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FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Jul 2004 to 5 Jul 2004 (#2004-181)

Mon, 5 Jul 2004

There are 17 messages totalling 494 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. once I get the password...
  2. YKYBWFKTLW (10)
  3. LC water (was:YKYBWFKTLW) (3)
  4. Lacroix products (2)
  5. Capt. Stonetree's diet

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:55:13 -0400
From:    "Mildred G. Cady" <mgcady@h.......>
Subject: once I get the password...

then I can watch first season on DVD while no one calls in (I work in a call
center doing tech support)...

and get paid for it!

now to remember the login for the Mac...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mildred G. Cady
Merc Mommy General
who's bound to be court-martialed... someday

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:33:30 EDT
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

In a message dated 7/3/2004 2:29:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
brightfeather1.geo@y...... writes:
Okay, this may have been mentioned before, but I was
in the grocery store with my mom today and noticed
"LaCroix sparkling water"  <g>
I have looked forever an have never been able to find that water! I would
have to buy some and try it if I ever seen it!

Robin

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:05:49 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

--- Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......> wrote:
> "LaCroix sparkling water"  <g>
> I have looked forever an have never been able to
> find that water! I would
> have to buy some and try it if I ever seen it!



It might be a regional thing.  We have it in grocery
stores all over NE ohio.  I have been served it on
airplanes and it is in the Coke machine at work.

Mo

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:18:42 EDT
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

In a message dated 7/5/2004 11:06:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mobody_62@y...... writes:
It might be a regional thing.  We have it in grocery
stores all over NE ohio.  I have been served it on
airplanes and it is in the Coke machine at work
Hmm. I'm in the south, so that must be what it is. I've lived in Alabama,
Georgia and North Carolina and never seen it.

Robin

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:46:26 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

In a message dated 7/5/04 10:19:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
Robinchristine79@a....... writes:


>  I've lived in Alabama,
> Georgia and North Carolina and never seen it.
>
>

I've seen it in Arkansas. I don't like it AT ALL. Tastes kind of yucky.

But then I'm a Ratpacker so maybe that has somethin' wot ta dew wit' h'it.

--Libs

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:49:04 EDT
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

In a message dated 7/5/2004 11:47:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Libratsie@a....... writes:
I've seen it in Arkansas. I don't like it AT ALL. Tastes kind of yucky.

But then I'm a Ratpacker so maybe that has somethin' wot ta dew wit' h'it.
Maybe it's a "special ingredient" that Uncle uses! ;D

Robin

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:19:13 -0400
From:    Katherine DeVries <banshee1@t.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

Hello,

I live in FL and the local Winn Dixie carries it.... FYI

Kat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Tidwell" <Robinchristine79@a.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW


> In a message dated 7/5/2004 11:06:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mobody_62@y...... writes:
> It might be a regional thing.  We have it in grocery
> stores all over NE ohio.  I have been served it on
> airplanes and it is in the Coke machine at work
> Hmm. I'm in the south, so that must be what it is. I've lived in Alabama,
> Georgia and North Carolina and never seen it.
>
> Robin

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:02:49 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

I used to see LaCroix bottled water in the grocery store I shopped in when I
lived in Columbia, S.C. I've forgotten which chain it was, except that I know it
wasn't Winn Dixie or Piggly Wiggly. (Yes, there really is a chain of gorcery
stores in the south called Piggly Wiggly! It seems the owner of the first store
thought the customers coming through the turnstile at the door -- no idea why he
had one -- looked like pigs crossing a style. )

I've seen it in Indianapolis stores, too.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:37:05 -0700
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

Robin said:
> Hmm. I'm in the south, so that must be what it is.
> I've lived in Alabama,
> Georgia and North Carolina and never seen it.


Actaully, I'm in the Atlanta, Georgia area, and it was
at the Kroger down the street.

Laura


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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:01:24 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Re: LC water (was:YKYBWFKTLW)

I am in the NY Metro area (NW New Jersey) and I have never seen it.
Does anyone know if there is a way to order it online?
I would just love to have some (keep the bottle)

-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com


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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:04:40 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Re: LC water (was:YKYBWFKTLW)

I just answered my own question...

