FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9604A Part 2
April 1, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604A" Part 2
TOPICS:
brunette ravenettes (2)
BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer (3)
Nick's Quest
Microphonenatics/blood
YKYBWTMFKW....
YKYB...
Advertising for not our show
FK Continuity, etc. (2)
Do you remember...
Final eps schedule
the Gerthering
Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial)
NOBODY DIES. NOBODY EVER DIED.
3d season episode list
N&N insights: Major SoB spoilers! (2)
Various
FK on SciFi
That Other Show
That Other Show...
LaCroix's Awesome Power
3d season episode list
Multiple replies....
time machine, The Hand
Multiple replies....
Searching for Christine Hunt
OTHER things
Nick giving up drinking blood
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:25:56 -0500
From: "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject: brunette ravenettes
Susan Garrett's .sig file mentioned something about being one
of the last brunette Ravenettes. Now, *I'm* still a brunette.
And Ken, you're a brunette, right?
There, see Susan? That makes at least one more, possibly two
people to keep you company.
Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette, gjwalli@m.......
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:09:18 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Swordsister wrote:
(quoting Sandra Gray)
> > he was trying to kill only, in the words of LC, "the criminals and the
> > derelicts, the useless and the impure".
>
> Mmm, well, I know this may sound like I'm reaching, but I don't think
> that that's particularly indicative of a wish to become mortal.
I think you're reaching :-). Nick's attitude on the whole seems to have
been that yes, I'm a vampire, but I'm going to inflict only minimal
damage on mankind to supply my needs. Nick has only occasionally shown
the delight in hunting, torturing and killing that LaCroix and Janette
have. In the "Dead Air" flashback (torturing the man who looked like LC's
father), Nick was disgusted with LC and Janette, and from the clothing,
that wasn't too long after he was brought across.
> > I've never believed that it was *just* what happened in
> > Love You to Death that made him change and want to become mortal;
> > he had been moving toward such a decision for a long time (just more
I agree - the Sylvaine episode merely pushed him over the edge into
firmer resolve.
One thing to consider, though, given the way the third season has gone, is
that a hundred years isn't really that long for Nick. During this period
Nick has shifted toward the desire for mortality, but perhaps he's coming
out of it now.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:23:24 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Sandra Gray wrote:
> Katja Stokley writes:
> >He killed the guy who kidnapped his own wife and daughter. He killed
> >the serial killer in Dead Air.
> I don't remember if Nick killed the guy in your first example (from
> "Dying to Know You" right?).
Well, he tossed him against a wall of dried milk crates and he didn't
move anymore - subsequent dialog seemed to indicate that he wasn't around
to pay for his crimes.
The serial killer in Dead Air backed into
> a high voltage thing on a rooftop though, I believe.
True enough, but you didn't see Nick shed any tears over him.
I see sort of
> what you mean by killing people for *food* as being what he mostly
> means, but I don't really see how you can blame Nick for killing the
> occasional perp in the present day
Oh, I'm not *blaming* him, I'm just pointing out the discrepancy. Maybe
I'll do a tally of perps Nick's killed one of these days.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:35:05 +0200
From: Connie Gartrell <STUGARTRECD@m.......>
Subject: Re: Microphonenatics/blood
Try to stop you!!!!! HA!! I want to join.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:57:05 EST
From: Catherine L Bond <cbond@l.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW....
You find it very amusing that the Annual Virginia Garlic
Festival is held at a place called Rebec Vineyards.
They even have one of Uncle's beloved instruments on their
label. ;-)
Catherine Bond, Depressed Die-Hard, having an FK party to cheer
herself up. Anybody got a recipe for Blood?
*****************************************************************************
cbond@l....... Library of Virginia, Richmond, VA
Standard disclaimers apply. Non-standard disclaimer:This is not an artichoke.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:59:07 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
Okay, I'm going to jump in here. Since I've not read anyone mention this so
far...
