FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Mar 2003 to 10 Mar 2003 (#2003-70)
Mon, 10 Mar 2003
There are 30 messages totalling 865 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Re. Ashes to Ashes question
2. What was going to happen to Natalie? (7)
3. FK music video song
4. Isn't it odd..? (2)
5. YKYBWTMFK
6. Ashes to Ashes question
7. Schanke on Seinfeld! (2)
8. FK dream
9. lightbulbs,
10. FK moment and question (4)
11. Need Fiction parts
12. YKYBWTMFKW....
13. Re Ashes to Ashes question
14. How Would You Have Ended It? (6)
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:41:34 -0800
From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Re. Ashes to Ashes question
She was probably a spoiled brat, but I wonder if she was truly evil as
a child. She was also intelligent and very manipulative. Becoming a
vampire would have definitely increased the brat factor and her
potential for evil. If she already had a lot of potential for the dark
side, it would have been even more amplified then -- ironically, the
same reason LC didn't bring across Hitler.
--- Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y.......> wrote:
> If I remember correctly, Divia once says that the 'Healer' picked her
for bringing across because her evil was so 'pure' which means she was
a nasty little brat from the start.
=====
Emily M. Hanson
Homepage - http://www.starbase-eprime.us
My Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.us
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:45:04 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
In a message dated 3/9/03 2:20:32 PM Central Standard Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:
<< USA clearly thinks "sexy" has to mean "bleached blonde and
falling out of a bathing suit." <snort> >>
Or bald, cockney, and rat eating.
Yep!!!! Too bad they cut the intended scene of Screed in a bikini.
Libs
Libratsie@a.......
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:56:01 -0600
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK music video song
What are some of the lyrics?
Maybe we can figgure it out
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:59:05 -0800
From: Janice Cox <jancox46@a.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
Actually, I wouldn't have minded if the whole "search for a cure" theme had
gone on hiatus. It was never a draw for me - the idea that you've got to
live (unlive?) with what you've done and make amends as best you can was
good enough for me, and I liked Nick's struggle to make right choices and be
a good person. I'm not a Nick basher (really!) but his misery over how awful
it was to be a vampire was my least favorite part of his personality.
Of course, I pretty much despised Louie by the end of "Interview," and was
cheering on Lestat as he complained to the interviewer. ;-p So maybe I'm
just flawed that way...or would make a good, content, vampire. <vbg>
Janice
There's something very weird going on here...
Fan Fiction and Internet Humor at:
http://home.attbi.com/~jancox46/
>>As for the search for a cure, they were going to lose that angle completely.
>Ok, maybe it's just me, but I thought the idea for a cure (ie to
>become human again) was the entire point of the series!
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:08:08 -0600
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: Isn't it odd..?
> I doubt Screed was a soldier--merchant marine, maybe?
I always thought screed was a priete
in the 15/16 cent.
Living on a boat for most of his life
that's why he eats rats
that's all that was availible to him
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:32:30 -0500
From: mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
> Or bald, cockney, and rat eating.
> Yep!!!! Too bad they cut the intended scene of Screed in a bikini.
> Libs
Ok, has the Ratpack been eating too much portwine cheeseball again? <g>
McLisa, looking for a newspaper while laughing at the image. (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:26:01 -0800
From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK
--- Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......> wrote:
> You know you've been watching too much FK when:
>
> I mentioned part of this before, playing a computer
flight sim game at a friend's house and using the name
and call sign Nick 'Crusader 1' Knight....was there
again, tried to play the game but it didn't work, so I
spent part of the afternoon playing 'Operation' for
PC...and was unable to resist using the name 'Natalie'
when they asked for a name on the 'operating lisence'.
I tried 'Dr Lambert' but it was too long. The game has
a part with different monsters, but no vampires :(
These are old ones I never got posted. I watched The
Sound of Music when it aired on NBC and noticed the
name Nicholas Hammond in the credits. My first thought
was 'I didn't know Nick did musicals'
I was watching WinTuition on Game Show Network, and
they had a question where the contestants had to
translate Roman numerals into regular numbers and I
got a wierd picture of Nick and LaCroix watching in
the loft and LaCroix rattling them off fast and Nick
going 'but you have an advantage: You ARE an ancient
Roman'.
