FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Feb 2002 to 21 Feb 2002 - Special issue (#2002-52)
Thu, 21 Feb 2002
There are 29 messages totalling 1053 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't
...)il late at night...
2. Janette or Nat? (18)
3. Why the Caddy Wins (was Janette or Nat?) (2)
4. Meeting FK fans (2)
5. Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't ...)il late at
... (3)
6. Asking for help (also a form of publicity for FK)
7. Why the Caddy Wins
8. Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't
...)il late at ...
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:30:29 -0600
From: Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't
...)il late at night...
The strangest place I met one was at my summer job... all right, maybe
that's not quite so strange. However, her name was Natalie, and she studied
a branch of forensics, and her parents had almost called her Natasha...
interesting coincidences all. ;) We carpooled together the whole summer, and
I had no idea she even liked the show until I happened to mention something
about taping a particular episode.
Another one turned up on another list I'm on, when a bunch of us were
suggesting baby names and I put "Geraint" on my rather long list of
interesting finds. One of the women on the list wrote back, "Hmmmm...
Forever Knight fan? :)" It was actually a pretty good connection to make, as
we hooked up later in the year and she was able to share her tape of Ger's
appearance on "Outer Limits". :)
Eve.
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:13:06 -0500
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
I always found it very intriquing that Nick was *married* to Janette, while he
was *cheating* with Natalie in C&C....
Portia
UF, N&NPack, IB, DT, FoDs, Caddywhacker (ah, heck, just about anybody you can
hook up with Nick! "eg")
Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
<snip> Seriously, I think if you watch the series that you see that Nick still
has a fairly serious relationship with Janette.
Tim Phillips
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:53:27 -0700
From: Molly Schneider <thestormborn@m.......>
Subject: Why the Caddy Wins (was Janette or Nat?)
1. The Caddy is more reliable
2. He don't have to tell it that it doesn't look fat in that paint job
3. When he puts money into it, he knows it's going to actually accomplish
something
4. It doesn't upset when he gets into another car
5. Like most women, it can be a trophy at parties; unlike most women it
will not try to humiliate him during it
6. The Caddy never asks, "What are you thinking?"
7. The Caddy doesn't wonder where the relationship is going
8. The Caddy never gets a surprise new haircut that it expects you to
notice
9. The Caddy isn't from Venus, it's from Detroit
10. The Caddy only looks better as it ages
Molly/StormBorn
"It isn't fair!" "You say that so often. I wonder what your basis for
comparison is." Sarah and Jareth, Labyrinth
stormborne@e....... -or- thestormborn@m.......
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:05:04 -0700
From: Cousin Mary <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
>> Tim (who now knows why the Caddy is the color that it is
>>and needs to write the fan fiction that explains it)
Here's a vote for Nat (and this is strange coming from me... even
noticing N&N exsistance is odd for me ;-) but I realized while writing a
fic a few years back that the Caddy is the same color as the tiles behind
Nat's desk at the morgue!!! It's true! Check out this pic:
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228/natpaperwork.jpg
Don't know what it has to do with his relationship with Nat (or Nick's
mental state) but for whatever reason, the Caddy is "morgue green"!
hugs!
mary
anteros@j.......
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228/
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:19:33 -0700
From: Cousin Mary <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: Meeting FK fans
Here in Idaho I've only met a whopping 3 people not from this list. One
was a friend of a friend (who almost named her first born after Nick!),
another was gal I worked with, and the third was the strangest of all.
I was at HotTopic (with my mother of all people) and the peirced, dyed
and frayed teen clerk who offered to help me asked what I was looking
for. Well, I happened to be there for goodies for the Dark Perk party
awhile back, and I told him I was looking for vampire stuff. He started
talking about goth parties and such, but then I said, no, it was after a
show, FK.
Not only had he seen it, he knew who -I- was. He'd read some of my fic
off the net and was a fan. I was floored to be known outside this small
circle and my mom was shocked I had fans ;-)
hugs!
mary
anteros@j.......
