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FORKNI-L Digest - 18 Sep 2002 to 19 Sep 2002 - Special issue (#2002-277)

Thu, 19 Sep 2002

There are 23 messages totalling 1038 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Abbreviations and another thought (14)
  2. Chosing a faction (3)
  3. I'm Not That Ancient But...
  4. Another Ancient Speaks Up
  5. My introduction to Forever Knight (2)
  6. Human side of vampires
  7. I think I am not that Ancient, or am I?


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:04:17 -0700
From:    "jerezfino@y......." <jerezfino@y.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

--- Joseph LaCour <joelacour@c.......> wrote:
> BTW, does anyone remember the NBC series
> "Cliffhangers" with Michael Nouri playing
> Dracula?

Yep!  I was in 7th grade at the time and I remember
sitting in class and chatting incessantly with another
fan every week, the morning after an episode had
aired.  Although the Michael Nouri character was quite
different from the Nick Knight character, I agree that
he was portrayed with a bit of humanity which made the
character sympathetic (at least from my
perspective...I was cheering for Dracula in the end
and not for Van Helsing and co.!)

As for discovering FK, I, too, remember watching it as
part of the Crime Time After Primetime lineup.  I was
in graduate school at the time and routinely left the
TV on late at night while grading/writing papers.
Before long I discovered that I was actually watching
the show instead of working. The earliest episode that
I remember seeing was I Will Repay and it remains one
of my favorites. After Crime Time ended (or rather I
moved) it was a couple of years later before I saw the
series again. I had no idea at the time what had
happened to the show and that a second season was
airing.  One night--very late at night--I caught a
promo advertising a new episode of FK on a local DC
station.  I immediately commandeered the remote and
never looked back!

:) Boomer


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:24:32 -0600
From:    Stefanie <SlySpy@p.......>
Subject: Chosing a faction

Well I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've
finaly decided that I need to get out more.  So here's my first
post since May.

One such "getting out project" is my desire to find a faction.
Here's where you come in.  If you look at what little I've written
about myself and think, "My goodness, she is such a _____" tell
me.  Wanna ask a question that is sure to be telling of what
faction I am to belong to?  Do it.

So, I'm blond, maniacal, have terrible spelling, a craving for
just about anything with caffine in it (except coffee), enjoy
chaios and am as ambitious as you get.  I also have a great sence
of humor (which is needed in my life) and an affinity for cats.


How was my weekend?  Well, my best friend convinced her ex-
boyfriend's current girlfriend's little brother that she was cool
by eating a live cricket.  It went down hill from there.


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:58:25 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: I'm Not That Ancient But...

Hi Y'all!

I'm a lurker by nature but love reading (and writing) about how folks
found FK and our online family.

I, too, remember FK being part of the Crimetime after Primetime line-up
on CBS.  My first episode was For I Have Sinned.  I was channel surfing
and caught this absolutely gorgeous blonde actor fainting into a priest's
arms.  So I stopped surfing and watched with fascination. I was hooked.
Ger's performance as Nick was sooooo mesmerizing.  I started trying to
tape the show the next week.  Unfortunately, Wimbledon was going on and
CBS was showing highlights before the late night programming..  CBS
wasn't too kind about how long Wimbledon highlights ran so I ended
staying up very late several weeks in a row to be able to start the tape
when FK started.  I managed to get all of the eps except Cherry Blossoms
as they were rerun through the rest of the summer.   When FK moved I was
completely devastated as I lived outside of town and couldn't get cable!
A friend finally found someone who agreed to tape the eps for me.

Then, in July 1996, my house was burglarized and my modemless computer (
a truly ancient dinosaur of technology-less than 100MH processor!!! and
given to me by my brother-in-law) was stolen.  The first thing I bought
with the insurance money was a computer with a modem.  I could finally
get online! I found Mel's(THANKS Mel, I hope you're well!) archive, then
the fiction list and finally forkni-l.  I subscribed to forkni-l 3 weeks
before War 8.  I didn't have a klew what a war was but it sounded like
fun and I jumped in.  I've managed to play in every war since then.