In DBTLOTM Nick deals in present day AND in flashbacks with the whole idea of
what can make a good man choose the wrong way. He deals with the seduction of
the soul. It is a very dark episode. I got the impression, at least from some
of the dialog (Stonetree "What makes a good man go bad?" Nick "That's the
eternal question." Stonetree "Well I want you to do your best to answer it.")
that Nick is dealing with his decision again.
The scene with Schanke and Nick at the table in Jilly's and their whole
discussion about "What will do it for you." ie, what kind of temptation will
make a guy lose his control causes Nick to think about being seduced by
Janette. He comes to the realization that when he made the choice to come
across, he was making a choice to allow himself to be seduced. For the
purposes of this one episode, Nick fells that his desire for Janette was his
own personal downfall. "Sometimes you get more than you bargained for."
In NIQ, he tells the guide that LaCroix offered him eternity. That was his
desire as well. Janette and eternity. For a young knight, a crusader who had
been sent to the crusades to attone for a crime he did not commit, who had
seen enough of death and killing probably to last the rest of his natural
life, who had been injured once already (we find this our in LA) the concept
of eternity with a beautiful woman must have been overwhelming. Could you
blame him. In the heat of the moment, making such a choice?
I can't. The real thing here is that Nick does blame himself. Not Janette,
not the crusades, not LaCroix. Himself. It is the root of his angst. He was
seduced, but he made the decision to allow himself to be seduced.
Just a few idle thoughts. Consider the source.
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:10:56 +0200
From: Connie Gartrell <STUGARTRECD@m.......>
Subject: Re: YKYB...
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Kira Chistiakoff wrote:
> WHAT do all these blasted initials stand for? I've got theepisode
> abbreviations down, more or less, but these others are confusing the h*** out
> of me, somebody please help!!
>
> Kira--Newborn--Vaquera/Merc
>
>I happen to agree I get lost quite quickly in reading these and have to
>go back to my original episodes to find what the initials mean. By the
>way it was the Canadain episodes that Janatte says "I WANT Him.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:38:25 -0500
From: cyndi knecht <cknecht@s.......>
Subject: Advertising for not our show
I've been stomping around and kicking the walls <ouch!>. In the past 24 hours,
I've seen print ads, commercials on TV AND to add insult to injury my favorite
radio station in Orlando airs a Fox ad on the Kindred - 45 seconds worth!
Those of you who will watch the Other Show - let me know what you think. I'm
too disgusted to watch at this point...but I understand your curiousity if you
like all things vampire.
On the plus side - sent out over 35 of those no postage required envelopes with
FK flyers <evil cousinly-inspired grin>, plus I have 6 of my FK tapes
circulating among friends - 3 more friends "brought across" - now if I could
only teach them to program their VCR's or stay up until 1:00am or...
Cyndi <cknecht@s.......> P.S. This is my new permanent e-mail address.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:42:14 +0200
From: Connie Gartrell <STUGARTRECD@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
I don't know if Nick drank from Janette in Dark Night, But from
everything I have ever seen, read, and believed about Vampires; another
vampires blood is the best tasting and most satifing of all. Animals are
subsistance, humans are food, and other vampires are necter to drink.
Maybe LaCroix did stop them, but it would only to be keeping Nick from
becoming more powerful than he was by absorbing all the knowelge that
Janette had. Each vampire can absorb the others mind if they drink to
much of their blood. And Blood Frenzy only REALLY comes out with another
vampire.
--------------------------------
Connie Gartrell -- Forever Night Fan for all seasons.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:41:00 PT
From: Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: Re: Do you remember...
No no, the work out was for 4th season. So I'm safe. And I am working
on the Mai Tai story, but I'm a lousy writer so it takes time.
Tami LaFrank : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette :
Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : Eat a live frog first thing in the
"Come in, relax. We're dying : morning and nothing worse can happen
to prolong your life" : to you for the rest of the day.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:51:42 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Final eps schedule
Ahm, guys, I didn't want to embarrass the poster, so I wasn't going
to say this, but since it seems to have started questions I'll fess
up.
