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FORKNI-L Digest - 29 Oct 2001 to 30 Oct 2001 (#2001-329)

Tue, 30 Oct 2001

There are 37 messages totalling 937 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Religious symbols other than crosses (3)
  2. LaCroix is hiding! (or deserves one.) (2)
  3. religious symbols (2)
  4. Pop Goes the Vampire (10)
  5. religious symbols and vampires
  6. Jen, Queen of Inquiries, Inquires Again (4)
  7. Religious symbols --unconsecrating churches, etc.
  8. war
  9. Vachon's Hand
 10. Vachon's Church (3)
 11. Need some info... (2)
 12. Red Cross/Swis Flag (2)
 13. What's in a name -- that's what I wanna know! (5)

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:29:56 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Religious symbols other than crosses

In a message dated 10/28/01 10:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Jlkerr1228@a....... writes:

<< I'm not a Buddhist, but isn't buddhism actually consider more of a
philosophy of life rather than an actual religion? >>

Perhaps you're thinking of Confuscianism  (sic?)?  Yeah, Buddhism is a
religion.

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:13:23 -0800
From:    Eric McCann <egmccann@t.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix is hiding! (or deserves one.)

At 12:15 PM 10/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>WHERE can you get that LaCroix water?!  WE've been all over this silly
>country and *still* can't find the stuff!  suggestions please?
>                              'Rose


IIRC, I've seen it in Sentry Foods (Wisconsin) and Fred Meyer or Pick and
Save (Oregon, and WI for the second.)

It's around.

-Eric

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:12:46 -0600
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Re: religious symbols

Adding another tuppence...

Did the sun image which kept Divia locked up in her tomb affect Lacroix?  I
don't remember it doing so.  Just another wrench into the collection....

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
Attracted to older men.  Like, say, Lacroix.
(Evil archetypes are much more interesting than hero characters!)
"I love you all. And I want all of you... to love me"--the Nightcrawler

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:25:58 -0600
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Pop Goes the Vampire

Portia wrote about Vachon's hand:

>I suspect the hand would not have existed for long -- turning to
>dust

Speaking of which, what happens to the FK vamps when they die?  I know they
probably don't 'dust' like in Buffy because (I think; I'm going off memory
here) Lacroix was going to build Divia a funeral pyre.  Do they decompose
really quickly?  Does it depend on age?  Will Jen ever stop asking
questions?  (Not likely to that last one. ;o) )

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
Attracted to older men.  Like, say, Lacroix.
(Evil archetypes are much more interesting than hero characters!)
"I love you all. And I want all of you... to love me"--the Nightcrawler

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:28:38 +0800
From:    urtikit mindless <urtikit@m.......>
Subject: Re: religious symbols and vampires

Moe wrote:
>For example, there was one scene where Nick is on the floor in his loft
>examining Tarot cards. All good and well but the BACK of the cards as shown
>to the camera showed the upright circled pentagram of Wicca. IOW this Tarot
>deck is the Witch's Tarot, while the front of the cards was
>a more medieval design, another deck entirely. IOW a religious symbol.

I'm not sure I understand.  Were there two decks of cards? Or was it
one deck that someone made incorrectly?

>Also the jade cups in "Dark Knight" were ceremonial, religious objects.

But weren't the jade cups used as part of a bloody human-sacrifice ritual?
Maybe that's why they weren't particularly ... vampire-repellent.

Kit
urtikit@m.......
--

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:52:55 -0800
From:    Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@m.......>
Subject: Re: religious symbols

Jen asked:
> Did the sun image which kept Divia locked up in her tomb affect Lacroix?  I
> don't remember it doing so.  Just another wrench into the collection....

We don't know, since we never saw him put it on. So it might have burned
him. Or he might have grabbed it with something and it still burned him.
Or he might have fashioned tongs of some sort to touch it. Or....

Or maybe that's what really happened to his eyebrows. <g,d,rlh>

Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky
luckyliz@m.......
http://www.luckyliz.crosswinds.net/ForeverKnight/
Butt-kickin' for Goodness!!!!!!!!!!

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:53:05 -0600
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Jen, Queen of Inquiries, Inquires Again

I really ought to be practicing my flute solo about now, but I've been
captivated by the list....

I'm sure Lacroix would love The Sims... he would enjoy playing in people's
lives without physical or emotional damage when he gets tired of being
rebuffed by Nick.

