FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9604A Part 3
April 1, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604A" Part 3
TOPICS:
Looking for Jennifer Sangiovanni
That Other Show
Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart? (3)
That Other Show... (4)
Nick's Quest
N&N insights: Major SoB spoilers (2)
BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer (3)
Whammies (was Re: BMV)
LaCroix's Awesome Power
Just a note...
DO YOU REMEMBER? (2)
FK Shirts Made by Alora & Kira!!!
Various
Nick giving up drinking blood
Rash promises and the end of 3rd season FK
Popcorn, SoB, N&N (was Re: Various)
Nick's First Hunger
OTHER things
LaCroix's Family (long)
Changes (was Re: Sons of Belial)
Pronunciation-Survey Results
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:04:13 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Looking for Jennifer Sangiovanni
<199603301057.CAA13918@m.......> Kira writes:
>In a message dated 96-03-29 01:00:41 EST, you write:
>>By the way, who's sent in their money for the California Gerthering? Are
>>you one of the chosen few (100)?
>What CA gathering? I wanna go! I need info!
Please post details, I too must have missed this post. I would be interested
in attending particularly if it is in Southern CA... San Diego on up to
Los Angeles.
John
Currently Factionless
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:16:52 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show
<199603312139.NAA07363@m.......>
>Ohhh I'm so angry--I just read this article in the local tv guide-type book.
>"they" were the cover story..the article glorifying this new world of
>vampires that's never been delved into before, this female vampire who
>misses her humanity...and intrigued by the human policeman...aaarggg!!!
Dotti, could you give us the address for this TV guide? I'm sure a few
of us could write a "few" letters to them to "enlighten" them to thier
error.
John
Currently Factionless
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:54:29 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re: Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart?
Valery scribed:
> the vampire nightclub in this
>masterpiece of originality is called "The Haven." Janette should sue.
Actually, that's a term used in Vampire: The Masquerade (where Kindred was
taken from). It means, <opening the book>: "The home of a vampire or the
place where it sleeps during the day" in the Common Parlance.
They don't have that term in Old Form, and in the Vulgar Argot, someplace like
the Raven/Haven would be The Rack, "The hunting ground represented by
nightclubs, bars, and other places of entertainment where mortals seek to
drink, dance, and pair off." So they're not technically copying. Technically.
<sigh>...we'll find out tomorrow just how bad it really is, I suppose.
ObFK:I thought that Vachon was in the US when he brought Urs across...it was
the kind of atmosphere that you get in old westerns. You know, the little
town, the saloon, the cowboys :)=, "this town ain't big enough for the both
of us" type of place.
Dona Katya
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:15:29 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show...
At 12:12 PM 4/1/96 CST, Bruce wrote:
>
> I would ask our beloved listmistress to
> put out some guidelines about commentary regarding "Kindred" (gasp! he
said the name),
> or perhaps >a time limit (you can talk about it for 48 hours, then
finito...).
>
I don't think we need to bother the listmistress - this is not a Kindred
list. I don't think any discussion of Kindred eps belong here. Perhaps
those interested could create a Kindred loop - but other than what has
already transpired, I don't think any detailed discussion on Kindred eps
really belong here. Agree? Disagree?
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:23:34 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
I wrote:
>I don't really see how you can blame Nick for killing the occasional
>perp in the present day
Katja writes:
>Oh, I'm not *blaming* him, I'm just pointing out the discrepancy.
Well, your first letter citing the examples of dead perps seemed to me
to say that you considered them Nick *killing* people. As if it wasn't
any different than Nick killing people for food. And I don't agree
with that assessment. But if I misunderstood you, I'm sorry.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:26:50 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: N&N insights: Major SoB spoilers
>Is it that he remembers that he loves her and senses her love for him, one
>thing about which he is certain (i.e., not conflicted)? Or is it just because
>he is able to refuse to kill her that the demon is rejected?
