FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606E Part 1
June 27-June 28, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606E" Part 1
TOPICS:
The End of NiQ (2)
How Nat found out about Nick (4)
Ribena-based drinks? (2)
hiccupping hamsters?
Nick is Alive!
Help (2)
Spoilers: Human Factor
LIST RULES: You thought I was gone?
James Hong
Languages Nick speaks (was: YKYB...)
An Awwww Report.
Blood in the morgue
SPOILER:Francesca <was: Re: Nick speaking German>
"Second-string" episodes
Blood in the morgue/etc. (4)
SPOILER: AtA and Re: The End of NiQ
obsessive longevity
CotK / Unnamed Designations (2)
Mutilated socks?
Nick speaking German: Good Faith Spoiler Warning, too
FK CD Ordering
SPF 1,000,000
FK CD in STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-)
Cousins of the Knight-Unite!
Raven blood source?
Roman names
End of NiQ, and NK & LC
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:09:49 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: The End of NiQ
Tippi wrote:
>Nope. This is how my tape goes: NK goes to Tracy's apt, realizes she's at
>the warehouse, zooms off to aforementioned warehouse, struggles with perp,
>perp goes tumbling to his death, NK grimaces a bit, then it cuts to LC
>saying his ditty as the Nightcrawler. "...who needs enemies?" Finis.
Oh, Tippi! That is NOT the end of NiQ.
And I *know* about clipped tags (HF, anyone?).
LaCroix: "All's well that ends well. Although it never really does end...
for some of us... anyway. Until tomorrow, I remain a friend to all, and
as always, when you have a friend in the Nightcrawler, who needs enemies?"
<Insert Commercial>
Begin Tag
<stock shot of caddy> <sound of piano>
<inside loft; Nick at piano; Nat zipping her overnight bag on the table>
Nat: "So, I guess it's business as usual. <beat> Oh, uh, Nick? I know
that you're probably 100%, but I think it's maybe a good idea if you
stayed home for a while."
<Nick rises and walks over to her, his left hand in pocket, right hand
stroking her arm>
Nick: "There's someone I need to talk to first."
<Nat's gaze drops; she brushes her arm against his chest; raises her eyes>
Nat: "I know that I can't fill in *all* the blanks."
<she begins to leave; Nick reaches out to her>
Nick: "Nat? You were right. It is a lot to take in all at once. <he
rubs his hand across her back> But bear with me."
<he kisses her temple> <she closes her eyes>
<they look in each other's eyes; Nat smiles and leaves>
<dissolve to caddy outside Raven>
<LaCroix walking alone in Raven; goes to bar; pours glass; Nick approaches>
LaCroix: "Nicholas. I'm so glad that you're well. <sits> What brings
you in? Social call? Some urgent police matter, perhaps?"
<Nick shakes his head>
Nick: "Just a feeling. I'm guessing *you* can fill in the blanks for
me. <beat> Help me figure out who I am. <beat> *All* of who I am."
LaCroix: "It's nearly dawn. You'll have to spend the day. Do you have
plenty of time?"
Nick: "Eternity, so I'm told." <grins>
LaCroix: "Good. Because, because what you *are*... Nicholas... is a
long, long story." <snorts; smiles evilly>
<shot of Nick's face, serious>
END
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
Going to California, but not the Gerthering....
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:20:46 -0400
From: Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject: How Nat found out about Nick
Hi!
Here's another question for you all.
What had happened to Nick when Nat found out about him being a vampire? I
know that his body was sent to her because he was believed to be dead, but
what exactly had happened to him? A car accident? A fire?
Please help. Thanks!
____________________________________________________________________________
Frederic Ferland |
mrhappy@m....... | Very funny, Scotty.
http://www.mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm | Now beam down my clothes!
Natpacker & Perkulator (!) |
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:51:30 -0700
From: Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena-based drinks?
I have some recipes along this line- they're some I got off the list a
while a go. If anyone wants me to post them, let me know!
-Jerimi--->paul9454@r.......
# An equation is worth a thousand words. #
Disgruntled Vaquero
I'd like you all to meet my baby rat- Vachon. He enjoys nibbling on my
ears.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:40:05 +0000
From: Lisa <redjasper@e.......>
Subject: hiccupping hamsters?
Are the psuvm hamsters hiccupping? I've just received three
digests dated from Saturday and Sunday...that I'd already received
on Saturday and Sunday. In other words, I suddenly seem to be
getting the "Doublemint Twins" version of FORKNI-L, but a few days
apart. :) Is this happening to anyone else? Replies OFF-LIST, por
favor, to spare our overworked rodents!
Lisa W. * redjasper@e.......
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 01:02:44 -0400
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Re: Nick is Alive!
