FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Jun 2001 to 13 Jun 2001 (#2001-186)
Wed, 13 Jun 2001
There are 28 messages totalling 793 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. a perfect commercial + no war help (3)
2. WAR: Diehards?
3. Basic Listserv Questions (2)
4. no war help
5. war: was Re: [FORKNI-L] Admin: War topic reminder
6. WAR: Limiting Factions and Individuals
7. FK domain name (3)
8. Admin: war settings
9. Virus Apologies
10. SciFi Channel Staffing Changes
11. Admin: Apology
12. WAR: Limiting Factions and mixed metaphors? (2)
13. KtK auction update - Wednesday
14. Quick Question
15. Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers (6)
16. KtK info needed (2)
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:47:20 -0600
From: "B. Stone" <STONEB@g.......>
Subject: a perfect commercial + no war help
I recently saw a commercial for a product that would be a natural for
a sponsor for FK (I forget what channel was on). It was for a tooth
whitener called "Forever White".
Also, please help me; I need a review. How do you arrange not to receive
war posts? Thanks!
B. Stone
stoneb@g.......
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:58:47 -0500
From: CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: a perfect commercial + no war help
I did this.
Marci C.
At 05:47 PM 6/12/2001 -0600,B. Stone wrote:
>Also, please help me; I need a review. How do you arrange not to receive
>war posts? Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:38:13 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: a perfect commercial + no war help
I wondered what vampires used to whiten their fangs with <g>
Emily
--- "B. Stone" <STONEB@g.......> wrote:
> I recently saw a commercial for a product that would be a natural
> for a sponsor for FK (I forget what channel was on). It was for a
> tooth whitener called "Forever White".
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:01:49 -0600
From: Laura R <larug@e.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Diehards?
At 12:52 AM -0700 6/12/2001, Della Morse wrote:
>Diehards and/or Independents playing?
>
yes we are playing. i set up a e-list at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FkWar11_DieHard-Indie so we can
discuss things.
Since the war-mistress has declared that independents had to play as
die-hards, both factions are covered by this one list.
We still need a faction leader; or at least someone willing to be on
the faction leader list (someone who has time and internet access
during the day would be good).
--
Laura Ruggiero <larug@e.......> <SCA name: Thalia Lavalle>
<AIM ID: larug67>
"percussive maintenance": the fine art of whacking a device to get it working
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:19:43 -0700
From: Stealth Mom <eleventhwarrior@y.......>
Subject: Basic Listserv Questions
I just queried both lists but didn't see (or maybe
didn't understand) the commands for limiting topics.
Sorry to be so dumb, but how does one limit the FKFIC
topics to "War"? (Presumably the same command will
apply to FORKNI-L, a limitation I want to set when the
war gets going.)
Please DO reply on list because others may not know or
remember these commands.
Thanks,
Stealth Mom
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:22:15 +0600
From: Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: Re: no war help
On 12 Jun 2001, B. Stone wrote:
> Also, please help me; I need a review. How do you arrange not to receive
> war posts? Thanks!
Paste the following two lines into a message addressed to
<listserv@l.......>
set forkni-l topics: -war
set fkfic-l topics: -war
If you want to make sure you receive War posts use these tow lines
set forkni-l topics: +war
set fkfic-l topics: +war
Don Fasig, FK List Gardener
Argent@e....... ---,-<@
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/war9ldrs.htm - FK War 9
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/fk-lists.htm - Subscription Help
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:22:18 -0400
From: g4akl@c.......
Subject: war: was Re: [FORKNI-L] Admin: War topic reminder
At 07:02 AM 6/12/01 -0700, mclisa wrote:
>Just a reminder -- if your post is about the upcoming war, you
>must begin your subject line with the word war and a colon.
>Like this: war:
Just to add something to what mclisa said, some people choose to
set their topics to "-other +war" so that they get ONLY the
war posts. So without war: in the subject line you might be
missing some of the audience that you wanted to target with your
message.
Arletta
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:30:02 -0400
From: g4akl@c.......
Subject: Re: Basic Listserv Questions
At 07:19 PM 6/12/01 -0700, you wrote:
>but how does one limit the FKFIC and forkni
>topics to "War"? Please DO reply on list because others may not know or
>remember these commands.