I've met some truly wonderful folks through FK including Ger!  I've
watched the listmembers and the lists go through some tough times but the
great thing is we've done it TOGETHER as a family and I wouldn't trade a
minute of it!  A HUGE THANK YOU to Lisa and Don for their list managing
skills without whom we wouldn't be here.

eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List
She can be taught!  But only in little bytes!


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:06:21 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Chosing a faction

In a message dated 9/18/02 5:51:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
SlySpy@p....... writes:

<< So, I'm blond, maniacal, have terrible spelling, a craving for
 just about anything with caffine in it (except coffee), enjoy
 chaios and am as ambitious as you get.  I also have a great sence
 of humor (which is needed in my life) and an affinity for cats. >>
Sounds loik h'a Ratpackerish type ta me... Da ya loik wot ta put yar pearly
not-so-whites h'around choccy-lot or cheese?



Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:30:49 -0400
From:    Julie Skelly <ravenmerc@e.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Joseph LaCour wrote:

> I've never really forgiven CBS for cancelling Crimetime after Primetime for
> the David Letterman show.

Ditto.  I *still* refuse to watch Letterman. Ger-less & crimeless it's no fun
on CBS latenight. But it wasn't surprising.  Police dramas were on the 'outs'
at that point in time and everything was gearing towards poorly written sitcoms
and lame talk shows.  Letterman survived by being less lame than most.

> I won't talk about the 3rd season.

And I don't acknowledge it.  I own a condo on the River Denial. :)  But I'll
talk season 2 all you want. :0

> BTW, does anyone remember the NBC series "Cliffhangers" with Michael Nouri
> playing Dracula?  I think that may have been the first vampire show to show
> vampires having a "human" side.

Oh dear.  Now I feel ancient.  Yes, I remember that show (which the other 2/3
were "Stop Susan Williams" & a remake of the Gene Autry serial, 'The Phantom
Empire.")  I'm gonna have to disagree.  The original Dark Shadows did a good
job at making Barnabas an extremely sympathetic character.  Which puts it,
coming in in 1966, the first.

I was very fond of Nouri's 'Dracula' as well as that year's (1979, for you
young ones) theatrical Dracula release with Frank Langella.   I found Van
Helsing to be annoying and Harker to be an absolute putz.  But Langella was
scrumptious (ah, yes, the first shirt open to the bellybutton male
vamp...*sigh*) and somewhat human in many of his emotions. Well, he was a
manuliptative so-and-so as well, but then so is LC, and that doesn't seem to
stop his popularity, does it?  ;)

I think that all three of these we have to thank for paving the way for FK to
come about.  Without these shows and movie going against type by making the
'evil monster' sympathetic to the audiences, the odds of us having FK would be
dramatically reduced.  Dark Shadows got a vamp initially as a ratings booster.
They intended to drop the story line after a couple of weeks.  They just needed
something to get folks to watch their relatively new soap, that was coming
close to being axed.  So some bright person pitched using a vampire.  They
threw it in and then they got a big surprise...people liked it.  A *lot*.  So
instead of killing off their vampire, he instead got a backstory and a more
human side.  He wasn't just this evil bloodsucking thing that kidnapped one of
the heroines, he was a tortured being, who was cursed to his current existence
and lost his ladylove.  Oooo...pathos. ;)  From there, they hit just about
every movie and book monster, and managed to humanize all of them.  Eventually
it ran out of steam and vanished.

It took about 8 years for something similar to come up, namely the above
Dracula renditions which were literally months apart. (If I recall, the movie
debuted in the late spring and the show was in fall.) Again, they tried to make
the vampires more human and less monster.  Unfortunately, only one did well
with the public.  The Nouri version suffered not from writing or acting
problems, but from the fact that the other two serials it was sharing the hour
with were...horrible.  Absolutely atrocious.  Unfortunately, bad sticks
sometimes, which is probably why it took another 10 years for the Nick Knight
pilot. And that it *was* an unsold pilot, rather than a series premier.  It did
pretty good, but it still took a few more years to get CBS to take it as a
series, but I doubt that they would have taken that chance if not for the
previous successes.

