FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Sep 2004 to 16 Sep 2004 (#2004-257)

Thu, 16 Sep 2004

There are 32 messages totalling 788 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. DVDs (3)
  2. Ivan (4)
  3. Seasons 2 & 3??? (8)
  4. Admin: Re: war: any news? (3)
  5. YKYBWTMFKW...
  6. Character Limerick and Intro/Return
  7. looking for a story
  8. story
  9. Stratford (5)
 10. Good Night Disgrace
 11. FK moment (2)
 12. FK Moment - Stratford 2005
 13. Good wishes for Rosh Hashanah

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:17:53 -0700
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: DVDs

Okay guys, there's been a lot on this from one of my
other fandoms due to someone doing basically the same
thing.  Obviously, this person is running a buisness
doing this, and it's illegal.  Under copyright laws,
what they're doing is selling pirated material.  If
you live in the UK, it's illegal to even own them, let
alone seel 'em.  It takes a chunk out of the company's
profits and makes it harder to get them to release
more material.

Now, if it was an exchange for blank DVDRs and they
weren't charging, it'd be technically legal--same for
tapes.

Laura


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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:29:38 -0500
From:    Christy Stillman <nunketeer@c.......>
Subject: Re: Ivan

<<I am 2 hours north of Gulf Shores in Alabama, in the direct path of the
storm if it stays on course.  I'm going no mail as of tonight, as we have no
idea how long we'll be without power.  We haven't had a hurricane of this
magnitude since 1979, when Frederick hit, and we were without power for
almost a week.>>

Take care, Stacy.  I'm over here in Pensacola, and I figure we're all in for
quite a ride in the wee hours.  We're boarded up and watching the huge waves
on TV.  I'll pray for you if you do the same for me. <G>  Kind of cool to
know that there's another FK fan somewhere out there on the Gulf Coast.

Christy
cstillma@u.......
NA - We take the dark side and make it fun!

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:51:59 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: DVDs

What is the email address on this person?  Is it a freebie account?  IE
Yahoo, hotmail, etc. or another account.  I am wondering if someone
should find out more about this individual and contact their ISP.

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.sbar.org   Support Santa Barbara Animal Rescue

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:45:05 +0000
From:    Nicola De Brabant <lucien1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: Ivan

To everyone who will be hit by this storm:

Stay safe, and we hope to hear from you soon.

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:18 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: DVDs

> Under copyright laws,
> what they're doing is selling pirated material.  It takes a chunk out of the
> company's profits and makes it harder to get them to release
> more material.

They won't be seeing a dime out of my FK DVD fund.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:20:35 +1200
From:    Lilly Chevalier <lillychevalier@y.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

Coming from a household where one of the occupants
works as a patent attourney (this sorta stuff is right
up his right up his alley), I would just about
guarantee (for the price this person is asking) that
this operation is NOT legal.
Now if Sony decide to get thier knickers in a twist
over this they would definitely prosecute the person
selling the DVD's, but here's the kicker, (from my
limited knowledge on the subject) they can also take
anyone who has purchased the DVD's to court as well.
And we can only imagine what a court battle with Sony
would cost!

Krista..
Faithfull Nunkaholic
"Muzza, MORE MEAT!" - Night Shift, PPCS Islington.


> Also... I'm not at all certain how *legal* this
> operation really is.

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:06:54 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Ivan

If any Ivan refuges on the list happen to have a laptop with them so are
still on-line, and are in the Central Arkansas area, radio station KARN 920 is
trying to gather local churches to open their doors and their campgrounds to
people fleeing Ivan. The hope is that this will give people less expensive
alternatives for temporary housing and food. I'm not sure of the phone number,
but it should be easy to find it on the web. I was listening on my way home and
they weren't announcing participating organizations yet, but may have some by
now.

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:11:07 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: war: any news?

In a message dated 9/15/04 3:16:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
jkocich@g....... writes:


>
> But it would be nice to hear that, as a group, we can still pull off
> an FK War and have fun doing it.

In me 'umble Ratpacker opinion?

You bet your sweet bippy we do! Maybe it won't be the same flavor as in the
past, but what FK fan war has had the same flavor as the previous ones? Plus,
there's a lot of us oldies around.

Personally, I never worry two much if I end up in two places at once (shoot,
I think Screed has been in three...), or if some sort of war cannon is broken.

After all, Ratpackers just wanna 'ave funsies!

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:05:36 -0400
From:    Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFKW...

Great tale.  I agree.

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:03:55 -0400
From:    Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

Just season 2.

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:02:59 -0400
From:    Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Ivan

Your already there in my prayers and thoughts.  Good luck.

