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FORKNI-L Digest - 18 Jun 2002 to 19 Jun 2002 (#2002-181)

Wed, 19 Jun 2002

There are 14 messages totalling 423 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Life without Schanke (3)
  2. Ben Bass as a Doctor in SciFi's Night Visions? (3)
  3. dusk to dawn
  4. Today's Birthday:  June 19
  5. Could Schanke have prevented Last Knight?
  6. Nick feeling the weight of 800+ years
  7. YKYBR/WTMFKW... (2)
  8. Nick's excuses:  Blackwing & Bad Blood (2)

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:19:19 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

Speaking as someone who started watching  FK  during the third season   and
did  not   see  the first two seasons until syndication, I think that by
itself the third season was quite good.   After all it is what hooked me on
the show.  It is only when it is measured against the    first two seasons
that it  starts to lose something.

In my opinion  the addition of the new characters unbalanced the show .  In
the first season FK was   about  Nick and Natalie, Nick and LaCroix, Nick
and Schanke, and  Nick and Janette. The key word being Nick.  Suddenly   In
the third season   the focus shifts  away from Nick,   to Tracy and Vachon,
Tracy and her Father,  Vachon and Screed  and  VAchon and Urs.  The same
type of relationships but   oh so    different     This created problems.

Suddenly Nick is unique to his kind.  Apparently  he alone   can't control
his hunger around a mortal woman.    Vachon can though.  Now  I have read
lots of explanations as to why this is so, some of them quite good,but the
fact remains that by  even opening up the notion that Vachon could have a
relationship with Tracy where Nick couldn't with Natalie , TPTB  not only
weakened Nick's reasons for  not letting Natalie get close to him  they
added  a certain amount of  confusion as to why he needed to become mortal
again.  If Vachon could handle his vampire nature why couldn't Nick.?

And lets face it Tracy's problems with  with her father  never  even came
close to   the problems Nick  had with LaCroix. .

Debbie


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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:49:14 -0400
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Ben Bass as a Doctor in SciFi's Night Visions?

KnightLaw1@a....... writes:
>Just wanted to let you know that BB was in a an episode of Night Visions, the
>new show on SciFi hosted by Henry Rollins.  He was only in the first ten
>minutes or so, but I thought people would like to keep an eye out for reruns.


Hey Maria...

Hmmmmm...I saw the first ten minutes of "Bokor" (the second of the two
introductory episodes) and I thought that it might have been him, but I
didn't see his name on the list of credits.  Did you actually see his name
listed, because although I thought that it looked like him, I thought that
there were certain things that made him "an imperfect match" (maybe the
well-shaven face, perhaps?!?  :-) :-) ).

That said, I recall that there were several different credits listings
(i.e., the "major credits" at the beginning of the episode as well as the
"minor characters" credits at the end), and I don't THINK that I missed
either of those credits listings, but hey, who knows?  If you saw it for
sure, I'll stand (sitting?) corrected.

W.

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:19:34 -0700
From:    Marilyn Teplitz <zeor1@y.......>
Subject: Re: Ben Bass as a Doctor in SciFi's Night Visions?

--- Will Steeves <goid@i.......> wrote:
>  I thought that it might have been him, but I
> didn't see his name on the list of credits.  Did you actually see his
> name listed>

Yo Will -

That was the second time that episode has aired, although the first time it
was on USA Network and I can *promise* you that was indeed Ben - his name
WAS listed at the beginning just after Samantha Matheson (how about THAT) -
screen alll to himself.  I saw his name and I saw him and I know he was in
the episode because we Vaqueras had been watching for it for months before
the first time it aired.

Marilyn
*****************
VaqShaman and Terminal Vaquera
"Who's that blond guy talking to Vachon?"

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:09:36 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: dusk to dawn

 I've seen the 'Dusk to Dawn' challenge mentioned in a number of stories, but
I've never been able to figure out exactly what it is.  Care to expound, anyone?
                               -Megan



"Eternal nights too short,

How quickly melt away,

With all the love we shared once,

Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:13:24 -0700
From:    StormBorn <thestormborn@m.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

Libs wrote:
>> I wonder what Schanke would have thought of Screed? Maybe a bit put off
at first, but I could see him sort of buddying up and using Screed as a
"source," perhaps feeling sorry for "that homeless guy" and doing things
like delivering a food basket at Christmas. <g><<

LOL!  Omigods, that's perfect.  I can really see it too, now that you've put
the picture in my head.

Molly/StormBorn
thestormborn@m.......
www.voluptuarium.net (I'm working on it, I'm working on it!)
"It's not fair!"  "You say that so often.  I wonder what your basis for
comparison is?" -Sarah and Jareth, Labyrinth

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:58:44 -0400
From:    Marilyn Teplitz <shaman11@m.......>
Subject: Re: Ben Bass as a Doctor in SciFi's Night Visions?

Forgive me - now I can't rememeber if it was on USA or on FOX - it was on one
of them....

Lost my mind,
Marilyn
*****************
VaqShaman and Terminal Vaquera
"Who's that blond guy talking to Vachon?"


>That was the second time that episode has aired, although the first time it
>was on USA Network

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:15:25 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

--- Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......> wrote:
> In my opinion  the addition of the new characters
> unbalanced the show .