Back in the way old days (hey, I'm under 30, I can say it ;o) ), would Nick
have been responsible for his sister?  Why did she send Andre to him after
she died--was there something wrong with her husband?  Is it valid to assume
that his whole male family went to the Crusades?

Who is Nick's mother figure?  He has Lacroix for a father, Tracy for a
sister... would he be turning to Natalie for a mothering-lover relationship?

Speaking of emotional figures... on whom does Natalie rely?  She has very
little family, so I suppose it makes sense for her to attach herself
passionately to work, work on Nick, and Nick.  Anyone else?

Do the vampires by-and-large hold the same ideals of their youth as the
basis for their personalities?  I'm thinking so, and I'd like someone better
versed in that to corroborate or berate.  ;o)

I know in My Boyfriend is a Vampire there's a shot of Tracy walking down the
hallway in the studio, and she's wearing a relatively restrictive skirt.  Is
there some sort of dress code that says non-uniforms need to wear something
in which they can run, or is it just assumed that homicide detectives won't
be doing much in the beating-up department?

I'm signing off now, really.  If I think of anything else to ask, it'll have
to wait.  :o)  And happy birthday to Andy!

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
Attracted to older men.  Like, say, Lacroix.
(Evil archetypes are much more interesting than hero characters!)
"I love you all. And I want all of you... to love me"--the Nightcrawler

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:56:30 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix is hiding! (or deserves one.)

Here in Reno, you can buy it at Winco Foods or at Smith's Food and Drug.
I've occasionally seen it at McFrugal's (aka Pic-N-Save), too.

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:45:23 -0500
From:    clarkcindy <clarkcindy@m.......>
Subject: Re: Religious symbols --unconsecrating churches, etc.

Sorry for replying to this on the list, but I don't have Catherine's addy.

However, I do remember seeing in a vampire/horror spoof movie (don't remember
the name or much about it) where a Jewish lad pulls out a Star of David to
repel a vampire.

You might be thinking of "Love at First Bite", where Dr. Rosenberg threatens
Dracula with the Star of David and Vlad shies back anticipating a cross.  He
makes a comment about Dr. Rosenberg being a nice Jewish boy to which
Rosenberg responds, "Oh. Darn.  It's the other one, isn't it."

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Date:    Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:30:47 -0600
From:    Cousin Tok <tokaara@m.......>
Subject: Re: war

At 05:48 AM 10/29/01, Tracey Rayner typed these words:
>Just wondering with all the talk of hair dying if there are any plans for
>the next war?  I really enjoyed war 11, and am hoping to help bake some more
>jalapeno chocolate cookies in the next one :)

You have to at least allow enough time for the faction leaders to not
twitch anymore when you mention the word "war" ...

<twitch>

:-)



Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@m....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:42:25 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Jen, Queen of Inquiries, Inquires Again

>Back in the way old days (hey, I'm under 30, I can say it ;o) ), would Nick
>have been responsible for his sister?

Depends on the law of Brabant at the time. In some places, no, he wouldn't have
been responsible once she was of age. In others, yes.

> Why did she send Andre to him after
>she died--was there something wrong with her husband?

Her husband has to have been dead, because otherwise she would have had no say
in where Andre was sent. Having her make arrangements to send Andre after her
death is an anachronism, because under the feudal system, no parent had the
right to appoint his children's guardian. That was one of the lord's rights
because of the property and financial matters involved. What she does imperils
Andre's right to inherit. Normally for a child who wasn't a peasant and was left
without parents, the overlord would take him into his own household. The only
other possibility is that she really is closely related to the Duke of Brabant
and had persuaded him to allow Andre to be sent to Nicholas.

>  Is it valid to assume that his whole male family went to the Crusades?

Possible, but not likely. More likely, his father was dead and what I suggested
about the Duke is true.

>Do the vampires by-and-large hold the same ideals of their youth as the
>basis for their personalities?  I'm thinking so, and I'd like someone better
>versed in that to corroborate or berate.  ;o)

I'd say yes in the FK universe, but that's debatable.


Mclisa

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:58:14 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Jen, Queen of Inquiries, Inquires Again

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jen Harding" <jensharding@h.......>

> Speaking of emotional figures... on whom does Natalie rely?  She has very
> little family, so I suppose it makes sense for her to attach herself
> passionately to work, work on Nick, and Nick.  Anyone else?