So, let us drink a toast to FK's forefathers.  Thanks for the hard work and the
opportunity for our favorite show.   *clink*

::re-engage lurk mode::

Moldy-oldie, fuddy-duddy <g>


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:44:27 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Joe wrote:

<snip>I've never really forgiven CBS for cancelling Crimetime after
Primetime for the David Letterman show.  <snip>

Same here! I didn't watch Letterman until FK started syndication of
season 2 because I blamed the network switch for dooming 'Crimetime.'
Boo Hiss, CBS!

I stumbled across the first rerun of 'Dark Knight' while flipping
channels one Tuesday night, airing at 11:35 on WRAL channel 5 in the
Raleigh-Durham area. The timing stays fresh in my memory because I'd
just turned 21, had adopted my first cat (Vivian Carmencita), and had
moved into my first apartment in Chapel Hill, all mental milestones. I
came in on DK after the opening credits, during the museum crime scene
with Schanke's 'salsa picante' comment, so I hadn't any warning Nick
was a vampire. No, I thought I'd come across an interesting detective
show, period. Imagine how mindblown I was during the DK scene where
Nick returns to his loft and proceeds to drink blood from a jade cup
identical to the one they'd been talking about! That surprise moment
had me hooked.

I began lurking on the lists when 'Baby, Baby' first aired, but I
didn't post until after 'Last Knight.' Little did I know that all the
round robin storywriting my friends and I had used to get through
boring classes in the 80s would actually mirror my participation in FK

<snip>BTW, does anyone remember the NBC series "Cliffhangers" with Michael Nouri
playing Dracula?  I think that may have been the first vampire show to show
vampires having a "human" side.<snip>

I do! I think I was 6 or 7, and the local NBC channel was UHF, so when
I saw the show, it was through a heap o' static. I vaguely remember a
storyline with cowboys and giant spiders from 'Cliffhangers' too. Most
of that show went over my head, though. At that age, I was watching TV
at a 'Laverne & Shirley' level of comprehension. :D


Bonnie Rutledge<----------------------------Omnifemale Llama!
llamababe@c....... ..... I Support 'Save the Music'
      Because Music Is Part Of A Complete Education


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:36:28 -0400
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

This is basically my story, except I found the series by pure chance --
scanning through the channels late one night, and *something* about what
caught my eye seemed familiar....Plus, the blond guy was kind of cute... "g"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dianne Bugg" <ladylc@s.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

> Well, I saw the original movie with Rick Springfield in 1989 and was
> devastated that it wasn't going to be a series.  Imagine my surprise and
> delight when I was watching the new series Crimetime after Primetime on CBS
> in 1992 and discovered a show that looked hauntingly familiar.  I think it
> took the first 15 minutes of the show for me to figure out where it was I'd
> seen the show before since I KNEW the actors were unfamiliar.  From that
> moment, I was hooked.  I followed it from time slot to time slot and finally
> from channel to channel.  I didn't discover the online fan club until after
> it went out of production but I've been here ever since.
> Dianne Bugg


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:01:55 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

>  Carla Martinek wrote:
> I can't be the only one here....

I'm sorta in that class---I remember seeing it once or twice on Crimetime After
Primetime, but it didn't really make an impact on me for some reason.

Then a coworker started telling me about it. I remember laughing about the
premise (that must be a universal reaction!) but I watched it anyway. I don't
remember which third season ep it was, but I fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
I had just gotten on the Internet and so I searched and found Susan Garrett's
fan fiction (I didn't know people wrote fan fiction! I was amazed!), and then I
found the FKfanfic site, and I was a goner.

I wrote my first story (as a birthday present for Susan Garrett) while I was
dog-sitting for a friend. There I was, sitting in a strange house with Elvis the
Hound Dog at my feet, banging out "Suburban Life" on my friend's PC. I had to
wait until I got home to my own computer to post it to FKFIC with shaking
hands...but Susan was immensely kind and encouraging, and I kept
writing---hopefully getting better as I went along.

