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FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Mar 2005 to 5 Mar 2005 (#2005-63)

Sat, 5 Mar 2005

There are 5 messages totalling 160 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. NYTimes.com: Tom Patterson, Stratford
  2. Nick's Travels / Crusades
  3. Nick's Travels and a fan Fiction Thingy (3)

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Date:    Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:23:56 -0800
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: NYTimes.com: Tom Patterson, Stratford

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THEATER | February 25, 2005

Tom Patterson, Stratford Festival Founder, Dies at 84
By WOLFGANG SAXON

Tom Patterson was the native son who dreamed of and
started the Stratford Festival of Canada, the largest
repertory theater in North America.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/25/theater/25patter.html?ex=1110603600&en=741937d24b3ee476&ei=5070

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Date:    Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:01:17 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Travels / Crusades

Kristen asked -
> Do we actually know for sure that he was sent to
> Jerusalem? I think it is probably most likely, but the
> Albegensian Crusade is another alternative.

DelaBarre is very explicit: "Take your sword to Jerusalem." And Erica sees
a "Moorish" castle in Nick's blood. By 1218, the Albigensian crusade was so
blatantly a murderous political land grab that it wouldn't make much sense
as a place to go to expiate the sin of murder.

Mary
Mary Combs N&Npack

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Date:    Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:04:15 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Travels and a fan Fiction Thingy

Kristen wrote about the long journey in 1096:
> Armies traveled by horse, sea, and on foot. It would
> take a minimum of 4-6 months for the mounted troops to
> make it from western Europe (Primarily France) to
> reach the middle east.

120 years make a big difference.
In August 1217, Duke Leopold sailed from Italy (Spalato) to Acre in 16 days
- an unusually swift journey, but it gives a better idea of the possible
time frame if one didn't make detours.
Another large wave of the army we now label as the "fifth crusade" --
embarked for Acre from Italy in April 1218 and were part of the force that
set off from Acre to attack Egypt on May 24, which means that they
completed the journey in a matter of a very few weeks.

Anyone interested in drowning themselves in detail about the crusades
should check out the University of Wisconsin's digital collections on line.

While we're on the topic of research links, Fordham University's Internet
Medieval Sourcebook and Georgetown's Labyrinth are also good, although
Fordham doesn't seem to have updated their own link to ORB site, which is
now at http://the-orb.net.
Netserf (serf, get it?) also has interesting material, although the links
to news items are often broken.

Mary
Mary Combs N&Npack

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Date:    Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:31:25 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Travels and a fan Fiction Thingy

He may have seen it as a vampire; it's highly unlikely he would have as a
mortal (although, I suppose, possible with sufficient cheese).  If he was in Paris
in 1228, on his way home, there's no way he could have been in Brussles to see
the construction before he met up with Janette and LC.

      -Megan

Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> wrote:
In 1226, Henrik I of Brabant started construction of a Gothic cathedral on the
site, which took 300 years to build.

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:35:48 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Travels and a fan Fiction Thingy

> He may have seen it [the cathedral of St. Michael and St. Gudula in Brussels]
as a vampire;
> it's highly unlikely he would have as a mortal.  If he was in Paris in 1228,
on his way home,
> there's no way he could have been in Brussles to see the construction before
he met up with
> Janette and LC.

That's kind of my point; he left for the Crusades from a modest little Brussels
church (& shrine of St. Gudula, whose symbol is a lamp BTW), which provided food
and shelter on the beginning of his journey. And when he finally saw it again,
in the dark, it would have been a completely different church, and he would see
the construction of this amazing cathedral in the dark, from the outside, for
300 years (off and on, of course). And as the cathedral goes up & up, Nick's
body count goes up also...

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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