I'm Cecily on Vampyres, and I took the information on airdates for the
final episodes directly from a post on Forkni-l. So it's not anything
we didn't know before and if it's inaccurate, all I can say is I've
missed a later post which contradicted it. That's quite possible, since
the internet does occasionally eat posts. :)
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:45:00 PT
From: Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: the Gerthering
I got in too. Can't wait to see everyone.
And it's not toooo long a drive for me (about 6 hours) so I can
even afford it.
Tami LaFrank : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette :
Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : Eat a live frog first thing in the
"Come in, relax. We're dying : morning and nothing worse can happen
to prolong your life" : to you for the rest of the day.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:28:19 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial)
Chana wrote:
>One thing that has always bothered me about Sons of Belial (other
>than seeing GWD's fillings...) is the easy manner in which the
>priest was whammied by LaCroix.
I *loved* that whammy scene. It's so cool how he stops his whammy victims
short with that upraised hand. To me, it's just another example of how
hellishly powerful LaCroix really is--I think he could whammy the Pope.
Frankly, knowing LaCroix, it's a bloody miracle he didn't kill the exorcist
outright, both for his knowledge and for so much as hinting that vampires
can have good in them.
Other things I loved about this ep: 1) The exorcist's voice--way cool; 2)
LC's reaction to light in the dungeon and to the cross in the chamber (and
the exorcist's calm "excuse me" as he walks past with it; 3) LC's
almost-swallowed "Yes," in response to the exorcist's, "You, too?"; 4) the
drummers; 5) Nat's raised eyebrow in response to Tracy's "You had to go
into her mouth?". An awesome ep, IMHO.
Stephanie Babbitt (stephanie.babbitt@g.......)
Vaquera
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:23:12 -0800
From: Vickie Adams <emerald_@i.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
>Sandra Gray writes:
>>Nick was against Lacroix bringing her across because it would end
>>the family blood-line.
>
>Gee, you can't credit that Nick might have *loved* his sister and
>not wanted her to have her life, purity, etc. ruined?
Actually Nick says, Since I've chosen this, the fate of the family falls to
you. (I'm paraphrasing- You can only watch BMV so many times in 1 24hour
period.) He wasn't thinking of his sister's purity etc. right off the bat,
he was thinking of himself. (How truly un-like Nick -- being selfish?) He
blew any chances of continuing the blood-line and needed Fleur to fix his
mistake. He only remembered to throw her "purity" in when his argument
wasn't swaying Lacroix from brigning her across anyway.
Cousin Vickie
::~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~::
:: Cousin Vickie emerald_@i....... / / emeraldct@a....... ::
:: I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, ::
:: I want to achieve it through not dying. - Woody Alan ::
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:30:37 -0500
From: John Ewan <jwe@m.......>
Subject: NOBODY DIES. NOBODY EVER DIED.
At 22:02 3/31/96 -0500, The Illustrated Webgoddess wrote:
>Subject: Re: Bringing someone across, time machine
>NOBODY DIES. NOBODY EVER DIED.
> These are OUR wars, dammit, and this is OUR version
>of canon, where LaCroix has a goldfish and there are supersoakers stashed
>at the Raven just-in-case...
I prefer some 'reality' with my fantasy. <g> The stories from the War with
Schanke's Ghost etc. were great, I really enjoyed them. I look forward to
some story in an upcoming altercation where John the Ratpack Merc is pinned
down by outraged <insert faction you'ld like to see outraged> with megawatt
lasers and all he has is a small, tactical thermo-nuclear device with
Kindred script detonator. As he cowers in his rathole, the ghost of Screed
appears and says, "Use the malinky Farce, droog!" so, John the Rat lights
up the script and everything goes *KA-BOOM*! <g> Reality, wot a concept!
Anyway, I think the stories have more oomph when it deals with the world
given us by the show. The explanations about Janette's being away were
neat; the creativity has focus and a common ground that way. Now, I'm also
a fan of Dr. Who <which is coming back after a lo-ooong hiatus as a movie>
and if you really want to do some time-travel stories and let the third
season interact with the previous seasons..... <g>
Stonetree: "Hey, somebody get that guy away from the water cooler! If he
drinks any more it's gonna break!"