I would say Grace is a possibility, at least as much as she
can rely on someone considering she can't tell them about
Nick, which is probably the main thing she would need
emotional support for.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:33:10 -0600
From:    Tracy Sue <tracysue@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon's Hand

Rose wrote:
<<I'd say that plastic surgery would do no good, but he wanted his hand back
for the sheer amount of time and energy it would take to grow the darn thing
back. He is lazy after all.>>

/me pulls out the wiffle bat o' doom<tm>
<thwap>

Slackerly.  Not lazy.  Let's be polite.  ;)


---Tracy Sue
--- tracysue@i.......
---Vachon's Sanctuary: www.geocities.com/tracysuemorris/sanctuary.html
--- The Inca's Mother Moon: www.geocities.com/tracysuemorris/mothermoon.html

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:55:30 -0800
From:    phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Re: Jen, Queen of Inquiries, Inquires Again

--- Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen Harding" <jensharding@h.......>
>
> > Speaking of emotional figures... on whom does Natalie rely?  She has very
> > little family, so I suppose it makes sense for her to attach herself
> > passionately to work, work on Nick, and Nick. Anyone else?

"Meow"  How about Sidney?  Phylis

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:10:45 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Vachon's Church

I was curious about the situation with Vachon's church,
how it was possible for him to live in it, and about any
"deconsecrating" ritual for a building being abandoned,
so I went to the horse's mouth: I asked a priest. <g>

We had the same situation here in my small city back in
the 60's, a lovely but small brick gothic revival church
which the parish had far outgrown, so they built a new,
much larger church.  Father Fred said he wasn't here
then, but he wasn't aware of a particular ceremony
for deconsecration.  He said the removal of the
Blessed Sacrament was sufficient to accomplish this.

I would still think that by the theory of objects retaining
the faith and devotion that was directed at them, the
church, even without the Host in it, would be vampire
repelent.  Oh well, as Mr. Bennett himself said at
AggieCon a few years ago : "Continuity was never a
strongpoint." <g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:47:16 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Need some info...

Two of my FK tapes have vanished, so I can't watch the ep and find out
for myself (my husband and kids are all claiming ignorance).  What did
Andre call Nick in the flashbacks in 'Fallen Idol'?  Was it Uncle
Nicholas, or something else?
Thanks!

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:11:13 -0800
From:    Boomer <jerezfino@y.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

--- Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......> wrote:

> Speaking of which, what happens to the FK vamps when
> they die?

One of FK's numerous continuity flaws...in first
season's ILCK, Nick tells Natalie that vampires
disappear when they die. However...we later see
vampires die in AFWTD, Fever and AtA and their bodies
don't disappear.

Cheesy rationalizations anyone?

:) Boomer

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:59:59 -0800
From:    Janice Cox <jancox@m.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon's Church

Maybe after a long enough time of disuse and (probably more important) being
abandoned by the faithful a de-sacramented church would lose its "charge."
It would be funny to see a single old parishioner start showing up to
pray--might mean Vachon would have to find a new place to stay.

Keeping the light on just in case ;-)

Janice



Laurie of the Isles said:

<snip>
He said the removal of the Blessed Sacrament was sufficient to accomplish
this.
<snip>
I would still think that by the theory of objects retaining the faith and
devotion that was directed at them, the church, even without the Host in it,
would be vampire repelent.

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:00:53 EST
From:    Meliss9900@a.......
Subject: Re: Vachon's Church

In a message dated 10/30/01 9:11:04 AM Central Standard Time,
Laudon1965@c....... writes:

<< I would still think that by the theory of objects retaining
 the faith and devotion that was directed at them, the
 church, even without the Host in it, would be vampire
 repelent.  Oh well, as Mr. Bennett himself said at
 AggieCon a few years ago : "Continuity was never a
 strongpoint." <g> >>

Or it could be the placebo effect.  Nick, LC ect believe that the religious
symbols are repellant to them but Vachon doesn't.

Melissa
Visit my EZboards at <A HREF="http://pub80.ezboard.com/fsingularytoddianfrm1">
Penthouse 2</A> (a Todd Manning bbd) or <A
HREF="http://pub95.ezboard.com/bcravingcaleb">The Catacombs</A> (dedicated to
PC's creature of the night  Caleb Morley)

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:05:24 -0800
From:    Janice Cox <jancox@m.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

Heck, Nick didn't said *when* they disappeared. It might be hours, or even
days. Or it might vary according to how they died--I could sorta see how
dying from something other than violence (aka Fever) might leave a body
behind...for a while.