This is my second attempt to reply to this, because I've been thinking
some more about it.
The conflict Vanderwahld was talking about was the conflict between
choosing good or choosing evil, not between good and evil, per se, because
everyone has both good and evil in them.
So maybe things went something like this:
First, it was necessary for Nick to believe that he had good in him.
Having LaCroix, his father, tell him that he did, helped.
Then, it was necessary to choose good over evil. When Nat came in,
and he refused to kill her, he made that choice. He had the strength to
refuse because of how much he loves her. And love is another manifestation
of good in him.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:42:45 -0800
From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Katja Stokley wrote:
> I think you're reaching :-). Nick's attitude on the whole seems to have
> been that yes, I'm a vampire, but I'm going to inflict only minimal
> damage on mankind to supply my needs. Nick has only occasionally shown
> the delight in hunting, torturing and killing that LaCroix and Janette
I totally and completely agree, that that was his view toward the end of
his life (like, the last four hundred years, I guess, by Sandra's count).
But where is it said that you have to enjoy torturing people to be
relatively happy as a vampire? I personally can easily see him
comforting himself with the thought that he's ridding humanity of
its lowest denomination.
Besides, I think he *did* really truly enjoy killing people for quite a
while after he was brought across. I know there seems to be a lot of
evidence to the contrary, and heck, I might well just be fooling myself,
but the flashback with Joan and the one in Blood Money show a guy
having waaay too much fun killing and being the classic vampire, for me
to think that he was also trying, or thinking of trying, to become
mortal at the same time. He had absolutely no remorse in those scenes.
But, when it comes down to it, I think we've just seen so little of the
time in his life before his decision to become mortal, that it's going
to be mostly a matter of interpretation, with little basis on fact. But
that doesn't keep us from endlessly speculating, now does it? :)
Catherine
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Catherine Boone catheboo@c.......
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with
themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:48:14 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Whammies (was Re: BMV)
(I am way behind on the list, so I don't know if this has been addressed.)
> 3.) I don't see how Catherine Disher can maintain that Nat was drugged
> and not hypnotized by LC.
I don't know what CD's opinions are, and, yes, I am also disturbed by the
fact that Nat was behaving oddly *before* she drank the champagne, but,
as I posted just three weeks ago, we never heard the echo effect that
almost always accompanies hypnotism! In addition, Nat is a resister;
Nick couldn't hypnotize her (OtL) and she was faking with Spark (AMPH). I
know how powerful LC is, but everyone seems to act as if being a resister
is almost a genetic condition -- that's the only reason I can think of
for not having Nick or LC whammy Tracy.
LC has quite a... presence, shall we say? And he didn't need to
hypnotize Schanke to convince him that Nick is not a vampire (CC).
Further (and this hasn't been addressed since I've been around) Nick
tossed off a comment in STF which may be telling. Schanke said something
about how vampires could hypnotize women, and never be... uh, rejected.
Nick said, "That would be cheating." It was probably just an off-hand
comment, but considering how often Nick's comments around Schanke are in
fact *true* of vampires (because he felt safe that Skank would never
understand), and considering that I cannot recall, off-hand, anyone taken
while whammied...? Well, LC *did* intend to bite Nat, and *I* wouldn't
want to accuse LC of cheating... :-)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
(I will post the results of my "forkni-l" punctuation survey as
soon as I get through my accumulated list-mail: promise!)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:34:05 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show...
On Apr 01, 1996 12:12:45, 'Bruce Rawitch <brucer@i.......>' wrote:
>Since we all (whether we want to admit it or not) are going to watch "That
>Other Show"
I'm not. An' you can't make me. I refused to see Interview with the
Vampire; and I refuse to watch the Kindred. Ain't no way they're getting
MY numbers, uh-uh, no way. I have a limited memory capacity, and I am NOT
using up my precious neurons on that.