John Ewan, jwe@m.......; The Ratpack Merc, <Screed, we hardly knew ye!>
"When ya got a job so dirty only a Cousin coulda thunk it up... I'm the rat
to see it gets done!" Payment in Hershey's chocolate, or mini-brew beer; I
may be scum, but, I've got *good* taste!
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:33:00 CST
From: "Lynette M. Papadogianis" <jenner4@w.......>
Subject: 3d season episode list
Can someone please post (or tell me where to find) a complete
episode list for season 3? I believe it was posted or discussed recently
but I deleted it by mistake. Thanks in advance!
Lynette Lis jenner4@w.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:48:21 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: N&N insights: Major SoB spoilers!
When I rewatched SoB, I had an interesting thought. N&Npackers, what do you
think of this? Is it possible that Nick's love for Natalie (and her love
for him) is what saved him from the demon, perhaps even more than the
exorcism?
Summary: He's still rampaging after LC is thrown across the room, right
before she comes in. Then he breaks free, grabs her, and prepares to kill
her. She's scared silly, but she doesn't curse him or revile him. Somehow,
he gains some measure of control, pushes her away, and falls to the table;
only at this point does the demon leave.
This didn't strike me until the second time I watched. The exorcism gets
the demon (and Nick) pretty riled up (revives the vampire's taste for
death), but Nick doesn't break free until he refuses to kill Natalie. Is it
that he remembers that he loves her and senses her love for him, one thing
about which he is certain (i.e., not conflicted)? Or is it just because he
is able to refuse to kill her that the demon is rejected? I'd love to hear
others' opinions.
Stupid concluding joke: What happens if you forget to pay your exorcist?
You get repossessed.
Stephanie Babbitt (ducking)
stephanie.babbitt@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:06:03 -0600
From: "Sharon S. Scott" <SCOTTS@B.......>
Subject: Various
When I'm talking about FORKNI-L I say "the FK list" because I can't say
"for-nye-ell" without stopping and thinking about it for several minutes.
:-)
In answer to the survey, no, I don't believe there are actual beings who
live by sucking the blood out of other beings. I do believe there are
beings who suck the life out of other beings and want complete control of
said beings--they're called university administrators.
I'm one of the "I don't like Tracy as a character" camp. I think we're
mostly adults here, and should be able to state preferences, discuss
characters/plots/plot holes/inconsistencies/consistencies/likes/dislikes on
these lists. I don't complain every time someone calls Nick a brick, and
I'm a Knightie. So why don't we all chill a bit, okay?
About inconsistencies, I was lucky enough to attend the first Weekend With
Ger last spring, and asked him a question about it. He said that because
the show had so many writers, much of the consistency between eps was
provided by the actors, and that sometimes they were too rushed or too
tired to catch all the errors. Then he grinned and said "You wouldn't
believe some of the ones we *did* catch." :-)
Scottie (who *hasn't* received her acceptance for the WWG: The Sequel, and is
getting anxious)
scotts@B....... or sss44@a.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:00:11 -0500
From: Carmen Perry <cperry@e.......>
Subject: FK on SciFi
I just checked out the SciFi page on the web to see if there was a schedule.
They'll start airing FK on 22 April at 8PM and 12 AM (Eastern) and every
Monday thereafter same time. The first show is Dead of Night followed by
Jane Doe. That's all they have listed. Looks like it will be awhile
before they get to any new episodes. Maybe if we watch and write enought
they'll bring it back.
Carmen
cperry@e.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:11:37 -0600
From: "Sharon S. Scott" <SCOTTS@B.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show
You do know that Aaron Spelling was a cheerleader at Southern Methodist
University, don't you?
I didn't, until I was cataloging a book on cheerleading in Texas and
happened across a black and white picture of him.
It could explain a lot. :-)
ObFK: Is SciFi really going to start the third season all over again on
April 22? If so, we'll have to see the last four eps on our syndie
stations?
Scottie
scotts@B....... or sss44@a.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:12:45 CST
From: Bruce Rawitch <brucer@i.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show...