Hey, you asked for cheesy rationalizations. <g> Wouldn't it be wonderful if
every show had a thorough show bible? And stuck to it? I'm in awe of
"Babylon 5"--there were some minor goofs (usually due to filming/editing)
but JMS kept everything straight for five seasons. Wow.

Janice


Boomer said:

One of FK's numerous continuity flaws...in first season's ILCK, Nick tells
Natalie that vampires disappear when they die. However...we later see vampires
die in AFWTD, Fever and AtA and their bodies don't disappear.

Cheesy rationalizations anyone?

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:22:11 -0800
From:    Janice Cox <jancox@m.......>
Subject: Re: Need some info...

In their first scene together he calls Nick 'Nicola.'

Janice

There's something very weird going on here...

Fan Fiction and Internet Humor at:
http://www.coxwebs.net/jancox/


<<Two of my FK tapes have vanished, so I can't watch the ep and find out
for myself (my husband and kids are all claiming ignorance).  What did
Andre call Nick in the flashbacks in 'Fallen Idol'?  Was it Uncle
Nicholas, or something else?
Thanks!

KC Smith>>

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:26:16 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Religious symbols other than crosses

>It's just occurred to me that Nick is able to be around the Red Cross
>symbol and even drive a jeep with it on the hood in Can't Run, Can't Hide.
>This makes more sense if it's because Nick sees the white cross on the red
>background as a logo rather than a cross.

The Red Cross says that their symbol is, indeed, a logo and not a religious
emblem. It's merely the Swiss flag with the colours reversed. Vamps have
got to know the difference, or they'd never be able to handle the letters t
& x !!

What about the metre-tall gold-colored Buddha statue seen in "Cherry
Blossoms" (both in the flashbacks & in the present day)? Perhaps it's a
symbol of Ch'an (aka Zen) Buddhism, which (if I understand correctly)
doesn't venerate the Buddha so much as use him as a subject of meditation &
inspiration?

Finally, the jade cups. Perhaps they weren't used in a religious ritual,
but a magical one? Anthropologists distinguish between magic & religion. In
religion, deities are petitioned for the desired result, which may or may
not happen. In magic, materials are manipulated in the appropriate way, and
if it is all done correctly, the desired result will definitely happen. So
in magic, the magician is in control; in religion, the deity (or deities)
is in charge. Yet, since both use symbols & rituals, an outsider could
easily confuse one for the other.

Pass the mild cheddar, please; I just can't seem to get rid of this craving
for cheese...

Your humble & obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:07:30 -0400
From:    T Floyd <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

----- Original Message -----
From: "Boomer" <jerezfino@y.......>

: One of FK's numerous continuity flaws...in first season's ILCK, Nick
: tells Natalie that vampires disappear when they die. However...we later see
: vampires die in AFWTD, Fever and AtA and their bodies don't disappear.

Yes, when vampires die their bodies disappear.  In AFWTD, Fever, and AtA
their bodies didn't disappear but were rather buried--so the conclusion is
obvious--right RatPackers?

LapLor

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:20:02 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

In a message dated Tue, 30 Oct 2001  1:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, T Floyd
<tfloyd@n.......> writes:

> Yes, when vampires die their bodies disappear.  In AFWTD, Fever, and AtA
> their bodies didn't disappear but were rather buried--so the conclusion is
> obvious--right RatPackers?

Wot ya jammy-jammin' h'at??? Tha' poor ol' Screed h'ain't dun h'in, 'e's jest
takin' a napsy-shut h'eye wot ta sleep h'it h'off?

'Course 'e h'iz!!! Jest h'ask the weeeeeee lil' ratsies!

Libs
*Keeper o' the Ratsie Wot Made Screed Take a Nap*

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Date:    Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:25:17 -0500
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

> One of FK's numerous continuity flaws...in first
> season's ILCK, Nick tells Natalie that vampires
> disappear when they die. However...we later see
> vampires die in AFWTD, Fever and AtA and their bodies
> don't disappear.
>
> Cheesy rationalizations anyone?
>
> :) Boomer

I've often wondered about that myself.  Maybe they all do disappear, but it
takes a different amount of time.  For example (off the top of my head), maybe
whether or not they had recently fed before being killed would make the time
vary for the body to disappear.  Or maybe the age of the vampire?  Just
guessing here (but trying to do it an educated sort of way).

