FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Jul 2000 - Special issue (#2000-223)
Wed, 26 Jul 2000
There are 20 messages totalling 1025 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. YKYBWTMFKFFW...
2. Nat and Nick (7)
3. Crazy Love (3)
4. Baby Baby
5. Crazy Love and Baby Baby
6. Why Do We Need a Replacement Vampire Series? (4)
7. FORKNI-L Digest Nat & Nick
8. [Re: [FORKNI-L] YKWYWTMFKW]
9. YKWYWTMFKW
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:09:25 +0900
From: Raven Breena <raven@n.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKFFW...
You know you've been writing too much FK fan fiction when...
The sentence, "I have to go kill someone now" is a normal way to end a RL
conversation.
Cousin Raven Breena
raven@n.......
http://www.naturesong.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:00:50 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
> Lorelei Sieja asked a bunch of questions. Here's my take on them:
> If Nat was not attracted to the vampire, then why did she beg Nick to bring
> her across in A More Permanent Hell,
She didn't want to die, and here was someone who could offer her an out. Lesser
of two evils, I think -- like someone who jumps out of a building to escape a
fire.
> and again, didn't she mention it in
> "Last Knight"?
She wanted to be with Nick, and if that's what it took, okay. The vampire wasn't
the attraction, Nick was.
> Why did she force Nick to bring her brother Richard across?
She didn't want to lose her only remaining relative so young.
> Why did she use Nick's blood for the intellectually challenged boy in
> whatever ep that was, fallen idols?
Because she saw a way to help him, and took it, unethical though it was.
Of course she was attracted by the
> vampire. In a way, aren't all FK fans?
In each of these instances, I saw Nat being driven more by a desire to live, or
to help others, or to not lose something she loved. In none of them does she
say, "I want to fly, I want to control humans, I want to live forever and be
eternally young -- vampires are soooo kewl." Instead, she merely wants to live.
You'll notice she never makes these requests of Nick when she's not under
extreme stress. In normal times she gives her all to make Nick mortal, which
seems to illustrate that, while studying a vampire is intellectually
fascinating, she didn't think it was a desireable condition. She saw most
of Nick's down sides -- his unrelenting hunger, his inability to interact fully
with mortals, his half-life in the dark -- and did her best to cure him.
I don't think you can say that the vampire aspect of FK is interesting to all
fans. Personally, I'm not interested in vampires in the least bit -- I don't
read any vampire novels, for instance, never watched Dark Shadows, or go to see
any of the recent spate of vamp movies. What interested me much more was the
character of Nick and his struggle as a flawed hero attempting to do the right
thing. His inner conflicts, and how they were mirrored in the situations he
found himself in are just plain good drama. His character is so multi-faceted
we can spend endless hours discussing it!
Oh, and GWD is pretty nice looking. <g>
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:35:07 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Crazy Love
At 01:28 PM 7/25/00 GMT, Lorelei Sieja wrote:
>Crazy Love, ... I think this is probably the best ep in the series for
>Immortal Beloveds...
Oookay, I am probably going to get myself into serious trouble now, but
when did that ever stop me <g>?
Crazy Love is the episode that brought me across. It was about the third
or fourth episode of FK that I saw, and what with that first scene with
Janette on the peir, I was hooked into FK forever.
But, it was also the episode that confirmed for me that I was an N&NPacker,
not an Immortal Beloved (although I didn't know those terms at the time),
with the difference Crazy Love brings up between sexual desire based purely
on lust and desire based on something deeper.
There's a lovely scene in Crazy Love where Nick is in the lab with Natalie
and he is standing behind her and gets close to her as if it would be the
most natural thing to embrace her. He can't just follow his heart with
Natalie, though, because he's a vampire, and it would be too dangerous.
>he looked so desperate, and Nat just cuts him off. She tells him
>that he doesn't have those needs any more, end of story.
He tried to tell Natalie something important. He wanted to have an intimacy
with her that goes beyond sexual desire, beyond lust. It's a theme that was
brought out in Nick's discussion with the psychiatrist, about people who
can't manage to find true intimacy with others, so they substitute lust
without intimacy, instead.
>Then he turns to Janette... some folks see this as he fault, that he can't
>be "true" to Nat, but I always feel that she pushed him away. She couldn't
>understand his true nature.
As I see it, she didn't want to accept the truth about the vampire part of
his nature. His "true" nature is far more complex than just the vampire part
of his nature.
