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FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Jul 2002 to 25 Jul 2002 (#2002-219)
Thu, 25 Jul 2002
There are 26 messages totalling 781 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. YKYBOWFKW... (10)
2. CEOs who mess with Uncle's investments
3. Uncle in the real estate market?
4. seeking a member
5. feeling stupid (5)
6. looking for ...
7. episode
8. Nick's Using My Email Address
9. I'm not getting any messages
10. A difference in their ages
11. First FKfic story posted (3)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:17:32 -0700
From: Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
> when the New World was discovered, he
> probably saw it as a golden opportunity to amass
> property.
Suddenly wondering exactly how much of the U.S. Uncle would own . . .and
getting a vision of him owning at least half of it . . .
Cousin Nathalie
kleinemaus@c.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:50:35 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: CEOs who mess with Uncle's investments
Tim wrote:The CEO would just "disappear during his nightly walk".
>As was once stated about someone else "I don't now what he has
>planned for you. But, I'm sure it will be very inventive, very
>painful and very permanent".
>
Hmm...having visions of Uncle turning a CEO just to torture him for a long,
long time....
Ell
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:56:56 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Uncle in the real estate market?
>Cousin Nathalie wrote:
>Suddenly wondering exactly how much of the U.S. Uncle would own . . .and
>getting a vision of him owning at least half of it . . .
>
>
>kleinemaus@c.......
I'm starting to wonder how much of the planet he owns...he got into the New
World real estate market really early. In fact, the rest of the world didn't
even really have land titles when Uncle crossed into the eternal night.
Ell
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:10:16 -0400
From: Marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
Emily wrote:
> What about Canada? Isn't there an equivalent of a retirement plan that would be
> offered to police officers?
It's called a Registered Retirement Savings Plan (RRSP) here. The Police
(at least in toronto) also have their own Credit Union.
--
Marg <mytoronto@r.......>
In Toronto, the City of the Knight
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:48:50 -0400
From: janette 1228 <janette1228@h.......>
Subject: seeking a member
A few months ago i wrote to the list asking if anyone could make me copies
of all of the dracula the series eps--that i didn't just want the ones that
Ger was in but all of them. Lindy Cooksey replied saying she could do it and
i mailed her a check--she e-mailed me a couple times but hasn't replied to
my e-mails and hasn't sent my tapes. Are you out there and just not getting
my e-mails? Maybe she changed her address, i don't know--but if anyone has a
current address for her please contact me.
thanks
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:42:41 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
Nancy K wrote:
> I agree,
> Lacroix would have land---I can imagine him buying cheap
> land and then having it turn into prime real estate (mid-
> town Manhattan, for example) eventually.
Isn't there some ep where Janette mentions something about LC's
"plantations"? Or am I confusing that with a fan fic or 2?
I would assume that LC owns a good portion of many cities. I've wondered if
he bought a good portion of Pompeii - just for the sentimental value <WEG>
Barb
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:52:53 -0700
From: Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: feeling stupid
--- Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......> wrote:
> OK, remind me one more time, how old did we decide
> Lucius was at the time of Mt Vesuvius erupting?
> -Megan
>
This might have been answered already, but I think we said
forty-something (which was actually pretty old in Imperial Rome).
=====
Viv
Don't annoy the crazy person
Life's a witch and then you fly
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:07:07 +1200
From: Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
> Isn't there some ep where Janette mentions something about LC's
> "plantations"? Or am I confusing that with a fan fic or 2?
mm yes i recall the plantations too. cant help with the ep though, sorry!:P
> I would assume that LC owns a good portion of many cities. I've wondered if
> he bought a good portion of Pompeii - just for the sentimental value <WEG>
I would think he funds a good portion of the acrheaological digs and studies
etc too.
I see him taking interest in both up market..for the present lifestyle but
also an interest in a good bargin that will be fruitful in a century or
so.<g>
Kylie.
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven
Raven Awards : http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sharkyl/
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:05:39 -0400
From: Marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
Knightraven wrote:
>
> > Isn't there some ep where Janette mentions something about LC's
> > "plantations"? Or am I confusing that with a fan fic or 2?
>
LC whines, "What about my plantations?!?" in Can't Run, Cant Hide. <bg>
and running to hide from the Cousins.
--
Marg <mytoronto@r.......>
In Toronto, the City of the Knight
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:25:48 +1200
From: Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
> Knightraven wrote:
> > > Isn't there some ep where Janette mentions something about LC's
> > > "plantations"? Or am I confusing that with a fan fic or 2?
hehe actually Bara wrote the above...but ahh yes thats the one! i rememebr
now. Vietnam right?