What did FK do to my life? I've met all sorts of great people online, eventually
meeting them in Real Life. That's the best thing! Add to that learning about
Canada, and visiting that lovely country numerous times, making all my computer
passwords are some variation on FK character names or the memorable "1228" (I
wonder how many PIN numbers in the country are those four numbers? <g>),
contributing to charity in the form of attending two Gertherings, four LCAs, and
publishing two charity fanzines...those are the highlights. Things are quieter
now than in the Glory Days, but I'm still coming up with story premises, and
I've recently brought across an editor I work with occasionally---I'm in the
process of duping the first season for her. I'm looking forward to long email
conversations with her as she watches all those episodes!

Nancy Kaminski


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:12:26 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Here goes mine:

I was not yet a fan during Crimetime after Primetime, although funny enough,
my mother was. She works nights, and the show came on here right around the
time she was getting ready for work. It was the perfect show for her,
really: she likes mysteries, forensics, cop shows, and vampires.

I'd like to say I remember my first episode, but unfortunately, I don't. The
very episode of Forever Knight that I watched was not memorable, by which I
mean that I don't remember it very well. ;) I was in high school, and a
bunch of us girls were staying over at a friend's for the weekend. We'd all
brought television shows starring actors we were infatuated with (I believe
mine was Dean Cain in Lois and Clark) and stayed up all night extolling the
virtues of our personal favourites. At about four in the morning, one of my
friends popped in a Forever Knight tape. The show was in its third season at
the time, and she and another friend were hooked in a major way. I'd never
seen it, and was mildly interested, but I was coming down off a sixteen-hour
sugar high, so I was burrowed into the couch, dozing. At one point I
actually asked "Which one is Tracy and which one is Natalie again?" (And at
the time I wondered why they gave me those looks...)

Then, all of a sudden, I felt something pierce my ankle. (This was right at
the point that Nick was sinking his fangs into some tasty blonde or other.)
I screamed, and my friends screamed, and I screamed some more. I was
definitely fully awake by this point. When I finally calmed down enough to
examine my leg, there were two shallow puncture marks on my ankle, welling

"Oh, I should have warned you," our hostess remarked, laughing. "That's

Blank stare from yours truly.

"The couch. It has some springs poking through on the end there. We call him
Nick because... he bites. Just like--" She pointed to the screen. Everyone

Well, I couldn't possibly sleep after that, so a few dabs of peroxide and
two tiny Band-Aids later, I was back on the couch, admiring GWD with my

The show ended not long after that, and my two girlfriends who had been fans
lost interest and taped over their tapes before I got a chance to see more
than a few scattered episodes. (They also refused to tell me how it ended,
which meant I got quite a surprise later on!)

Then, a couple of years back, I discovered that Showcase was replaying the
series during the day. Once I saw the early episodes, I was hooked. When my
mother found out I was taping the show, she told me she used to watch it
during its CBS days and had even mentioned it to me, thinking it was
something I'd like! (Boy, do I not remember that conversation. I'm pretty
sure I, too, would have giggled at the mention of a vampire cop.) She and I
now indulge in the occasional FK marathon on her nights off.

Not long after rediscovering the show, I was able to find and read fanfic,
and eventually sneak onto this list. :)

The FK fans I've met through here have all been wonderful so far, and I look
forward to meeting more of you someday. </warm fuzzies>

All the muse that's fit to print!


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:39:53 -0500
From:    Carla Martinek <copper@m.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Joseph LaCour wrote:

>BTW, does anyone remember the NBC series "Cliffhangers" with Michael Nouri
>playing Dracula?  I think that may have been the first vampire show to show
>vampires having a "human" side.
Oh, yes!!!!  It had a very short run, but I remember that show very
well.   Susan Anton was the female lead, btw.  To keep this FK-related,
it's probably what got me hooked on vampires in the first place, and
hence my undying fascination with FK when it came along.



Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:33:15 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Chosing a faction

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:24:32 -0600 Stefanie <SlySpy@p.......> wrote:
(slightly snipped by McLisa>

> enjoy chaios and am >as ambitious as you get.  >I also have a great
>sence of humor (which is >needed in my life) and >an affinity for cats.

Cousin, definitely a Cousin! We've even had cats as members.

Cousin McLisa
"That will be trouble."


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:52:52 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Carla wrote:

> Oh, yes!!!!  It had a very short run, but I remember that show very
> well.   Susan Anton was the female lead, btw.  To keep this FK-related,
> it's probably what got me hooked on vampires in the first place, and
> hence my undying fascination with FK when it came along.