The problem, though, at that point, involved both Nick and Nat, not just Nat.
After Nat made her assertion that he didn't have those needs anymore, he
just acted like that was true. He had the opportunity to disagree, to tell
her the truth, but I think he was afraid of her reaction. It was after Nick's
own body language and expression confirmed what Natalie wanted to believe,
that Natalie walked off. Nick lost the opportunity for greater intimacy by
being afraid to take it, IMO.
In Crazy Love, the first time Nick went to Janette was after a discussion
with the psychiatrist that brought out feelings in Nick that needed an
outlet quick! He couldn't go to Natalie to deal with those feelings, because
she would have ended up dead. The second time he went to Janette was after
he tried for intimacy with Natalie, but wasn't able to attain it. In both
cases, he settled for less than what he really wanted.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 13:27:48 +0000
From: Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
I don't think you can say that the vampire aspect of FK is interesting to all
fans. Personally, I'm not interested in vampires in the least bit -- I don't
read any vampire novels, for instance, never watched Dark Shadows, or go to see
any of the recent spate of vamp movies. What interested me much more was the
character of Nick and his struggle as a flawed hero attempting to do the right
thing. His inner conflicts, and how they were mirrored in the situations he
found himself in are just plain good drama. His character is so multi-faceted
we can spend endless hours discussing it!
Oh, and GWD is pretty nice looking. <g>
Nancy Kaminski
I did watch DS and I have read Dracula several time sand watched all
the othd stuff. I bought some Anne Rice book and read the first one
but I think they are too much for me. I can Take Vampires oly so far.
I think Nancy's above letter above though does say well how I feel
about the show. Vampires make it different but Nick and Nat's romance
is what caught my attention, but as I watch episodes I am
dissalussioned by how their beautiful relationship seemed to be
changed to very little of nothing by the writers. Do we blam the
writers or really look at Nick's behavior as time goes by to see how
he really felt about Nat.
I wanted they to be in love to go into the Darkness together if that
was the only way, but it was taken out of the fans hands. Most of my
writing stems from Last Night and I try to change the ending in all
but one to something more positive. Something where they are together
and happy. Maybe I'll feel different after I get to Be MY Valentine
(Which I love) I think in making Nat forget what happend its akin to
when Clark made Lois forget in Superman. It forced him to back off
and maybe look for something different. I don't think he wanted it
that way but I do think he knew he had no other choice if he was to
keep Nat safe.
Where does that episode where he is shot in the head come in. In my
journy through the 1st and second I have yet to come across it yet.
Jeannie
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:44:17 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Baby Baby
At 10:38 AM 7/25/00 -0400, Portia 1 wrote:
>And that scene at the end when Nick just turns his back, while his "daughter"
>is consuming her lover behind him -- does the word "erotic" come to anyone
>else's mind? And LaCroix seemed to be enjoying himself during the whole
>episode -- think he was appreciating the "sexual sizzle" in the air?
Now that you mention it, he probably was. I also think he knew that Nick's
daughter would reject Nick in the end, and he was very much enjoying helping
that along. He was getting a little bit of revenge for all of Nick's
rejections of him.
>Nancy, I think this is an excellent analysis of the character and her
>motivations! And it makes me think how much more of a "catch" Nick must
>have seemed -- not only whole and healthy, but handsome and debonair and
>apparently untouched by the war.
Oh, slurp! This is reminding me of the scene in the bar when he first meets
Serena.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:56:36 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Crazy Love and Baby Baby
At , Jeannie Ecklund wrote:
>I wonder what Nat was thinking, she got the hots for Nick the night
>she met him and yet she wanted to change what he was.
The night she met him, he didn't look to me like he was expressing any
happiness about what he was. He wanted to change, and she wanted to help
him. Granted, she had ulterior motives <g>, which she's well aware of.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:13:04 +0000
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Why Do We Need a Replacement Vampire Series?
Sci-fi has just opened up a website for "Ultra-violet"
mini-series. They have begun a BBoard there as well.
Now, I and a few others have already replied to the announcemnt on the
Bboard, and also posted a new message.
Now what you can do is a post articles similar to "Why do we need a
replacement Vampire series?" and reply to the 1st dominion announcement.
Website address: http://www.scifi.com/ultraviolet/
Bboard address: http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/1910
Please spread the word!! We need to definately make it clear that the
Vampires we want back are FK ones!!
