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FORKNI-L Digest - 18 Aug 2002 to 19 Aug 2002 (#2002-246)

Mon, 19 Aug 2002

There are 10 messages totalling 353 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. fkvamps physical changes (6)
  2. Blood in the Stomach/Blood wine
  3. Who's to Blame in LYtD?
  4. ADMIN: Ruletime Ruletime
  5. <No subject given>

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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:41:09 -0500
From:    monica rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: fkvamps physical changes

With all the talk of FK vamps' digestive systems, I had a thought.
Considering all the changes that vamps undergo when brought across, would you
think that it would actually take longer for the changes to happen?  I'm
thinking that such fundamental physical changes might actually be a more
gradual process, so that once a person is brought across, perhaps it would
actually take days, or longer, before they are fully a vampire.  I'm trying to
remember if Anne Rice vampires went through a longer process, but I think even
then it was perhaps over the course of a night.  But FK vamps seem to wake up,
sometimes rather soon, and completely have changed.  If one were to try to
present a more "realistic" conversion process, perhaps it would be more drawn
out.
Of course, that's not necessarily what FK was always after ;-).

monica
always luscious lucius lover

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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:33:50 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: fkvamps physical changes

That's an interesting thought.  It may depend on whether they were actually
brought across or accidentally infected with several drops of vampire blood.
Sorry, I can't remember the teenage character's name from the wrestling ep
offhand, but he didn't become a vampire.  Yet we saw many small changes happening
to him as a result of being exposed to vampire blood.  It's possible that if he'd
been exposed to more of Nick's blood, he would eventually have been inadvertently
brought across.  Who knows?

The fact that he wasn't brought across leads me to believe that perhaps FK
fledglings could be "cured", if such a treatment was available and they were
treated immediately upon exposure of vampire blood.  Definitely food for thought.

--- monica rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......> wrote:
> I'm thinking that such fundamental physical changes might actually be a more
> gradual process, so that once a person is brought across, perhaps it would
> actually take days, or longer, before they are fully a vampire.

=====
Emily M. Hanson
Homepage - http://www.starbase-eprime.us
My Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.us

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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:09:28 -0500
From:    DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: fkvamps physical changes

> thinking that such fundamental physical changes might actually be a more
> gradual process, so that once a person is brought across, perhaps it would
> actually take days, or longer, before they are fully a vampire.

I got the impression from different episodes that when frist brought
across, the person sleeps, possibally into a coma.
This makes sence if the "vampire vrius" needs to re-write the body's systems

But this morphing prossess would take days or weeks (if not longer)
Even if it was done by some medicial magic we don't understand
(Mabye vampire stem sells that spred new genitic information)
This would need more then a few hours

Along another line
I keep hearing people refer to (vampires zombies . . . ECT) as the living
dead
But "Dead" does not apply.  The fact they can become sick  (The aids
episode)
The fact they can starve from lack of blood/feeding
The fact they can melt in the sun or be staked . . . means they can't be,
what we understand as dead

So their not dead, but not alive.  Do we need to invent a new term?
Maybe in this Politically Correct world they'd be called  "Differntally
alive"
But PC terms piss me off

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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:46:57 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: fkvamps physical changes

> DPHEIL wrote:

> But this morphing prossess would take days or weeks (if not longer)
> Even if it was done by some medicial magic we don't understand
> (Mabye vampire stem sells that spred new genitic information)
> This would need more then a few hours

According to Nick there's more than the scientific element involved in becoming
a vampire---there's the mystical, metaphysical element. One could argue that
this enables a person to become a vampire in the hours he or she sleeps after
being bitten.

> Along another line
> I keep hearing people refer to (vampires zombies . . . ECT)
> as the living dead But "Dead" does not apply.  The fact they can become sick
>(The aids

They're generally referred to as the "undead," that is, something not alive and
yet not dead. That seems to fit our FK vamps quite well.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:10:50 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: fkvamps physical changes

At 06:33 PM 8/18/2002 -0700, Emily Hanson wrote:

>[In "Fallen Idol"] we saw many small changes happening to [Joey] as a result of
>being exposed to vampire blood.  It's possible that if he'd been exposed to
>more of Nick's blood, he would eventually have been inadvertently brought
>across.  Who knows?