Rabinowitz -
> Would anyone care to discuss the merits of a vampire postage
> stamp designer?
(1) He keeps the same hours you do, so you don't have to worry
about the post office being closed by the time you get out
of work.
(2) New meaning to Air Mail... (And what an Air Male!!
(Raarr, raarr! <drool>)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:56:26 -0500
From: MISS CHARLOTTE S TURLEY <LWGR27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: Help
Hi Mei,
I've worked as a pharmacy tech for 16 years now so if you need info
on medications, I'm your gal. You can reach me at the email address
in the header or at my primary email address: CTurley969@a.......
I don't use my Prodigy very much but AOL seems to be having some
email problems the last couple of days. Anyway, you can also count
me as a fan. I have been really enjoying your Season Four stories
and am looking forward to seeing more.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:22:15 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Spoilers: Human Factor
Some friends have encouraged me to do this now, rather than waiting until
the episode airs this weekend. I usually don't take advice, but this
time, knowing that once the episode has aired I probably won't even read
the list for a few days, I thought I'd heed the voices of those wiser than
I and say my piece. This post will contain spoilers for Human Factor and
maybe for Last Knight.
So, if you don't want to read spoilers for Human Factor, Cynthia style, go
away now.
***
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***
HF hurts. HF messes with someone I've come to know and love in ways that
are painful and difficult to discuss. In some ways I'm glad the debates
that drove me off the list in February were over whether Janette was dead
or alive, because I don't know that I could have come back to the lists if
the debates had been about the assassination of Janette's character. She
deserved a better script for her only appearance of the season, and
although from an actor's perspective Deborah Duchene got a goldmine, from
a character perspective, I feel cheated.
Janette, in DD's own words:
"Janette is 99% proud of being a vampire and only 1% saddened by the loss
of her humanity"; "For Janette, anyway, [the sexual pull] is always
involved in any relationship with anybody."
Both of those things got taken from her in HF and what were they replaced
with? An anti-feminist fantasy about being rescued by a firefighter (the
difference between a 13th century knight and a 20th century firefighter
being ... exactly what?), falling in love on the rebound, losing her lover
and becoming human, and suddenly discovering the joys of motherhood.
None of that is the Janette I know and love and I don't care how many
times I hear from people that there are ways to read the first two seasons
so it makes sense, it doesn't make sense to me. I have come to accept
Human Factor as Janette's ever so practical response to what life hands
her; that's as far as I've made it. (Hey, I still assiduously ignore BMV
... acceptance is an improvement over that, isn't it?)
Love Robert? Sure. Love of her life? Not on your life. She even says
it herself: It was like the emotions of 800 years were finally released.
That wasn't grief about Robert, although it was certainly triggered by
that, that was just plain old ordinary grief finally getting released
after too long. In pain? You bet. Who does she go to? Nick. Who helps
her, with little or no question in spite of what things look like? Nick.
The absence of sexual tension? That was a complete and utter screw-up in
my opinion, purely so they could drag the "She's human" surprise out to
one more commercial break. That was a bad directing choice, in an attempt
to increase the dramatic impact of the revelation that she was mortal: if
she and Nick had touched, Ger couldn't have pulled off the "I can't tell
about her" that he managed, vaguely to pull off until the end of act two
or three.
Did Nick do the right thing when he brought her back over against her
will? In the script, after Janette says "no" to Nick's offer, the note
indicates that Nick hesitates, trying to decide if Janette's death will
have the same impact on him that Robert's had on her and deciding that his
own mortality isn't worth her life. Given that, I say Nick did do the
right thing ... not to mention what I'd think of him if he hadn't done it.
Not to mention what it tells us about the "cure" itself.
Because finally, I think that the biggest problem with Human Factor isn't
whether Nick was a jerk, Janette was out of character, or even how
ambiguous the "not supposed to be ambiguous" ending was or wasn't. The
biggest problem with the episode was that it moved the idea of a cure from
the realm of the possible to the realm of the actual.
And that lead to Last Knight. See, Nick really did understand what
Janette's cure entailed, and he was right to keep telling Nat that he
didn't want to risk it. That cure required a death, a breakdown, and
finally, probably, a leap of faith that would be utterly unavailable to
someone who *knew* that the cure was even possible. But in any case,
Janette's cure carried too high a price ... and Nick knew better for a
while than to try it. This is especially true if we accept the premise
from Francesca that blood carries all those memories with it ...
Enough from me. I haven't been that forthcoming about this episode, even
with my friends. If you've made it this far, please be aware that for
some of us, this episode was as painful as Last Knight was for others and
as big a betrayal. In the interests of those who were here in February, I
hope we take it easier this time than we did then ... and in the interests
of those who are new here, please consider this a reminder that some of us
have a longstanding relationship with a character who has a rough time in
this episode. Be careful with her for all of our sakes, okay?