Long Live the Knight!
Kristin
http://members.xoom.com/forever_nick/Forever_Knight
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:09:45 -0500
From: Lauren <lauren1228@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
> Lorelei Sieja asked a bunch of questions. Here's my take on them:
> If Nat was not attracted to the vampire, then why did she beg Nick to bring
> her across in A More Permanent Hell,
>She didn't want to die, and here was someone who could offer her an out.
>Lesser of two evils, I think -- like someone who jumps out of a building to
>escape a fire.
Natalie wants Nick to come mortal you know. Even if the metor was going to
hit she still shouldn't ask Nick to bring her across as a vampire. She
wanted Nick to come mortal not a vampire. I don't think Nat should have kept
begging him to do that or if he did bring her across she would have to try
to help herself come mortal or she could end up like Alyssa. Natalie was
still mad at Nick at the end of the episode though too.
> and again, didn't she mention it in
> "Last Knight"?
>She wanted to be with Nick, and if that's what it took, okay. The vampire
wasn't the attraction, Nick was.
Actually sometimes it looks like she does like the vampire like in only the
Lonely Nick rescued Nat there, I think she also likes his vampire nature.
If she did come a vampire in Last Knight she would have to feed on blood
nick didn't want to see her that way. It looked like Natalie died in Last
Knight though. :(
> Why did she force Nick to bring her brother Richard across?
>She didn't want to lose her only remaining relative so young.
Still Richard ended up as a crazy vampire. He didn't even get to choose that
he wanted to be a vampire Nat choose for him.
> Why did she use Nick's blood for the intellectually challenged boy in
> whatever ep that was, fallen idols?
>Because she saw a way to help him, and took it, unethical though it was.
She should of known evil blood would make him have a temper. Even Nick got
mad at Nat when she did that.
Of course she was attracted by the
> vampire. In a way, aren't all FK fans?
>In each of these instances, I saw Nat being driven more by a desire to live,
or to help others, or to not lose something she loved. In none of them does
she say, "I want to fly, I want to control humans, I want to live forever and
be eternally young -- vampires are soooo kewl." Instead, she merely wants to
live. You'll notice she never makes these requests of Nick when she's not under
extreme stress. In normal times she gives her all to make Nick mortal, which
seems to illustrate that, while studying a vampire is intellectually
fascinating, she didn't think it was a desireable condition. She saw most
of Nick's down sides -- his unrelenting hunger, his inability to interact
fully with mortals, his half-life in the dark -- and did her best to cure him.<
She was obviously sometimes attraced by his vampire nature. He sometimes
saves her too. She might of been a little jealous of it sometimes too
though. Like when he talks about his past with other lovers, she sounded
jealous sometimes. Because, She probably does love Nick. And I think nick
wants to stay as a vampire like in " Night in Question" When Nat gave him
his blood bottel she told Nick " You don't want to be a vampire. " Nick
never said no or yes, he just looked at her confuesed.
>I don't think you can say that the vampire aspect of FK is interesting to all
fans. Personally, I'm not interested in vampires in the least bit -- I don't
read any vampire novels, for instance, never watched Dark Shadows, or go to see
any of the recent spate of vamp movies. What interested me much more was the
character of Nick and his struggle as a flawed hero attempting to do the right
thing. His inner conflicts, and how they were mirrored in the situations he
found himself in are just plain good drama. His character is so multi-faceted
we can spend endless hours discussing it!
Actually, most FK fans seemed to like him more as a vampire. Yes, some too
like him trying to find a cure. Then again most of it is just my opions,
great topic! :) Bye!
Lauren
http://members.xoom.com/vampirekiss3/nick_jan_page/webpage/
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 14:00:11 +0000
From: Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: Crazy Love
The Fix, My next episode to see, I have seen it before, how many
people where very disappointed in both Nick and Nat reaction. He just
wanted to go out and see the World, not make love to her and she told
him to go home and get some rest. I wouldn't have left his side. She
should have shared the day with him. Been with him. It would have
strengthened their relationship, but no she left him to the day.
I'd like your opinions.
Jeannie
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:15:08 -0500
From: Lauren <lauren1228@m.......>
Subject: Re: Crazy Love
Yes, I agree totally agree with you. I'm also a Immortal Beloved fan too.
