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Digest - 21 Mar 2000 to 22 Mar 2000 - Special issue (#2000-85)
Wed, 22 Mar 2000
There are 27 messages totalling 1022 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Converts and Canonical Gaps (3)
2. Questions about FK vampirism (4)
3. Top of the Food Chain in NYC
4. New KtK Ad! (3)
5. More Top of the Food Chain in NYC
6. YKYBWTMFKW
7. fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly??? (4)
8. "For I Have Sinned" Ep-Related Questions
9. FK Alumni on "Angel" (2)
10. 3rd Season Filming
11. YKYBWTMFKW...
12. Top of the Food Chain Review (Major Spoilers--Beware!) (2)
13. Supersonic vamp flight (WAS: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires
fly???)
14. Supersonic vamp flight (2)
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:07:26 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
Angel wrote:Thank you! And, BTW, I really enjoy reading all the very thoughtful
> responses ya'll have been sharing in this discussion!
<blink, blink>
<Kyer shakes head to resettle her braincell after reading all of these
wonderful sounding explanations from Angel and Monica---that yet contradict
each other. Eeeyew...>
So....was Near Death a hallucination or what?
Cheese! Waiter?! Waiter, we need more *Cheese*?! at this table!
(<grumble>...I can still see the contradictions its supposed to be covering
up...)
Grinned,
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1980 15:34:47 -0800
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Questions about FK vampirism
>2. Has it ever been proven that the FK vampires cry blood? Every single
>piece of fiction I've ever read always has them with red bloodtears
>(including my own), but was this actually canon or is it just a trend that
>developed out of fiction?
Well, I've just finished watching the whole series (Canadian version),
except for episodes 101-106 ("Damn you, Showcase Television!"), and I was
looking for blood tears. I didn't see any.
>3. When Janette was brought back across, do you think she was put back at
>square one or do you think she still had the age benefits of being 1000?
>(FK vampires seem to have power that develops with age).To answer this, it
might help to ask another question: Is it "power" or
is it "skill" or is it some combination of both?
If it's skill, then Janette would have had no problems--she still has a
millennium of experience to draw on.
If it's "power", i.e. higher, faster, stronger, tougher, etc., I'd still
think she'd be the same as before she became mortal, because she's still
Janette--same body, same soul (or lack thereof), same mind. She might be
put back a little bit, since she hasn't been a vampire for a while, but
not for long--if, that is, she _wants_ to make the effort to get back to
where she was.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Ligeia
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:35:13 -0500
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
Kyer wrote:
>
> <Kyer shakes head to resettle her braincell after reading all of these
> wonderful sounding explanations from Angel and Monica---that yet contradict
> each other. Eeeyew...>
> So....was Near Death a hallucination or what?
Poor Kyer. I'll make it worse.<eg>
Some of us think that the Near Death experience was quite real, but that
Nick's interpretation of the guide's message (which Nick read as being
that his only hope was to come back and continue to do good deeds to
atone) was not necessarily accurate.
-----
Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:02:50 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
In a message dated 3/20/00 4:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
justallie@e....... writes:
<<
Written by FK writers/producers Larry Lalonde and Phil Bedard, this
hilarious sci-fi spoof also features Nigel Bennett in an
unforgettable role! FK fans in the New York area can view the film
on April 14, 15, or 18. For additional information see the
festival's web page:
>>
Sorry, sorry sorry. Yesterday I wrote that I was sorry I missed the show in
New York. Well, I had a real bad senior moment/old timers disease. I got my
months mixed up. Age'll do it you. Sorry about that.
I'm just glad I didn't miss it after all.
KnightWtch [hiding in the corner] ;-{{=
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:04:41 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
WOW!!!!! the ad is the best yet. I tried to get a copy on line and was told
you had to purchase it in the bookstores.
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:05:44 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: More Top of the Food Chain in NYC
In a message dated 3/21/00 9:55:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
EnidKnight@a....... writes:
<< I'm with Marla!
How about all NY/NJ FK fans get together?!
I know exactly where the Walter Reade Theater is.
(I went to High School right across the street.<g>)
Let's support FK alumni!
>>
Count me in too. Love to meet everyone.!!
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:42:06 -0500
From: urtikit@m.......