I'm curious---am I the only person on list who isn't the
least bit interested in vampires, but still loves FK? To
me, the vampire stuff is merely a means to an end---it's
the battle of good vs. evil, and the ongoing struggles
of Nick Knight, the tragic hero, that interests me. And,
of course, watching Ger act didn't hurt, either. <g>

Nancy Kaminski


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:12:16 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Nancy wrote:

> I'm curious---am I the only person on list who isn't
> <snip> interested in vampires, but still loves FK?

Nope, you're not alone, I've never been a big vampire fan--With the
exception of an addiction to Dark Shadows that I shared with just about
everyone in my college dorm! (Yes, Dark Shadows, first run.)

> me, the vampire stuff is merely a means to an end---it's
> the battle of good vs. evil, and the ongoing struggles
> of Nick Knight, the tragic hero, that interests me. And,
> of course, watching Ger act didn't hurt, either. <g>

I don't know if I would have gotten hooked on FK if the casting had not been
so very good.



Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:29:16 -0400
From:    Dianne Bugg <ladylc@s.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Actually, I'm pretty much the same way.  I've had a small fascination with
the vampire myth but I'm totally grossed out by movies like Blade, etc.
Dark Shadows was a favourite show when I was younger but it, like FK, didn't
romanticize the killing aspect of it.  The vampire hero(?) was trapped in
his existence and wanted to be human again.  He fought the same battle as
Nick, in a campy sort of way.   Looking at the shows today, I find myself
laughing at the melodrama but as a kid I raced home every day to watch it.
Dracula and all the movies built around him are not my cup of tea.

Dianne Bugg

>I'm curious---am I the only person on list who isn't the
>least bit interested in vampires, but still loves FK? To
>me, the vampire stuff is merely a means to an end---it's
>the battle of good vs. evil, and the ongoing struggles
>of Nick Knight, the tragic hero, that interests me. And,
>of course, watching Ger act didn't hurt, either. <g>

>Nancy Kaminski


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:43:37 EDT
From:    Becky Hinson <bbhinson3@a.......>
Subject: Re: Another Ancient Speaks Up

In a message dated 9/18/02 3:56:46 PM Central Daylight Time, McLisa says:

> I was introduced to FK when it was in reruns after the first half of the
> first
> season on Crime Time After Prime Time. My best friend since Junior High
> (this

I remember first watching FK when it was on CTaPT.  I must have been 12 or
so?  Gosh...  I *was* in Junior High at that point.  =oO

> I must admit that my first reaction was "a homicide detective who's a
> what????" followed by laughter. Still, we have very similar tastes and she

I think I saw bits and pieces of Dying for Fame...  I don't remember though!
LOL  It wasn't the first one I saw, so I guess that's why I don't remember
much about it.  I was seriously into vampires at the time, and that's what
got me hooked.  Although, one must admit that seeing Ger helped a bit...  ;o)

> My first episode was Only the Lonely. My fate was sealed.
And that makes two of us!  LOL  That was the first episode that I actually
sat down and watched the entire thing  I loved Ger's line, in response to
Natalie's "What are you?" -- "You don't need to know."

And then we saw LC in a later ep....  *sigh drool sigh*  And a Cousin was

:o)  Going back to lurking now...
~Cousin Becky

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
                                                          --S. Holmes

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
                                                           --S. Holmes


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:53:42 -0700
From:    Ithildin <ithildin@o.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

At 11:29 AM 9/19/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'm curious---am I the only person on list who isn't the
> >least bit interested in vampires, but still loves FK?

Other than old Dracula movies, I was never really into vampire stuff. But
I've always loved dark, angsty stuff, so I guess FK was a natural (I first
read Jane Eyre when I was 7 and it warped me <g>)

Since FK, I've really gotten into the Anita Blake book series, but the
vampire genre is still the exception  pretty much.