This was one of the best explanations I read about the
third season and its comparison to the second and the
first. Thanks Debbie. I also wanted to add that because
there were so many new characters added to the show (in
place of 2 characters who left, we got 4 new ones) each
with their own personal story, there wasn't enough time
spent developing each of them and also continuing with
Nick's story. That's why it became confusing. Everything
was brushed over and never explored in detail as with
Nick's story in season 1&2.

That said, I also wanted to add that although season 1& 2
where superior to season 3, neither matched up with some
of the fanfiction I read on the Internet. I knew about FK
for years and it never managed to get me 'hooked' in a
real sense. It was only after I found fkfanfic.com that I
became a true believer.

Long live our wonderfuly talented fanfic writers.


=====
LaCountess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
Visit my website at http://www.lacountess.com/Fkmain.html

"Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!"
--Homer Simpson

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:36:36 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday:  June 19

Hi Y'all!

Today is the birthday of:  Stefanie Herrel              SlySpy@p.......

You can send birthday greetings to Stefanie at the above e-mail address.
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Significant events on this date:
1848, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott opened the first women's
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1905, Harry Davis opened the first Nickelodeon in Pittsburgh
1910, Father's Day was celebrated for the first time.
1997, Andrew Lloyd Webber's hit musical "Cats" made history as the
longest-running show on Broadway when it presented its record-breaking
6,138th performance,

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at eowyn3@j....... and I'll be glad to add you.

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GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:33:50 -0700
From:    Beverly Collins-LaCroix <beverlylacroix@w.......>
Subject: Could Schanke have prevented Last Knight?

Cousin Nathalie wrote:
<<And without Schanke, the humour was gone, and the invading
darkness just kept crawling in until that awful Last Knight.
Which begs the question, would Last Knight still have happened had
Schanke been around?>>

Heck no.  Schanke would have never allowed Nick to get in such a mess.
Not ever!  :-)

Beverly

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:44:08 -0700
From:    Beverly Collins-LaCroix <beverlylacroix@w.......>
Subject: Nick feeling the weight of 800+ years

Emily wrote:
<<One of the reasons I think Last Knight happened was that Nick was
feeling the weight of immortality.>>

It must have been something in the blood for Nick all of a sudden to
feel the weight of his immortality.  You would think it would be a fact
of life by now.  He had been through a lot more than just LK
occurrences, including losing Janette at one time.  I can't see where
losing Schanke would create those feelings, and Natalie just wouldn't
stop nagging him about being brought over.  <don't hit>

And Nick had been in love with quite a few of his victims before, and
for some reason wasn't successful in bringing his paramours across with
the exception of a couple.  That makes me think of how successful Perry
the Dog was at his first attempt in creating a Childe, and Nick wasn't
successful with Natalie.  Anyway, I'm losing my train of thought.
Sorry.

Nick feeling the weight of immortality is something he had felt en masse
before, so I rather doubt that's why LK happened.
I just think it was a dreadful miscalculation on Nick's part, and he
should have brought Schanke across and none of this would have happened.
I wonder why the Great One (LC) didn't see the potential in Schanke and
make him his favorite Childe.  <jk>

Beverly

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:28:10 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: YKYBR/WTMFKW...

You know you've been reading/watching too much FK when you realize you're about
to hit 1228 miles on your new car's odometer while you're in traffic.

Digital readouts just aren't the same as the old ones for watching the miles
turn over though, LOL.


=====
Emily M. Hanson
My Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
My Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:43:33 -0400
From:    Joseph LaCour <joelacour@c.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBR/WTMFKW...

Emily wrote:

> You know you've been reading/watching too much FK when you realize you're
> about to
> hit 1228 miles on your new car's odometer while you're in traffic.

(1)  I hope you didn't feel guilty about the car at that point, and wanted
to trade it back for the old model.

(2)  Did you cross over anything at that point?

Sorry

Joe

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:56:00 -0700
From:    "B. Stone" <STONEB@g.......>
Subject: Nick's excuses:  Blackwing & Bad Blood

Poor Nick, after 800 years on this earth his spur-of-the-moment excuses
still need some work. That "static charge" from the obsidian knives
gets me every time.  High school physics was a long time ago, but I'm
pretty sure glass was mentioned as an insulator, not a conductor.
[Tracy swallows it, but she has other things on her mind.] And when
Nick nearly totals his Caddy and everyone in it as a result of
Bridget suddenly showing him her cross, he pleads "Squirrel"!
Squirrels are not nocturnal.  In fact, it's probably been a really,
really long time since Nick has seen a squirrel.  "Rabbit", "Cat", or
"Raccoon" would have been far more believable.  But then, I've never been to
Toronto.  Maybe they have an unusual species of squirrel there.  Especially if
the carouche (carouches?) have been busy....
        B. Stone
        stoneb@g.......

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Date:    Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:57:08 -0400
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick's excuses:  Blackwing & Bad Blood

In a message dated Wed, 19 Jun 2002  4:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
STONEB@g....... writes:


> Squirrels are not nocturnal.  In fact, it's probably been a really,
> really long time since Nick has seen a squirrel.>>
I've seen squirrels at night from time-to-time. My guess is something has scared
them from their nest such as a cat or a preditory bird. But I've seen them
scamper across the road into my yard and up a tree well after dark.

So it is possible Nick not only has seen squirrels (Toronto seems to have a
large population of them from what I've observed in the parks), but has had them
run in front of his car before. Of course Screed may have been chasing it at the
time <g>

If he was in the Southern US, he could yell "'POSSUM!"<g>

Libs

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