I think the idea is that one must be nearly drained of all human blood for
the vampirical infective agent to work. In short, the "extra" genetic code
Nat finds in Nick's blood is the result of a sort of infective mutagenic
agent ("germ"). The human immune system is able to fight off small
quantities of this "germ" through an agent either manufactured in its own
blood or transported by human blood -- but when the circulatory system is
compromised, either by low amounts of antiinfective agent due to low blood
levels or by insufficiently rapid flow of antiinfectivce agent to the site
of infection (again due to low blood levels), the infective agent rapidly
takes over, multiplies, inserts itself into every cell, and causes the
broad scale mutations that cause "conversion" into a vampire.

In the case where there is sufficient infective agent to begin mutation but
an antiinfective agent (such as holy water) is applied in time, the
patient/victim is brought to a semivampiric state (sensitive to bright
sunlight, but otherwise able to tolerate alcohol and probably a
mostly-normal human diet) known as a "hunter" state.

>The fact that he wasn't brought across leads me to believe that perhaps FK
>fledglings could be "cured", if such a treatment was available and they
>were treated
>immediately upon exposure of vampire blood.  Definitely food for thought.

Once the mutagenic agent has completed its primary infective work, no.
While the agent is still in the process of infecting the patient, only
partially (see above; ref: Liam O'Neal in "Bad Blood").


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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:29:16 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Blood in the Stomach/Blood wine

>"For the Blood is the Life..." (we just don't know how) :)
I always figured that the blood was absorbed directly from the stomach into the
blood, then metabolized by the cells themselves, like our cells use Oxygen
and... dang, I can't remember.  What's that body-energy-it-comes-from-sugars
thing?  Three capital letters?  It's been too long since I took biology.
                     -Megan


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


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Date:    Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:11:41 EDT
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: Re: Who's to Blame in LYtD?

Debbie wrote:

>  Ballet dancers etc  back then  had a reputation for being
>  promiscuous.

I've been biting my tongue during this entire thread, but I'd like to amplify
somewhat on Debbie's comment.

Several great ballerinas were the mistresses of tsars, kings, emperors,
aristocracy. They were decorative, after all <g>.

I think it's hard for us nowadays to fully understand what the social status
of actresses and ballerinas was in the 19th century, but there was a
complicit understanding among all the parties involved. This was a social
class in which divorce was impossible, and marriages were made for political,
economic, and dynastic reasons, not "for love."

It's why this is my absolutely least-favorite FK ep. My answer to the subject
line is: "The WRITERS!!!!!" <weg>

Best,
Julia K.
jkocich@a.......
AIM: jkocich
MSN: jkocich@y.......

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Date:    Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:13:38 -0400
From:    Don Fasig <argent@c.......>
Subject: ADMIN: Ruletime Ruletime

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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:22:24 -0700
From:    lisa wright <llwright@y.......>
Subject: <No subject given>

Megan wrote:
 What's that
body-energy-it-comes-from-sugars thing?  Three capital
letters?  It's been too long
since I took biology.

You must be talking about the Kreb Cycle inwhich
glucose is turned into CO2 and H2O releaseing energy
along the way.  The released energy is trapped for
utilization by the body by a compound called
ATP-Adenosine Triphosphate.
Lisa

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Date:    Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:15:01 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: fkvamps physical changes

 From: "DPHEIL" <dpheil@a.......>

> But this morphing prossess would take days or weeks (if not longer)

This could actually make sense, considering that in at
least one episode we see in the flashback Nick
expressing a sense of feeling not right about feeding,
and LaCroix assuming it was a physical thing, and
telling Nicholas he would adjust in time, and soon
feeding would feel natural.

Laurie of the Isles
"All the way from North Korea,
for the sixth hit week, here he is
folks: Five O'clock Charlie, his
airplane, and his astigmatism!"

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