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228/
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:03:13 EST
From: BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: Re: Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't ...)il
late at ...
I meet FK fans at malls etc. whenever I wear my GWDFC FK jacket, but I do
have one strange situation. There is a Cousins Subs sandwich shop relatively
close to my house, and *every* time I go there wearing my FK jacket, I meet
an FK fan. And it's never the same fan twice! For some reason, I always run
into different people there (one was a worker, the rest customers) who are FK
fans! Hmm...I wonder if they are Cousins. ;-) (Actually the irony of the
name didn't occur to me until now.) It kinda makes me wonder what's
*really* going on at that sub shop!
Becky -- DFKS, DK, IB, DT, UF, Ravenette, Cousin, FOD
http://members.aol.com/BJDFKFan, http://members.aol.com/DKfanfic
We're cut adrift, but still floating. I'm only hanging on to watch you go
down...my love. (Bono, U2)
The world was bankrupted of ten million fine actions the night she passed on.
(paraphrased from Ray Bradbury's F. 451, in memory of Libby M.)
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:38:41 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
In a message dated 2/20/2002 3:45:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Timp@d....... writes:
<<
Tim (who now knows why the Caddy is the color that it is
and needs to write the fan fiction that explains it)
>>
I would be interested in what your thoughts on the subject would be.
Nicholas Grey said at LCA3 that they used that color as it was better to
photo in the night scenes. If you remember in Nick Knight the movie, you
could barely make out the year of the car because it was black.
KnightWitch;-]=
CaddyWhacker [first and foremost], Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
tendencies.
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html
"It's the little things in life you treasure" Fred Kwan, Galaxy Quest
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:44:35 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Why the Caddy Wins (was Janette or Nat?)
Like your top ten reasons why Nick likes the Caddy more. Your observations
are sharp.
I am getting better with my new embroidery program so I hope to have the
Caddy embrodered on a shirt in the next two months. Then I can really show
her off .
KnightWitch;-]=
CaddyWhacker [first and foremost], Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
tendencies.
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html
"It's the little things in life you treasure" Fred Kwan, Galaxy Quest
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:46:27 -0600
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
True, however, Nat seemed to be the one demanding the affair more so that
he. Nat obiviously wanted a relationship with him, even outside the dream,
and since she was the captain in the dream, she was in sort of a position to
demand it. He didn't seem to go for it very well, and also seemed much more
comfortable with the married Janette. Also note, that they were mortal: he
and Janette. She was the one he married and even had a *child* with. The
relationship with the captain: Nat seemed to be forced upon, because that is
what she is demanding from him. *She* wants to be more than friends.
Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."
> I always found it very intriquing that Nick was *married* to Janette,
> while he was *cheating* with Natalie in C&C....
>
> Portia
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:49:24 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't ...)il
late at ...
I have several FK font buttons pinned along the straps of my shoulder
handbag. At least once a week I get someone saying 'I loved That show.' I
get them into a conversation and pitch KtK to them. As an incentive to get
them to write, I give them a button.
Those that don't know the show... well, I just chew their ear off about it.
Between the tee shirts, jacket, hat, and buttons on my bag, I'm a walking FK
advertisement.
KnightWitch;-]=
CaddyWhacker [first and foremost], Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
tendencies.
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html
"It's the little things in life you treasure" Fred Kwan, Galaxy Quest
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:15:04 -0800
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
--- Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......> wrote:
> Seriously, I think if you watch the series
> that you see that Nick
> still has a fairly serious relationship with
> Janette.
Good observation Tim.
I think if you look at the concept from the producers'
point of view the setting is pretty much as Tim has
described.
Nick and Janette: lovers with a potholed relationship
mostly due to her leaving him and his fascination with
mortality, yet still so entwined in one another that
they can’t keep their hands off of each other every
time they meet, and there is a promissed potentian of
them getting back ('Crazy Love', 'Partners of the
month').