:) When Nat told Nick he doesn't have those needs anymore, he never said yes
or no. But, he does have those needs still. Nat was ethier jealous or just
being wrong or rude. Thats al;so why he had bitten Janette early in the
episode. After Nat said that he just went back to Janette and kissed her and
then who knows what. :))
Bye!
Lauren
http://members.xoom.com/vampirekiss3/nick_jan_page/webpage/
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:35 AM
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Subject: Re: Crazy Love
At 01:28 PM 7/25/00 GMT, Lorelei Sieja wrote:
>Crazy Love, ... I think this is probably the best ep in the series for
>Immortal Beloveds...
Oookay, I am probably going to get myself into serious trouble now, but
when did that ever stop me <g>?
Crazy Love is the episode that brought me across. It was about the third
or fourth episode of FK that I saw, and what with that first scene with
Janette on the peir, I was hooked into FK forever.
But, it was also the episode that confirmed for me that I was an N&NPacker,
not an Immortal Beloved (although I didn't know those terms at the time),
with the difference Crazy Love brings up between sexual desire based purely
on lust and desire based on something deeper.
There's a lovely scene in Crazy Love where Nick is in the lab with Natalie
and he is standing behind her and gets close to her as if it would be the
most natural thing to embrace her. He can't just follow his heart with
Natalie, though, because he's a vampire, and it would be too dangerous.
>he looked so desperate, and Nat just cuts him off. She tells him
>that he doesn't have those needs any more, end of story.
He tried to tell Natalie something important. He wanted to have an intimacy
with her that goes beyond sexual desire, beyond lust. It's a theme that was
brought out in Nick's discussion with the psychiatrist, about people who
can't manage to find true intimacy with others, so they substitute lust
without intimacy, instead.
>Then he turns to Janette... some folks see this as he fault, that he can't
>be "true" to Nat, but I always feel that she pushed him away. She couldn't
>understand his true nature.
As I see it, she didn't want to accept the truth about the vampire part of
his nature. His "true" nature is far more complex than just the vampire part
of his nature.
The problem, though, at that point, involved both Nick and Nat, not just Nat.
After Nat made her assertion that he didn't have those needs anymore, he
just acted like that was true. He had the opportunity to disagree, to tell
her the truth, but I think he was afraid of her reaction. It was after Nick's
own body language and expression confirmed what Natalie wanted to believe,
that Natalie walked off. Nick lost the opportunity for greater intimacy by
being afraid to take it, IMO.
In Crazy Love, the first time Nick went to Janette was after a discussion
with the psychiatrist that brought out feelings in Nick that needed an
outlet quick! He couldn't go to Natalie to deal with those feelings, because
she would have ended up dead. The second time he went to Janette was after
he tried for intimacy with Natalie, but wasn't able to attain it. In both
cases, he settled for less than what he really wanted.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:29:25 +0100
From: Tracy Gooding <Tracy.Gooding@n.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest Nat & Nick
Gosh, it's different being on digest...
Anyway, all the discussion of Nick and Nat's relationship...or not, got me
thinking.
One thing that hadn't been mentioned (at the time of writing) is that Nat is
getting older. I agree that relationships ebb and flow over time, and that
some of Nat's more extreme decisions were made under extremely stressful
circumstances. I also think she was mis-served by some poor writing at the
beginning of season 3 whilst new characters were being established. But I
digress. With age and the passing of time, your own mortality becomes
increasingly real, especially when you see friends and relatives of similar
age dying. It can make you re-assess your own circumstances and seize the
moment, or be somewhat reckless. And she would be aware that she was ageing
whereas Nick was not.
And as for Nick being the subject of her scientific study, as a science
researcher myself I can assure you that a subject can become your passion.
Back to lurking
Tracy
Tracy.Gooding@n.......
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:48:15 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
At 08:35 PM 7/25/00 -0400, mclisa@m....... wrote:
>Am I the only one who thinks she was attracted to the man who was
>fighting the beast?
That's a really good point, Lisa. I think that's supported by the flashbacks
in Only the Lonely. When Natalie first meets Nick, he says, "I'm dead," and
doesn't sound too happy about it, to put it mildly. In a later flashback,
when he says, "Evil is a metaphysical condition," she tells him that he's
not evil, because he got hurt, saving people from a pipe bomb. So yes, I
think she's definately attracted to the man who's fighting the beast. She's
attracted to the good in him, not the evil.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:48:43 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
At 04:32 AM 7/26/00 GMT, Lorelei Sieja wrote:
>If Nat was not attracted to the vampire, then why did she beg Nick to bring
>her across in A More Permanent Hell,
Because of her fear of death, the same reason Nick became a vampire in the
first place.