>I would ask our beloved listmistress to put out
>some guidelines about commentary regarding "Kindred"
As far as the assistant listowner is concerned (that's me, y'know) there is
already a pre-existing list policy to cover this subject.
This is the Forever Knight list. It exists so that we can discuss Forever
Knight. The topic of this list is in fact Forever Knight. Therefore, it
follows that all discussion on this list should be related to Forever
Knight.
Now, there are a LOT of things that are related to Forever Knight.
Affiliations are related to Forever Knight. Ribena is related to Forever
Knight. Discussions about history as it appeared on the show and quote
lists from parties of listmembers and people who see a sign for Nick's
Cement Products and can't stop laughing, all these things and so many many
more are in fact related to Forever Knight. This is a wonderful thing.
And there will be, I'm certain, many comparisons that people will want to
make between That Other Show and Our Beloved FK. And to a degree, such
discussions have a place here.
But it should be remembered that this is in fact the Forever Knight list,
and commentary here should relate directly to Forever Knight; and that if
you want to get into a down'n'dirty blow-by-blow of That Other Show, there
are other venues to do it in.
I ask that if you feel you have something to say about That Other Show,
please read your post before you send it and ask yourself, "Does this
*really* have anything to do with Forever Knight?" And if it doesn't,
consider that it probably shouldn't be on the list; and if it's a reply to
someone else's post, it should probably go via private e-mail. And that
there is only so much latitude you can really get away with by adding an
ObFK (obligatory FK remark to justify an otherwise off-topic post).
The same goes for discussions about vampires or books or anything else. If
there's little to no actual mention of Forever Knight in your post, you
really shouldn't be posting it. At least, that's been the list guideline
for as long as I've been here.
Hope this clears things up.
--
Jamie M.R. -- Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
"I may do what I have done. I may smash the hollow rock
without breaking stride and splinter the glitter inside
all over a midnight street." -- L.F.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:48:13 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
Regarding Carrie's thoughtful comments, I have a slightly different
view of DBTLOTM. Yes, there was the theme of "What makes a good man
go bad?" but I think Nick saw similarities in the *darkness* of
Janette and Anne Foley, that they were sort of two sides of the same
seductive personality. I personally thought that Nick was seduced by
"evil" again at first when he started to get involved with Anne (I
was glad to see him get back to doing his job). Nick seemed to me to
be attracted to Anne because she seemed similar to Janette to him.
And by "evil" above, I mean as it refers to Janette that her seduction
of Nick in the flashback seemed more for reasons other than her own
personal interest in him to me. Whether Nick and Janette later came
to care about each other doesn't change the fact that their initial
meeting was entirely different in nature.
Actually, I think that the earliest episodes of FK present a Nick that
you're not *sure* will remain a "good guy".
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:02:53 -0800
From: Dee Davidson <dmd@a.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Awesome Power
>You know what other scene just screams LaCroix's power? In NiQ, when Nat
>asks him to leave the loft after she arrives-by the door-and he just
>strides out?
For me, the one scene that best describes LC's power is(can't remember the
ep) in a flashback when Nick was in Germany and LC showed up after Nick
killed a soldier and he went after the woman, who he thought had betrayed
them. Watching LC and the woman come around the corner, completely
whammied, and he could control her with a single touch and/or gesture, gave
me chills and I'm a cousin:) But then I also live for that stuff:)
Great, now its gonna bug me until I find out the name of the ep. Anyone?
Forever!!
Dee Davidson
dmd@a....... http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/
-A cousin and valentine who seems to be getting awefully talkative lately.
******************************************
"If you think I tormented you in the past my little friends, wait
until you see what I do with you now!" Q
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:15:12 -0500
From: knust lisa m <lmknus@m.......>
Subject: Just a note...
Hello everybody!
Do you know what it's like not to check your mail fora whole
weekend? I am still wading through the ten or so digests I've gotten
since Thursday. I don't know if I'll ever get caught up!