Since we all (whether we want to admit it or not) are going to watch "That
Other Show"
if for no other reason than to b*tch and gripe about how they clearly lifted the
ideas (from FK, from White Wolf, etc), I would ask our beloved listmistress to
put out some guidelines about commentary regarding "Kindred" (gasp! he said the
name), or perhaps a time limit (you can talk about it for 48 hours, then
finito...).
Just a suggestion...
Back to Lurking
Bruce
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:01:51 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: LaCroix's Awesome Power
At 12:28 PM 4/1/96 -0500, Stephanie wrote:
>
>
>
>I *loved* that whammy scene. It's so cool how he stops his whammy victims
>short with that upraised hand. To me, it's just another example of how
>hellishly powerful LaCroix really is--I think he could whammy the Pope.
>
You know what other scene just screams LaCroix's power? In NiQ, when Nat
asks him to leave the loft after she arrives-by the door-and he just strides
out? It's fantastic - I don't even dare breathe until that door closes on
him! Too cool - and I'm a Knightie!!
DottiR
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:51:37 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: N&N insights: Major SoB spoilers!
>Is it possible that Nick's love for Natalie (and her love for him) is what
>saved him from the demon, perhaps even more than the exorcism?...
>Or is it just because he is able to refuse to kill her that the demon is
>rejected?
I think all through the exorcism, Nick and the demon are both there.
Nick hears what both the exorcist and LaCroix say to him, and that helps him
throw off the demon. But the critical moment doesn't come until the demon
is trying to kill (or force Nick to kill) Natalie. I think it's the strength
of his desire to not kill Natalie that gives him the strength to throw off
the demon, but I also think it was necessary for him to hear LaCroix tell
him that there is good (or God) in him.
But the reason the desire not to kill Natalie is so strong is because
he loves her, and, I think, the strength of their relationship in general. I
don't know what would have happened if it had just been anybody that the
demon was trying to get him to kill.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:11:03 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: 3d season episode list
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Lynette M. Papadogianis wrote:
> Can someone please post (or tell me where to find) a complete
> episode list for season 3? I believe it was posted or discussed recently
> but I deleted it by mistake. Thanks in advance!
The (terrific) episode guide is at
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/FK/Episodes/episode_guide.html
Here's the third season:
* Episode 301 - The Black Buddha Pt. 1 (Season Three Opener)
* Episode 302 - The Black Buddha Pt. 2
* Episode 303 - Outside the Lines
* Episode 304 - Blackwing
* Episode 305 - Blind Faith
* Episode 306 - My Boyfriend is a Vampire
* Episode 307 - Hearts of Darkness
* Episode 308 - Trophy Girl
* Episode 309 - Let No Man Tear Asunder
* Episode 310 - Night in Question
* Episode 311 - Sons of Belial
* Episode 312 - Strings
* Episode 313 - Fever
* Episode 314 - Dead of Night
* Episode 315 - Games Vampires Play
* Episode 316 - Human Factor
* Episode 317 - Avenging Angel
* Episode 318 - Fallen Idol
* Episode 319 - Jane Doe
* Episode 320 - Ashes to Ashes
* Episode 321 - Francesca
* Episode 322 - Last Knight
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:17:49 -0500
From: Matthew F Funke <mff@h.......>
Subject: Re: Multiple replies....
> I'm pretty sure that Schanke was AB somethingorother. That definitely isn't
> the universal donor. Bloodtype O is. (is the negative/positive thing
> important?)
Yup. It's the Rhesus factor (so named because it was originally
found in Rhesus monkeys), and the antibodies that respond to its presence
when they're used to its being absent can clot blood just as badly as one
of the infamous A or B proteins. In other words, if you have (fill in
the blank) negative blood, you have antibodies juicing around inside you
that will recognize if (fill in the blank) positive blood invades your
veins and respond appropriately by clumping it all together so the white
blood cells can dispose of the foreign material more easily.
