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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Mar 2003 to 13 Mar 2003 - Special issue (#2003-74)
Thu, 13 Mar 2003
There are 34 messages totalling 1037 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. vampire physiology (11)
2. Question re Avenging Angel
3. FK moment and question (8)
4. How Would You Have Ended It? (5)
5. t-shirts and fanfic questions
6. Plump Vamps
7. Fw: Upcoming DVDs?
8. FK T-Shirts
9. Vampire parenthood (was: Re: Isn't it odd..?)
10. Nick's armor joke in DK (was Re: FK moment and question) (4)
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:05:04 -0800
From: Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......> wrote:
How much do you figure a vampire would weigh, in comparison to a mortal? <snip>
at the very least they would have super-dense bones or something.
i'm shocked that no one else as replied to this (that i've seen). I agree that
they better have some super bones... random guess here, but I think they would
gain... lets say, 5, ten pounds after being brought across???
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:25:38 -0800
From: "D. K. Kraft" <cat@e.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
Wolfy wrote:
>
> Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......> wrote:
> How much do you figure a vampire would weigh, in comparison to a mortal?
> <snip>
> at the very least they would have super-dense bones or something.
>
> i'm shocked that no one else as replied to this (that i've seen). I agree
> that they better have some super bones... random guess here, but I think
> they would gain... lets say, 5, ten pounds after being brought across???
Personally, I disagree with this theory. I don't believe that there
occurs any change to an FK vampire's body beyond the fundamental alterations
the retrovirus causes for vampiric existence. The body is rejuvenated and
frozen in a static state, yes, but the mass and density of the bones, among
other anatomy, remains the same.
The key to an FK vampire withstanding physical abuse is his/her
regenerative ability and the changes to brain chemistry with regard to pain (I
posted on the dopamine cascade a while back). For example, if Nick smashes
through a building wall with his fist (plaster, wood, drywall, etc.), he breaks
a lot, if not all, of the bones in his hand. The bones regenerate, likely
within seconds to minutes, and he feels the equivalent of a muscle spasm for
the entire action.
I'm sure that when Nick and LaCroix have knocked each other about,
they've both sustained physical injuries--they just aren't aware of them or
only sense them in passing. A broken bone, a dislocated shoulder, and a few
cracked ribs is nothing big to an FK vampire. And with me suffering right now
from a wrenched lower back, both an altered brain chemistry and regenerative
ability is mighty appealing...
Me-OW! Where's the ice pack? --
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:36:55 -0600
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
> How much do you figure a vampire would weigh, in comparison to a mortal?
> at the very least they would have super-dense bones or something
They wouldn't have to be all that different
They would have super vampire healing
(Or as X-man fans call it "Muntant healing factor")
And maybe the "vampire virous" stimulates different parts of the brain,
Like the Adreinal gland, giving them super strength
Possibally they might even lose some of the exess weight
Have you ever seen a fat vampire???
or are the fatter, slower ones taken down by the others?
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:45:45 -0800
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
That's what I was thinking-- vampires obviously go throught *some* physiological
changes at first (hence the fangs, glow-y eyes, super-sensative hearing and
sight-- don't even ASK me about flying!). Why wouldn't they have at least a
slight change in bone and/or muscle composition? (Iron deposits, maybe, left
over from the blood they consume?) LaCroix *did* indicate that he expected Nick
to feel a little strange, physically, soon after he was brought across (C&C).
-Megan
Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......> wrote:Megan Hull wrote:
How much do you figure a vampire would weigh, in comparison to a mortal? at the
very least they would have super-dense bones or something.
5, ten pounds after being brought across???
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:47:19 -0800
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
I'm not sure I want to know.... (Sounds like something for the Discovery
channel!)
-Megan
DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......> wrote:or are the fatter, slower ones taken down by
the others?