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:38:08 -0700
From:    Danielle DeBrabant <danii.debrabant@g.......>
Subject: Character Limerick and Intro/Return

Intro first since the Limerick is of questionable quality and I'm
hoping you'll like me before reading it ^_^

Anyway, name's Danii and I've been a Forever Knight fan since the
show's very beginning (1992).  Being as I'm 20 years old (senior in
college: English Lit/History major), I've been a fan slightly longer
than half of my life (and that's a scary thought).  FK was the first
fandom that I really got into and it's shaped my perception of fandom
to the very core.  Other fandoms will always somehow boggle me for not
having named factions, Wars, etc.  I was on ForKni-L and FKFIC-L for
about 3 years and then switched email addresses and didn't sign up
again for god knows what reason.  My friend Sherri urged me to come
back on and being as last weekend was spent watching the first season
DVDs, I remembered how wonderful this show and the fandom and
everything else was and couldn't argue when she poked me about it.
Thus, here I am.

I'm also a Buffy fan, an IMan fan, and a fan of many different anime
and other shows.  I do write fanfiction, but haven't touched FK in
years.

Really glad to be here,
Danii

It just popped in as I was reading one of the others and I
figured...what the heck.
PG13
*
*
*
Nick frequently got a bit ornery
Near his Nat for she makes him quite horny
So he whips out his...phone
Calls "Janette? Are you home?"
And they screw on the docks until morning.

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:16:28 -0700
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: looking for a story

Hey y'all!

I'm hoping that somebody knows what this story is.
It's a take on Janette's mortal origins that involves
incest... all of that is in flashback.  IIRC, she
somehow ends up at a women's shelter, but that's all I
remember.

hoping somebody knows what it is,

Laura

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Date:    Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:28:30 -0400
From:    Danielle DeBrabant <danii.debrabant@g.......>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: war: any news?

I wouldn't be too worried.  This list is more active than some lists
that have living shows, for one.  And I know that many of the old
timers are still here, have come back (raises her hand), or might come
back when they hear.

Just my .2

Danii


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:11:07 EDT, libratsie@a....... <libratsie@a.......> wrote:
> In a message dated 9/15/04 3:16:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
> jkocich@g....... writes:
>
> >
> > But it would be nice to hear that, as a group, we can still pull off
> > an FK War and have fun doing it.
>
> In me 'umble Ratpacker opinion?
>
> You bet your sweet bippy we do! Maybe it won't be the same flavor as in the
> past, but what FK fan war has had the same flavor as the previous ones? Plus,
> there's a lot of us oldies around.
>
> Personally, I never worry two much if I end up in two places at once (shoot,
> I think Screed has been in three...), or if some sort of war cannon is broken.
>
> After all, Ratpackers just wanna 'ave funsies!
>
> --Libs
>

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:06:55 +0930
From:    "ADULT   D.Simpson" <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: story

     It's Savage Garden by Steve Hood
     I have a copy if you need one

     Dot

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:39:55 -0400
From:    Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......>
Subject: Stratford

Who is going up to Stratford to see GWD and NB next month and when are you
going respectively?
It would be nice to try to get goups of us together for the performances and
other activities.

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:26:13 -0400
From:    Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......>
Subject: Re: Good Night Disgrace

Hi Lisa,

Sorry it took a while for me to get back to you.  I have been trying to
check with a friend who is not on the list to see what her plans are.
She has been in Stratford for the last month doing seminars there, so we
have been playing phone tag.  We saw Ger in Lear, but I don't think
she's seen him in anything else, and neither of us have seen Nigel in a
play.  I, too have seen him at conventions, both times in Toronto, but I
haven't seen him since '96

At any rate, I'm going up over the weekend of the 16.  I have off from
the 13th thru the 20th, so I though I'd work in some shopping, etc.  I
found some neat places to visit when I was up there for MFL.  Which
nights are you going to see the plays?  Where are you planning to stay?
If you are going to the opening nights, are you going to the galas at
the Church Restaurant afterward?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Lisa Stevens<mailto:lisastevens036@s.......>
  To: FORKNI-L@l.......<mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......>
  Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Good Night Disgrace


  This will be my first time seeing both Ger and Nigel in plays although I've
  seen Nigel several times at conventions.

  Seeing Ger will be a real treat for me.

  Cindy when are ou planning on going up ?