Nick and Natalie: Strong friendship based on mutual
trust. Although it is implied (especially in ‘only the
lonely’) that Natalie wants more to come out of the
relationship, Nick’s side is never truly explored in
that matter, except for his occasional, unexplained
mood swings such as in ‘Be my Valentine’.
Of course this is all different in the realm of
fanfiction as we all know. I think, in order to have a
rational discussion on this topic, we ought to
separate these domains and specifically identify which
one we are talking about, canon or the fandom.
-Sunny
=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"
-Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:26:25 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't ...)il
late at ...
Here's my experience.
I've always thought there can't be many FK fans in Singapore but I ran into
another fan as I rode on the train to work a couple of days ago. I spotted
a little Asian kid named Javier (It was written on his school bag).
I struck up conversation with his mom since I was curious (ok, being a
busybody) I found it quite an unusual naming choice and asked what made her
pick the Spanish name. Well Javier's mom told me that she was a fan of this
late TV show from a few years back. Was it Forever Knight? I asked. She
cracked a big grin. Our hubbies, who were there, immediately put on the
long-suffering looks that FK-widowers have (kind of like golf widows without
the green fees). The ride to work was quite short so unfortunately we didn't
get to chat much. I hope to run into her again sometime soon. Little
Javier's kindergarten is a couple of blocks away from my office.
Ell
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:33:56 -0800
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Asking for help (also a form of publicity for FK)
Ok, this is long, but I hope it’s worth your time:
I am supposed to write a 10-14 page essay for my Arts
and Activism class and I decided to do it on the
Forever Knight fandom and their experience in
activism. My focus is basically on the feminist
implications of the show, the way TPTB tried to curb
those in the third season (eliminating the characters
of Janette, Schanke, Cohen and even trying to get rid
of Natalie), how the fans reacted and how they finally
got their superbly organized act together to bend the
will of the big guys and get their show back. Since I
wasn’t around (in the fandom) when all this happened I
would appreciate any information you can send me about
how the fandom got organized, what sort of
communications happened and how the course of action
was decided. Please, if you know about this, or know a
site that has detailed info about it (other than
loftworks.com), email me off line. As these essays are
for an upper division Arts and Culture course they
will be reviewed in class meticulously and it is a
great opportunity to introduce the show and the fandom
to other students at a major University and to let
them know to what lengths fans will go to keep what
they like alive. So please, let _me_ know more about
it so that I can let _them_ know what we’re all about.
Thanks
-Sunny
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Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"
-Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:43:35 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Sunny LaCountess wrote, among other things about the Nick/Nat relationship:
> Nick's side is never truly explored in
> that matter, except for his occasional, unexplained
> mood swings such as in 'Be my Valentine'.
It's not that unexplained. *Every* time Nick starts showing a romantic
interest in Nat, it's right after Nat threatens to leave him, one way or
the other. Let's see....
Only the Lonely -- Nat goes on a date. Nick gets all jealous.
Be My Valentine -- Nat talks about how she can see why someone uses a
dating service. Nick drops in and kisses her. (And, personally, I think
there was more than a little truth in Nick's speech at the Azure.)
My Boyfriend is a Vampire -- Nat pretty much breaks everything off with
Nick. Nick sends her flowers and a card and gets her back.
Let No Man Tear Asunder -- Nat almost becomes a victim of involuntary
organ donation. Nick kisses her forehead while she's still unconscious
and sends flowers.
Night in Question -- Okay, Nat doesn't do anything threatening here. But
Nick doesn't remember anything, either. And as soon as he does, he goes
to LaCroix, he doesn't stay with her.
Did I miss any eps?
One thing to remember, is that Nick has eight hundred years of
experience in seducing women. So he'd *know* Nat was attracted to him.
And, like he said at the Azure, she knows what he is, and is helping him
regain mortality. He'd be a fool if he didn't use everything he could to
keep her neatly pinned down where she is. And fools don't live eight
hundred years.