Subject: Re: Questions about FK vampirism
Dianne asked:
>1. Did LaCroix ever actually say he was 2000 years old, or did the fans
>figure that out based on the year Pompeii was destroyed?
I don't think there was any time when LC specifically
mentioned his age in years.
However, since we do know that Pompeii blew in the year
79, it's been easy for fans to figure that he's at
least 1921. Of course, if you wish to add to that
whatever you think may have been his mortal age at the
time, you're again on your own. :)
>2. Has it ever been proven that the FK vampires cry blood? Every single
>piece of fiction I've ever read always has them with red bloodtears
>(including my own), but was this actually canon or is it just a trend that
>developed out of fiction?
Ah, well, if you take a look at second season's
"Baby, Baby," you'll see a crying Serena, with blood
streaking down her cheek.
This, combined with the fact that vampires *sweat*
blood (cf. just about every scene where Nick wakes from
a nightmare) is where the blood tears came from.
On the other hand, some have pointed out that the blood
on Serena's cheek could have been splashed there if
she'd been a messy or savage eater.
So I think canon can support either view.
>3. When Janette was brought back across, do you think she was put back at
>square one or do you think she still had the age benefits of being 1000?
>(FK vampires seem to have power that develops with age).
Dunno about that one -- sadly, she disappeared from the
series again before we could ever find out. It could
be that re-vamping starts one out all over again.
Or there might be no change in status -- perhaps the
"reinfection" takes less time to return to its prior
level. After all, Nick did seem to rally rather
quickly from his brief flirtation with mortality (or
more correctly, suppression of the vampire element
in his cells) after The Fix...
How's that for a non-answer? :)
Kit
urtikit@m.......
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:48:03 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
Doņa Angel D.S. wrote:
and I DO like what Amy Rambo said recently about referring
> to new vampires as "converts" and that term and her explanation that it
> implies that one DOES have a choice as to whether or not he or she becomes a
> vampire or 'goes onward' and dies--
I have a problem with convert since it implies informed consent to me.
Unless of course you count the forced conversions many conquering nations
required of their colonists :-) and I don't think the FK vampires have
enough information. Think of the catechism classes and new member classes
that all religions, as far as I know, required of new converts. There is a
discussion of all the requirements of the religion and what is expected from
the members. I don't see that having a choice of dying or going back to a
life you have no real understanding of makes you a convert.
Of course, YMMV,
Barb
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:51:20 EST
From: BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
In a message dated 3/21/00 6:05:50 PM Central Standard Time,
KnghtWtch@a....... writes:
<< WOW!!!!! the ad is the best yet. I tried to get a copy on line and was
told you had to purchase it in the bookstores. >>
You can also order single issues by phone. Here is the relevant info from
Hollywood Reporter's website:
<< Puchases are by check, in U.S. dollars. Sorry, no credit card orders.
Send your order to Library, The Hollywood Reporter, 5055 Wilshire Blvd. 6th
Floor, Los Angeles, CA. 90036-4396 -- Attention back issues.
Indicate the date of the issue. If you don't know the date, contact the
library at (323) 525-2087. Hours are 10 a.m.-5 p.m. (PT).
The cost per issue is $5.50.... Outside the United States the price per
issue is $10. >>
I believe the date on "our" issue is March 21. Hope this helps!
Becky -- DFKS, DK, IB, DT, UF, Ravenette, Cousin, FOD
http://members.aol.com/BJDFKFan, http://members.aol.com/DKfanfic
We're cut adrift, but still floating. I'm only hanging on to watch you go
down...my love. (Bono, U2)
The world was bankrupted of ten million fine actions the night she passed on.
(paraphrased from Ray Bradbury's F. 451, in memory of Libby M.)
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1980 19:03:41 -0800
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW
...you repeatedly watch a promo for a different TV series, in which a
Native man says, "500 years of BS does tend to tick you off"*, and you
start to wonder who would agree more strongly with that: Nick or Lacroix?
Your humble & obedient servant,
Ligeia
*(actually using much stronger words to the same effect)
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:36:57 -0500
From: Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly???
Apologies for taking so long to post a reply to this. I've been going crazy
thanking everyone writing me nice notes congratulating me and Lynn on our
engagement.