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:57:41 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
A vampire has no body mass, but if he did, he would weigh a little heavier
because he/she is dead and they would have bodyweight. But where they fly,
drift on air by their feet. Not much weight or sound.
Cheryl Pillsbury
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:31:11 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
How could bullets pass through them the way they do if vampire bones were
more dense than human bones?
debbie Clarke
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:36:26 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Question re Avenging Angel
I just watched avenging Angel
As you recall Laura shoots Jack Henderson at the end. I was wondering
What do you think she would be be charged with first, second or third
degree murder?
debbie Clarke
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:58:05 -0600
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
> How could bullets pass through them the way they do if vampire bones were
> more dense than human bones?
I asked a similer question a while ago
All the time we've seen nick get shot
does his super vampire healing push out the bullet as it closed the wound?
> Why wouldn't they have at least a slight change in bone and/or muscle
> composition?
> (Iron deposits, maybe, left over from the blood they consume?)
Maybe vampires matabolize any bullets they get hit with
(possibally using them to strengthen bones)
It's a hell of a way to get your daily dose of iron
I can just see nick chewing on bullets by the handful
the way most people eat M&M's
"Bullets/cop-killers, they do a body good"
(only if you have "Muntant healing factor")
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:27:18 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
--- Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
wrote:
> Nick was talking about not being able to relieve
himself in plate armor in Dark Knight. But didn't
knights still wear chain mail in his day?
# Yes, they did still wear chain mail. This is just
another continuity blooper.
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:34:19 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
But actually, doesn't whether the bullets lodge or
pass on through depend on how close and what type the
shot was? In Father Figure, the bullet just lodged,
and Nat had to dig it out. I'm trying to recall other
eps where that's happened, but I'm blanking.
Mel
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:49:38 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
In a message dated 3/12/03 7:27:38 PM Central Standard Time,
knightranger1228@y....... writes:
<< But didn't
knights still wear chain mail in his day?
# Yes, they did still wear chain mail. This is just
another continuity blooper. >>
Or, he was talking about a time AFTER the chain mail.
Cheddar on rye please....
Libby
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:17:01 -0600
From: CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
At 05:34 PM 3/12/2003 -0800, Mel wrote regarding bullets passing throuhg or
lodging:
> In Father Figure, the bullet just lodged,
>and Nat had to dig it out. I'm trying to recall other
>eps where that's happened, but I'm blanking.
Nat removes at least one bullet from Jannette in A Fate Worse Than Death.
Marci C.
cstar@a.......
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:23:47 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
> --- Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
wrote:
>> I would have had Nick find his mortality... and
maybe marry Nat...but I guess I'm a sucker for happy
endings.
# Everyone seems to be forgeting that if the 3rd
season did happen, especially "Fever", then if Nick
became mortal, he would be HIV+ and may even
eventually get Aids. Of course, if the 3rd season was
a dream, then this wouldn't matter.
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:40:54 EST
From: Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
In a message dated 3/12/2003 8:27:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
knightranger1228@y....... writes:
> # Yes, they did still wear chain mail. This is just
> another continuity blooper.
Maybe he was just cracking a joke??
Michele
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:53:13 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: t-shirts and fanfic questions
--- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
wrote:
> 1. In the flashback of Unreality TV, do we have an
exact battle or location or just that it is the Civil
War?
# The photographer mentions 'the run'. So, I believe
it is the Battle of Second Manassas (CSA name) or
Second Bull Run (Union name). Other names are
Manassas Plains, Groveton, Gainesville, and Brawner's
Farm. It is in
Prince William County in Northern Virginia and took
place August 28-30, 1862. (Some fighting was done at
night, good for FK purposes.) The principal
commanders
were Maj. Gen. John Pope [USA] and Gen. Robert E. Lee
[CSA] and Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Jackson [CSA]. Here is
a total for estimated casualties: 22,180 total (US
13,830; CS 8,350). Also, Nick's uniform was correct
for a medical officer. I was very surprised to see
that. Someone in wardrobe must have been a Civil War
buff, or they just got lucky with the costume.