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky luckyliz@a.......
http://www.luckyliz.crosswinds.net/ForeverKnight/
Proud Aunt of an Olympic Torch Bearer
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:57:23 -0800
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Why the Caddy Wins
Molly!!!!!!!!! Why such a sexist response? :(
I mean I love the Caddy too but that almost sounded
like a revision of a "Why cars are better than women"
misogynist list, something my first ex-boyfriend would
send me (if he ever had the intelligence to watch FK).
I hope it was meant to be just a joke and that the
underlying implications simply escaped you.
Sunny (who, just today, has discovered that FK was a
feminist show, especially in seasons 1 & 2)
--- Molly Schneider <thestormborn@m.......> wrote:
> 1. The Caddy is more reliable
> 2. He don't have to tell it that it doesn't look
> fat in that paint job
=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"
-Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:45:32 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
That is really some astute observation.
Questions:
- The hug and look on Nick's face after the "Be My Valentine" confrontation
with Lacroix
- Nick's reaction to Spark in "A More Permanent Hell"
- And that horrible, horrible request to die at the end of Last Knight
If it was just to string Nat along, there really was no need for any of
those actions,would there? She wasn't exactly conscious during the BMV and
end of LK scene.
Scruples or love?
Ell
>From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:43:35 -0800
>
>Sunny LaCountess wrote, among other things about the Nick/Nat relationship:
>
> > Nick's side is never truly explored in
> > that matter, except for his occasional, unexplained
> > mood swings such as in 'Be my Valentine'.
>
>It's not that unexplained. *Every* time Nick starts showing a romantic
>interest in Nat, it's right after Nat threatens to leave him, one way or
>the other. Let's see....
>
>Only the Lonely -- Nat goes on a date. Nick gets all jealous.
>
>Be My Valentine -- Nat talks about how she can see why someone uses a
>dating service. Nick drops in and kisses her. (And, personally, I think
>there was more than a little truth in Nick's speech at the Azure.)
>
>My Boyfriend is a Vampire -- Nat pretty much breaks everything off with
>Nick. Nick sends her flowers and a card and gets her back.
>
>Let No Man Tear Asunder -- Nat almost becomes a victim of involuntary
>organ donation. Nick kisses her forehead while she's still unconscious
>and sends flowers.
>
>Night in Question -- Okay, Nat doesn't do anything threatening here. But
>Nick doesn't remember anything, either. And as soon as he does, he goes
>to LaCroix, he doesn't stay with her.
>
>Did I miss any eps?
>
>One thing to remember, is that Nick has eight hundred years of
>experience in seducing women. So he'd *know* Nat was attracted to him.
>And, like he said at the Azure, she knows what he is, and is helping him
>regain mortality. He'd be a fool if he didn't use everything he could to
>keep her neatly pinned down where she is. And fools don't live eight
>hundred years.
>
>
>Hugs and Kisses,
> Liz the Lucky luckyliz@a.......
> http://www.luckyliz.crosswinds.net/ForeverKnight/
> Proud Aunt of an Olympic Torch Bearer
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:57:28 -0600
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
To add to the Caddy joke, was Nick always with his caddy? That was just a
few years of his undead life, so obviously it can't be his main love :) .
Janette is definately more long-term. He was very content with her for
almost 100 yrs, married. She did leave him, but, the reason she left was
because of his smothering love for her. Janette was not used to that. She
states this in "Partners of the Month," with some regret to Schanke and
showed her strong desire to be with him again. In that episode, especially
in the last scene, she was ready to have him return to her and he seemed to
sense some of this too. The last episodes of the 2nd season showed Nick and
Janette getting closer and closer. Janette was the only female Nick stayed
with for so long and showed such love and desire for. Sure, there's been
many females along his 100 yrs, but they were all short term and some even a
replacement for Janette, after she left him. After all, he did become a
vampire for her, and if it wasn't for his quest to change, she probably
would have pursued him more in the present to continue a closer relationship
like the past.
Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."
> Never did see Nick kiss the Caddy, though.
> Janette left Nicholas, remember, not the other way around.