I came accross a movie on We, that new women's
channel, called 'Deadly Love.' It's about a Toronto
cop who falls in love with a vampire. I immediately
started getting bunnies...and every time I'd see the
ME I'd be like 'Hey, where's Natalie?' There's also
another Toronto-set vamp movie I have to find and
watch called 'Blood and donuts.' Hm....sounds like a
Nick and Schanke lunch or something LOL.
You're watching American Psycho 2 just because GWD is
in it and the things his psychologist character and
the psycho chick talk about remind you of FK again and
again....dead end, no love life, frustration level,
wanting something so badly you'll do anything for it.
And you could say vamps are the ultimate serial
killers anyway.
Mel
sugar-loaded (from the birthday party I went
to)NNPacker, KoC
What time is it? What day is it? What century is it?
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:50:31 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes question
Maybe it was irrelevant to her Divia how close they were. If
LaCroix was hurt by their loss so much the better. Her real objective was
to set up a situation where LaCroix would end up alone, abandoned by
everyone, friends family and others. . It worked in so far as the word
went out to the community that being around LaCroix was not a good idea.
I always found the relationship between LaCroix and Urs rather forced. Sort
of we have to find some place for Urs in the story so lets suggest in her
last episode that she was LaCroix's paramour.
as for Vachon I don't think Nick ever gave him much thought except
in regard to Tracy. That isn't to say he disliked him. He was just
rather indifferent to him.
debbie Clarke
>From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
>
>One thing I don't get is why Divia would go after
>Vachon and Urs. It was those closest to LaCroix she
>was after and those two aren't real close...or did
>they just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong
>time and end up getting in her way so she took them
>out?
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:07:51 GMT
From: KC Smith <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Schanke on Seinfeld!
John Kapelos, aka Don Schanke, is on Seinfeld right now!! With long hair!!
Too cool!
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with dark tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:32:14 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: FK dream
I dreamed that they were filming a new FK movie, and I was standing in
for CD until they actually needed her (because we have the same hair?!).
I was just enjoying watching GWD up close . . . I was feeling pretty
happy that we would have *something* new to watch, when I woke up.
I guess it's time for another fanfic fix. A big one this time.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:31:19 -0800
From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: Schanke on Seinfeld!
Will thgis be repeated....? If not, could someone get
me a copy? I didn't know it was on and missed it.
Mel (long hair....wow.)
NNPacker, KoC
What time is it? What day is it? What century is it?
--- KC Smith <tigrlady2u@j.......> wrote:
> John Kapelos, aka Don Schanke, is on Seinfeld right
> now!! With long hair!!
> Too cool!
>
>
>
>
> KC Smith
> tigrlady2u@j.......
> Nick/Natpacker with dark tendencies.
> "I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
>
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:16:36 -0800
From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: lightbulbs,
Who contributed the Vaquero answer and who put up that
second UF answer last night? I still need those two
and if no other answers come in, I'll send the list to
the people who asked for it. TY in advance.
Mel
NNPacker, KoC
what time is it? what day is it? what century is it?
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:47:12 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
McLisa wrote:
> gotten that far. As for the search for a cure, they were
> going to lose that angle completely.
Good grief! Ignore the whole premise of the show? Unbelievable.
> why they couldn't just transfer him. There had been some talk of keeping him
> and making him the new captain but John Kapelos didn't like the idea even if
> they'd offered it to him. Personally I rather like it. Certainly the dynamics
> would have been interesting.
From what I understand, this move would have made Schanke a recurring
character, with less pay than as a regular, and he didn't want to do
that for financial reasons.
> USA was behind the killing off of Capt. Cohen too. I don't know why.
Not sexy enough!! I'm sure they would have preferred Pamela Anderson
as the captain. <G>
> Why USA bought a show with an established audience which
> was largely female and with a wider range of ages than that if what they
And with more disposable income than their chosen demographic, too.
Yes, they're all idiots.
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:16:53 -0800
From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: FK moment and question
--- I was watching Discovery Channel's program on the
medievil(sp?) tournament tonight and one of the
contestants was Nick. But, Nick didn't win.
Now the question. Nick was talking about not being
able to relieve himself in plate armor in Dark Knight.
But didn't knights still wear chain mail in his day?
Mel (hm...do vamps, uh, have to relieve themselves?
lol
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:33:33 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
In a message dated 3/10/03 1:17:40 AM Central Standard Time,
sgt_buck_frobisher@y....... writes:
<< (hm...do vamps, uh, have to relieve themselves? >>
A long while ago, some of us figured out that he would have been in the
armour AFTER being made a vampire. So can you just imagine LaCroix's lecture
on THAT delimma.
