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FORKNI-L Digest - 8 Aug 2000 to 9 Aug 2000 (#2000-243)

Wed, 9 Aug 2000

There are 18 messages totalling 507 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Interesting bit of trivia... (2)
  2. Pic to go with 'Ponderings'
  3. request to repost on fkfic-l (2)
  4. Portia's in a Panic!
  5. A question... (3)
  6. YKYBWTMFKW...
  7. YKYATIAFKW...
  8. Roman Clothes (3)
  9. Roman Togas (2)
 10. One stop Roman shopping...
 11. This isn't that OT...  It's really for a fanfic...  honest... :)

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Date:    Fri, 8 Aug 1980 16:00:50 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Interesting bit of trivia...

Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......> wrote:

>we're not too good at pronouncing French here in the Land of Lakes. Fer
>instance, it's Saint Croy (St. Croix), Lackyparl (Lac Qui Parle), and
> Prairiedesheen (Prairie du Chien). Ouch! You'd think we'd be better at it than
>that -- after all, our state motto is "L'Etoile du Nord." <g>

Don't beat up on your fellow Minnesotans, Nancy! They're just sticking to
the historic pronunciations of these *very* historic place names. France
experienced a very sissified shift in pronunciation. "Oi", which had been
pronounced "oy", became "wa" (that's right, "moi" used to be pronounced
"moy"), the "ot" ending, which had been pronunced "oat", became "oh", etc.
These changes took a long time to flow back into French-speaking North
America, though, so you're still pronouncing these place names the way the
voyageurs did.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
Editor, Northwest Journal, focussing on the Canadian fur trade 1774-1821
www.telusplanet.net/public/gottfred/nwj.html

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:15:58 -0700
From:    tigrlady2u@j.......
Subject: Re: Pic to go with 'Ponderings'

 I was informed that the server will not accept non-text info.
 If anyone would like me to send them the pic, let me know and I'll be
happy too.
 Sorry!

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:39:40 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Interesting bit of trivia...

Nancy Kaminski wrote:
>
> FWIW, LaCroix water is bottled, I believe, in Wisconsin, and is very
> common here in Minnesota. However, it's pronounced "Lacroy"

So Lucien was only using the correct local pronunciation of his name when he
introduced himself as "LaCroy" in Nick's Chicago cop flashback? :-)

Barb

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:38:27 -0400
From:    Emily Hanson <hansone@t.......>
Subject: request to repost on fkfic-l

Can Don or whoever is currently overseeing the lists respond to me off-list?
I'd like to repost something to the fkfic-l list
(from the card challenge.)  Realized I forgot to give permission for Mel to
archive.

Emily
hansone@t.......
http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:28:18 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Portia's in a Panic!

Portia's in a Panic!  I can't get to my guilty pleasure!  Wanted to check
out the Nick's card to Nat at Jadfe, and can't find the bugger!  My link
won't work, nor the link from Mel's site.  Anyone know where Kubla Khan and
I can find the pleasure dome??

Portia
(who on honey-dew hath fed
 And drunk the Milk of Paradise.
***
or was that Milk of Magnesia?)

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:37:39 -0400
From:    Luc <lacroix@e.......>
Subject: A question...

I watched a couple of episodes now of the first season...and I love them!!
But I do have a question. At one episode,which I cannot remember the name
of, Janette brings across a women..the "baroness" that Nick refused to make
a vampire. Yet, in the episode where Nick brings across Natalie's brother,
Janette says that she was never able to bring anyone across, because she
couldn't stop the feeding. Did I misunderstood things, or did they make a
mistake?.

Luc

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:56:14 +0600
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: Re: request to repost on fkfic-l

Emily -

I think I wrote you earlier this evening.  But if not, please let me know
the particulars.

Thanks,

Don     ---,-<@
Argent@e.......

On 8 Aug 00,  Emily Hanson wrote:

> Can Don or whoever is currently overseeing the lists respond to me off-list?
> I'd like to repost something to the fkfic-l list
> (from the card challenge.)  Realized I forgot to give permission for Mel to
> archive.
>
> Emily
> hansone@t.......
> http://www.starbase-eprime.com
>

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:15:59 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: A question...