> LC whines, "What about my plantations?!?" in Can't Run, Cant Hide. <bg>
> and running to hide from the Cousins.
and...Lacroix does NOT whine! He expresses disatisfaction passionately.<eg>
Kylie.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:47:29 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: feeling stupid
> Viv wrote:
> This might have been answered already, but I think we said
> forty-something (which was actually pretty old in Imperial Rome).
Not for a member of the senatorial class (which Lacroix had to belong to, since
he was a legate, or general). There were plenty upper-class Romans who lived
into their seventies and eighties. If you were a plebe or slave, however, your
life would probably be shorter due to hard work and nutritional deficiencies.
Same goes for people in Nick's mortal days. We're used to seeing lifespan
reported in averages (everyone, rich and poor, slave and nobility) rolled into
one group, and the average the middle value on a bell curve. The average doesn't
tell the real story---there were plenty of people at the upper end of that bell
curve.
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:59:47 -0500
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: looking for ...
Lisa Williams? If you're on this list, and I haven't confused lists, can
you write me? I can't seem to find your addy.
thanks! sorry!
monica
always luscious lucius lover
"I can be your strength when you have none. I can be your wisdom, your
truth... and all you need to share with me is your very soul." LaCroix
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:31:05 +0930
From: jennii35 <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Re: episode
Hi all,
It was in "Can't Run Can't Hide
Dot
Dark Knightie and UFer
jennii35@i.......
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:03:52 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
> Knightraven wrote:
> I would think he funds a good portion of the acrheaological
> digs and studies etc too.
Hasn't Lacroix indicated he prefers not to live in the past? He has told Nick to
leave his mortal past behind. For some reason I've always thought that Lacroix
doesn't care about such things as archaeology---after all, he lived in classical
Rome, he certainly doesn't need to know how people lived or what objects looked
like! I imagine he would be amused at some of the theories archaeologists come
up with to explain their finds, since he knows the truth.
I believe he also reprimanded Nick for accumulating money and possessions (in
the ep where he and Colm Feore kidnap and kill the dauphin). I've always thought
that while Lacroix may invest in real estate (for thousands of years, land was
the only worthwhile possession) he doesn't burden himself with mementos of the
past. Okay, so he's hauled around that marble bust of himself for the last 2000
years, but that doesn't really take up that much room. <g> I bet he could walk
away from any possession in a second if he had to.
Except for Nick, of course. <g>
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:10:12 -0400
From: Emily Lacey <laceye@a.......>
Subject: Re: feeling stupid
In the afternoon of August 24, 79AD to be precise.
I thought he was more like 45-ish or so.
I got interested in this, so I went and looked for info about the
Roman army. I found one fairly good site and there were several
pages attached to it:
color="#000000"
>https://members.tripod.com/~S_van_Dorst/legio.html#Romarmy
A few excerpts:
The imperial army was a standing professional army. It contained
both conscripts and volunteers serving a minimum term of sixteen
years, though most had to serve for 25 years or more before they
were up for retirement.
On completion of their term of service soldiers received a large
retirement grant of thirteen to seventeen years' worth of pay. In
addition to these monetary rewards serving soldiers and retired
veterans were also granted numerous legal privileges.
Command of the legion was usually given to a legatus legionis picked
by the emperor from the senatorial class who generally had some
previous military experience through service as a tribunus.
Senior Officers:
Tribunus. There were six of these officers to a legion and usually
there were five equestrian tribuni angusticlavii and one senatorial
tribunus laticlavius , named thin - or broad striped after the
purple lines on their tunics that indicated their social status. The
last one had higher status and functioned as second-in-command of
the legion. Some tribuni served only six month tours rather than the
more usual 1-3 years. A few served two or even rarer three stints of
duty. Though modern works often ascribe these officers purely
administrative tasks, the source material indicates that these had
by no means replaced their tactical command function.
If Lucius served 25 years and left the service, he could have been
given a sizeable amount of money and probably made a senator. So
assuming that he worked his way up in ranks and that he started at
around 13-14 years old (I couldn't find out how young they started)
He would have been in his late 30s (38) when he came up for
retirement.