> Natalie could either be viewed as a "temporary dalliance" until
> Janette returns to Nicholas or as Nicholas' replacement for the
> relationship that Janette no longer wants to have as a central part
> of her life.
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:06:29 -0600
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
> Elliza Rahim wrote:
> If it was just to string Nat along, there really was no need
> for any of those actions,would there? She wasn't exactly conscious
> during the BMV and end of LK scene.
> Scruples or love?
I've always thought that Nick, deep down, really does love Nat, but due to his
poor track record with human females has done all he can to protect her from his
lethal affection. We all know he's a gold medal angster (yup, I'm watching the
Olympics! <g>) and so maybe he goes overboard. But every so often the underlying
emotions do leak out despite it all, and we see glimpses of what he's really
feeling.
The problem is he also won't come out and tell Nat about the trail of dead women
he leaves behind, also to protect her from knowing how truly evil he is. He
wants her to like him, to not be repulsive. So she's left in limbo wondering
what's wrong with her, what's wrong with him, is he stringing her along, what
does he really think, how can she compete with Janette...
Ouch! Talk about your insecurity factory! I feel sorry for both of 'em!
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:07:12 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Elliza Rahim wrote:
> That is really some astute observation.
Thanks. :-)
> Questions:
> - The hug and look on Nick's face after the "Be My Valentine"
> confrontation with Lacroix
Could easily be relief that LC hasn't ruined his nice little set up.
Nick's a very touchy-feely kind of person, so it's hard to judge just
how much the hug means.
> - Nick's reaction to Spark in "A More Permanent Hell"
Another time he's about to lose Nat, to either death or becoming a vampire.
> - And that horrible, horrible request to die at the end of Last
> Knight
He'd just had a bellyful of Nat at that point. Given the memories that
come with blood drinking, and how both Erica and Janette both avoided
Nick because they didn't want to infect him with their thoughts, I'd say
that was more Nat's wanting to die than Nick's. Who knows how he'd feel
once he'd, er, digested her.
> If it was just to string Nat along, there really was no need for any
> of those actions,would there? She wasn't exactly conscious during the
> BMV and end of LK scene.
I never said Nick didn't have *any* affection for Nat. Any half-way
decent actor falls at least somewhat in love with the partner their
doing a love story with, and Nick's much better than that. I just don't
think that Nat's the major love/soulmate of Nick's that a lot fans
(including me, so don't get me wrong here) want her to be.
> Scruples or love?
Or somewhere in between?
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky luckyliz@a.......
http://www.luckyliz.crosswinds.net/ForeverKnight/
Proud Aunt of an Olympic Torch Bearer
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:44:59 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Elliza Rahim wrote:
> That is really some astute observation.
Thanks. [:-)]
> Questions:
> - The hug and look on Nick's face after the "Be My Valentine"
> confrontation with Lacroix
Could easily be relief that LC hasn't ruined his nice little set up.
Nick's a very touchy-feely kind of person, so it's hard to judge just
how much the hug means.
> - Nick's reaction to Spark in "A More Permanent Hell"
Another time he's about to lose Nat, to either death or becoming a vampire.
> - And that horrible, horrible request to die at the end of Last
> Knight
He'd just had a bellyful of Nat at that point. Given the memories that
come with blood drinking, and how both Erica and Janette both avoided
Nick because they didn't want to infect him with their thoughts, I'd say
that was more Nat's wanting to die than Nick's. Who knows how he'd feel
once he'd, er, digested her.
> If it was just to string Nat along, there really was no need for any
> of those actions,would there? She wasn't exactly conscious during the
> BMV and end of LK scene.
I never said Nick didn't have *any* affection for Nat. Any half-way
decent actor falls at least somewhat in love with the partner their
doing a love story with, and Nick's much better than that. I just don't
think that Nat's the major love/soulmate of Nick's that a lot fans
(including me, so don't get me wrong here) want her to be.
> Scruples or love?
Or somewhere in between?