Nadine Ziekursch <naddy1228@y.......> writes:
>I've been asked by a friend (not on the list) who is writing on some fanfic
>piece to ask on-list if anyone has ANY idea how fast the FK vampires can
>fly...more specific, how long would it take a vampire to fly from Toronto to
>Colorado? Any suggestions???
I don't know if anyone has answered this "definitively", but I think that
the closest thing to a "definitive" answer can be found in the episode
"Forward Into The Past". I don't recall exactly (I think that I'm earning
my "Grandfather" moniker here, but as anyone who has met me knows, I'm NOT
this old, seriously! :-) ), but if I do recall this one correctly, did Nick
not fly from Toronto to Hamilton in 8 minutes, or something like that? I
really need to remember these episodes better. (I do try, though).
Can someone who has a tape of "the episode in question" (okay, petty Fk
humour :-) ) please get back to me on or off-list (your choice)? Since
Toronto and Hamilton are about 100 km apart (more like 60-70 if you start
from Etobicoke), even a ten minute flight would indicate a speed of about
600 km/hr. I suppose that at that speed, Divia could certainly have flown
from, say, the farthest eastern tip of South America to the western tip of
Africa in an evening. Not bad for a TV show. :-)
Cheers,
W.
---
Will Steeves, goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD", "GOiDS Rule", etc.
Proud Member of FREE (http://www.vix.com/free); Nu '97, Psi Upsilon
Temporary Kentuckian, eagerly waiting for the Browngrass to turn Blue!
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:36:52 -0500
From: Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: "For I Have Sinned" Ep-Related Questions
This is a common enough question that I'm guessing that someone has already
answered it.
Still, as a "founder" of the Toronto Tour Guides "Faction", I felt compelled
to answer it. :-)
"Doņa Angel D.S." <donaangel@h.......> writes:
> I'm assuming--from how things looked in FIHS, that the church was a REAL
>church, not a "set" built for FK filming purposes--so can anyone who is
>familiar with TO tell me what the name of the church is that was used, and
>it looked as if it was "in the city"--is it in RL? {{{This is asking a lot,
>but does anyone know the RL street name, too?}}}
I'm still familiar with my hometown, but not as familiar as I should be.
Strangely enough, even though I always stop at that church when I do the
tours (and I will still do them, at least until Lynn and I get happily
settled into married life), I don't actually recall the name of the chuch
(would somebody 'hep me here, puhleeze?!). I do recall the intersection -
it's at King St. (east-west street) and Church St. (north-south). It's
funny how, when you do something so often, that you just do it by rote
because "that's the way you've always done it".
>Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul has Mass in Latin--either once
>every Sunday or one Sunday each month--not sure which it is, in addition to
>Masses on weekends and daily during the week in English. Is this the case in
>some Canadian churches?-
I've never been to Mass spoken in Latin, but I'm sure that they're still out
there. Mind you, my _Grandmother_ has mentioned going to a Latin mass in
the "old country" in the mountains of central Italy, but I can't imagine why
there would be very many nowadays. Heck, not even Dan Quayle understands Latin!
(And don't think for a minute that my sarcasm isn't equal opportunity ;
eventually, I am going to HAVE to work in some sort of Al "I invented the
Internet" Gore piece, I'm sure :-) )
>language, e.g. Spanish, Polish, Vietnamese. In Canada, is the generally
>accepted practice--and in TO in particular--to have some Masses in the same
>church to be some regularly celebrated in English and some in French?
I never saw any French masses, either. There aren't too many Franophones in
Toronto, but there are probably enough that there are probably a few French
masses in Toronto. There's a fairly large-sized Francophone area about two
hours north northwest of Toronto, around Midland. (It's a very popular
"cottage country" area). Some of the stop signs around Midland and
Penetanguishene actually say "ARRET" as well as "STOP". I don't know if
this helps at all; maybe you could work in some sort of scene around there. :-)
>that there the churches were --at least I think when she lived there--
>unlocked, but she noted that in the US they would be locked. What's the
>situation in Canada? [I assume that here there is the fear of vandalism
>and/or theft and/or desecration of the Church, holy items, and particularly
I have occasionally noticed Church doors locked. I know, apparently the
House of the Lord is supposed to be open all the time, but even the clergy
need their sleep, I suppose. :-)
>{{{and, to our Canadian listmembers, please forgive my ignorance of your
>customs--and please take it as acompliment that I wish to "get it right" and
>am willing to ask so I'm accurate.}}}
Oh heck, no offense taken. At least you didn't set a story in "Toronto,
Quebec". :-) :-)
(OKAY KNIGHTIES!!!!!!!! If anyone remembers THAT one, please please don't
brick me TOO hard, okay?!?!? :-) )
Cheers,
W.