At 10:37 PM 8/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
>of, Janette brings across a women..the "baroness" that Nick refused to make
>a vampire. Yet, in the episode where Nick brings across Natalie's brother,
>Janette says that she was never able to bring anyone across, because she
>couldn't stop the feeding. Did I misunderstood things, or did they make a
>mistake?.
>Luc

I haven't seen that ep in a long time, but since I like to imagine that she
brought across Alma, I've wondered if it couldn't be interpreted as that
she never succeeded in bringing across someone she was really passionate
about?  I'm probably way out of bounds, since I don't remember the actual
dialogue....

Portia

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:14:04 -0700
From:    Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@m.......>
Subject: Re: A question...

Luc asked (with major snipage):
>Janette brings across a women..the "baroness" that Nick refused to make
> a vampire. Yet, in the episode where Nick brings across Natalie's brother,
> Janette says that she was never able to bring anyone across, because she
> couldn't stop the feeding.

Depends on what you believe. I've always thought it was more likely that
Janette would go to LC to bring the baroness across, the same way she did
Nick, than risk trying it herself. Just because we didn't see him, doesn't
mean LC wasn't there (in fact, aside from this ep, we've never seen a
flashback with Janette and Nick but without LC), and we didn't see who
actually brought the baroness across, just the aftermath.

Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky                                               FoD
luckyliz@m.......                                     Merc
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz                         Nothers

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Date:    Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:07:05 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFKW...

Laurie of the Isles bespake:
>...You get a huge kick out of your new neighbor being Welsh.  He's a really
>lovely old gentleman, BTW.

old?  as in 800?

not again!  jen

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
CotK, KoC, Faithful, Val, CP, LC, RoGe, Urchin

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:37:35 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: YKYATIAFKW...

You Know You Are Totally Insane About Forever Knight When...

You drive over Natalie's Creek often and snicker each time

You hear about the Rosary starting in the 13th century (not sure of whole
story... only heard it in passing) and wonder if Nick or Fleur knew about it

You have taken four years to realize that before your "Blind Faith" episode
on tape is a commercial for a store in "Perry"

You absolutely cannot handle the bottled water aisle (Perry-A, Lacroix)

You almost ask people if they are so-and-so from FORKNI-L

You almost guarantee you saw Vachon (or perhaps the Inca) in Wal-Mart, in
the daytime, in a wheelchair, with a Raliegh-like dog and come *so* close to
talking with him (but he was in the checkout line)

You wonder if a vampire would like it eveeery time you get a cut

Every time you have a 'YKY' moment about *anything*, not necessarily
FK-related, you think of posting it to the list, which makes you think of
the FK aspects of it

You are desperate for local FK fans... with whom you can share your
obsession without inducing terror!!!  (Haven't found any yet.... ;))

Have a Yen for Jen Again?

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
CotK, KoC, Faithful, Val, CP, LC, RoGe, Urchin
Dixi.

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:06:01 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Roman Clothes

Help!  I'm confused.  I'm trying to figure out what Lacroix would have worn
in his mortal days and looking for interesting tidbits on same.  These are a
couple of my questions:

That outfit he wore in the NA's 'Nunkies in Repose' picture (laying down)...
is it a toga or a tunic?

Did the army really have those bronze breastplates?  Were they custom-made?

Was white the only color General-ly (heh) worn?

During his time, what did women wear?  (Moi having very little klew as to
what things were called.)

Thanks as always,

Jen Harding
jensharding@h.......
Friendly as Francesca

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:27:49 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Roman Clothes

> Did the army really have those bronze breastplates?  Were they custom-made?
        yes, the roman legions really wore bronze breastplate armor.
        From what I know, such armor was issued as part of a soldier's
equipment from a state arsenal.   It wasn't custom-made for the
soldier.  I think it was issued in sizes - small, medium, large - and
designed to have adjustable straps and attachments so it could be
"fitted" to a person's size better.
        A man like General LaCroix - who was a man of wealth in
Roman culture - would have had the resources to have custom
armor "tailored" to fit his body.
        Whether he would have gone to this expense, I don't know.
        In many cultures that wore armor, elaborate, decorated armor
was a sign of social status.  I honestly don't know if the Romans
viewed armor in this manner.  At times, the Romans were
extremely practical.  When I think of a Roman noble, I don't
visualize them in armor, I visualize them in a robe or fine cloth
clothing.