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky luckyliz@a.......
http://www.luckyliz.crosswinds.net/ForeverKnight/
Proud Aunt of an Olympic Torch Bearer
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:56:45 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@c.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Buggernuts! That wasn't supposed to go through twice. Why can't I have
McLisa's luck with the duplicate posts? <G> Sorry about that, everyone.
And since this puts me over the limit, I'll answer anything else
tomorrow. (Or not, depending on how the 'trex hits me.)
Hugs,
Liz
luckyliz@a.......
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:14:52 -0600
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Meeting FK fans
I've mainly met FK fans online, but I did meet one fan in a different sort of
place.
After LCA3 a couple of us drove down to Niagara Falls and Niagara-on-the-Lake to
do some sightseeing. At LCA I had managed to purchase an FK crew vest, a very
nice black down vest with the FK logo on the back. I was wearing it on our
outing. When I was browsing in the Shaw Festival store in Niagara-on-the-Lake
one of the clerks approached me and asked if I had worked on FK. He commented
that "that show was way too intelligent to last, so the Powers That Be cancelled
it. They just didn't understand anything that wasn't nonstop jiggle-and-sex."
Naturally I warmed up to him immediately. <g>
I showed him the autographs I had collected on the vest (Nigel, Nick Gray, Jon
Cassar, Kathryn Long) and we had a very nice chat about the show, and how sad it
hadn't lasted. He was a very intelligent, thinking fan and had a lot of good
comments. It was a fun conversation. I told him about all the internet fan
activity---who knows if he checked it out, but hey, I was doing my part.
Another fun thing that happened on that outing---while at Niagara Falls I was
approached by a newlywed couple who wanted to know where I bought my vest. They
had never heard of FK, but their name was Knight, and they thought the title was
really kewl. I lent the vest to the bride to have her picture taken in it,
because they were absolutely sure they were "forever Knights." <g>
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:41:57 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Hi Liz,
>Who knows how he'd feel once he'd, er, digested her.
That statement was just TOO funny ;-) (I just came back from lunch in this
part of the world so call it post-meal delirium.)
>Or somewhere in between?
I think it was serious co-dependency and the beginnings of love - in vampire
terms, they had very little time together. I don't know about this "at first
glance soulmate" stuff - He cheated on Nat a little too much with those
"Necks of the Week" - but I do thing given enough time (if Nat had it) they
could have had a relationship that would rival the complexity with Janette.
My $0.02 - I watched somewhat sporadically and it was a while ago.
Sci-fi doesn't run in Singapore.
Ell
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:29:02 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
<Smacks forehead> Sorry folks, didn't mean to post to the list for this.
Ell
>From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:41:57 +0800
>
>Hi Liz,
>
> >Who knows how he'd feel once he'd, er, digested her.
>That statement was just TOO funny ;-) (I just came back from lunch in this
>part of the world so call it post-meal delirium.)
>
> >Or somewhere in between?
>I think it was serious co-dependency and the beginnings of love - in vampire
>terms, they had very little time together. I don't know about this "at first
>glance soulmate" stuff - He cheated on Nat a little too much with those
>"Necks of the Week" - but I do thing given enough time (if Nat had it) they
>could have had a relationship that would rival the complexity with Janette.
>
>My $0.02 - I watched somewhat sporadically and it was a while ago.
>Sci-fi doesn't run in Singapore.
>
>Ell
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:54:46 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
> I always found it very intriquing that Nick was *married* to Janette,
> while he was *cheating* with Natalie in C&C....
They stood everything on its ear for that one.
Janette was a putup house-wife (hardly the self-reliant vampire
we are used to woman we are used to).
Natalie was a sexually aggressive woman who was sleeping
with a married subordinate (check out the gleeful look in her eyes
when she checks the hallway to see if anyone has noticed Nick
entering her apartment, she wanted people to see Nick there).
Cohen was running the Raven.
Schanke was dressed from GQ and a hard-as-nails, totally
business detective.