---
Will Steeves, goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD", "GOiDS Rule", etc.
Proud Member of FREE (http://www.vix.com/free); Nu '97, Psi Upsilon
Temporary Kentuckian, eagerly waiting for the Browngrass to turn Blue!
My Temporary Home Page: http://home.ican.net/~goid
Get Paid to Surf: http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=JBC211
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:03:10 -0500
From: Amanda R Cleveland <arclevel@m.......>
Subject: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly???
>Nadine Ziekursch <naddy1228@y.......> writes:
>>I've been asked by a friend (not on the list) who is writing on some fanfic
>>piece to ask on-list if anyone has ANY idea how fast the FK vampires can
>>fly...
Well, I'm no physicist, but I think weird things would happen if they went
faster than the speed of sound (ie, small sonic booms.) That would give
them a maximum speed of about 340 km/s, or about 760 mph, if I converted
correctly.
Amanda
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:04:43 EST
From: Ladynoire@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Alumni on "Angel"
In a message dated 3/21/2000 10:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
EnidKnight@a....... writes:
<< Anyway, the actress who played "Claire Gibson" in Black Buddha (Titanic
chick)
will be on playing a seductive woman who wants Angel to make her immortal.
Sound familiar?! >>
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:05:48 EST
From: Ladynoire@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Alumni on "Angel"
In a message dated 3/21/2000 10:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
EnidKnight@a....... writes:
<< Anyway, the actress who played "Claire Gibson" in Black Buddha (Titanic
chick)
will be on playing a seductive woman who wants Angel to make her immortal.
Sound familiar?! >>
I thought she looked familiar but the jet black hair threw me .....
Carol in NC
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:48:27 -0800
From: Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: 3rd Season Filming
Does anyone know the approximate FILMING dates for the third season?
Also, were the interior shots of Vachon's Church a stage set or the true
interior of the Church? Particularly the scene from a) Black Buddha
where Tracy climbs the wooden stairs to the (I think) choir loft and b)
the scene from Ashes to Ashes where Tracy (dreamt she) staked Vachon.
*Beware of falling cheese!*
Thanks for the help!
--
Cloud
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:44:12 EST
From: Enid Rodriguez <ladyenid@h.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW...
YKYBWTMFKW...
You are in the middle of your Biology class when your professor
casually says, "Humans don't need to drink cow blood in order to
replace protein cells."
This comment makes you chuckle mindlessly, disrupting
the lesson.
Enid Rodriguez EnidKnight@a......., LadyEnid@h.......
GWDFC/G5/Enforcer/Harem Wife
"Four beers, a little James Brown and you can't keep me off the tables."
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:17:29 -0400
From: Erika Wilson <wilsone1@e.......>
Subject: Questions about FK vampirism
<<<CREEEEAK . . . THUD>>> Whew, I've been down in that dark pit so long, I
hope I remember how to post . . .
>1. Did LaCroix ever actually say he was 2000 years old, or did the fans
>figure that out based on the year Pompeii was destroyed?
I do not believe we knew how old LaCroix was or anything about his origins
until 'A Fate Worse Than Death' in the second season. As a matter of fact,
based on the flashback scene in 'Dead Air', I was nearly convinced that he
*was* Oedipus and Janette had been with him from day one. I think the only
reference in any season that LaCroix made to his *ahem* well-preserved
status was in 'Killer Instict' when he commented that he was 'much too old
and powerful' for Nick to have killed him with a puny little flaming stake
through the heart (So much for shish-ke-LaCroix). Fortunately for
canon-knights, nothing on the show utterly contradicted the 79AD conversion
date. He did claim to have taught Nero the tune the music-loving Emperor
played while Rome burned, which was some fifteen years prior to the
destruction of Pompeii, but that would be well within his mortal lifetime.
Obviously he was a precocious youth <g>.