>Stealth Mom
If you want to receive ONLY the war posts send a message to
<listserv@l.......> containing the commands:
set forkni-l topics: -other
set forkni-l topics: +war
and repeat for fkfic-l.
Arletta
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:56:55 EDT
From: Gwyneth Meirionfa <FKWarmistress@a.......>
Subject: WAR: Limiting Factions and Individuals
The number of posts during the last few wars has grown to unmanageable
levels. (Per McLisa.)
The number of factions has grown hugely in the past few wars, leading to more
and more posts. Limiting factions and independents is one method of trying to
get war posts back to reasonable levels.
Given that attacks cannot be refused, so many factions has also led to
situations where certain factions are 'overattacked." I know of one faction
that had seven attacks on their HQ last war. Since attacks cannot be ignored,
this faction ended up spending most of their time writing attack responses.
Posting levels is also the reason for restricting getting to TO posts to one
per faction.
The factions participating in war XI are quite diverse. Many individuals have
multi-faction interests, but pick one for the war. This does not mean they
ignore other factional loyalties; indeed, this conflict often leads to
interesting stories. Most participating factions are broad enough to reflect
diverse interests and opinions, and you're likely to find a few like-minded
individuals within. Say you think LaCroix and Janette should be together. As
a Cousin or a Raven, there's no reason why you can't develop a storyline
focusing on that relationship.
Gwyneth Meirionfa
War XI Warmistress
Gwyneth Meirionfa
War XI Warmistress
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:58:33 -0700
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: FK domain name
Just thought I'd share this, as I'd neglected it for a
while.
Sony finally renewed the foreverknight.com domain in
May, but only for 1 year.
If they aren't going to do something more useful with
it, though, I wish they'd let it go. It'd be a great
jumping off page for the entire fandom.
Oh, well. TPTB have never done what we wanted them
to!
-Carla
N&N Packer
copper6500@y.......
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:03:01 -0700
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: war settings
Send a message to listserv@l....... with no signature or
subject and the command set forkni-l topics:-war. Don't put in
the period and don't try to give the command by replying to this
or any other post from the list. For Fkfic-l, do the same thing
with that listname.
Please also remember that if you can't get something to work,
just write to me and I can do it for you.
If you are on Fkfic-l, and aren't sure about your settings, the
simplest thing to do is to set your options again. If you
already have the setting you want, you will get a listserv
message saying that the option is already in effect.
Send a message to the same address, and substitute the name
Fkfic-l for Forkni-l. To set your options so you get the war,
give the command set fkfic-l topics:+war.
Please forgive an oversensitive and at the moment overworked by
RL :) listowner but I did give this information last week.
Should I make a point of sending it at intervals until the war
is over?
Thanks.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:34:59 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK domain name
Yes! That's a great idea. Assuming they will let us use it. I
mean, other fandoms have sites that are actually maintained like that
-- startrek.com, for example.
I've recently seen .co advertised (It's actually the Columbia domain
name), but some companies are snatching it up because people make
typos and forget the m in com. That's another idea.
Emily
--- Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......> wrote:
> Sony finally renewed the foreverknight.com domain in
> May, but only for 1 year. ... It'd be a great
> jumping off page for the entire fandom.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:41:31 -0400
From: clarkcindy <clarkcindy@e.......>
Subject: Virus Apologies
I need to apologize to everyone on the list who recently got caught in my
not so little virus problem. As I explained to McLisa and Don, I caught the
virus when it went through the list the first time and accidentally turned
it loose again when trying to clear it from my system. When it got loose,
it apparently sent some very rude attachments with it to some of you on the
list. Please be assured that none of these attachments were written by me,
and I sincerely apologize to any and all who were offended by receiving said
attachments.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:11:33 -0400
From: clarkcindy <clarkcindy@e.......>
Subject: SciFi Channel Staffing Changes
From SciFi Channel Newsletter #216.
Thought this might be of interest concerning the TPTB.
The SCI FI Channel has promoted Thomas P. Vitale to senior vice president,
acquisitions, scheduling and program planning. Most recently, Vitale was
vice president of acquisitions and scheduling, a position he had held since
early 2000. In his new position, Vitale will add program planning to his
responsibilities, while continuing to oversee the network's aggressive
buying and scheduling efforts.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:49:32 -0700
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: Apology
I have just realized that I did _not_ give instructions before
now on how to limit topics to war only. Arletta's method is
fine. Another way is the same message to listserv@l.......
with no subject or signature, and the command set forkni-l
topics:war. Don't put a period at the end. When you give a
topics command without the plus or minus sign, it sets your
topics so that you get _only_ the one in the command.
