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FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Mar 2003 (#2003-69)

Sun, 9 Mar 2003

There are 6 messages totalling 360 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. What was going to happen to Natalie? (2)
  2. Fwd: Re: Ashes to Ashes question
  3. Question of age
  4. Admin: Forkni-l Rules
  5. Re. Ashes to Ashes question

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Date:    Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:20:59 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?

> Also, without Natalie, were they planning on having another doctor to help
Nick find a cure?  Or were the writers just going to have quick,
metaphysical fixes for him to try every once in a while?
>  Patty

I don't know what they would have done to get rid of her. It may not have
gotten that far.  As for the search for a cure, they were going to lose that
angle completely.

As for other characters, just in case anyone doesn't know:  they also had
intentions for Nick and the neck of the week (no, I don't know how they
proposed to do that when he can't  bite without killing) and they were going
to have LC isolated at CERK. We would see him doing monologs but that was
all.  They were the ones who insisted on killing off Schanke. I don't know
why they couldn't just transfer him. There had been some talk of keeping him
and making him the new captain but John Kapelos didn't like the idea even if
they'd offered it to him. Personally I rather like it. Certainly the
dynamics would have been interesting.

Janette was going to be first reduced to a recurring character instead of a
regular. The union wouldn't allow that, even if Deborah Duchene had been
willing. She wasn't willing according to everything I've heard. Then USA
decided to get rid of the character because -- hold onto your hats -- she
wasn't sexy enough and they didn't think the character would work outside
the Raven. USA clearly thinks "sexy" has to mean "bleached blonde and
falling out of a bathing suit." <snort> As for the working outside the
Raven, they were ignoring all the flashbacks and Deb's considerable talent.

USA was behind the killing off of Capt. Cohen too. I don't know why.

As for why Vachon, Tracy and Urs (no offense to their factions, this is
simply history), USA didn't think the viewers they wanted (males 18-35 and
of course any females in demographic) would watch something with old
characters like Nick  and Nat. Old in this case seems to be defined as over
29. Notice that the trio could have been set up like the original
Nick-Nat-Janette thing, only with younger characters, once Vachon was added.

Why USA bought a show with an established audience which was largely female
and with a wider range of ages than that if what they wanted was a show that
would primarily pull in younger males, I do not know.  Stupidity is my
guess. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the established
audience might not hold still for the changes. I know I would have stopped
at the end of the 2nd season if they'd gotten rid of Nat.

McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
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Date:    Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:21:55 -0800
From:    Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Ashes to Ashes question

Drat. Didn't check the headers and sent this to Mary Lynn instead of the
list. Sorry about that, Mary.

> Mary Lynn asked about Divia :
>> why didn't she go  after Tracy when she saw her with Vachon? Why didn't
>> she go after Natalie?
>> Or was she just not interested in mortals.
>
> Most likely. From the little bit we heard her say about them in the tomb,
> she didn't think much more of mortals than as mobile fast food, fit to be
> served up in whatever way suited her taste at the time. I doubt the
> little time she had once she'd broken out would've been enough to change
> her opinion of them.
>
> Now, here's my Divia question. Most fanfic has a pre-vamp Divia as
> already nasty and evil. But was she really? Couldn't it have just been
> the sudden power and lack of authority that caused her to flip out?
> Lucius certainly seemed to have expected her to fly into his arms and
> shower him with kisses. I know the Egyptian (sorry, can't remember his
> name right now) sensed *potential* evil in her, but that can be said of
> most people and animals at a young age and I wonder, if part of the
> potential was because it was so opposite of what she was.
>



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Hugs and Kisses,
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Who is Will? And why is everyone firing at him?

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Date:    Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:27:44 -0800
From:    Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: Question of age

Given those reasons, the age would have been about twelve, like
it had been a thousand years earlier.
--- Paffoman <paffoman@c.......> wrote:
> I believe it's 16, when he's old enough to have sex and hold a
> sword.
>
> Cheryl Pillsbury
> Paffoman@c.......


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Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly


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Date:    Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:41:04 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Forkni-l Rules

Herewith the regular Sunday post of the rules for Forkni-l.

McLisa, not up to writing an intro because I had enough excitement chasing
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> Date:    Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:32:44 EST
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> Subject: Re: Poss FK alum?
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> Date:    Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:37:13 -0500
> From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
> Subject: ADMIN: I just sent out a new version of the rules
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> It's a snowbound morning in Indianapolis, so McLisa sat down at her computer
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Date:    Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:49:58 +0100
From:    Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y.......>
Subject: Re. Ashes to Ashes question

Hi there,

Someone, don't remember who, wrote that we don't know
if Divia was evilas a mortal.

If I remember correctly, Divia once says that the
'Healer' picked her for bringing across because her
evil was so 'pure' which means she was a nasty little
brat from the start.

Doris

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Date:    Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:17:13 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: What was going to happen to Natalie?

>As for the search for a cure, they were going to lose that
> angle completely.

Ok, maybe it's just me, but I thought the idea for a cure (ie to
become human again) was the entire point of the series!  It even says
so in the opening theme!
Getting rid of that would have made the show..... just stupid.

-Amanda

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