>2. Has it ever been proven that the FK vampires cry blood? Every single
>piece of fiction I've ever read always has them with red bloodtears
>(including my own), but was this actually canon or is it just a trend that
>developed out of fiction?
This one's been hashed out on the list before, but good topics (like good
characters) never really die. The only overt indication that FK vampires
weep blood is near the end of 'Baby Baby' when Serena turns to Nick,
obviously very upset, and there is a streak of blood along the side of her
nose. *I* thought it was a blood tear, but opinions differ. There is also
the well-documented evidence that vampires sweat blood. Nick's certainly
woken up in a cold bloodsweat often enough, so I don't think it's such a
huge leap to believe that vampires would also cry blood as well as perspire
it.
>3. When Janette was brought back across, do you think she was put back at
>square one or do you think she still had the age benefits of being 1000?
>(FK vampires seem to have power that develops with age).
The only canonical evidence for Janette's post-reconversion status would be
the efficiency with which she dispatched the two thugs in the railway
station. No coaxing needed for this baby birdie to try her wings!
Personally I think she would start again pretty close to square one, but
that her forward progress would be accelerated. She certainly would need no
'training' and her knowledge of the territory would be absolute. Perhaps
one could look at the vampire-element as a kind of symbiote--the longer it
inhabits a host, the better both partners adjust to their duel existence
and the more each benefits from the association. Janette, as a previous
host, would already be 'broken in' as it were. The one thing that might
limit her progress would be the difference between LaCroix and Nick as
sponsors. Remember, LaCroix was at least 1,000 years old when he brought
Janette across and has maintained a healthy relationship with his own
vampire-element. Nick, inarguably, falls short on both counts.
I generally get 26mpg city and 32mpg hwy. How doth your mileage vary?
Erika <wilsone1@e.......>
"One bimbo who refuses to stay condemn'd"
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:10:23 -0800
From: deb <totoq@r.......>
Subject: Re: Questions about FK vampirism
Diane Harris wrote:
>
> Well, I was brainstorming for a new piece of fanfiction and three questions
> popped into my mind that I just couldn't answer.
>
> 1. Did LaCroix ever actually say he was 2000 years old, or did the fans
> figure that out based on the year Pompeii was destroyed?
I thought it came from when Divia brought him across and Pompeii was
erupting.
> 2. Has it ever been proven that the FK vampires cry blood? Every single
> piece of fiction I've ever read always has them with red bloodtears
> (including my own), but was this actually canon or is it just a trend that
> developed out of fiction?
I don't remember that there were blood tears, but there were a few
episodes where Nick awoke from a dream and had blood sweat on his
forehead. I had always assumed that there was something traded between
their immortality and emotions that Vampires didn't actually cry, but I
would assume if they did it would be a blood mixture since that is their
source of fluid.
> 3. When Janette was brought back across, do you think she was put back at
> square one or do you think she still had the age benefits of being 1000?
> (FK vampires seem to have power that develops with age).
Since Janette hadn't forgotten her previous Vampiric state, I think she
would go right back to where she was, except her connection to Nick
would be stronger and her connection to LaCroix would be weaker.
Just my 2Ē
deb
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:51:42 EST
From: TheLadyT@a.......
Subject: Top of the Food Chain Review (Major Spoilers--Beware!)
Rayne wrote:
<< Just out of curiosity ( I was no mail for a while), have
any of those of us who have seen the movie report to the
list on what we thought? I'm sure there must have been a
few reports since it's been out a couple of weeks now here
(Canada). >>
I saw the movie when it premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival
last September. The following is a review I posted to the nigelbennett list
on onelist later that month.
If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read further because I discuss the
movie indepth.
You have been warned.
------
(Please don't repost or forward the following without permission.)
As some of you know, I was fortunate enough to be able to attend the
screening of "Top of the Food Chain."
I'd been forewarned, through all the reading I'd done about the movie, that
this was supposed to be some retro-50s wierdness-filled homage-paying
fun-filled comedic tribute to the best and the worst of all horror films.
I'd also heard that many of their special effects weren't cgi but simply
camera tricks and props and makeup. Based on that, I was expecting a cheesy
plot, cheap gags, two-bit dialogue, and plenty of T&A.
I got all that, and more (g).