I apologize for being ungracious before.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:11:42 -0700
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK domain name
I was wondering if they where referring to themselves with that
"evil*never*dies" line on the page.
=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:33:25 EDT
From: WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: WAR: Limiting Factions and mixed metaphors?
In a message dated 6/13/01 3:57:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
FKWarmistress@a....... writes:
<< The number of factions has grown hugely in the past few wars, leading to more
and more posts. Limiting factions and independents is one method of trying to
get war posts back to reasonable levels. >>
I think this is a good idea. This reminds me of a road rally - as much as
everyone loves the organized chaos and we all think, "the more the merrier,"
at some point you have to stop accepting applications or it turns into one
big traffic jam. Is that an analogy?
I'd have preferred to play with Caddywhacks in War 9 but there were not enuff
Cads available to have a faction. So I played with the Ravens. And hey, the
Ravens were more than happy to let me go steal the car and joyride around
town in it. For newer factions, or very small groups, find a crowd that is
in some way tangent to your special interest. Our faction asked everyone
upfront, 'tell me if any of you has a special war fantasy you want to play
out' and we did our best to accomodate, ambushes notwithstanding. In the
end, if you are crazy enuff to write it, the deed is done.
And for newbies and for those "concerned" about the War/WM semantics limiting
their fun pleeeeease remember; war online is very difficult to explain. I
remember readiing the instructions the first time and thinking, and I
paraphrase here, "#%&*(^$#&()^!!!!!?????????!" So if you *haven't* played,
don't sweat it. It really does work. If you *have* played before, don't you
sweat it either because it works and you should know that already.
(Rah rah cheerleading section of post :)
Remember -
The premise is not there to *control*, it is merely an excuse to party in
TO.
The premise is there to inspire you, not tire you.
The premise helps you take off, not be put off.
The WM is *not* there to rap your knuckles every five minutes, only there
to throw cold water on you if you post a story that sounded really great
after 6 days without sleep and <omig> it was 4 a.m. Sat. morning and gee that
seemed like a really good idea at the time and what was I thinking and in the
end thank goodness the WM has cosmic vampiric powers over time and space and
can reverse time and undue the post and once I sober up or wake up or quit
drinking so much Ribena before the sun is up over the yardarm I'll be
grateful she did. After 7 days of war, this is exactly the sort of insane
drivel your brain will churn out, too. And you are not getting rapped for
story "plots" but for violating protocols that keep the timeline and civility
flowing like the Rhine.
And some groups just use the premise as a cover for whatever dasturdly
deeds they intend to commit. I don't think the Mercs ever even tried to find
Nat's notebook in War 9. I think they spent to whole time in their basement
tormenting the RP and doing cloning experiments. So don't get all bent
outta joint about the premise.
Casting T. F. Stone / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:41:49 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: WAR: Limiting Factions and mixed metaphors?
In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001 1:35:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
WRDRR@a....... writes:
<< And some groups just use the premise as a cover for whatever dasturdly
deeds they intend to ommit<snip> I think they spent to whole time in their
basement tormenting the RP and doing cloning experiments.>>
Ratpacker OPPRESSHUN! Tha's wot h'it h'iz. The Ratsie sorts don't get no respite
h'or re-speckle-bill-n'-'ave-some-tea durin' Wars. (Guess tha's wot ya get when
ya work fer cheesie poofs n' shiney-pretty thingees o' h'all-licorice-sorts.
*sniff*
Oi nearly got 'ung by the neck h'a few Wars ago, Oi did. Mean o' Mercs put me
h'on trial wot fer inno-cents thingees. Then Screed h'ate me witnesses. Took a
last minute save wot ta save me Ratsie neck, h'it did.
Mean o' Mercs!
Inny thingee wot kin 'appen h'in a war duz, an' kin fit h'inta most inny
premmy-nose.
Libs
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:42:34 EDT
From: Knightwave@a.......
Subject: KtK auction update - Wednesday
A bit better guys. <g>
If your bid didn't show up, most likely someone came in with a higher one.