Just had to let you know my frustration in finding out from my
mother that she read an article in the local newspaper about "that other
vampire show" where it mentioned FK as fading or something like that.
Grrr...
Back to the neverending digests... :)
Lisa K.
lmknus@m.......
"For the Blood is the Life..."
"C'est bien simple. Il faut tuer." LaCroix in "Dark Knight"
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:15:07 -0800
From: Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: DO YOU REMEMBER?
Jamie wrote:
> >>Susan Garrett will wash the Caddie
> Actually, this is a War-time promise. Susan will wash the Caddy in the
> next War. (She has requested that this event take place in daylight, and
> outdoors, so that certain would-be spectators will be unable to attend.)
I hereby humbly suggest that (for an appropriate fee, of course) I could
be persuaded to set up a live video and 2-way audio feed to the wine
cellar of a client's choice...
<vbg>
Dianne
(back after a *very* long weekend and 600+ messages behind...
*Stop talking until I catch up D*mmit!* ;-)
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <Goddess@m.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:45:18 -0500
From: Rebecca Howle <JHHowle@a.......>
Subject: FK Shirts Made by Alora & Kira!!!
Now I don't want people to think I am being paid for saying this because I'm
not.
Today I got my FK shirt from them and I was WAY, and I mean WAY Impressed! My
sister sat there and said "They made that?" She thought at first it was a
commercially made shirt instead of a homemade one.
So, if anyone was putting off ordering one because of whatever reason, or
they thought maybe they wouldn't look right don't worry they are NICE!
I will be wearing mine when I arrive in Toronto for the Shrewthering!
Rebecca
Hotel Goddess for the Shrewthering, Dark Knightie-all the fun of liking Nick
without all the guilt and angst! Co-Owner of some Blue Meanies.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:45:19 -0700
From: Marg Rothschild <marg.r@a.......>
Subject: Re: DO YOU REMEMBER?
Hello all!
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Jackie wrote:
> You will remember these....the vows of sacrifice if only we got the
> end of the 3rd season....wellllllll,
> We DID get the end of the 3rd season, so:
> Marg Rothschild will give up Pepsi and lose 20 pounds, not play
> Nintendo for 6 months and join the Perkulators
Please put under my name that I did this - infact I lost 45 lbs instead
of just 20, I stopped drinking Pepsi and gave up the Nintendo for 6
months. I thought that I vowed to join the Perkulators if we got a 4th
season? I could be wrong. I have a copy of the vows at home and will
check on this. No biggie. Just in case, I now <hard swallow> join
the Perkulators until further notice.
Marg Rothschild, knightie/cousin/FFFROGie/Perkulator
** Help Save/Revive Forever Knight** write me at: margr@i.......
more info: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:54:28 -0500
From: Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......>
Subject: Re: Various
> Kind of like he vamped out (at least the eyes) then went back to normal in
> the tag of Sons of Belial
He also showed his fangs to Nat over the car's hood as Nat and Shanke
walked up towards him at the end of The Fix, but his eyes were normal and
he was smiling - showing her he was "normal" again.
Nancy
fralic@m.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:55:09 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick giving up drinking blood
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Connie Gartrell wrote:
> blood has to be
> warm and live with the essence of the victim.
[snip]
> Because emotions make the blood sweeter and create a taste that is
> truly unique to the person.
[snip]
> if he
> does become human his body would begin to age rapidaly until it reached
> his true age.
(Four lines - sort of). Is *any* of this canon to the FK universe? Or is
this all drawn from other vampire fiction?
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:59:41 -0800
From: Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart?
Valery writes:
> > think Mr. Spelling was smart enough to buy out Sony's desire to produce
> > the show? Was _he_ the reason that the Mysterious Buyer couldn't get
> > Forever Knight?