  Lisa Stevens
  DNN,NNPacker,Faithfull FK Fan
  Completely Smithsonian, RIP Kevin Tod Smith(Ares)
  lisastevens036@s.......<mailto:lisastevens036@s.......> ICQ
42679934, AOL IM Lisaah033

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:48:00 -0400
From:    Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......>
Subject: FK moment

I was driving to work a week ago Saturday for a night shift, when a tow
truck I was following began to swerve erratically across the highway lanes.
I hurriedly accellerated around him to see stenciled on the driver's door
"Knight's Towing".  I immediately wondered if his passenger was showing off
a silver crucifix, or do we have nocturnal squirrels in Ohio too.

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:54:17 -0300
From:    T <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: war: any news?

> -----Original Message-----
> Libratsie@a.......
> Personally, I never worry two much if I end up in two places at once
> (shoot, I think Screed has been in three...), or if some sort of war
> cannon is broken.

It's always the best war when the cannons get broken!

But, seriously, I'm not even Ratpacker but I agree it's just meant to be
fun.  Frankly, for me, half the fun in the past has been following up on the
loose ends that were left to dangle, sometimes for years.  Remember poor
Cherri and all she had to go through in her cow suit?

I have always preferred, rather than digesting posts, to filter for my nick
and certain key words (Vachon, Vaq, Vaquera) and so on, to make sure that I
noticed the posts I most needed to follow.  It's true that the last few wars
have been so big following them is the problem.  To be perfectly honest, if
we gave a war and only a couple of hundred people showed up, I would find it
so much easier to follow!

--
LapLor
tfloyd@n.......
"The person sitting next to you is weirder than you can possibly imagine."

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:34:49 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Re: Stratford

--- Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......> wrote:

> Who is going up to Stratford to see GWD and NB next month and when
> are you going respectively?

I am going 10/21-10/25 - I am seeing GD on 10/23 (2pm) and DNGG on
10/24 (8pm).  Although I am not staying in Stratford.  I actually got
a better deal on a nicer hotel in TO, so I am doing the drive both
days.  (Figured I *had* to do some driving since I am not driving up
there<g>)
Hopefully, if all goes well (third try is a charm) I am doing the
tour on friday (10/22) with Will.  I would love to meet some of the
fans!
Can't wait!
-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:41:23 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: FK Moment - Stratford 2005

I was reading an article on Playbill onine about Stratford's 2005
season.  The theme for next year is "Saints and Sinners"  With that I
immediately thought of FK and Nick.
THen I read the following quote from Richard Monette of the Festival:

-------"In the aftermath of 9/11, the world has become a more
polarized place, for many people: a place of good and evil, black and
white," said Monette, in a statement. "As I was selecting the
playbill for 2005, it struck me that many of these plays are about
the tension between the contrary impulses of the human soul. And so
we have a season of plays about 'saints and sinners' for, after all,
each of us is one or the other, and sometimes we are
both."-----------

WIth lines like 'tension between contrary impulses of the human soul'
and 'each of us is one or the other, and sometimes both' made me
think so much of FK.  I thought... gee could the do a *live* version
of FK... it fits the theme and hey... it's Canadian. <vbg>

A girl can dream can't she?
-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:29:55 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y......>
Subject: Re: Stratford

A group of 5 or 6 of us are meeting up the weekend of
Oct 15-17.  We can exchange cell numbers if you would
like.


--- Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......> wrote:
> Who is going up to Stratford to see GWD and NB next
> month and when are you going respectively?
> It would be nice to try to get goups of us together
> for the performances and other activities.

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:43:40 -0700
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......>
Subject: Re: FK moment

--- Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......> wrote:

Re: Swirving tow truck:

> I hurriedly accellerated around him to see stenciled
> on the driver's door "Knight's Towing".  I immediately
> wondered if his passenger was showing off
> a silver crucifix,

I'd have figured he was having a flashback. <g>

This will be my last post for a while, as tomorrow
I'm flying back east to VA for two weeks, and will not
have email access.  I'll miss you guys, have fun.

Laurie of the Isles
Laudon1228@y......
Do not meddle in the affairs of vampires, for you
are a walking juice box, and would fit nicely in
Nick's trunk.


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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:52:39 -0700
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Re: Stratford

I have tentative plans to go the 15-20. I just started
a new job so I'm wrangling time off; I'm already
taking 2 days for my HS reunion. If I go, I'll hit
both plays and possibly the DNGG Gala. I've got
reservations at a BB in Straford :)
> --- Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......> wrote:
>
> > Who is going up to Stratford to see GWD and NB
> next month and when
> > are you going respectively?
>

=====
Kristen Fife
http://www.fkvoyage.com/fkfanfic/fife_kristen/
"When a half-breed vampire becomes the object of Mafia revenge, the ensuing
power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
THAN WATER
"The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him."

