vampire
who is supposed to take care of the problem. If the vampire doesn't
do it, the Enforcers can show up to punish both mortal and vampire
with death. Some people have wondered why Nat hasn't been a targer,
but it's because she hasn't tried to go public with any of the "proof"
she might have acquired in helping Nick. Some people also speculate
that if Nat cured Nick, the Enforcers would not be happy with that
either but I'm not as sure that would be so. I think it would depend
on whether Nat and Nick made his cure public knowledge (and I don't
see Nick wanting to do that. He may want to be mortal himself, but
he doesn't seem to want to impose his viewpoint on any other vampires.).
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 04:05:34 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's children
At 10:39 PM 4/6/96 -0500, Jane wrote:
>
>
>Where has it ever been said that the vampires in Toronto don't kill any
>longer? I remember comments about it being dangerous and foolish, but not
>an explicit statement that it never happens.
>
True, there is no written law about it, but from was mentioned by Janette
before and other comments, it's seemed to be just one of those unwritten law.
>There have been occasions where Natalie has covered up vampire kills. Off
>hand, I can recall the guard in Dark Knight and the multitudes in A More
>Permanent Hell. There may have been more.
>
The guard in Dark Knight was killed by LaCroix in an attempt to get at Nick
so that doesn't really count. Also, during A More Permanent Hell everyone
was acting stupid, so the vamps were sort of cleaning house - not a normal
situation either.
>IMHO, there are still some vampires in Toronto who kill. They are just
>super aware of the Code, the Enforcers and the consequences of not carefully
>hiding their victims' remains.
>
That's possible - but I also think the community knows about Nick and Nat
and know the problems it could cause to the entire community and from what I
understand about the community no one does anything to jeopardize the
community.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:41:33 -0700
From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's a wimp
On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, L. Katherine Queen wrote:
> Nick is a wimp. No matter how terrible people, ie. LaCroix, Janette, and
> occasionally Natalie, are to him he just takes it. He doesn't try to
> defend himself or justify his actions. He doesn't rail against LaCroix
Nicholas Knight is many things, imo. A wimp isn't one of them. To
attempt to justify oneself, or to defend oneself, implies an insecurity
in one's own philosophy or position on the subject. It is only when one
knows that he is right when one may ignore the opinions of others, no
matter what the personal cost. An admirable trait, imo.
> when he so cavalierly trounces him. Maybe he is a masochist and he
> considers any abusive and cruel treatment the best that he can expect or
Well, masochism is by definition to harm oneself, and therefore to have
someone else do your hurting for you would be poor form, indeed. But
masochism by no means is indicative of a submissive personality.
Masochism can be used to make yourself stronger and more independent from
others by curing yourself of dependencies that others may use against you
(in Nick's case, the most obvious is blood, for example).
> deserve. LaCroix truly is Nickolas' cross to bear.
To a true masochist, Nick would be his own cross to bear. But Lacroix
does such a good job, Nick really doesn't have to go through the trouble,
does he? Apathy, while not always an admirable trait, is most certainly
a common one, at least...
Catherine
---------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Boone catheboo@c.......
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with
themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 07:35:55 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's a wimp
At 11:36 PM 4/6/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Nick is not a wimp. To persevere in the face of such overwhelming, and
>for him *unnatural*, odds takes an enormous strength, imo.
>
RIGHT ON Sandra!!! There you go, girl!! We've watched Nick suffer thru
centurties of loss, disappointment, pain and rejection and he still believes
there's a good side to try to reach - there's definitely no wimp there!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 07:52:31 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Difference in FK from Beginning to Now
At 12:12 AM 4/7/96 -0500, Sandra wrote:
>
>After reading Dotti's interesting post
Thank you - I've been so bad lately it's good to get "interesting!!" :)
>Then we had Nat and Janette epresenting opposing "lures" for Nick: Nat to
>his hopes for the future, Janette for the past and vampirism. Janette was
>always (to
>me) the representative of what Nick found pleasant in his past as a vampire,
My feelings exactly!!!
I'm not sure LaCroix's appearance in the second season reduced Nick's
conflict as much as it had it sitting right in his face all the time, adding
to the pressure of worrying about the mortals he cared about (Nat & Schanke)
always with the feeling that LC had destroyed those he cared for before and
wondering when he'd do it again, but trying so hard to ignore it and
continue on. However, I do believe season three completely reduced it to LC
being just a little annoyance every now and then. However it did work in one
way - making Nick realize that he could not totally shut out that part of
his life, that he did need LC in some ways since with Janette gone he was
the only one that could truly understand Nick (whether he wanted to or not).
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 07:59:13 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's children
At 11:08 PM 4/6/96 -0600, Margie wrote:
>>
> There's also a scene where Vachon says to Nick, "Remember how simple it
>was in the old days? If you wanted a woman, you could just take her."
>LaCroix chimes in, "It still can be, if we are true to our natures. Operate
>discreetly."
Oh, yea that great line from Janette to Schanke!! NO, I don't really think
it's carved in stone, I did hear a couple of lines regarding it, which gave
the idea that in this day and age it was necessary to particularly safe for
vampires to hunt and kill, and since it was done primarily for survival and
they are able to survive on bottled blood from Janette's, why risk it.
That's not to say that there aren't a few who would like to get it hot from
the tap every now and then (actually I would suspect LC would do it but he
seems to be content with his little glass of numnums). I merely wanted to
point out the different in what Richard was doing be behaving like a
homicidal maniac and the fact the general community of vamps don't behave
that way anymore because they don't have to and that was why Richard had to
be staked.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 08:02:56 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy is Nick Jr.(was Re: Difference in FK...)