>
> Boy, we're a paranoid lot, aren't we? I find this theory worth
You want to try paranoid? Try considering he may have been the mysterious
buyer himself ("Buy it and stake it good... that's our motto!") :-p
> And today's "C'm ON, Give Me A Break!": the vampire nightclub in this
> masterpiece of originality is called "The Haven." Janette should sue.
Oh *puhleeze*!!!
> --Valery (I'm going to the Gerthering, too! Yipee! Let's all do
> Disneyland, ok?)
Well I don't know as I'll be there or not at this point, but I'm only
20 mins from Disneyland, so count me in ;-)
Dianne
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <Goddess@m.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:51:25 -0500
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart?
Candice & Ned think:
>- So what we think is that because they (TPTB) knew about The Other
>Show, Aaron Spelling didn't want any competition. DO you think Mr.
> Spelling was smart enough to buy out Sony's desire to produce the
>show? Was _he_ the reason that the Mysterious Buyer couldn't get
>Forever Knight?
I should think that with all the hooplah, created by all those dreadful
Cops/Lawyers/Doctors/Models/Cops/Lawyers/Doctors Lots of suits
shows crossing over into each other's *Drama's* (I use the term
loosely) the smart money might have a 'the more the merrier'
attitude. And Spelling spells money. If FK wasn't reduced to the status
of Sony's red headed stepchild I would have embraced Kindred,
at least until I saw the commercial last night during FK.(Yikes-tacky,
very tacky) And HOW DARE THEY advertise during FK? They must
think we're mindless yocks with some kind of vampire addiction, rather
than the highly intelligent, (if slightly twisted) discerning fans of the
best darn drama on television.
I detest fluff, I loathe fluff. I don't want a new one, I like *That* one!
I repell all ancestral fluff, Begone Demons!
Brutal Cousin Karies
SoulDebris@a.......
"Pain looks great on other people, that's what they're for." Andrew Eldritch
(Sisters of Mercy)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:07:42 -0400
From: "l.d. steele" <aa300@f.......>
Subject: Rash promises and the end of 3rd season FK
With all of these old promises coming to light...
I gave up chocolate. For THREE WHOLE MONTHS!!!
It's April Fools Day, and the first thing in my mouth this morning was a
big bite of milk chocolate. :)
There. I did it, but It'll never happen again. One of my roommates just
handed me a <gift> of 1 lb of chocolate. Guess I'm going to have to start
excercising again. :)
My computer is fixed, I can eat chocolate, and I'm starting to catch up
on life and homwork again (although I'm still behind on my digests).
Life is good.
Now if I could only make time to write up another section of the
RRSTXOVER. :)
Was that enough ObFK's? (Ohhh.... Jamie? Was it enough? <g>)
Oh Well:
ObFK: "Fatal Mistake" is showing this week on ATV (Atlantic Provinces,
Canada). Guess I'll be watching Alexandra the vampire dingbat again. <EG>
Dawn
l.d. steele
h36a@u....... or aa300@f.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:11:04 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Popcorn, SoB, N&N (was Re: Various)
> OK, Amy, *you* work it out, and let me know when you do :-).
Does anyone else recall how the popcorn thread popped up this time?
*I* asked where it was from, because *I've* never seen it. :)
But if I'm going to play continuity-vamp, I suppose I deserve what I get,
hmmm? :) Because the popcorn-throwing scene, in which Ger apparently
vamped out (minus the contacts) for no reason but to surprise Cath, was
left in the final cut, it is therefore canonical that Nick *can* vamp
out for no good reason, and calm down relatively easily thereafter.
This is relevant in two places, that I can think of. One of them is
still spoiler-protected (see my upcoming explanation of (Im)Mortal
Belovedhood <g>). The other, as has been mentioned, is the tag of
"SoB." Sandra has an interesting take on that tag, but it is rather an
anti-N&Ner take.
I think that Nat's arrival at the exorcism is what saved Nick.