This movie was really well done. The dialogue was intelligently crafted, the
sight gags were impressive, and the acting was marvelous. As a spectator, I
could really tell that the actors were having fun, and I can imagine that the
special effects and make-up people had a blast as well. Artistically, and
intellectually, I have to take my hat off to everyone involved.
Cheesy plot: Small town--destitute because the nut factory shut down and most
people move away--receives two visitors: a nuclear scientist and a
human-flesh-eating alien. After much trial and tribulation, good triumphs
over evil and not only is the alien killed and its plot foiled but everyone
is restored to life and health and all the people who moved away come back to
help restore the town to its previous prosperity. (It just don't get any
cheesier than this!)
Backstory:
The town: The nut factory goes bust and so all the intelligent people with
any sense and resources take off for greener pastures. (BTW, these are nuts
as in nuts and bolts, but the factory only makes the nuts.) This leaves the
destitute, mostly unintelligent, and pretty-much wacko people behind to take
over all the houses, jobs, and prominent positions left behind. Everyone is
strange for the most part, and to get the T&A stuff in, fairly preoccupied
with sex (although to keep with the 50s aspect of the film, no T or A is ever
shown; well, except for the heeshee doll, but that's a story for a non-PG
list).
The aliens: Flesh-eating aliens are in search of a food source and find
humans to be very high in cholesterol and low in fiber--perfect for their
diet.
Had enough cheese yet?
All the male characters (with the exception of one) have feminine names:
Carol, Michelle, Dale, Dana, Kim, Gail, etc. (but several are spelled in a
more masculine manner--Keral, Michel, and Gale, for example).
The one male character who has a masculine name is Guy Fawkes (pronounced
"guy fox").
More cheese?
My two favorite characters:
Sandy Fawkes (pronounced "sandy fox"), Guy's sister and co-owner of Fawkes
Bed and Breakfast, was an alternately campy and demure beauty who kept every
male at arm's length, except for the visiting nuclear scientist (Dr. Keral
Lamonte). When she was being her most sexy she was being her most innocent,
and when she was being her most innocent she was being her most sexy.
(Brilliantly portrayed by the actress--Fiona Loewi---I have no clue how the
woman pulled it off, but it worked!)
Michel O'Shea was the traveling va-cu-um sales-man, cum g-man, cum
human-flesh-eating alien. (Marvelously portrayed by Nigel Bennett, btw.
Partial? Me?) His speech was stilted, yet exactingly pronounced--hence why
I use "va-cu-um sales-man." (Oh, if only I had the dialogue handy--this
character's strengths were in his speech.) His territories read like altered
body parts (another play on his eating habits): Blad-der-town and Fe-tus
stick out in my mind, but there were so many others that he listed. (I had a
hard time concentrating on what he was saying 'cause I was alternately trying
to keep quiet, as a courtesy to fellow movie-goers, and laughing so hard I
could no longer see straight everytime he spoke.)
My favorite scenes:
"Hold Me!"--Sandy enters Dr Keral Lamonte's room terribly upset about what's
going on in the town. Unfortunately, Keral (aka the nuclear scientist) was
only just partially dressed and is terribly embarassed to have Sandy, um,
Miss Fawkes, see him like this. As he tries to alternately cover himself and
dress, she laments. She finally maneuvers him to sit on the bed next to her
and in heated passion she says, "Hold me!" He looks at her with similar
passion, but with slight confusion as he tries to figure out what to do next.
She repeats, "Hold me!" The nuclear scientist takes action--in one swift
move, he grabs her head and "holds" her. (He had one hand over her mouth and
nose, the other on the back of her head, and he "held" her about two feet
from his body--hehehe)
"Dale's Song"--Sheriff Dale is "investigating" the disappearance of a local
fisherman and on his way to talk to the fisherman's wife. The sheriff is
also in love with Sandy, and terribly jealous of the attention she's paying
to the nuclear scientist. In song and dance, Dale describes his male prowess
and skills as a sheriff. (This is another time I wish I had the dialogue
before me--it was terribly corny and incredibly funny, and the dance was a
real hoot!)