Sandra wrote a really cool bend on the Nick/Tracy relationship that just
boggled my mind. I never considered that, if written correctly, she could
have been someone who Nick could have seen as so much like him in
human-form. That really makes her character a total waste of potential.
There really could have been so much more there - fanfic possibilities here!!
Wish I could write, drat, drat, drat!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 08:14:39 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Dracula: the series
At 12:46 AM 4/7/96 EST, Brandy wrote:
>
>
I mean is there any physical differences as vampires get older. I've only
seen the thrid season, so I haven't seen any, but I thought I saw someone
say that Enforcers also had inlarged fangs. Is this right?
>
The Enforcers in Unreality TV in the first season were really tall and had
really big funny looking fangs and all they did was growl, grunt and kill.
(I found myself yelling "Fetch boy, fetch!!) However, there was no
explanation as to why they were Enforcers such as extreme age or knowledge
or whatever. And no, older vamps (and LaCroix appears to be just about the
oldest) don't have any physical differences other than extreme power.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 06:22:28 -0700
From: Ariel <clinton@r.......>
Subject: Re: The Gerthering
For anyone who has any questions about the area, I live in Thousand Oaks,
and would be more than happy to answer any questions that you have. I
will not be attending the Gerthering, unfortunately, but I will be living
here still during that time, as long as my school lets me!
Ariel
aka- Rebecca Marie Clinton
clinton@r.......
Ariel10575@a.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:25:14 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's children
In a message dated 96-04-07 05:08:20 EDT, Dotti writes:
>The guard in Dark Knight was killed by LaCroix in an attempt to get at Nick
>so that doesn't really count. Also, during A More Permanent Hell everyone
>was acting stupid, so the vamps were sort of cleaning house - not a normal
>situation either.
Hi Dotti <wavin' to ya>
In the last show of the first season, LYTD, LaCroix drains someone in the
alley behind Nick's loft and looks up at the window <insert a scary music
vinette here>. There was no other reason for doing so other than to feed that
we are aware of. LaCroix kills the human who thinks he's a vampire in STF and
urges Nick to kill Emily Weiss. LaCroix kills the killer in DK and tries to
kill Dr. Hunter (or bring her across, although there could be an argument
made that Nick brought Dr. Hunter across). In FIHS Schanke very nearly bites
the dust at the hands of Alma in the backroom of the Raven and is saved by
Janette.
You get the picture. As far a cannon is concerned. Modern day vamps in
Toronto very definitely do kill. They have to be mindful of the code. But
they do kill.
BTW, I didn't add the Barber in Bad Blood to the list above, even though he
is a vamp, because he WAS a homicidal maniac. As a matter of fact, I think
his picturemust accompany the definition of the term in the dictionary.
Okay, I'm going....
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:07:06 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's children
At 10:25 AM 4/7/96 -0400, Carrie wrote:
>
>
>Hi Carrie <wavin' to ya>
>
>
>You get the picture. As far a cannon is concerned. Modern day vamps in
>Toronto very definitely do kill. They have to be mindful of the code. But
>they do kill.
>
Okay - fine - just tie me to a chair and wrap tape over my mouth!! (VBG).
Okay, okay, okay - there are several instances where vamps do get a little -
er - shall we say, thirsty for the real thing. I'm just saying they don't do
it for feeding as a rule anymore. There's always someone messing around in
any community - so why not vamps. Toronto would sure be quiet if they all
started doing it again. Awful lot of vamps in Toronto.
My husband brought up something that I think has probably been brought up
before, but as I said we've been reqwatching the first season lately and
things pop up again. Anyone noticed how many unstable women live in Toronto?
For every unstable guy Nick's gone after, there must be 3-5 wacko ladies.
Does it have something to do with the air quality??
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:08:12 -0300
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK....
YKYBWTMFKW....
I just had this truly weird image in my head, of Nigel appearing in DUE
SOUTH wearing a Mountie uniform, helping out Fraser and Ray.
Lynn Stapleton
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:43:05 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFK....
Lynn commented:
>YKYBWTMFKW....
>I just had this truly weird image in my head, of Nigel appearing in DUE
>SOUTH wearing a Mountie uniform, helping out Fraser and Ray.
You HAD to come up with that, didn't you? :) Great, now not only do I have
a soft spot for Mounties (via a Canadian bf), now I have to put up with the
image of Nigel as one, too. Then again, I can think of much worse fates...
For some reason, I'm now getting fanfic.
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Tell me what that "sleep" thing is again?
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:48:15 -0400
From: Jill Marie Spetoskey <jilkey@u.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy is Nick Jr.
(or in this case, Nick appears in Nick Jr. Funny how a subject line can
strike you in different ways)
Lacroix:(in whiny chiauhua voice) Nick, you eedoit! I had to come bail you
out when you tried to steal blood from Farmer Boogergarter.
Nick: But Lacroix. I did it for you. thought you wanted blood, so I
was just trying to help out. (starts to cry big bloody kitty tears.)
Lacroix: (awkwardly patting Nick on the back) Don't cry now.
Nick: But I just wanted to help.
Lacroix: Stop crying, and I'll get you some Happy Kitty Absorbant Coffin
liners.
Nick: Really? (Immediately stops crying and whiskers perk up) Happy,
happy, joy, joy!
Jill Marie
(Unattached but competing for the Nightside Aquatic Club)
jilkey@u.......
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:24:17 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: NB on KF:TLC
Hi all,
For anyone whose interested, NB's KF:TLC ep. "Banker's Hours" will air
this coming week. He plays the leader of the swat team, or something like
that.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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