If you see that isn't the case, Please let me know. I'll be sure to make the
change as soon as I'm made aware of it. <g>
There are plenty of scripts offered, all of them in hand this time. Several
new things, as well as another prop from the show are offered this time
too. Check out the KtK web page for links to the auction or go to <A
HREF="http://ktk.8m.com/auction-start.html">auction</A>
(( http://ktk.8m.com/auction-start.html )) for the auction page. Directions
for PayPal are there if you decide that is the way to go to obtain one of
these gems. <g>
Please let me know if you spot an error. Sometimes I get to typing too fast.
<g>
Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:00pm
new # 1 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne Dying to Know You Script
# 2 $ 15.00 Karen Only the Lonely script
# 3 $ 10.00 Karen Feeding the Beast script
# 4 $ 10.00 Karen Love You to Death script
# 5 $ 35.00 Vicky Last Knight script
tie # 6 $ 20.00 Vamp1228 Father's Day script
# 6 $ 20.00 Sunny " " "
# 7 $ 25.00 Vicky Blackwing script
# 8 $ 15.00 LaCroix Son of Belial script
# 9 $ 25.00 Vicky Ribena package
new #10 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne Tracy poster
new #11 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne Nick & Schanke poster
#12 $100.00 NdB Raven matchbook prop
#13 $ 30.00 Gail Sweatshirt package
new #14 $ 10.00 Heather-Anne T-shirt package
#15 $ 15.00 Stephanie Kapelos Autographed photo
new #16 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne FK book package
#17 $ 15.00 Stephanie Button collection
new #18 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne Play 'Art' program book
#19 $ 5.00 Linda FK clutch purse
#20 $ 15.00 LaCroix Movie 'The Skulls'
new #21 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne Ger package with autograph
tie #22 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne Nigel picture package
#22 $ 5.00 Vamp1228 " " "
new #23 $ 5.00 Heather-Anne 3 FK bags
Check out our site and see if there's anything that might tempt you. We
appreciate your interest and help.
Enjoy,
April
knightwave@a.......
knightwave@j.......
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:56:19 -0500
From: Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Quick Question
Wasn't there a website out there someplace with addresses for the various
sites on the Toronto FK tour? I'm going to be there for a couple of days
in August to see "The Lion King," and I need to be able to
bully...er...convince my friends to drive by a few places so I can take
pictures. This will be my third trip to Toronto, and my FIRST chance to
actually see something besides Pearson and the Days Inn on Airport Road. <BG>
Christy
cstillma@u.......
"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools." -- Douglas Adams
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:46:59 -0700
From: Stealth Mom <eleventhwarrior@y.......>
Subject: Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers
This is probably an old topic y'all discussed ages ago
since this book was published in 1999, but I was
looking up Susan Sizemore of "A Stirring of Dust" on
Amazon and discovered she has a vampire series
starting with "The Hunt." This novel stars an
"Enforcer"--one of the force vampires allowed to kill
another vampire and enforce the laws of the group.
She took not just the concept but the term itself!
How well DOES Sony protect its franchise? Or do such
details belong to the original creators? Was she
given special dispensation? Or can vampire DJ's,
vampire cops and so on find their way into published
fiction with the same ease?
I was so surprised, I jumped right onto my e-mail. I
have to read the reviews to see if anyone picked up
the FK similarities.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:52:39 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers
In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001 3:47:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Stealth
Mom <eleventhwarrior@y.......> writes:
<<Was she
given special dispensation? Or can vampire DJ's,
vampire cops and so on find their way into published
fiction with the same ease?>>
For one thing, FK is not original with vampire cops. PN Elrod technically had a
vampire cop before FK (if I recall correctly, the book was written before the
series but the series came out first - or something like that). But there was
another writer whose name escaped me that had a vampire cop before PN Elrod but
"Pat" was not aware of it when she wrote hers.
"The Enforcers" is such a generic term, unless TPTB copyrighted it, and I'm sure
it would stand up in court as it IS a generic term, it is up for grabs IN MY
OPINION (I could be wrong). Anyone who enforces laws or rules could technically
be called "an enforcer" and it be good grammar.
TPTB *does* protect its copyright. We're lucky as they do let us keep our fan
fiction and other fannish playing as long as we don't market things as "FK
novel" or something that sounds more official.