If he continued in the service, he may have served as a Tribunus for
another 1-3 years to be eligible to be given command of a legion. So
he's now 39-42. Somewhere in there he probably served a few more
years, as I'm pretty sure that the Emperor wasn't going to trust a
legion to someone with only 1-3 years experience. So, I gather he
was at least in his mid-40s, probably within shouting distance of 50
when he returned to Pompeii-probably in the middle of another 16-25
year hitch.
From a TV program I vaguely remember that a person served their
entire term in the army, unless they were killed. If a soldier
showed any signs of 'leaving early' they were shot. Seems a rather
rough life as implied.
I don't remember seeing any purple stripes on his toga, or if they
were there, how wide they were.
Maybe someone can point out any fallacies in my thinking...
Emily Lacey
laceye@a.......
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:10:00 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Nick's Using My Email Address
I'm sure you've all seen those spam emails that invite you to help a Nigerian
(or in this case, Angolan) official find a home for vast sums of stolen cash
from his country's treasury? I got another one tonight. Only, for some reason,
it's addressed to Nicholas. <g> See below.
(I can only think this happened because I'm selling my young Lipizzan gelding,
Nicholas, and I have a webpage with that name on it. But I prefer to think that
Nick is borrowing my email address for some reason, and he'll make it up to me
sometime in the future. <g>)
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From: richard yahaya
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:08 AM
To: nancykam@a.......
Subject: URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL.
ATTN: URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL.
DEAR Nicholas,
THANKS FOR THE PIECE OF INFORMATION I RECEIVED ABOUT YOU.ALTHOUGH I DID NOT
REVEAL THE DETAILS OF MY BUSINESS INQUIRIES BECAUSE OF THE CONFIDENTIALITIES I
REQUIRED, IN THIS PRODIGEOUS TRANSACTION THAT COMES ONCE IN A LIFE TIME WHICH IS
100% RISK FREE.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:59:32 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: feeling stupid
> Emily Lacey wrote:
> If Lucius served 25 years and left the
> service, he could have been given a sizeable amount of money and
> probably made a senator.
I think that in Imperial Rome, the senate was a hereditary rank and a person was
not able to be promoted into that class. Generals, or legates, were appointed by
the Senate, and must be a member of the senatorial class.
Besides, the amount of money given to soldiers who did their hitch wasn't
anywhere near enough to be a senator. They'd get the money and a parcel of land
(somewhere in the provinces) and be set up as a small farmer.
> So assuming that he worked his way up in
> ranks and that he started at around 13-14 years old (I couldn't find
> out how young they started) He would have been in his late 30s (38)
> when he came up for retirement.
I'm not certain on this, but I don't believe officers came up through the ranks.
They started as junior officers, not common soldiers, and they started military
careers when they were adults, not as young teens.
> From a TV program I vaguely remember that a person served their entire
> term in the army, unless they were killed. If a soldier showed any
> signs of 'leaving early' they were shot. Seems a rather rough life
> as implied.
I believe that applies to common soldiers, not officers. Officers were much more
free to come and go.
> I don't remember seeing any purple stripes on his toga, or if they
> were there, how wide they were.
I think he was out of uniform when we saw him in the brothel. <g> Anyway, he
wasn't wearing a toga (the Roman equivilent of a three-piece formal suit), he
was wearing a tunic (and showing a rather becoming amount of leg! <g>)
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:39:22 -0400
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant@h.......>
Subject: I'm not getting any messages
Hi-
I haven't been getting any list messages for a couple of days. I have sent a
message to the list and gotten an off list reply so I know I'm getting
through.
I am getting nervous because I had asked if anyone was planning a TO tour
this weekend since I am going to be in the city.
I would appreciate any help in getting messages again.
Thanks!
-Amanda
"Peace over anger. Honor over hate. Strength over fear."
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:59:27 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: feeling stupid
> I think that in Imperial Rome, the senate was a
> hereditary rank and a person was
> not able to be promoted into that class.
Not quite. You had to have been born a citizen, but
the children of provicial landowners were just as
elegable for senatorship as anyone else-- they just
had to have sufficiant money and know the right
people. In fact, the Emperor Vespasinus, a
well-decorated general in his own right, was born a
tax-collecter's son.
> Besides, the amount of money given to soldiers who
> did their hitch wasn't
> anywhere near enough to be a senator.
Not even close to enough! Besides, a man who had
political intentions had better not have waited that
long-- you only had to be 25 to be elegable for
senetor-elect.
> I'm not certain on this, but I don't believe
> officers came up through the ranks.