Keral and Guy's Love Scene--a tribute to every corny
falling-in-love-under-dangerous- circumstances scene. Guy and Keral are
frantically searching the woods for Sandy. Guy gets hysterical and so Keral,
trying to calm him, slaps him. They both fall to their knees as Guy breaks
into tears. Keral holds Guy close, assuring him that everything will work
out right as Guy sobs. After a few moments, Guy looks up into Keral's
reassuring face. Suddenly their looks turn into ones of longing and love,
and the way they're holding one another changes from clinging to fond caress.
(No, they didn't kiss!) They then get up and decide to head back to town
for help. While climbing a slight incline, Guy slips and falls--he's hurt
his ankle. Guy tells Keral to go ahead without him, but Keral swears he
won't leave Guy behind. Keral removes his vest and places it around Guy's
shoulders and, with a flourish, picks Guy up and carries him to town.
"Vir-gin Ter-ri-tor-y"--Sandy is cleaning rooms and walks into Michel
O'Shea's room to find Michel on his bed. She apologizes but Michel tells her
to please go right ahead and clean. (One more time where I wish I had the
dialogue in front of me. Suffice it to say that Sandy's "innocence"--ie, her
campy, provocative moves--combined with Michel's stilted, yet exacting,
speech had me wanting to break into hysterics. However, I totally lost it
when Michel told Sandy that he was thinking of adding Exceptional Vista to
his sales route because it was such nice "vir-gin ter-ri-tor-y." I don't
even remember how that scene ended, I was laughing so hard.)
"That Peckish Feeling"--near the end of the movie, Michel has kidnapped Sandy
and taken her to one of the empty houses in town. He's prepared some bread
and wine for Sandy and is describing who he is and why he came to Earth.
Sandy asks him what he wants from her. He replies, "Well, I'm feel-ing a
lit-tle peck-ish." (Nigel had broken into an almost LaCroix-like voice as he
had been describing what he and his kind were going to do to the people of
Earth, yet when he delivered the "peck-ish" line he went back into his
alien-speak tone. Needless to say, I totally lost it! BTW, Nigel's lines
were all a hoot--it's worth watching the movie just to listen to him speak.
But trust me on this--you've *never* heard him speak like this before!)
All in all, I thought "Top of the Food Chain" was a great movie. What's
more, Nigel's performance most definitely makes it a "can't miss" movie for
any die-hard Nigel Bennett fan--I can't wait for this one to come out on
video (g).
Lora
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:32:57 -0500
From: "Laura C. Vandivier" <lmc@g.......>
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain Review (Major Spoilers--Beware!)
I have the script. If anyone has dialog questions, I'll be happy to
look them up. I haven't actually seen the movie though, so some things
might be different.
--Laura
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:52:21 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
In a message dated 3/21/00 8:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, BJDFKFan@a.......
writes:
<< << Puchases are by check, in U.S. dollars. Sorry, no credit card orders.
Send your order to Library, The Hollywood Reporter, 5055 Wilshire Blvd. 6th
Floor, Los Angeles, CA. 90036-4396 -- Attention back issues.
>>
Thanks Becky. That really does help!
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:59:49 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly???
In a message dated 3/21/00 10:03:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
arclevel@m....... writes:
<< Well, I'm no physicist, but I think weird things would happen if they went
faster than the speed of sound (ie, small sonic booms.) That would give
them a maximum speed of about 340 km/s, or about 760 mph, if I converted
correctly.
>>
My two cents......
I have a pilot's license and a BS in Aerospace Tech. [credentials to prove
validity] . The speed of sound is actually determined by the size of the
'aircraft.' A MD80, Boeing 747, and an F14 all have a different speed to
break the sound barrier because of their size and weight. So if a human
could fly, the speed would be a lot different.
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:01:07 -0000
From: Tracy Gooding <Tracy.Gooding@n.......>
Subject: Re: fanfic question...how fast can vampires fly???