>and again, didn't she mention it in "Last Knight"?
This was because she had gotten to the point where she thought it might be
the only way for them to be together. What she wanted was for Nick to try
what she thought was Janette's cure, in the hope that she and Nick would be
mortal together. If it didn't work, she was willing to risk being brought
across instead, but it wasn't what she wanted. (Of course, I think LK was
really a dream anyway, but that's a different discussion.)
> Why did she force Nick to bring her brother Richard across?
Because she didn't want him to die. She even thought that if Richard became
a vampire, she could help him become mortal again, in the same way she was
trying to help Nick.
>Why did she use Nick's blood for the intellectually challenged boy in
>whatever ep that was, fallen idols?
In the hope of proving that the boy's uncle? hadn't murdered the wrestler.
She wanted to help the boy, not give him vampire traits.
>Of course she was attracted by the vampire. In a way, aren't all FK fans?
Maybe most FK fans are attracted by the vampire, but Natalie isn't an FK fan.
She's a character in a story about a vampire.
And, speaking just for myself (and blushing furiously), I'm attracted to the
vampire as a sexual metaphor, not as a true-life evil predator.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:04 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Why Do We Need a Replacement Vampire Series?
In a message dated Wed, 26 Jul 2000 1:05:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kristin
<kris1228@s.......> writes:
<<Please spread the word!! We need to definately make it clear that the
Vampires we want back are FK ones!!>>
With all due respect, I'm not sure attacking one show in favor of another is a
good strategy at all. Ultraviolet could be a hit, we don't know at the moment.
Fans of that show could start seeking out other vampire shows and hear about
FOREVER KNIGHT. Now, sure, FK is NOT just another vampire show. But no one can
deny there are vampires in it. If FK fans start attacking another vampire show
because it isn't FK, well, that starts the two fandoms off to a negativity from
which they might never recover.
However, if we go, "Okay, ULTRAVIOLET is great (or nice, or some people's fav),
but it isn't FK... But since ULTRAVIOLET has a fan base and could probably (or
possibly) become popular) then why not bring back FK as well and introduce it to
the ULTRAVIOLET fans! Think of the possible ratings and thus higher sells for
commercials..." then we could team up with the UV fans who have never watched FK
but would like to!
I personally will not be a part of any "let's get UV off the air" before I've
even seen it. There's too many groups who really DO what to get shows with
vampires and any "non-family values" off the air.
I do what to stress this is MY opinion. Why not say, "I'm interesting in seeing
ULTRAVIOLET - wouldn't it be GREAT back to back with FOREVER KNIGHT!!!"
--Libs
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:50:17 -0700
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
Cindy Clark asked about my statement:
> I don't think Nick really loved Nat,
> but I do think he made sure she was in love with him.
> So you believe the speech Nick made to LaCroix at the Azure in BMV?
Yup. At first I didn't, but then it hit me that _every_ single time Nick
made a move on Nat, it was when there was a possibility of him losing her
one way or the other. Take a look:
Only the Lonely -- even before he knew Roger was a killer, there was a
possibility of Roger becoming Nat's lover and taking her attention away from
Nick.
Be My Valentine -- there's a serial killer out killing single women. Plus
Schanke and Nat have both mentioned how dateless Nat is. Not a good sign.
Let No Man Tear Asunder -- she almost got killed for her organs.
True, Nick could have had a light bulb (three times), but then why didn't he
do *any* kind of follow-up. Instead he's off playing tonsil hockey with
Janette, when she's available.
Given all that, I find it easier to believe he wasn't lying to LC, than to
try to find a reason for LC to suddenly lay off Nick when he never has in
the past.
I *do* think Nick cares for Nat. It's just not on the level that Nat loves
Nick. Nick has a very cozy situation here -- a woman whose sole purpose
outside of work is to find a way for him to become mortal again, and I think
he'd doing everything he can to make sure it stays that way.
For the record, and since it fits with part of the reason I don't believe
Nick's in love with Nat here, I also don't think Nick was taken in either by
Anne or the Luminologists-whatever-they-were. I think that over the years,
Nick has learned how blend perfectly into whatever crowd he's in. Vampires
that stick out like sore thumbs don't last very long.