I think that had anyone else come through that door, Nick/the demon would
have drained them. I think that if no one had come through the door, he
would have gone for the ex-priest. I -- fuzzily clinging to N&Nerness --
think that Nick's love for Nat is the only thing thing that allowed him
to grapple with the demon. She's "the only one who ever thought" he had
any humanity, remember (OtL)? Natalie sees Nick as a man with a problem,
not a vampire. He draws strength from her image of him. He doubts
himself so much that he desperately needs someone (Nat) to *expect* him
to behave properly, to be *disappointed* in him when he fails.
Thus, my take on the tag (and, yes, we're getting back to the popcorn
scene) encompasses the idea that Nick is more comfortable with Nat than
anywhere else. Vampirism is his physical nature, which manifests under
stress -- or in comfort. At the end of SoB, after all he'd been through,
it was just too hard to suppress the vampire -- and, with Nat, Nick
didn't *want* to *have* to. It is a part of him (a hated and despised
part, but nevertheless...) and it came out then, in the dark counterpart
of the way it came out in the popcorn scene, as he reached out to Natalie
for acceptance...
(Not that I've seen the popcorn scene yet, or anything...<g>)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
"He has placed fire and water before you; reach out and take whichever
you want. You have a choice between life and death; you will get
whichever you choose." -- Sirach 15:16-17
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:16:52 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Nick's First Hunger
On Sat, Sandra Gray wrote:
> True. But *after* Nick was shown sucking blood from LC's wrist, he
> was then shown putting a lip lock on Janette.
I've assumed that LC dragged them apart, because Nick still seemed to be
in "first hunger" when they offered him the unconscious girl in the
flashbacks of "Dark Knight." Is there anything to contradict this?
Except for the fact that "first hunger" probably can't be satisfied with
vampire blood...?
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:25:46 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: N&N insights: Major SoB spoilers!
At 12:48 PM 4/1/96 -0500, Stephanie wrote:
>
>
> Is it that he remembers that he loves her and senses her love for him, one
thing
>about which he is certain (i.e., not conflicted)? Or is it just because he
>is able to refuse to kill her that the demon is rejected? I'd love to hear
>others' opinions.
>
First of all, Stephanie, I'm ignoring your joke??(grin). Secondly, I agree
with what you wrote, but I agree with both. His love for her and her love
for him is the one constant thing he can depend on, and BECAUSE of that, he
was able to refuse to kill her and thus throw out the demon. I am not
discounting the fact that LaCroix told him that there was God in him, that
meant more to Nick, in my opinion, than Nick would like to admit. He is
another constant in his life, albeit one he'd rather not have to deal with.
But LaCroix is his "father", and to have him, who has so often made fun of
his goodness, admit that he had it, that had to give him some strength. I
believe both sides of his life make him whole and he needed them both to get
him through that.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:34:31 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: OTHER things
Susan Garrett wrote:
> I say, watch the Kindred.
Oh, dear. If we boycott their vampire show, they will leap to the
conclusion that there isn't a market for ours.
I promise to watch their show the minute I become a Neilson point, ok? :)
In the meantime, I'll stop making snide comments about it in public.
For a brief second, when I saw that cast photo on the cover of my local
TV times yesterday, I felt like throwing up.
I suppose I'd better write a "what's the fuss about? FK did it first"
letter, instead. :)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:34:40 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show...
Dotti writes:
>I don't think any detailed discussion on Kindred eps really belong
>here. Agree? Disagree?
There is a policy that posts on this list have to be in some way
related to FK and the people involved with the show, I believe. So
I would think Kindred posts would be allowable *if* the show was being
compared to FK.
If the show proves popular, a list or a newsgroup or something will
form for it for people who like it. FK may be my current favorite
show on TV, but it's not the only thing I watch. If I like Kindred,
I'll watch it too.
I'd have to *really* like it *a lot* to join a mailing list for it
though.
OBFK: I have a suggestion to throw out. What do people think about
discussing first season eps (and second season too) when they air
on SFC?