"Nicolas, I have told you to think of that BEFORE you put the armor on..."
Libs
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:42:16 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
> Then USA decided to get rid of the character (Janette) because -- hold onto
> your hats -- she
> wasn't sexy enough
Ms. Duchame could be more arousing with her face than most actresses
could manage stark-naked.
USA's executives were idiots.
Tim
Tim Phillips
Systems Developer II
timp@d.......
"under the iron flail of the FlakPanzer" - UNDER THE YOKE by S.M. Stirling
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:47:11 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
> > Or bald, cockney, and rat eating.
> > Yep!!!! Too bad they cut the intended scene of Screed in a bikini.
>
> McLisa, looking for a newspaper while laughing at the image.
Egad.
I think something more serious than a newspaper is called for.
I was sitting here contemplating pleasant images of a seductive
Janette ghosting behind my eyes and suddenly got Screed in a
bikini...
Damn near swallowed my bubble-gum.
I think heaving boxes of DE-CON is called for.
Tim
Tim Phillips
Systems Developer II
timp@d.......
"under the iron flail of the FlakPanzer" - UNDER THE YOKE by S.M. Stirling
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:48:22 -0700
From: Becky <beckp@i.......>
Subject: Re: Isn't it odd..?
I always found Angel, the Inca priestess to be unstable. She brought across
two young enemy soldiers/warriors and immediately suicided. She left them to
iron out their differences and carry out her orders without any help.
If Nick required centuries of instruction and the security of the family
group, surely leaving a new vampire to fend for himself is the same as
abandoning a child.
Lightfoot
"Yes Virginia, there are Vampires."
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:17:09 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Need Fiction parts
Hi-
Does anyone have the first two parts of Doris Weiss' "Insatiable"?
For some reason I only got the third part.
If you could, please send them to my fic email addy -
nicholas_debrabant1228@y.......
Thanks so much!
-Amanda
=====
"Give me your soul and your heart will take flight
Forevermore in the night, Forever MINE in the night"
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:30:05 -0800
From: Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFKW....
That's a fanfic just begging to be written. Too bad I don't have
time. Anybady care to volunteer?
--- Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......> wrote:
> I was browsing my email and just noticed a piece of
> spam that said 'Hypnotize anyone, dowload now!" I can
> just imagine Nat dowloading it just to see if it'd
> work on Nick....hm...I wonder if it'd be possible for
> a mortal to hypnotize a vamp or a vamp to hypnotize
> another (younger, of course) vamp....probably not.
>
> Mel
> NNPacker, KoC
> What time is it? what day is it? what century is it?
>
=====
Viv
Don't annoy the crazy person
Life's a witch and then you fly
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:32:35 +0100
From: Doris=20Weiss?= <dorisweiss_2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
--- Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
schrieb:
>
> Now the question. Nick was talking about not being
> able to relieve himself in plate armor in Dark
> Knight.
> But didn't knights still wear chain mail in his day?
I don't think that vamps do have to ...
But seriously: In 1228 they wouldn't have worn plate
armour. But then TV writers don't get their historical
facts right a lot of times. Just that very obvious
example of Nick asking a fav of Aristotle for the
Battle of Hastings which was in 1066 when Nick wasn't
even born.
Guess it was just good for the punchline.
Doris
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:34:11 -0800
From: Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?
--- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......> wrote:
> Getting rid of that would have made the show..... just stupid.
>
Exactly.
=====
Viv
Don't annoy the crazy person
Life's a witch and then you fly
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:21:45 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Re Ashes to Ashes question
--- Laren <galen1@i.......> wrote:
> - Vachon is not usually there, but Urs certainly is
> - Urs feels the need to 'explain things' very
> quickly eah, I'm in the LaCroix/Urs camp.
LaCroix and Urs may have been intimate, but I don't
think she was trying to assure him that she and Vachon
had not been being intimate because she was afraid LC
would be jealous. Vachon is Urs' sire. LaCroix of
all vampires would not question a sire's right's with
his children. The sense I always got from it is Urs
anxious to disabuse LC of the notion that they had
done something disrespectful, had presumed to use his
(a respected/feared elder's) private quarters as a
place to get busy. Even without the respect due
LaCroix as a powerful elder vampire, he is her boss,
and I get the feeling, something of a benefactor, and
I can easily understand her anxiety at the thought
that it she appeared to him less than respectful and
grateful.