On the history side, I knew about FK, but didn't see it on CBS -- I was
working graveyard shifts then. I came across it in second season when I had
pneumonia and was up at 2am flipping channels. It was halfway through
"Close Call". In late 95 I got a computer and the first email list I joined

Denise * ithildin@o.......* Ith
The Dragon's Muse:


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:34:56 -0600
From:    "Bryant, Heather" <Heather.Bryant@m.......>
Subject: My introduction to Forever Knight

My tale isn't as interesting as a lot of the other stories, but here goes.
I was in college starting in 1995, and I was up late one night (studying, of
course! <eg>), during the spring of that year.  I think it was around 2am on
Saturday night, but I can't remember for sure.  I don't remember which
episode I saw first, but during this time I was only able to catch two or
three of the third season episodes.

I do remember one thing VERY clearly... falling madly in love with General
Lucius LaCroix as I watched Ashes to Ashes one late night in my dorm.
Oooooohhhh do I love them sexy and evil.  And sexy and evil and being
tortured and in need of help is even better.  It was that night when I
became a deeply devoted Cousin, even though I didn't know what that was yet.

That spring was my first introduction to the internet as well (which I guess
in relative terms makes me an ancient, six and a half years on the internet
is a LONG time).  I started looking up info on the show and joined FORKNI-L
for a little while.    Unfortunately, the list was incredibly active at that
time and I didn't have the time to read all of the messages, so I
unsubscribed.  The show wasn't on TV anymore, and I was busy with school, so
it kind of went out of my mind.

Present day: I was perusing the Sci-Fi channel site a few months ago to look
something up about Stargate, or The Dead Zone, I don't remember which.  I
looked at the daily line-up and to my shock and very pleasant surprise, saw
that they had Forever Knight listed.  I found out that they were playing all
of them, and I set the tape the next day to begin taping them.  I didn't
realize they were starting the series over again soon, I didn't realize
anything except I wanted to see as many as I possibly could before they
stopped showing them and it was another six years before I could watch them

I set the tape... I put the tape in my VCR that night... I got all settled
in for an evening with the Knight....... and watched in horror as Nick
accidentally killed Natalie instead of bringing her across and LaCroix
staked his favorite son (okay, not really, because I am in DENIAL, and it's
a nice place to be).  AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!  The next day I read the episode guide
and realized I had seen Last Knight, which was rather ironic to me.
Fortunately, I had set the tape that day anyway, and began taping from the
beginning. *whew*

This is so much fun being back in this group and watching one of my favorite
shows for the first time all over again.  Ashes to Ashes is still my
favorite episode, and probably always will be.

The vampire genre had never before really caught me up in it.  However, I
was a devoted Highlander fan, so I have always had an affinity for
"Immortals" of all kinds.  Now, however, I'm watching everything about
vampires that I can get my hands on.  Of all the vampire storylines and
universes, I like FK vampires the best.  Especially my beloved Uncle.

Cousin Heather
(with Knightie tendencies)


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:57:26 -0700
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: My introduction to Forever Knight

Here's mine:

I remember seeing NICK KNIGHT with Rick Springfield
back in 1989 when it was first aired as a TV movie of
the week.  I like the whole idea, but personally, Rick
Springfield did nothing for me, so I watched it,
enjoyed it, and promptly forgot it.  (Although, living
in Hollywood, I found the idea of a slaughterhouse
operating on Hollywood Blvd. very funny, especially
after having lived behind a slaughterhouse at one
point in my life before moving to L.A.)  Then, I heard
about the series on CBS and said to myself, "That
sounds like that Rick Springfield movie from a few
years ago", and didn't watch it.  At that time, I
didn't know it was Ger.

Then in 1994-1995 (during the second season) I
attended a DOCTOR WHO convention.  Nigel Bennett was
one of the other guests.  He was on stage just before
Peter Davison (the reason I went to the Con), so I
went in an hour early and sat down so I would have a
good seat.  I never even heard of Nigel Bennett before
that.  But, when he started talking about FOREVER
KNIGHT, it sounded so interesting that I decided to
check it out.

When I got home, I checked the TV guide for FOREVER
KNIGHT.  The first episode I saw was "Queen of Harps"
and I was instantly hooked.  And I kicked myself for
not watching it from the beginning.

BTW, I consider myself a Dark Knightie first, but also
a Nick & Nat Packer, Caddy Whack, and Cousin of the
Knight.  I should just face it, I'm a all-around
FOREVER KNIGHT Die Hard to the end!