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:43:12 -0500
From: Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sandra Gray wrote:
>Or would that practice of
> having intimate fun ;) be considered okay by medieval Catholic
> priests? I don't know myself (being neither medieval or Catholic).
>
It was not that unusual for clergy to have a mistress, or at least a
fling, and even children in the Middle Ages - as a matter of fact, later in
Italy, Cesare Borgia was made a Cardinal because his father was the Pope.
(yes I am a Catholic, and was fascinated when I was "old enough" to learn
these things.)
Nancy
fralic@m.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:27:53 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Changes (was Re: Sons of Belial)
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Katja Stokley wrote:
>GWD seems to have a very wide vocal range...
Has anyone else noticed that the "first season" voice is still on the
answering machine message? But we almost never hear it otherwise?
Continuity fanatic that I am :) I've also noticed how first-season Nick
would stand closer to people, touch them more... Nick has really been
very, very, very *good* in the contemporary cop-stories this season
(only two exceptions; will defend on fkspoilr if necessary). He's
committed to Nat, at least enough that he doesn't get involved with other
mortal women, and he can't be held responsible for what he did while
possessed in SoB. I think that Nick has grown in the time we've known
him, and that the changes in the voice and stance Ger gives him may be
interpreted as indications of this.
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
"He has placed fire and water before you; reach out and take whichever
you want. You have a choice between life and death; you will get
whichever you choose." -- Sirach 15:16-17
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:43:52 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Swordsister wrote:
> But where is it said that you have to enjoy torturing people to be
> relatively happy as a vampire?
It's not. So maybe we're looking at three instances along a continuum -
the amoral/immoral vampire who takes delight in his nature (LaCroix has
exhibited this behaviour); the more moderate vampire who, while taking
only what he needs and not causing unnecessary suffering, nonetheless
does not regret his nature; and the vampire who wishes to be mortal
again. Nick has apparently been all these things, and I believe it's
possible that he will be all these things in the future.
> I might well just be fooling myself,
> but the flashback with Joan and the one in Blood Money show a guy
> having waaay too much fun killing and being the classic vampire, for me
> to think that he was also trying, or thinking of trying, to become
> mortal at the same time. He had absolutely no remorse in those scenes.
I don't think you're fooling yourself - I agree. Eight hundred years is a
long time to have a consistent philosophy, and I don't think Nick has had
one. That would be pretty boring, anyway.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:55:33 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Pronunciation-Survey Results
As such list luminaries as Lisa McDavid and Susan Garrett, not to mention
the revered Webgoddess herself, have said the the proper pronunciation of
"forkni-l" is "for-nigh-el," I am pleased to announce that, of those who
responded to my extremely unscientific poll, that pronunciation got more
votes than any other. :-)
There were thirteen different "ways we say forkni-l" submitted. I'm not
a linguist, but I suspect that some of the differences were really ones
of stress. I've regularized the spellings.
for-nigh-el 11 fork-nigh 3 fork-nil 2 for-nee-el 1
fork-nigh-el 5 fork-nite 3 fork-nee 2 for-nik-el 1
"for Nigel" 4 fork-nee-el 3 for-nite-el 1
"The List" 3 for-nigh 1
That's forty votes! Thank you to everyone who participated! :-)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
"You have a choice between life and death;
you will get whichever you choose." -- Sirach 15:17
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:26:21 -0330
From: Jason Ryan <ibe0018@i.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show...
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
> I'm not. An' you can't make me. I refused to see Interview with the
> Vampire; and I refuse to watch the Kindred. Ain't no way they're getting
> MY numbers, uh-uh, no way. I have a limited memory capacity, and I am NOT
> using up my precious neurons on that.
It is a shame if you can't open your mind to new things, I know,
loosing our show will hurt but the world does not stop and like it or not
we/you must move on, saying goodbye is such a hard thing to do.
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ibe0018@i.......
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