Amanda R Cleveland wrote 22/03/00 03:03 GMT
<<Well, I'm no physicist, but I think weird things would happen if they went
faster than the speed of sound (ie, small sonic booms.) That would give
them a maximum speed of about 340 km/s, or about 760 mph, if I converted
correctly.>>
and KnightWitch added at 22/03/00 08:00 GMT
<snip><<The speed of sound is actually determined by the size of the
'aircraft.' A MD80, Boeing 747, and an F14 all have a different speed to
break the sound barrier because of their size and weight.>>
The speed of sound is determined by the density of the medium in which sound is
transmitted, e.g. 331 m/s (740 mph) at 0 degrees C for air at 1 atmosphere
pressure. The speed of an object required to break the speed of sound varies
with the profile of the projectile, which is why you see a spike and cone
assembly on the front of many (all?) supersonic aircraft. But that shouldn't
prevent the FK vamps from breaking the speed of sound, especially since the
flight instabilities suffered at high subsonic speeds disappear once supersonic
flight is achieved, except perhaps because the sonic booms might alert the good
people of Toronto to their presence.
Tracy
Tracy.Gooding@n.......
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:59:12 -0500
From: "Brenda F. Bell" <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Supersonic vamp flight (WAS: Re: fanfic question...how fast can
vampires fly???)
At 11:01 AM 3/22/00 -0000, Tracy Gooding wrote:
>...that shouldn't prevent the FK vamps from breaking the speed of sound,
How about the thermal effects? Consider the matter of skin friction between
the vamp's hair/clothes/epidermis and the surrounding air. At minimum, the
vamp's head would heat up considerably.
Consider also flight altitude. We usually see the vamps flying at a
relatively low altitude (thanks to the vamp-eye-view camera on an
ultralight? aircraft), where they shouldn't have to worry about air
temperature dropping below freezing...
>especially since the flight instabilities suffered at high subsonic speeds
disappear once supersonic flight is achieved, except perhaps because the
sonic booms might alert the good people of Toronto to their presence.
Now you and KnghtWtch have me wondering about how lift and drag would be
calculated on the vamp-in-flight profile...
Brenda F. Bell, Information Analyst
brendab@a.......
Aerospace Access
A Service of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:06:22 -0000
From: Tracy Gooding <Tracy.Gooding@n.......>
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
Brenda F Bell wrote at 22/03/00 11:59 GMT
<<How about the thermal effects? Consider the matter of skin friction between
the vamp's hair/clothes/epidermis and the surrounding air. At minimum, the
vamp's head would heat up considerably.>>
Fly higher and cool down? Is Screed's headgear in danger of being pilfered?
<<Consider also flight altitude. We usually see the vamps flying at a
relatively low altitude (thanks to the vamp-eye-view camera on an
ultralight? aircraft), where they shouldn't have to worry about air
temperature dropping below freezing...>>
Ice on the shoulders sounds like an everyday problem in Toronto's winter.
<<Now you and KnghtWtch have me wondering about how lift and drag would be
calculated on the vamp-in-flight profile...>>
Not to mention the drag and turbulence effects from wearing a flappy duster
coat. Is this why leather jackets and coats are often the garments of choice?
Tracy
Physicist at large
Tracy.Gooding@n.......
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:59:06 -0500
From: "Brenda F. Bell" <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Supersonic vamp flight
At 12:06 PM 3/22/00 -0000, Tracy Gooding wrote:
>Not to mention the drag and turbulence effects from wearing a flappy
duster coat. Is this why leather jackets and coats are often the garments
of choice?
Hmm... but if the duster coat were treated with wax, as are the traditional
Australian Drover Coats (Nick's first-season duster), they are pretty
darned stiff... perhaps Nick's flight attitude causes the capelet to act as
a canard, or perhaps ailerons (if the capelet back "flies up") and the
lower half of the coat to act as flaps? The fantail (usually not visible
unless you're riding horseback or something... most people keep the
securing snap snapped) could be unsnapped and stuck "out" to act as a
vertical stabilizer...
The leather get-ups probably serve as anti-friction protection, the same
way it does for motorcyclists. We have found (StF) that they do work as
reasonable anti-sun protection for short exposure times...
Now wondering... if vamps could fly *hypersonic*, would they heat up so
badly they'd self-combust (fire hazard), or would their self-preservation
skills stop them from reaching the danger level? If they *did* heat up
(from skin friction during flight), would a high enough flight speed cause
a thermally-induced increase in their circulatory rates? Would there be
some flight conditions in which the thermal effects would cause a
circulation gradient (faster in the head and shoulders, slower in the legs
and feet)? Would that gradient create the same effects in vamps as g-stress
does in humans? Can vamps suffer g-loc?
Oh, the questions!
Caerphilly passing the crumbly Stilton...
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
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