Knight Ranger

e-mail:  KnightRanger1228@y.......  - or -  KnightRanger4ver@y.......
Geraint Wyn Davies Fan for Life!  (GWDFC/GWDN)
Dark Knightie/Nick & Nat Packer/Caddy Whack/FOREVER KNIGHT Die Hard
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"We Are The Lemmings And We're Proud!"


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:10:14 -0700
From:    Lady Ariake <lady_ariake@y.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

--- Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......> wrote:
> I'm curious---am I the only person on list who isn't the
> least bit interested in vampires, but still loves FK?

I think you'd be my polar opposite, then.  I got
"into" FK (as much as I'm into any vampire thing,
VTM/VTDA excepted) mostly because a friend used the FK
characters in an online RP we were doing and I got
curious, so I looked at the fan fiction.  I decided I
liked the fan fic.  It took me months to actually
manage to find episodes of the show to watch.
Honestly, if the characters weren't vampires, I'd have
been out of there in five minutes.  I tend to watch
vampire stuff out of professional curiousity more than
anything, to see what's been out there before and what
I might want to do or not do myself.  It isn't nearly
as bad as, say, Kindred: The Embraced (which gives new
meaning to the word schlock, though I may be
exceptionally hostile towards KTE because it
completely trashed a premise I actually enjoy) but
it's also, (please don't hit me) not a very
interesting cop show in that respect and Nick is the
sort of vampire I hate the most--he belongs to the
Barnabas/Angel/Louis school of whining, the vampires
whom I could cheerfully stake out for the sun without
a moment's thought.  If it's THAT bad, put yourself
and the rest of us out of your misery, if it's not,
shut up and stop complaining.  I mean, a little angst
now and again is one thing, but sheesh, get over

So why do I stay, you asked?  Besides that the fan fic
is often better than the show itself, not that that's
a phenomenon unique to FK *cough*XFiles*cough*, FK has
LaCroix.  What's NOT to like about the guy?  Besides
the sexy voice and the wardrobe, he's just...*sigh*
And even when he does indulge in a bit of angst (Ashes
to Ashes) it's not much or for too long.  As long as
La Croix's in it, who cares about the rest of plot?

*drifts off dreamily for a minute*

Oh, yeah, I was saying something, wasn't I?

And I'll mention the fan fic again.  It's very few
universes where I'll often have fanon/canon issues,
but there are some FK stories that are so good and I
liked so much, at times they get very jumbled with
"canon" in my head.  I like some characters, like
Tracy, so much more in fan fic than I do in the show.
Some characters were actually a letdown when I saw the
episodes for real, because fan fics had given me such
high expectations.

Jennifer (don't hit me!)

"May your evening NOT be filled with the screams of the damned as their souls
writhe in eternal torment and the possessed feast on the blood of the



Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:22:53 -0700
From:    Lady hawke <darkknightie@y.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

Lurking mode off

I'd never heard of the crime time shows on CBS because
my local CBS station always airs reruns of shows in
that time slot.

I heard about FK from a fellow graduate student.  He
told me about the show when he found out about my love
and fasination for vampires, etc.  I came in at the
very beginning of the 2nd season and from the first
show I watched -- I was hooked. The local station
aired it at 1 a.m on thursdays so I would set my vcr
and my alarm.


Lurking mode on


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:44:31 +0000
From:    barbara hogue <bmbaka@h.......>
Subject: Human side of vampires

Greetings all,
Concerning the "human side" of vampires and TV shows.  I think the first
show was "Dark Shadows".  Who could not feel sad for Barnabas and the life
he could of had--remember he was cursed, he did not choose to be a vampire.
I see fanged people,


Date:    Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:50:08 -0300
From:    "I. M. Mueller" <marianne@g.......>
Subject: I think I am not that Ancient, or am I?

Hi All,

Lately I am mostly a lurker due because I have to draw a lot on diverse
fandoms and for zines and novels as well, beside my RL drawings and
paintings and other works. Occacionally I write, but I looooove to read
fanfic, at least one story each day I just MUST read one or I feel
withdrawal. LOL... [thatīs also reason for my lack of time.]