Unfortunately, all this blood clotting when it's not supposed to is a bad
thing. So if a negative person's blood is put in a positive person's
bloodstream, the antibodies in the donor's blood will go haywire trying
to clump up everything in sight. In general, you don't want a negative
blood type donating indiscriminately to whomever.
In case you didn't think this letter was going to relate to Forever
Knight, let me ask this: Would Nick's condition/dream/whatever-you-want-
to-call-it in "Curiouser and Curiouser" affect any immortal who tried to
become moral? Was it a function of his nature bucking his actions, or
was it the cumulative effect of too much bovine blood, or what? Did he
just want to become mortal so badly that he started hallucinating that he
was? What exactly happened, and under what circumstances would it happen
again? Does anybody understand what I'm trying to ask here?
Whew. Enough babbling. Back to my own little corner...
-- Lost in the Shadows,
Dr Funke (mff@h.......)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:27:46 -0500
From: Jill Marie Spetoskey <jilkey@u.......>
Subject: Re: time machine, The Hand
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
>
>
> I would humbly like to propose a new rule for the next and subsequent Wars:
>
>
> NOBODY DIES. NOBODY EVER DIED.
>
Works for me. As far as I'm concerned, let the Wars be of the alternate
universe flavor of things. (ie Heinlein's Number of the Beast, the
relationship between MASH the movie and tv series)
As far as the hand goes, what if, say, there was a food products convention
going on. On the same plane as Vachon were some folks involved with
hamburger helper. Well, during the crash, things were a little hectic
and Vachon grabbed the wrong hand?...... (At this point Jill bolts down
the bikepath of the Infobahn as she is chased by Highlander cross-listies
who don't want to hear about THAT one again)
Jill Marie
jilkey@u.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:23:23 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re: brunette ravenettes
Gaylin scribed:
>. Now, *I'm* still a brunette.
>And Ken, you're a brunette, right?
>There, see Susan? That makes at least one more, >possibly two
>people to keep you company.
Make that three...sort of...I'm a fraction Raven, and my hair is slightly red,
but I think I still count...:>
Dona Katya
-=feel the call of the Knight...=-
* Raven Classic * X-Phile * FFFROGie * Mother of the WCP *
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:30:19 -0500
From: Matthew F Funke <mff@h.......>
Subject: Re: Multiple replies....
> The general concensus here seems to the that the universal donor is:
> Vampire. :-)
Well, that depends on your point of view. Taking vampire blood
could be toxic. :) I would agree that vampire is the universal recipient,
however. (Someone here mentioned a really intriguing theory about how
vampires could take blood and alter it on the molecular level to suit
their purposes. Really nifty concept.)
-- Lost in the Shadows,
Dr Funke (mff@h.......)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:31 -0800
From: Vickie Adams <emerald_@i.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
>Carrie K. writes:
>In DBTLOTM <snip>He (Nick) deals with the seduction of the soul.
Nick spends all of his time wrestling with the suduction of the soul. No
matter which season you watch, Nick is thinking about his soul. If he could
find a way to get past his guilt and his worry about his "damned soul" he'd
be the perfect vampire. It's his tortured soul that drives his quest. He
doesn't worry about his vampirism when he's flying around to chace badguys
or when he's jumping in front of bullets -- it's only when he's obseesing
about how "bad" he is that he doesn't want to be a vampire anymore.
>In NIQ, he tells the guide that LaCroix offered him eternity.<snip> For a young
>knight, a crusader who had been sent to the crusades to attone for a crime he
>did not commit, <snip> the concept of eternity with a beautiful woman must have
>been overwhelming.
His "crime" that sent him to the crusades was rooted with another
beautiful woman, was it not? The "sudduction" of eternity, like the
suduciton of the soul and the suduction of beautiful women seem to
constantly reapear in Nick's life. Everytime he gets one aspect of his angst
quelled -- POOF something else comes along to push him right back into his
"I'm such a bad pudy-tat." regime.
>The real thing here is that Nick does blame himself. Not Janette, not the
>crusades, not LaCroix. Himself. It is the root of his angst. He was seduced,
>but he made the decision to allow himself to be seduced.