Raven Cynthia, off to So. California to meet some friends for the weekend
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
feminism is the radical notion that women are people
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 01:21:28 -0500
From: MISS CHARLOTTE S TURLEY <LWGR27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: Help
Sorry guys, that last message was a personal email that wasn't
intended for the list. My AOL email has been having a lot of
problems the last few days so I've been using my Prodigy instead and
I didn't realise that Prodigy would send my message to the list
regardless of my directions as well as to the person to whom it was
intended.
Once again, my apologies for the waste of your time.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 01:41:49 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena-based drinks?
Yeah--post 'em!!!
As I bemoan the fact I'm stuck in an office while those others are off to the
Gerthering it's only fitting I get drunk this weekend in style!
~Joy~~
~~Member UF~~Cousin of the Knight~~
Dark Knightie~~Cousin (it's an aquired taste)
***enJOYing an endless Forever Knight...***
*You will always be mine* LC to Nick
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 06:34:40 GMT
From: Webgoddess On The Road <immajer@n.......>
Subject: LIST RULES: You thought I was gone?
Think again. The Webgoddess See-eth All.
People:
You are to quote ONLY FOUR LINES of posts you are replying to.
Your sigs are to be NO MORE THAN FIVE LINES LONG.
Violators are being set to nopost AT THIS VERY MOMENT. Without warning.
Because you should ALL KNOW BETTER.
The list rules can be found at http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FK.html. Study
them. Memorize them. Tattoo them on the insides of your eyelids if you
must.
But keep firmly in mind that these are not optional guidelines.
I am on vacation. Can you say "vacation"? Sure you can.
I should not have to be here right now dealing with e-mail.
The fact that I am is NOT a good sign.
I love you all. Now PLAY NICE OR I'LL KILL YOU.
Have a nice day.
Cheers,
Jamie M.R. <I'm not home, so don't write back>
Sig-less and annoyed, yet triumphant in nok-hockey
having been anointed with the Evil Menthol Stuff
and Who Should Definitely Not Be Fed To a Rat
Hissing and snarling at the computer in an alarming manner.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:12:20 -0800
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: James Hong
I believe that Mr. Hong speaks Cantonese with an American-English dialect.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:45:56 -0400
From: Cal <calm@a.......>
Subject: Re: Languages Nick speaks (was: YKYB...)
> Didn't he also speak Russian? I can't remember the epi. name but he was
> friends with the czar.
Was that Strings?
Cal
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 07:09:15 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: The End of NiQ
Amy enlightened:
>Oh, Tippi! That is NOT the end of NiQ.
>And I *know* about clipped tags (HF, anyone?).
Grr. I must have racked up bad karma somewhere along the way.
<Snip!>
>LaCroix: "Good. Because, because what you *are*... Nicholas... is a
>long, long story." <snorts; smiles evilly>
><shot of Nick's face, serious>
Well hmm that *is* a lot different from my ending! ;) LC snorts? Oy the
mental image.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:10:03 -0400
From: The Phoenix <jap8@c.......>
Subject: An Awwww Report.
In the wee hours of yesterday morning, I was awakened by a kitty cat in
labor. By the time I got home, my Pounce had had three little bundles of
joy. Two were dark grey tabby/patchy, and the third was a light grey
tabby. And all were soooooo cuuuuuuuuute.
Everyone do a collective 'awwwwwwwww'.
Now, mom's not letting me keep any of them (not even that light grey --
*POUT*), so I'm coming to you lot to see if anyone would like to own one
or more of these kittens. You have to be willing to drive to central PA
when they're old enough to be weaned, as well as the requirement of having
a good home.
Red.
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goth crowd that was there. :P
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:36:58 E
From: Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject: Re: How Nat found out about Nick
>What had happened to Nick when Nat found out about him being a vampire?
>I know that his body was sent to her because he was believed to be dead,
>but what exactly had happened to him? A car accident? A fire?
A pipe bomb.
The person who wheeled him into the morgue told Nat that he
tried to stop a robbery and was tossed a pipe bomb for his
troubles. He also told her she didn't have to worry about
having much of a face to look at. She unzipped the bag and
found he only had a few scratches. She turned to make a
phonecall asking if she was delivered the right body and when
she turned back, he was up and about.
This was in first season's "Only the Lonely".
Here's a related question:
When Nick revived, he found fresh blood in the morgue cooler.
Now why would a morgue keep fresh blood on supply??
Debra Ann
Dark Knightie * N&NPacker
HeLLLion
Guenvier@a....... or fiorini@a.......