                Tim

 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:46:23 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Roman Clothes

> Tim Phillips wrote

> was a sign of social status.  I honestly don't know if the Romans
> viewed armor in this manner.  At times, the Romans were
> extremely practical.  When I think of a Roman noble, I don't
> visualize them in armor, I visualize them in a robe or fine cloth

A Roman officer, especially one with a high rank like general, would possess
"parade armor," for special occasions like triumphs or state functions. This
was often gilded and beautifully ornate. He would probably have less-ornate
bronze armor for battle use, since generals usually weren't actual combatants
unless their command position was overrun by enemy troops. (People who've seen
"Gladiator" will note that Maximus chose to lead his cavalry in a charge
instead of directing the battle from a point where he could see it
happening. Brave but not always a good tactic!)

They would want to look good in front of the troops, though -- the sight of
your general on his horse and wearing his red cloak, decorated bronze armor,
and horsehair-crested helmet, urging his troops on to victory, would no doubt
be very motivational.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:01:11 -0400
From:    Emily Hanson <hansone@t.......>
Subject: Roman Togas

I remember reading in a book recently, which took place in ancient Rome (no
it wasn't vampires, it was werewolves actually)
that togas were only for Roman citizens.  Depending on the rules for woman
and their status, they may not have worn togas except in wealthy families,
or something like that.

Emily M. Hanson
http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:10:28 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Roman Togas

> Emily Hanson wrote:

> I remember reading in a book recently, which took place in ancient Rome (no
> it wasn't vampires, it was werewolves actually)
> that togas were only for Roman citizens.  Depending on the rules for woman
> and their status, they may not have worn togas except in wealthy families,
> or something like that.

From what I understand, a toga was the Roman equivilent of black tie, and was
worn for formal occasions only. They were enormous lengths of cloth which had
to be draped just so to look right, and were heavy and cumbersome. For
day-to-day wear, a Roman male wore a tunic, sandals, and a cloak if the weather
called for it.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:48:25 -0400
From:    Amand-r <deparsons@e.......>
Subject: One stop Roman shopping...

<Jen>
> That outfit he wore in the NA's 'Nunkies in Repose' picture (laying down)...
> is it a toga or a tunic?

<Nancy>
From what I understand, a toga was the Roman equivilent of black tie,
and was worn for formal occasions only. They were enormous lengths of
cloth which had to be draped just so to look right, and were heavy and
cumbersome. For day-to-day wear, a Roman male wore a tunic, sandals,
and a cloak if the weather called for it.

<Amand-r>
And you are right.  Only Roman citizens could wear the toga, and it was
cumbersome.  Shortened forms of it could be made and worn over the
tunic, and if you were higher up you wore one most of the time (like in
the senate), but jo-general citizen wouldn't bother.  You see LaCroix
in his toga/tunic ensemble in "AMore Perm...", and later he's got the
tunic on, when Divia wakes him up...

Tim pretty much answered the General armor questions (theu were
standard issue), and really, if you want to see what everyone wore,
that *is* the film to see.  It was gorgeous.

As for women, they generally wore stolas, and pallas.  It's just Latin
for dress.  They would be pinned at the shoulders (with elaborate
brooches if you had the moolah), and tied several times.  Lemme get the
website...

http://www.dl.ket.org/latin1/things/romanlife/

All things roman....wootootooototo...

Amand-r
"Just when we thought this was over the godd**n monster shows up!"
---Misao, Rurouni Kenshin

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Date:    Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:07:19 -0400
From:    Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
Subject: This isn't that OT...  It's really for a fanfic...  honest... :)

I'm doing some research for a story idea I've got, but I'm turning up
nothing.  Does anyone know anything about Beethoven's Fur Elise, or know
where I can find information about it?  The only thing I know is that it's
dated around 1810.  What I need to know, however, is its background story.

I've so far heard that:
1.  It's not really For Elise, it's For Therese, but Beethoven's handwriting
was so bad that it got misinterpreted.
2.  It's was actually For Elizabeth...
3.  It's For Elise, Elise was the landlord and he wrote it for her to pay rent
4.  It's For Elise, Elise was Beethoven's neice
5.  It's For Elise, Elise was a woman Beethoven was planning on eloping with

ACK!  I've never heard so many conflicting theories in my life (well,
possibly with the exception of where Elvis is currently residing...).  I
haven't a clue which one is the one that's generally accepted as truth and I
really need to iron this out.  Immortal Beloved was a great movie, but alas,
I can't rely on that for my historical data here, yick :)

Anyone know anything about this?

Diane (dharris@h.......)
Proud NNPacker, Knightie, FoDs, and budding CoTK.
http://www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm

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