Again, correct. The 'army man' and the
'senetor-officer' were two completely different
carreers. While an army man may become a centurion,
or even a centurion primus, they were highly unlikley
to make legat (general). Common army men were not
seen as possessing the skills or training to be good
leaders.
-Megan
=====
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:01:07 -0400
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
At 11:32 AM 7/24/2002 -0400, Tim Phillips wrote:
> For personal wealth... I'd bet that LaCroix has a traditional
>treasure chest. Precious gems and rare metals. The sort of things
>that are very liquid and almost untraceable.
Not necessarily as liquid and untraceable as you'd believe. One of my
former coworkers used to salvage gold from old circuit boards; he had a lot
of trouble trying to sell it because of its lack of provenance. On the flip
side, once the provenance is known, there is paperwork following the gold
or gemstone everywhere it goes -- it cannot "just disappear". If a bit of
precious metal is worked into a format other than the one in which it was
received (e.g., melting down coin to create wire or jewelry), its intrinsic
value often plummets. (The monetary value in jewelry is often due to
workmanship and aesthetics; the monetary value in coin and bar is often due
to workmanship, aesthetics, government fiat, and the local or global economy.)
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos: https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:25:14 -0700
From: Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
From: "Brenda Bell"
>once the provenance is known, there is paperwork
>following the gold or gemstone everywhere it goes -- it
>cannot "just disappear".
But perhaps not if the treasure were "acquired"
centuries ago and hoarded since.
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:38:49 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBOWFKW...
> But perhaps not if the treasure were "acquired"
> centuries ago and hoarded since.
But if it's museum quality and unknown, provenance would
be suspect and it would be hard to sell (except on the
underground art market, which raises its own problems).
Anything of high value in the gold/jewels/art area is
subject to lots of inquiry---if it were to be auctioned
at Sotheby's, for instance, they authenticate the item
and would demand to know where it came from from the
seller. I don't think Lacroix telling them that it had
been in his family since the Renaissance would fly very
well. That's not the way to remain below the radar.
Of course, Lacroix could go on the Antiques Road Show
and just say he found the item wedged in the attic of
the old house he bought. I saw one episode in which a
man brought in what he thought was an interesting bit of
junk he found in the attic and it turned out to be a
Renaissance Italian silver and gold parade helmet,
valued at (conservatively) $100,000 (or was it a million
bucks? I can't remember.)
Hmm, maybe *that* guy was a vampire trying to liquidate
some of his hoarded assets...<G>
Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@a.......
www.nancykam.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:16:29 -0500
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: A difference in their ages
So if we're figguring LaCroix
was 45-ish
that means he was born around 034AD (29-39AD)
making him 1968-ish
If nick was brought across in 1228
nick says he's 800 yrs old
so that means (figgering from 1995 when this was made)
nick would've been born around 1195 (making him 33)
Unless vampires round off their ages
he might be 1993 yrs old, but say 800 anyway
then their's no way to know
(But 33 sounds reasonable)
And maybe after a few centuries you just stop counting
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:34:05 -0700
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: First FKfic story posted
This morning I was lying in bed when a strange thought
came to my mind: What was the first story ever posted to
FKFIC-L? I only joined the lists a year and a half ago so
I wouldn't know, but I'm sure there are some of you
around who had been around in those days and would know.
Anyone with a klew, and possibly a link to where to find
and read it?
-- LaCountess
=====
LaCountess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
http://www.lacountess.com/FKnight/
"Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!"
--Homer Simpson
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:49:17 -0400
From: Joseph LaCour <joelacour@c.......>
Subject: Re: First FKfic story posted
Let's see, the oldest ones I have are
Kind Soul Dated December 94 (Susan Garrett) (sadly, corrupted -- it is a
great read)
The Heart Has its Reasons May 1995 (Jaime Randell)
Spyder's Web (Jamie Randell) January 1997
There have to be older, I'm sure.
Joe
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:35:46 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: First FKfic story posted
Joe wrote:
> Kind Soul Dated December 94 (Susan Garrett) (sadly, corrupted -- it is a
> great read) The Heart Has its Reasons May 1995 (Jaime Randell)
> Spyder's Web (Jamie Randell) January 1997
> There have to be older, I'm sure.
I'm sure there are older ones than that. Maybe McLisa
could shed some light on this, although she isn't the
original ListMom for FKFIC-L.
This is interesting! THat original story should be
enshrined!
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......
--
nancykam@a.......
www.nancykam.com
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