Grace
aka knightfangs

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Date:    Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:44:31 -0500
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: Religious symbols other than crosses

> Finally, the jade cups. Perhaps they weren't used in a religious ritual,
> but a magical one? Anthropologists distinguish between magic & religion. In
> religion, deities are petitioned for the desired result, which may or may
> not happen. In magic, materials are manipulated in the appropriate way, and
> if it is all done correctly, the desired result will definitely happen. So
> in magic, the magician is in control; in religion, the deity (or deities)
> is in charge. Yet, since both use symbols & rituals, an outsider could
> easily confuse one for the other.

Not trying to offend anyone here, especially anyone who's a practicing Wiccan,
but there are those who believe that magic and alchemy are evil and are works
of the devil (I know as I have to constantly put up with this sort of talk from
my brother-in-law who's Christian - as he calls himself.  Like being Catholic,
as he was born, isn't.  Anyway, since he has found God and according to my
husband and m-i-l he now follows the Episcopalian (sp?) faith, anything having
to do with magic, vampires, Islam, etc, are all devil-related and are wrong.
Just wondering if maybe this is the reason that Nick and LaCroix didn't have
any reaction to the Jade Cups.  Or could it be the whole idea of a religion
that follows multiple divinities like LC in his mortal days?  Hmmm.......more
to ponder.

Grace
aka knightfangs

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:32:53 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Red Cross/Swis Flag

I just had a vision of Nick or LaCroix out flying one night, passing close to a
Swissair plane (they all have the Swiss flag, white cross on a red background,
on the tail) and taking a nasty fall. :)

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:42:13 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Red Cross/Swis Flag

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa McDavid" <mclisa@m.......>


> I just had a vision of Nick or LaCroix out flying one night, passing close
> to a Swissair plane (they all have the Swiss flag, white cross on a red
> background, on the tail) and taking a nasty fall. :)
>

And tumbling Earthward to that "YA-ha-ha-hooey!"
Disney sound effect. <vbg>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:24:50 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

> > One of FK's numerous continuity flaws...in first
> > season's ILCK, Nick tells Natalie that vampires
> > disappear when they die. However...we later see
> > vampires die in AFWTD, Fever and AtA and their bodies
> > don't disappear.
> >
> > Cheesy rationalizations anyone?
        Here, try this one on for size.
        The later the show, the more solid the vampires are in Toronto.
LaCroix disappears into basically a puff of dust in Dark Knight.  By
Last Knight, we're got them burying "normal" corpses.
        I blame Natalie and Nick.
        You see, Natalie kept giving Nick those god-aweful Protein
shakes and vitimans and stuff to make him more human.
        What did Nick do with them?  After a disgusted sip, he pored
them down the sink.
        The sink is connected to the sewer.
        Screed lives in the sewer.
        Screed absorbed the magic of Natalie's concoctions - thus
becoming more moral since he was actually exposed to more of
the stuff that Natalie had made then Nick ever was.
        Vachon and Screed were old friends and crewmates.  So,
Screed "innoculated" Vachon - I'll leave the Unnamed FAction to
have fun with that one - and then Vachon innoculated Urs.
        Urs and Vachon together pretty well "innoculated" the Raven.
And no vampire worth the name would ever go to Toronto without
stopping by the Raven, so all of them got cured.
        So, the further into the series' run you are, the more Natalie's
"cures" have "stabalized" the vampire condition, the more solid the
corpses are and the less likely they are to disappear into a puff of
dust.
        Pass the Monteray Jack.
                Tim
 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:39:17 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: What's in a name -- that's what I wanna know!

Speaking of this, I was wondering a few days ago why LaCroix calls Nick
"Nicholas?"  Isn't that an "anglo" pronunciation?  Just what was Nick's name?
Did his mama call him Nicholas?  Did his sister?  I can't remember, but if they
did, then I guess that is what they named him (and that is where LaCroix got
the habit).  If so, though, then why -- was his mama British, or something like
that?  I mean, basically, why does only Janette call him "Nicolas" (if that
isn't what his family called him)?

And where did Gwynetth (wasn't that the druid chickie's name?) get the
pronounciation "Nicole" (or however it should be spelled)?