Nick blames himself for everything, no matter who really deserves the
blame. He finds comfort in pointing the finger at Lacroix for "doing it to
him" but he knows he chose his path and he has to live with the choice.
Until he begins to accept his decision as irreversible and learns to live
with the results, he will continue to chase the cure of the week (or century
as the case may be) with no avail.
another $.02,
Cousin Vickie
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:40:55 -0500
From: Matthew F Funke <mff@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK Continuity, etc.
> Anyone else have a different idea?
On carouches? You betcha.
My personal take (and $0.02) is that a carouche is a vampire who has
lost his sentience and has just become a raving beast. How does this
happen? My guess is that since the "vampire virus", if there is such a
thing, affects you even on the molecular level (it seems to alter DNA),
it must be highly complex... and complex systems break down every once
in a while. In other words, for some reason the virus mutates or doesn't
do *exactly* what it's supposed to or whatever, and the result (sadly) is
a carouche. But as I say, that's just my opinion. I welcome others.
-- Lost in the Shadows,
Dr Funke (mff@h.......)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:41:27 -0400
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Searching for Christine Hunt
I was wondering if anybody's heard from Christine Hunt recently. I'm
asking this because sometime early summer last year she began a story
called "Immortal Past" up to part 4, but wasn't continued.
Now since I've written three more parts to her story, continuing in the
same mood that she maintained in her story. I'd like to know if she minded
if I posted my parts of the story, attributing the storyline to her (as
I would anyways, common courtesy and copyright, etc); or if she was planning on
finishing the story herself?
BTW, it is a wonderful story that she's written.
Sincerely,
Lynn Stapleton
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:26:33 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: OTHER things
I say, watch the Kindred.
If it does well, we have a leg to stand on to prove to TriStar that bringing
back FK might make them some money because vampires are obviously happening.
If it doesn't do well, we can't point out FK to Fox AND TriStar AND USA and
show them that vampires, by themselves, are not necessarily what the
audience wants. The audience wants Quality Television. Which is FK.
Either way, we make our point. FK gets mentioned.
And the brunette line in my sig was in contrast to the blonde comments in
1066. Honest.
Regards
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Faithful Ravenette, because somebody STILL has to.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:42:52 +0200
From: Connie Gartrell <STUGARTRECD@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick giving up drinking blood
I'm sorry but give up drinking blood and start eating food that has no
taste or nutritinal value for him? Can we go a little further into the
relm of Fantasy???? A vampire has to drink live blood from a victim. I
have allowed the blood in the fridge as poetic license, but everyone who
has ever read alot of lititure on VAMPIRES knows that blood has to be
warm and live with the essence of the victim. This is the only true way
for a vampire to get the vitamins they need. That is why animals are
only subsistence. Because emotions make the blood sweeter and create a
taste that is truly unique to the person. A criminal who spends his life
on the edge of danger for example will have a dark smokey taste to his
blood. Suposdly children have the sweetest blood because they are so
innocent, however I have never read or heard of a vampire admitting to
drinking from a child. If Nick were to stop drinking blood than he would
feel hunger pains, weakness, and eventually be pushed into a frenzy. In
such an event it is possible that he could be enticed into making a fatal
mistake, such as telling the wrong person that he is a vampire. Or the
worst mistake a vampire could make would be to pass out on the street and
wind up in an emergency room for Doctors to see his "unique" body
cemistry. It would be the hight of stupidity for Nick to stop drinking
blood because of the ramfacations to the show not to mention that if he
does become human his body would begin to age rapidaly until it reached
his true age. At such a time Nick would die. And we all know that Uncle
would be highly PISSED OFF if such a thing were allowed to happen. Uncle
would probably change Natalie for her part in doing such a thing by
changing her and then leaving her to feel the guilt for several such
centuries. I believe it would be the hight of stupidity to allow such a
thing to happen because if Uncle were pushed to the point of Nick having
to choose between life and death than Uncle would make the choice and
Nick might not like the concequences.
Connie - vampire by choice, cousin by, blood Nightie by love, and
Caramilla by bloodline
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