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:00:19 -0600
From: Sami Swan Thompson <tsigili@e.......>
Subject: Re: Plump Vamps
Dpheil wrote:
> Have you ever seen a fat vampire???
> or are the fatter, slower ones taken down by the others?
Personally, I prefer the word "zaftig," thank you very much.
Let's just say that the more - ahem - generous vampires
would be at home, ordering in. They pay those skinny kids
to bring their dinner to them. It's like ordering pizza,
but not.
Overheard at the gym:
"As if I'd go out chasing my dinner in THIS dress;
it's dry clean only!"
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:09:47 EST
From: Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
I'm pretty sure I'm alone in thinking that the way the series ended was
appropriate to both the premise of the series (hero questing for noble but
impossible goal) and the realities of the corporate shenanigans with FK. It
was also powerful and moving. Anything else would have been cheap and wrong.
(Then again, I don't see Hamlet waltzing off into the sunset with Ophelia,
either!)
Best,
Julia
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:13:38 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> # Yes, they did still wear chain mail. This is
just another continuity blooper. >>
> Or, he was talking about a time AFTER the chain mail.
# He would be a vampire by the time plate armour came
around. Why would a vampire need to wear armour? I
don't think he would even deal with it as a vampire.
Early on, as a young vampire, he was not trying to
blend in with humans, etc. So, the armour he would be
familiar with is chain mail.
Knight Ranger
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:22:31 -0500
From: maja ha <majalady@m.......>
Subject: Fw: Upcoming DVDs?
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I'm writing with a question. Are you soon going to be putting out the
show "Forever Knight" on DVD ? I would love to have this series on DVD ! I
have heard some rumors that it will be for sale soon (Craig Thompson,
Customer Service) but yet other rumors that you'all are just stringing
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it will be for sale soon......as in a couple months or less.". Or "Yes, but
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:11:16 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
I don't remember even seeing the original post. :-(
Okay... if the bones are denser why must they be heavier? There are metals
that are light weight yet stronger than iron. Could something biological
apply to vampire bones. (Oh, them bones, them bones.. them vampire bones!)
*ahem*
Poor guys have to fly too, ya know. Can't you just see a vampire putting
about at low level because he's too heavy to fly?
(Oy... now I'm picturing a brought across Schanke trying to fly..)
;)=
Kyer
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:58:40 -0800
From: Idena Thatcher <shabernigdo2002@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK T-Shirts
> I've still got the t-shirt I received a few years
> ago
> It's black, with a big red "Got ?" on the
> front.
do you know where I can get one like that?! it sounds
so awsome!
'Idena
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:35:09 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
Yeah that is a possibility, though the HIV was
supposed to have bound to the other virus....of course
we have no way of being sure, but it could also have
been rendered harmless. But, like I said, no way to be
sure.
Mel
>
> # Everyone seems to be forgeting that if the 3rd
> season did happen, especially "Fever", then if Nick
> became mortal, he would be HIV+ and may even
> eventually get Aids. Of course, if the 3rd season
> was
> a dream, then this wouldn't matter.
>
> Knight Ranger
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:18:38 -0800
From: Sherri <bloodroses_thorn@y.......>
Subject: Vampire parenthood (was: Re: Isn't it odd..?)
--- Becky <beckp@i.......> wrote:
> If Nick required centuries of instruction and the
> security of the family
> group, surely leaving a new vampire to fend for
> himself is the same as
> abandoning a child.
Perhaps it was simply a different style of
'parenting'. The princess wanted Vachon and the Incan
to be able to stand on their own, to be strong and
independant so that they could fulfill her orders
(it's been a while since I last saw this episode, so I
might be confused... I can't clearly remember *why*
she brought Vachon across at the moment).