I guess what I really need to know is what his family called him, and that can
be the basis for the rest of my speculations (except for that Nicole thing --
is that supposed to be *Gaelic*???)  If his family didn't call him Nicholas,
then I can perhaps start imagining all kinds of weird scenarios for why LC
adopted the habit.... "g"

Portia

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
> What did Andre call Nick in the flashbacks in 'Fallen Idol'?  Was it Uncle
> Nicholas, or something else?
> Thanks!
> KC Smith

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:53:34 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

Umm, I'm gonna jump into the deep end and give this a try....maybe he just meant
they tend to decay much faster than a normal corpse (i.e. "disappear").  If it
only takes 3 - 4 days, or even 3 weeks for a corpse to become utterly corrupted,
and perhaps turn to dust, that is still going to get noticed if anyone is around
to watch.  Or maybe the corpse doesn't corrupt, but just desiccates relatively
quickly?

As for burying or burning a vampire corpse, well, those are means of showing
respect for the deceased -- even if the person doing it knows the corpse
wouldn't stay intact very long anyway....

Portia, trying to move some cheese.... "g"

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
> Cheesy rationalizations anyone?
>
> :) Boomer

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:59:56 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

Oh, if there is an award for best, most cheesy answer, Tim, I think you should
win hands down!!!  This was perfect (and hilarious)!  I think you've just about
convinced me.... "g"

Portia

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
        So, the further into the series' run you are, the more Natalie's "cures"
have "stabalized" the vampire condition, the more solid the corpses are and the
less likely they are to disappear into a puff of dust.
        Pass the Monteray Jack.
                Tim
 Tim Phillips

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:05:09 -0600
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the Vampire

This thread coincides with something I'd been wondering about... the stake
in Night in Question. Lacroix seems to be gradually decaying ("peeling", as
my little cousin put it), and implies that, if the stake is not removed, he
will die. At the time I thought this had to do with the age of the
vampire--or perhaps Lacroix's own iron-willed determination to cheat
death--but then Tim mentioned that Lacroix disappeared into "a puff of dust"
in Dark Knight (which is somewhere under a pile of whatsits and thingamabobs
in the living room, thanks to fall cleaning, so I can't go look over it
right now).

Thoughts, anyone? The only things I can think of are that the fire was a
factor (the stake in DK was on fire, was it not?) or that perhaps the
Russian soldier wasn't a particularly good aim...

Eve.

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:11:47 -0800
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: What's in a name -- that's what I wanna know!

Wasn't "Nicola" the French pronounciation?  Not sure if spelling is
right.

Emily

--- Portia Eins <portia1@m.......> wrote:
> Speaking of this, I was wondering a few days ago why LaCroix calls
> Nick "Nicholas?"  Isn't that an "anglo" pronunciation?  Just what
> was Nick's name?  Did his mama call him Nicholas?  Did his sister?

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:30:30 -0800
From:    Jarvinia <rabevampir@y.......>
Subject: Re: What's in a name -- that's what I wanna know!

--- Portia Eins <portia1@m.......> wrote:
> Just what was Nick's name?  Did his mama call him Nicholas?
> Did his sister?

I think it's spelled Nicolas...pronounced Nicola.  And yes, in Be My
Valentine when he arrives home both Fleur and Nick's mother call him
Nicolas.

Jarvinia

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:38:06 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: What's in a name -- that's what I wanna know!

Okay, then, what's with LaCroix?  Was "Nicholas" the name of his favorite pet
Gaul, back in the day? "eg" Or one of his old drinking buddies?  Hmmm...or
maybe, considering he gave Nick a "new life," perhaps he felt it was fitting
that he have a new name -- or as his "creator," LC felt it was his right to
give him a new name, and so, in effect, to re-christian him?

Seems that, more often than not, Nick went along with LaCroix' pronounciation
when creating pseudonyms....

Portia

Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
And yes, in Be My Valentine when he arrives home both Fleur and Nick's mother
call him Nicolas.

Jarvinia

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Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:55:01 -0600
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: What's in a name -- that's what I wanna know!

>Okay, then, what's with LaCroix?

I have heard LaCroix call Nick "Nicolas", I'm sure of it. I remember because
it struck me as odd that he should do it one time and not others. I keep
thinking it was NiQ because that's the one I watched last, but it could be
almost anything because I've been making a Nick/Lacroix music vid so I've
watched tons of clips over the past little while.

Eve.

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