The company website is
http://www.lacroixwater.com

and by doing a search on yahoo, I found a couple of distributors.
-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com


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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:48:59 -0400
From:    "Cheryl P." <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: LC water (was:YKYBWFKTLW)

I live in redneck Pepperell MA  and never heard of LaCroix water, but if anyone
has it I would love one.  He's my favorite.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......
>
> From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
> Date: 2004/07/05 Mon PM 02:04:40 EDT
> To: FORKNI-L@l.......
> Subject: Re: LC water (was:YKYBWFKTLW)
>
>

He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in 1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:36:03 EDT
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

I had some of this water and it was horrible.  I'm just not into fizzy water.
 I recently gave it to the neighbors.  Since stomach bypass surgery i can't
do carbination anyway.  But I did love seeing his name on the cans. :)

Jeannie

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:48:16 +0200
From:    lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Lacroix products

Over here in Europe you can also buy (very expensive) exclusive Lacroix
watches and in Germany we have a Lacroix line of gourmet food (pate, soup,
sauces)and ...this one always makes me laugh: beef stock.

Doris
"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table" - Uncle
http://www.come-undone.net
http://www.uncle-unlimited.org

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:55:54 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Capt. Stonetree's diet

About a week late, but it's taken me *this long* to catch up on a month's
worth of backlog. (I was on the road for a couple of weeks doing RL politics.)

At 11:30 PM 6/28/2004, Kylie wrote:

>  I would imagine vegetarians find it more difficult to get the protein
>needed to balance the intake with high-glycemic vegetables such as pasta,
>potatoes, rice, carrots corn, etcetc.

Actually, not. Most vegetarians I know are into "whole foods", which means
there's a lot of soy and beans on the menu (beans have carbs, but they're
high in protein and fiber), plus lots of whole grains and lots of veggies.

>I believe this is even more prevalent in indigenous races, which Stonetree
>seems to identify with, as
>many(including most Caucasian races) evolved on a higher protein, or at
>the very least, a more balanced diet than we are having now, hence the
>high diabetes numbers, even if ones diet is what society would say is a
>'healthy' one.

The things I've read on the matter seem to indicate that the culprit is NOT
low protein -- most of us (persons from "Western European"-cultured
nations) are consuming much too much protein, anyway! -- but rather
prepared convenience foods, which are high in sodium, saturated fats,
high-fructose corn syrup, and trans-fats, and which are based on refined
grains in which most of the nutrition has been stripped away.

>Basically the rule of thumb is...if you look like an apple then lay off
>the carbos or eat more protein!

Ummm.... No. If you look like an apple, that COULD be your genes popping
through. But if you look like an apple AND have a high body-fat percentage,
then you need to lose fat mass, and possibly (if you're already at a
"healthy" weight for your height) build lean muscle mass as well. Unless
you're already at a "healthy weight", the first rule to reducing fat mass
is reducing overall caloric intake. Depending on what your diet looks like,
that *could* mean reducing more carbs than proteins or fats... or it could
*not* mean that. If your "prescription" includes building additional lean
muscle mass, then you MAY need to consider adding more protein into your
diet (if the health of your kidneys will allow it).

For most people (INCLUDING diabetics and persons with Metabolic Syndrome),
a healthy balance is 15-20% of your total calories from protein, 50-60%
from carbohydrates, and 25-30% from fats. However this is subdivided a
little bit: no more than 10% of your daily caloric intake should be from
saturated fats (or no more than 7% if you have high cholesterol).

What is important in choosing one's diet is to limit sodium from ALL
sources to under 2 g per day (unless you're living/working in an
environment where you're sweating profusely for long periods of the day, in
which case you MAY need more) and to eschew processed foods in favor of
fresh/whole foods where possible (e.g., whole-grain bread instead of white
bread; fresh veggies instead of canned/tinned; a fresh apple instead of
applesauce; an orange instead of orange juice). Also, replacing saturated
fats with monounsaturated fats and omega-3 polyunsaturated fats is helpful.