=====
Laurie of the Isles
Laudon1228@y.......
UF, FKPagan, NigelBennett, FKSpiked, Rainbow-Knights
AIM: Laudon1965, ICQ: 173739497, MSNIM: Laudon1965, Yahoo: Laudon1228
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:25:06 -0500
From: Stephen Lansing <phoenix348@c.......>
Subject: How Would You Have Ended It?
Just curious here...
If you had been able to talk the Powers That Be into scrapping "Last Knight"
as it took place
in the real world, and they agreed to give you either a single, normal
episode, or a two-hour
"movie of the week" format for your substitute idea...
How would YOU have ended it?
Stephen Lansing
Phoenix348@c.......
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:39:51 -0800
From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
I would have had Nick find his mortality and maybe
marry Nat...but I guess I'm a sucker for happy
endings.
Mel
--- Stephen Lansing <phoenix348@c.......> wrote:
> Just curious here...
>
> If you had been able to talk the Powers That Be into
> scrapping "Last Knight"
> as it took place
> in the real world, and they agreed to give you
> either a single, normal
> episode, or a two-hour
> "movie of the week" format for your substitute
> idea...
>
> How would YOU have ended it?
>
> Stephen Lansing
> Phoenix348@c.......
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:58:00 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
> How would YOU have ended it?
I am not sure I would change the ending.
Changing the ending would be like changing the ending of The
Professional or the Director's Cut of BladeRunner or - heaven forbid -
HMS Ulysses.
If you look at all of Last Knight, I do think that they did a strong
job of story-telling to end it like they did - with only a couple of
episodes as "backing".
If I knew that the series was going to be ended and there was no
chance of revival with the original cast, I think all I would have
changed would be to have been to begin the death-spiral deeper in the
season, so that the last 4-5 episodes were nothing but a spiral into
Last Knight, with Nick and Natalie put under ever increasing pressure
until things came to a head in Last Knight.
I know - however - that I am a fan of arcs and serial story telling.
At the time of FK, story-arcs were just starting to become accepted
as a story-telling convention in night-time programs (aside such soap-
operas as Dallas or Knots Landing).
I like to think that if FK was done today - with the right people in
charge - it would be much different in that there would be a strong
sense of journey and evolulation - with a guiding vision behind it.
Tim
Tim Phillips
Systems Developer II
timp@d.......
"under the iron flail of the FlakPanzer" - UNDER THE YOKE by S.M. Stirling
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:19:05 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question
From Doris:
Just that very obvious
> example of Nick asking a fav of Aristotle for the
> Battle of Hastings which was in 1066 when Nick wasn't
> even born.
Was that supposed to be about the historical event? Gee, I always thought
it was referring to Ari's incredible crush on Agatha Christie, her
subsequent disappearance, the fact that Ari *wasn't* the basic for a
certain sidekick, and the lengths Nick had to go to cover it all up. ;-)
--
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky luckyliz@c.......
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz
Who is Will? And why is everyone firing at him?
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:33:12 EST
From: Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
Same here. We need more happy endings. JudyL
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:51:49 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
I wrote a story, which I don't think is archived anywhere and which I no longer
have, called Deuces Wild, or, To Have One's Cake and Eat It Too. If anyone has a
copy, I'd very much appreciate it. Without going into detail, since I'll
probably post it to Fkfic-l if I can get a copy, I managed to provide a happy
ending and satisfy proponents of both Janette and Nat. Note: this was in answer
to a question about how to end the series before we knew there was going to be a
third season.
As for season three, I'd love to find out that Nick was having a nightmare which
would end as Schanke stepped out of the souvlaki joint in which he was eating
supper while Nick waited in the car. <g>
This doesn't mean Vachon, Tracy, Urs and Reese never existed. Just that they had
been incorporated into the nightmare.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:05:55 EST
From: MRKKaye@a.......
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
In a message dated 3/10/2003 3:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:
> As for season three, I'd love to find out that Nick was having a nightmare
> which would end as Schanke stepped out of the souvlaki joint in which he
> was eating supper while Nick waited in the car. <g>
>
>
With the window open. The aroma of cooked meats and garlic from the souvlaki
joint were the cause of the nightmare.
Marla K.
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