Well, I came online in 1995 and fell over the word fanfic the first night I
was online, I was looking for Stat Trek things related and occacionally I
saw that word Fanfic in some parts. I remember thinking by myself, what the
heck is fanfic??? And began to read, and read, and read , and I am still
reading. First they were TOS stories then TNG and so on, and then I found in
the wee bit of the first night online KSN-Nichols Fanfic on the Net sight,
and just loook there. There were all those other shows I loved to see and a
lot I never heard about,... and sure FK too was there, which i was hooked to
since the first episode I saw too.

In Brazil, where I live I must say there are NO TV-Schedules Magazines like
I was used to in Switzerland, so you can miss a lot if you donīt see per
chance a ad about a movie or show while watching TV... There was only a
schedule sometimes in the papers, but, really it was not very accurate as
well, as almost never did they show what was there on TV in fact... that is
better now as almost all channels are now online as well, and they saw it
fine to put a programm now there. Just remember to put the channel a bit
sooner on so you do not miss something,... british schedule do they NOT have
Well, as I was saying I saw per chance the ad for this new show called
Forever Knight [Maldiįão Eterna (Eternal Curse)] as it is called here and
was hooked just by that ad and very intrigued just by the thought of a
Vampire Cop and sure that handsome cop was also a sight to take me over to
see this show. I couldnīt wait for it to begin. It had about three reruns on
open channels, but what the heck only the first season. Until now I only saw
the first season, and sooooo many years have past since the first time I saw
it. Grumple.

It is on cable,... but ,... I do not have cable, sniffy, really sniffy. I
have the first season on tape, but that is all...
So, I am very greatful to fanfic as at least there I can get my share of it
and a lot of other fandoms. Until now the only shows they showed all seasons
of the newer ones is The X-Files and Star Trek: The Classic Series. The rest
if you are lucky the first season or Pretender the thrid as well... [that in
the open channels].

Then when online I stumbled over the word Mailing List too when I read the
fanfics, and sure i went immediately to get subscribed when i found out what
THAT was. LOL... I subscribed to forkni-l and some other FK-Related MLs but
also on many other fandoms. It sounded like fun and I jumped in on several
of them. What can I say, I am hooked, and I met so many wonderful people
online that I amstill hooed and as I said I stambled over Fanfic on my first
day oline...

marianne:)the insomniac

http://immueller.ch.vu  - My Art and such RL
http://www.cybcity.com/dragonheart - Drawings Elvis
http://honeylips.iwarp.com - Drawings Multi Fandom
http://shymoon.iwarp.com - My fanfic
http://members.fortunecity.com/shymoon -Other Fandoms


Date:    Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:41:46 -0700
From:    Aura Thundera <deonii@y.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations and another thought

I can't top most of the other stories, but here goes

I did not see Forever Knight during its first run at
all, as I was considered too young to stay up that
late back in those days.  I didn't encounter Forever
Knight until it came on the Sci-Fi channel, and I was
in ninth grade by then.

I used to be a big seaQuest fan.  When it came on the
Sci-Fi channel at 8 PM, I was thrilled and returned to
watching it faithfully.  For those who don't remember,
the end credits of seaQuest used to have Bob Ballard
talking about scientific principles of submarines.
For some reason, I decided to listen to Bob Ballard
(this was before the days of end-credit-squishing).
And then after that, Forever Knight came on.  The
episode was Blind Faith, and man was that blond guy
cute!  I investigated the fanfic a bit and wanted to
watch more.

I'd like to say that that was the end of the story and
I was subsequently hooked.  But it didn't quite go
that way.  You see, that year was also the year of the
Nagano Olympics, which usually came on at about the
same time as FK.  So of course my family didn't let me
watch more, and over the course of those ill-timed
Olympic games, I lost interest and drifted away.

I wandered through the rest of high school without
really thinking of FK at all.  This year, I went to
college and started watching more TV again.  In May,
when I was watching TV after my History of European
Civilization class, I was flicking around, and caught
sight of Nick's gorgeous blond cuteness again.  And I
was hooked again, and now I've seen all of the

Aura Thundera


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