Hope that helps.
Libs
http://www.tandra.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:59:29 -0400
From: Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: KtK info needed
Hi April,
I know that you are extremely busy now with the auction, but I would
like to ask a big favor of you. I and two other fans are in the process of
putting together a FK resource book that has a publishing date of mid July.
We want to include the efforts of KtK from the beginning up until what is
being done now including the auctions. Could you provide us with some of
the information that you would like to see immortalized in a Forever Knight
book? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Gwenn Musicante
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:07:34 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers
I do find it interesting that, according to my own research on
copyright law, names (with a few notable exceptions like Prince's
character signature) cannot be copyrighted. Technically, you could
have a "Nick Knight" in a novel, as long as he wasn't an 800 year old
blonde vampire from Brabant with a sire named LaCroix. The character
would have to be remarkably different to avoid being sued, IIRC.
=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:19:09 -0400
From: Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Re: KtK info needed
Sorry that was meant for April!
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:25:10 -0700
From: Stealth Mom <eleventhwarrior@y.......>
Subject: Re: Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers
Libratsie: "The Enforcers" is such a generic term,
unless TPTB copyrighted it, and I'm sure it would
stand up in court as it IS a generic term, it is up
for grabs IN MY OPINION (I could be wrong). Anyone who
enforces laws or rules could technically be called "an
enforcer" and it be good grammar.
Anne: The interesting thing, though, is that Susan
Sizemore most likely DID get HER idea for someone who
enforces vampire laws and is called an "Enforcer" from
FK. From a review I read on Amazon, apparently many
of her other ideas ("The Hunt" itself) about vampire
society are quite different.
Libratsie: TPTB *does* protect its copyright. We're
lucky as they do let us keep our fan fiction and other
fannish playing as long as we don't market things as
"FK novel" or something that sounds more official.
I wonder how many of the best of the FK fanfics could
be tweaked, distanced, and renamed to be publishable?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:42:12 -0500
From: katrinka <katrinka@f.......>
Subject: Re: Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers
At 01:07 PM 6/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I do find it interesting that, according to my own research on
>copyright law, names (with a few notable exceptions like Prince's
>character signature) cannot be copyrighted.
True. the supreme court just ruled yesterday that a sequel to Gone with the
wind could be published against the copywrite holder's permission. That the
freedom of speech clause now even applies to using copywrited characters. So
Now by the ruling, I could write a book about nick and the enforcers, and have
it set in Toronto!
Katrinka@f.......
NICK NEEDS YOU!
21C of the Knighties in charge of Mayhem :)
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:55:14 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Susan Sizemore & The Enforcers
In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001 4:35:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katrinka
<katrinka@f.......> writes:
<<That the freedom of speech clause now even applies to using copywrited
characters. So Now by the ruling, I could write a book about nick and
the enforcers, and have it set in Toronto!>>
It isn't quite that simple. I haven't looked up the actual ruling yet, but in
this case, the "Gone WIth the Wind" 'rip off' was apparently a parody sort of
situation. You still can't just use a writer's characters and expect not to be
sued.
For example, you might be able to write about a cop named Nick in Toronto, but
if you made him a vampire, even if you didn't use the "Forever Knight" name,
Sony could and probably would sue as there most likely would be obvious
similarities that WOULD target it as a copyright violation. And if you crossed
a FK story with a novel, you could still be sued.
Copyright is very confusing, even for professional writers (I am one). I'm fuzzy
on the no copyrighted names clause, but I believe that is true as I remember one
of my college writing instructors saying one of his first published short
stories was called "Diary of Anne Frank" but had absolutely nothing to do with
the famous diary, other than name, so it was not a copyright violation (though
it could be confusing to readers).
Now, I could take a rat eating vampire and set it in Toronto and not be
violating copyright ... but let's say if I made him bald and named him Screed,
Sony probably would have good cause to be suspicious.
Someone else mentioned distancing FK fanfic from FK and having it published
professionally as a totally non-FK story. Don't ask me to name what stories, but
I believe this has happened or at least attempts have been made to do so. This
is why some fan fic writers will ask for stories to be removed from archives. I,
personally, have so many original ideas, I wouldn't probably ever get around to
turning one of my fanfic stories into a professional one, but I have used ideas
I've had for professional stories for fanfic, and vice versa.
Libs
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