Nunkie, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as the
sort of person who would want strong-willed
independant children. I think he brought Janette and
Nick across because he wanted a group of people that
would stay with him, and would obey him. It also
explains why Nunkie seems to have a weakness for
bringing across people in need, which he shares with
Nick. It could also be why he takes Nick's defiance
so personally. It defeats the purpose of his having
made Nick a vampire in the first place.
I personally don't hold with the notion that a vampire
childe requires training. I mean, obviously they need
to learn the rules and such, but I don't know if
having the father around for centuries is really
necessary. I think that was LaCroix's conceit. He
was a general in life, and he wants to be a general
now as well, and a general must have someone to
control. Besides, there are lots of vampires in the
show who do just fine without their vampire masters
about (Francesca, the Baroness, Vachon, Screed, etc).
Well... okay, maybe that's a bad list. But, the
point's the same.
*headbutts*
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:01:28 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
In a message dated 3/12/03 9:14:12 PM Central Standard Time,
knightranger1228@y....... writes:
<< Why would a vampire need to wear armour? >>
Why would a vampire pretend to be human at all? Nick tries to pass. He melds
in with the human crowd. He might have worn armour to blend in for hunting,
even (I just hope he made sure the helmet was removed before he bit...
heheheh)
Nick and LaCroix had quite a history of hanging out in battlefields. In order
to get away with it, you'd have to blend in until ready to strike.
Another reason he might have at least tried on armour - curiousity, just the
way I and others can't resist trying on historical costumes backstage in a
theater even though we won't be using those items in the play.
Libs
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:44:27 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
One other thing I can think of is it might provide a
way to go out in daylight. Don't know if the FK vamps
would try it or not.....read it in one of NB'S novels.
But I wonder....how would a vampire bite someone in
all that metal? The neck is protected, isn't it? Can
opener anyone? LOL
Mel
>
> << Why would a vampire need to wear armour? >>
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:55:23 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
Libs wrote:
> Why would a vampire pretend to be human at all? Nick tries
> to pass. He melds in with the human crowd. He might have worn armour to blend
> in for hunting, even (I just hope he made sure the helmet was removed
> before he bit...
But a full suit of armor is not something you just casually put on. It
takes several people to wedge you in there and fasten all the straps
and buckles, and while it's more comfortable than you might expect (if
it's custom made to your shape)it's not exactly hunting attire. For
one thing, it isn't very quiet. <g>
> Nick and LaCroix had quite a history of hanging out in
> battlefields. In order to get away with it, you'd have to blend in
> until ready to strike.
I'm pretty sure that in the era of full-body armor, battles were
fought at a pre-arranged field of combat (think Henry V and Agincourt)
at a reasonable time of day. Battles weren't fought at night, not
then. Neither Nick or Lacroix would need armor to blend into the dead
and dying who would be left on the field of combat after the battle
was over. They would be competing with the locals who would be looting
the bodies, though. Also, the knights who fell on the field, being
nobles, were retrieved after the battle so they could have a proper
burial...the common soldiers could wait for their common grave.
> Another reason he might have at least tried on armour -
> curiousity, just the way I and others can't resist trying on historical costumes
> backstage in a theater even though we won't be using those items in the play.
I'd buy that reason. I can see Nick clanking around in his room in a
borrowed suit of armor, just to see what it was like.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:12:49 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Nick's armor joke in DK (was Re: FK moment and question)
--- Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......> wrote:
> But a full suit of armor is not something you just
> casually put on. It takes several people to wedge
>you in there and fasten all the straps and buckles,
In Shakespeare's Henry V, The Chorus, in describing
the preparations during the pre-dawn hours before
Agincourt, says:
and from the tents
The armourers, accomplishing the knights,
With busy hammers closing rivets up,
So even if Nick worn full plate armor after becoming a
vampire, he would have been well and truly stuck in
there. Even given vampire strength, he would not have
been able to reach most of the rivets.