>Ever wondered why that rice, salad and vege diet never worked as it should
>and people thought you just weren't doing it properly or not doing enough
>exercise, even though you were in the pool every day?

OTOH, the Stillman Diet didn't do what it was supposed to, either.

>Anyone who wants to know more should get their hands on The X-Factor by
>Lesley Kenton. It's very
>interesting reading.

Is this about "Syndrome X" (aka "Metabolic Syndrome")?

>Geeze i sound like an infomercial...:P

I suspect I sound even *more* like an infomercial...

The truth is, most of the past two years that I've been doing more lurking
than posting, I've been spending a lot of my online time researching health
and diet information for personal reasons. Approximately two years ago, I
was diagnosed with diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol
(yes, that "Metabolic Syndrome" thing, though the doctor's office didn't
call it that) and I was put on a very-low-sodium, calorie-restricted
diet... or rather, the intersection of a low-sodium diet and an out-of-date
calorie-restricted diet for diabetics. Each had a number of internal
inconsistencies and things that just didn't make sense, so I had to learn
how to carve out a diet that would meet those specifications and which
would work for *me*.

In the process, I dropped more than 90 lb (41kg or 6.25 stone) and went
from being on two prescriptions for blood pressure and one for diabetes to
being completely diet-controlled. My cholesterol started coming down with
the diet plan and the last couple of readings were, quite frankly, enviable.

(For those in the medical professions:  yes, I realize that diabetes is a
chronic and degenerative condition, and there will come a time when
pharmaceutical therapy will once again become necessary -- but I should
like to put that off as long as possible!)

The process has, as Tracy G. noted about vegetarians years ago, made it
difficult for me to eat socially until I got to a point where a day or a
week of bad eating would not completely upset my readings. I'm still not
completely comfortable eating where I don't have control over the food
preparation because there are *so* many places that unwanted sodium can
creep onto one's plate.

Rather than Ornish, the book sources I refer people to for health
information are _The Salt Solution_ by Herb Boynton, Mark F. McCarty, and
Richard D. Moore, M.D., Ph.D (2001: Avery), ISBN 1-58333-085-2 and _Eat,
Drink, and Be Healthy: The Harvard Medical School Guide to Healthy Eating_
by Walter C. Willett, M.D. (2001:Free Press), ISBN 0-7432-2322-5. I'm quite
impressed with Willett's "Healthy Eating Pyramid", which puts at its base
exercise, followed by fruits and veggies, and only *then* adds in grains,
followed by lean, omega-3-rich protein sources and healthy fats, placing
refined carbs and fatty non-fish meats in the "use sparingly" tip.

Both Boynton/McCarty/Moore and Willett base their works on large-scale
studies conducted over long periods of time, so their results are more
likely to be accurate and helpful than some of the recent small-scale
studies on specialized populations which the mass (non-medical) media have
interpreted to be useful to the general population.

Based on Boynton/McCarty/Moore's research and previous diets where I had
trouble losing weight on much greater degrees of caloric restriction, I
consider the sodium reduction to have been the greater factor in my weight
loss and the turnaround in my health.

*sigh*

Now that I've ranted on longer than I should, about a topic that can only
circuitously traced back to the list's topics (OK, we've got a potential
Stonetree weightloss/veggie diet, I think Reese mentioned something about
his wife trying to put him on a diet?, and we have the vamps' rather
restricted diet...), I guess I should ask if the Virtual Knights list is
still around, and if so, what's the list addy for it and what's its current
activity level...



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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:51:03 EDT
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWFKTLW

In a message dated 7/5/2004 1:37:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brightfeather1.geo@y...... writes:
Actaully, I'm in the Atlanta, Georgia area, and it was
at the Kroger down the street.
That makes me wonder if it's the owners or managers or something that have a
say in what the store carries. It seems like as popular as bottled water is
now, they would have as many different brands as the could. I lived in
Savannah,
though.

Robin

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Date:    Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:52:39 EDT
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix products

In a message dated 7/5/2004 3:48:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cousinlucilla@f....... writes:
...this one always makes me laugh: beef stock.
Ok, so he's recycling Nick's leftovers?! Sorry, I just had to say it!

Robin

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