On a separate note, if anyone's read this far, is there anyone who gets
Encore True, Court TV or WFTE that would be willing to tape something for
me? There some movies coming up on those stations with FK alum in them that
I'd like copies of, but I don't get those stations.
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky FoD
luckyliz@m....... Merc
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz Nothers
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:20:27 EDT
From: Dolpfin220@a.......
Subject: Re: Nat and Nick
In a message dated 07/26/2000 12:49:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
treeleaf@i....... writes:
> >If Nat was not attracted to the vampire, then why did she beg Nick to bring
> >her across in A More Permanent Hell,
>
> Because of her fear of death, the same reason Nick became a vampire in the
> first place.
I've never had the sense that Nick became a vampire because he feared
death.... He'd already faced death by fighting in the crusades.... And
didn't the vampire Erica in Last Act mention something about him having
almost died? The way I understood it, he was seduced by Janette as seen in
the flashbacks in Dance By the Light of the Moon.... And then, once he had
reached the point of decision as shown in Near Death, it was Lacroix's
promise of immortality, of "living a thousand lifetimes" that caused him to
turn from the light. Your opinions may vary....
Janet
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:28:46 +0000
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Why Do We Need a Replacement Vampire Series?
We're not trying to put down the new series, but simply state that we're not
willing to just take one series for another. If Ultra-Violet is part of the
schedule that's fine, but we're not willing to replace one series for
another! Bonnie Hammer seemed to think that putting on a new vampire series
will make us happy rather than Forever Knight. We need to show her and
Sci-fi we won't just take any vampire series to replace FK, but want the one
we truely love...Forever Knight!
Kristin
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Subject: Re: Why Do We Need a Replacement Vampire Series?
In a message dated Wed, 26 Jul 2000 1:05:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Kristin <kris1228@s.......> writes:
<<Please spread the word!! We need to definately make it clear that the
Vampires we want back are FK ones!!>>
With all due respect, I'm not sure attacking one show in favor of another is
a good strategy at all. Ultraviolet could be a hit, we don't know at the
moment. Fans of that show could start seeking out other vampire shows and
hear about FOREVER KNIGHT. Now, sure, FK is NOT just another vampire show.
But no one can deny there are vampires in it. If FK fans start attacking
another vampire show because it isn't FK, well, that starts the two fandoms
off to a negativity from which they might never recover.
However, if we go, "Okay, ULTRAVIOLET is great (or nice, or some people's
fav), but it isn't FK... But since ULTRAVIOLET has a fan base and could
probably (or possibly) become popular) then why not bring back FK as well
and introduce it to the ULTRAVIOLET fans! Think of the possible ratings and
thus higher sells for commercials..." then we could team up with the UV fans
who have never watched FK but would like to!
I personally will not be a part of any "let's get UV off the air" before
I've even seen it. There's too many groups who really DO what to get shows
with vampires and any "non-family values" off the air.
I do what to stress this is MY opinion. Why not say, "I'm interesting in
seeing ULTRAVIOLET - wouldn't it be GREAT back to back with FOREVER
KNIGHT!!!"
--Libs
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:38:17 CDT
From: "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] YKWYWTMFKW]
Either that or they run parallel. <g>
Emily
Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......> wrote:
> They probably intersect, once, briefly, then move away on their own
> courses, never to intersect again however much it is wanted :-(
> tim
> > >
> > > The city of Euclid, OH, where I live has a street named Nicholas and one
> > > named Lambert.
> >
> > Do they ever meet? <gr>
>
> Tim Phillips
> timp@d.......
Emily M. Hanson
http://www.starbase-eprime.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:37:26 -0400
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: Re: Why Do We Need a Replacement Vampire Series?
Just one suggestion: let's be as positive as possible about this. If the new
series is a success, it may cause them to give us back FK on the theory that
vampires attract fans. How about telling them, which is certainly true in my
case, that we wouldn't have been watching SciFi or reading the website if it
weren't for FK.
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:43:22 CDT
From: "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: YKWYWTMFKW
Hopefully neither of them have a dead end!
>The city of Euclid, OH, where I live has a street named Nicholas and one
>named Lambert.
I don't remember whose this was, I don't have the original.
Emily
Emily M. Hanson
http://www.starbase-eprime.com
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