C&C is one of my favorite episodes just because they let the
characters "play".
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:25:03 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Strange places to meet FK fans (was: People who shouldn't
...)il late at ...
> It kinda makes me wonder what's
> *really* going on at that sub shop!
I know that I wouldn't order the fruit punch :-)
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:30:11 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
> Tim (who now knows why the Caddy is the color that it is
> and needs to write the fan fiction that explains it)
> I would be interested in what your thoughts on the subject would be.
> Nicholas Grey said at LCA3 that they used that color as it was better to
> photo in the night scenes. If you remember in Nick Knight the movie, you
> could barely make out the year of the car because it was black.
I do remember. I actually have a tape of the original show and
watch it on occasion. I'm a bit of a traditionalist and the black
gangster Caddy fits the image of a vampire cop better than
whatever that shade of green was that they had on the 2nd car.
If my muse continues to whisper in my ear, I may yet write the
story that explains why Nicholas (with all his cash) has a car that
is so.... green.
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:43:46 -0500
From: Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Sorry, taking the below slightly out of context, but it relates to something
I've been thinking about lately. I wonder if it's not only Nick that's
"touchy-feely" -- I mean prone to touching and reaching out for
tactile/sensual stimulus. Is it possible that this is an instinct that
becomes enhanced when someone is brought across? I wonder this because
their senses become so much more acute, and being close and touching would
more freely allow one to indulge the sense of smell and touch. If the
impact of these and other heightened senses comes across pleasurably, then
FK vampires would likely unconsciously and consciously, and instinctively
reach out to experience that pleasurable experience. It would certainly
enhance their "seductive" charm -- getting up close and personal, seeming to
be attracted and entranced by the person. Of course, there are additional
explanations for all of this -- the Hunger for blood, if nothing else, and
of course the benefit of a seductive manner in getting prey -- but couldn't
this "need to touch/desire to indulge the senses" be an additional aspect of
their make-up/behaviour?
Portia
----- Original Message -----
<snip> Nick's a very touchy-feely kind of person, so it's hard to judge just
> how much the hug means.<snip>
> Liz the Lucky
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:12:11 -0500
From: Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?
Liz wrote:
*Every* time Nick starts showing a romantic interest in Nat, it's right
after Nat threatens to leave him, one way or
the other. <snip>
Be My Valentine -- Nat talks about how she can see why someone uses a
dating service. Nick drops in and kisses her. (And, personally, I think
there was more than a little truth in Nick's speech at the Azure.)
Well, here's my .02! :-) As I recall, it was the Only the Lonely eps,
where Nat comments on the dating service. In Be my Valentine, she doesn't
threaten to leave, or terminate the search for a cure. In fact, she is more
than happy to continue, ie the vitamin C supplements etc... Nick drops by
her apt. of his own volition and expresses his love to her. There is no
pressure from Nat to change their relationship to one of romance. Quite the
contrary. She is more than willing to continue the search maintaining status
quo as friends. Therefore, there is no reason for Nick to show an act of
hypocrisy with Lacroix at L'Azure, *except* to save her life by lying about
his love for her. Humoring her to find a cure with a false declaration of
love wasn't ever required because she would have continued to help him
anyway. The deceit only needed to be said to Lacroix to save Nat's life.
Liz wrote: Who knows how he'd feel once he'd, er, digested her.
In Last Knight, before Nick drank Nat's blood, he promised they would be
together forever no matter what the outcome. To make a staunch, firm
declaration of promised eternity like that doesn't sound like someone who is
unsure about their feelings and it was said before her blood was coursing
through him. In addition, before the act was consummated, Nick knew of her
desires; to be with him no matter what, in darkness as a vampire, in death
or if the cure worked, as two mortals, that "this would be a beginning not
an end." Therefore, IMHO, Nick's decision to sacrifice his life was based
on his promise to her out of love and the outcome of the act, not her blood.
Just some of my observations.
Patty
N&N packer, Knightie with Dark Tendencies and Light Cousin if he behaves.
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