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:47:58 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's armor joke in DK (was Re: FK moment and question)
Laurie of the Isles wrote:
> So even if Nick worn full plate armor after becoming a
> vampire, he would have been well and truly stuck in
> there. Even given vampire strength, he would not have
> been able to reach most of the rivets.
I don't think that Shakespeare's armorers were actually riveting the knights
into their armor--they were doing last-minute repairs to individual bits before
the battle, just as they would be sharpening swords and pikes. Plate armor is
buckled together with straps and latches (hey, I watched "Medieval Tournament"
just this last week!).
However, the buckles are not all in places the wearer can reach them--so the
principle remains. Nick would have needed at least one squire to shoehorn him
into his tin can. :-)
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:58:15 -0500
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick's armor joke in DK (was Re: FK moment and question)
In a message dated 3/13/2003 9:47:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
nancykam@a....... writes:
> However, the buckles are not all in places the wearer can reach them--so the
> principle remains. Nick would have needed at least one
> squire to shoehorn him
> into his tin can.
Or, as most UFers can imagine, LaCroix could buckle him in.. and then unbuckle
him if he happened to be in the mood at the time. <g>
Libs
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:06:18 -0600
From: Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
<<I'm pretty sure I'm alone in thinking that the way the series ended was
appropriate to both the premise of the series (hero questing for noble but
impossible goal) and the realities of the corporate shenanigans with FK.>>
Actually, Julia, you're not alone. Once I got over the initial shock, I had
to admit to myself that it was the most plausible and appropriate ending of
the series, given the whole tenor of the third season. Funny that you
should mention Hamlet and Ophelia. I always thought the series had the feel
of a Shakespearean tragedy...especially the last season. "Last Knight"
reminded me a lot of my first viewing of Hamlet. I remember sitting there
thinking, "My gawd...Shakespeare upped and killed everybody but this one
poor guy who has to carry this last image around with him for the rest of
his life."
Christy
cstillma@u.......
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:12:06 -0600
From: Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
<<But I wonder....how would a vampire bite someone in
all that metal? The neck is protected, isn't it? Can
opener anyone? LOL>>
Maybe that's the REAL reason pop-tops were invented. ;-)
Christy
cstillma@u.......
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:16:55 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's armor joke in DK (was Re: FK moment and question)
I've always heard that there are a lot of misconceptions about how hard
it is to get into armour, but I'd never heard they were *riveted* into
it. Shakespeare's statement about the "armorers accomplishing the
knights/ With busy hammers closing rivets up" wasn't meant to suggest
the knights were riveted into their armour; he was using a now-obscure
meaning of "to accomplish":
"To equip or furnish thoroughly; hence, to complete in acquirements; to
render accomplished; to polish.
The armorers accomplishing the knights. --Shak."
(From http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=accomplish)
Furthermore, Shakespeare's information about Agincourt is not reliable,
since that battle took place in 1415 and Shakespeare was born in 1564,
more than 150 years later.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:22:37 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
I can see how it would be plausible...but I still like
the idea of not ending it at all as some others have
said. That way, the door would be open for a movie, or
if not, we could draw our own conclusions. (that would
be the one drawback to having him become mortal...no
fodder for a movie.)
Actually, LaCroix was supposed to use that Romeo and
Juliet quote in the end...why was it cut? Any ideas?
Mel
>
> Actually, Julia, you're not alone. Once I got over the initial shock, I had
> to admit to myself that it was the most plausible and appropriate ending of
> the series, given the whole tenor of the third season. Funny that you
> should mention Hamlet and Ophelia. I always thought the series had the feel
> of a Shakespearean tragedy...especially the last season. "Last Knight"
> reminded me a lot of my first viewing of Hamlet. I remember sitting there
> thinking, "My gawd...Shakespeare upped and killed everybody but this one
> poor guy who has to carry this last image around with him for the rest of
> his life."
>
> Christy
> cstillma@u.......
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