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:01:47 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Good wishes for Rosh Hashanah

I would have sent this out yesterday but was out with a cold.

L'shanah tovah -- may we all be inscribed for a good year in the book of life.

Love to all,

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:05:22 -0400
From:    Lisa Stevens <lisastevens036@s.......>
Subject: Re: Stratford

  Hey Kristen,

    Sounds like we will be there around the same time.

    Lisa Hobbs Stevens


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kristen Fife" <fenix23fyre@y......>
  To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:52 AM
  Subject: Re: Stratford


  > I have tentative plans to go the 15-20. I just started
  > a new job so I'm wrangling time off; I'm already
  > taking 2 days for my HS reunion. If I go, I'll hit
  > both plays and possibly the DNGG Gala. I've got
  > reservations at a BB in Straford :)

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:39:15 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceyem@b.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

>this operation is NOT legal.
>Now if Sony decide to get thier knickers in a twist

If they put Jean Graham 'out of business' because she was 'selling'
her book 'On Holy Ground', why haven't they gone after this person?
--
Emily Lacey
laceyem@b.......

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:00:03 -0400
From:    Tim Phillips <tim.phillips@a.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

> If they put Jean Graham 'out of business' because she was 'selling'
> her book 'On Holy Ground', why haven't they gone after this person?
        Probably because the powers that be haven't heard about him yet.
        He's got shows from all over the networks for sale.
        It is only a matter of time before he gets noticed by somone who
doesn't like what he is doing.

                Tim

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:18:41 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

Emily,

A lot of what fans do is illegal, not just in the FK fandom, but other
fandoms too. Fan fiction, musical videos, and manipulated pictures are all
illegal. I would imagine technically that all of the FK pictures posted on
our web sites are illegal too. If you're interested, there's a lot of info
on the internet about the legality of fan fiction. You can find the info by
searching it on 'Google'.

Sony seems to allow us this privilege as long as there's no profit. I'm very
grateful they do because it keeps the wonderful characters alive, and gives
us fans our FK fix. Allowing fans this bit of liberty to use the FK
characters brings new fans into the FK fandom. I have several readers of my
fan fiction that found my work by surfing the internet for paranormal
romance and vampires. They had never heard of Forever Knight until they
started reading my stories.  Now they're fans of the show, and have
purchased FK's Season One DVDs.

I can't answer your question because I haven't seen the product listed on
ebay, but if they're making a profit, it's very wrong.  I also don't
remember the details of Jean Graham's book, but perhaps she was making a
profit without Sony's approval.

Okay, that's my take on all of this, for what it's worth.

Deborah A. Hymon

DeborahAHymon.com

on 9/16/04 12:39 PM, Emily Lacey at laceyem@b....... wrote:
>> this operation is NOT legal.
> If they put Jean Graham 'out of business' because she was 'selling'
> her book 'On Holy Ground', why haven't they gone after this person?

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:24:36 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

Emily Lacey wrote:
> If they put Jean Graham 'out of business' because she was 'selling'
> her book 'On Holy Ground', why haven't they gone after this person?

Because they don't know about it, I'm sure. I'm betting Sony lawyers have
bigger things to do than to comb the internet for people running a fairly
penny-ante pirate DVD business. They'd have to be told about it first. Someone
told Sony about Jean's book..

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:32:36 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceyem@b.......>
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

>Because they don't know about it, I'm sure.

Well, I'm ticked enough to tell someone. If this guy is making $49
for his DVD's, how can I complain when Sony brings them out for $80?
The only reason I got season 1 was because of the error in price. I'm
already saving for Season 2, but since I'm being forced to move 100+
miles away anytime in the next 6 months, I'm not sure I'm going to be
able to actually purchase it when it hits the street.

What's the address to let Sony know?
--
Emily Lacey
laceyem@b.......

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Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:08:00 -0400
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Seasons 2 & 3???

IMHO, the problem with Jean's book is that it was advertised as a novel, not as
fanfic (as I recall). We are very lucky that so many "PTB" over tv shows turn
their head at fan fiction unless something raises their eyebrows, especially
shows where pro novels are still being produced.

I doubt they've discovered the DVD guy yet, as I do know they've gone after
others on eBay. Well, they may know about it now if they have anyone on this list
<g> Believe me, you can get in SERIOUS trouble for schemes like this if they go
after you. I know of one person this happened to and he told me he was lucky he
got off as cheap as he did, and it still was extemely expensive... He explained
he was going on what others had told him and were doing so didn't realize he
was breaking copyright laws. It wasn't FK, but you never know who they will go
after. And they have every right to protect their properties.

--Libs

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