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:09:31 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject: Blood in the morgue
When this was first discussed on Forkni-l, eons ago, (short chorus
of "The Old Gray Mare, She Ain't What She Used to Be, for those of
us who remember <g>), we had someone with a background in this sort
of thing.
She said that morgues and coroner's offices *do* keep blood on hand.
Sometimes "dead" bodies turn out to be alive and in need of an
immediate transfusion.
I've wondered if the "donated plasma" in Blackwing was outdated stuff
from the morgue.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:52:47 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: SPOILER:Francesca <was: Re: Nick speaking German>
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At 05:37 PM 6/27/96 -0500, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
>> Outside the Lines.... if
>spoiler-protected revelations from Francesca were true, Nick should have
>known easily whether or not Marie-Claire was the traitor.
From what we saw in Last Knight, it looks like the impressions gotten from
drinking blood might not be that easy to interpret. That might even be
more true if the motivation for killing has less to do with bloodlust
itself, and more to do with anger or revenge. Nick wasn't interested in
knowing all about Marie-Claire; he assumed he already knew. So he might
not have not been paying too much attention to the impressions he was getting
from her blood.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:57:20 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: "Second-string" episodes
Jean lamented:
>> where the heck did Nick go to get out of the sun in the
>> middle of nowhere in the Arizona desert??
Actually, in The Code Nickie and the bounty hunter were only a few
feet from a mine. Mines are dark, deep and cool, even in mid-day.
Arizona has lots of mines, even in the hottest areas. Some folks in Bisbee
told me that Biker Desperados still come to Az and sleep in the empty mines.
Gk
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:37:18 -0500
From: Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject: Re: Blood in the morgue/etc.
and
slight
spoiler
for
"last
knight"
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At 08:36 AM 6/28/96 E, you wrote:
>This was in first season's "Only the Lonely".
>
>Here's a related question:
>When Nick revived, he found fresh blood in the morgue cooler.
>Now why would a morgue keep fresh blood on supply??
At 09:09 AM 6/28/96 EDT, you wrote:
>She said that morgues and coroner's offices *do* keep blood on hand.
>Sometimes "dead" bodies turn out to be alive and in need of an
>immediate transfusion.
now, is this the ep that was flashback material for LK?
if so,
does anyone have OtL on tape (and who's willing to tape
it for me, for some $/etc./no blood)? [if not, tha's okay, i
won't combust over it]_
as for the morgue scene, i wondered about that too!
i wonder if spontaneous reanimation is a common thing. yech.
oh yes, and in the flashback in LK--when the bodybag was
moved around, i noticed a lot of blood (on the slab, etc)--but
when Nick heals, he gets up and all the blood is gone. and
his clothing is intact. okay, i assumed the blood would stay
where it was and at least his clothing would be tattered, unless
they didn't show the whole scene. does the blood evaporate?
does it go back into Nick? does his clothing heal too?!
or am i just looking too much into details? >sigh<
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:54:08 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: SPOILER: AtA and Re: The End of NiQ
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At 09:09 PM 6/27/96 -0700, Amy R. wrote:
>....end of NiQ.
>LaCroix: "Good. Because, because what you *are*... Nicholas... is a
>long, long story." <snorts; smiles evilly>
I don't remember a snort and it didn't look to me like LaCroix was smiling
evilly. There was a line in NiQ during one of LC's monologues after he said,
"You must come back." He said, "The way back for one is the way back for
the other." I kept wondering what that line meant until later in the
season after seeing AtA. After seeing that episode, I think what LaCroix
meant is that if he could accept Nicholas more, as Nick is, instead of trying
so hard to change him, then Nicholas might be able to accept LaCroix more.
I think that's what LaCroix tried to do through much of third season. AtA
showed how well it worked. So I think at the end of NiQ, LaCroix would
have been trying hard not to do anything that might push Nick away.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:38:38 E
From: Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject: Re: Blood in the morgue/etc.
Re: Only the Lonely (flashback)
>i noticed a lot of blood (on the slab, etc.) -- but when Nick heals
>he gets up and all the blood is gone.
The flashback that you mention did not show the whole scene.
While Nat has her back turned and is on the phone, all of the
blood on Nick, the slab, etc., gets sucked back into his body.
That's where all the blood went. He absorbed all he was in
contact with.
However, how the clothes fixed themselves - I don't know.
Debra Ann
Dark Knightie* N&NPacker
Guenvier@a....... or fiorini@a.......
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:06:15 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Blood in the morgue/etc.
At 12:38 PM 6/28/96 E, Debra Ann Fiorini wrote:
>Re: Only the Lonely
>While Nat has her back turned and is on the phone, all of the
>blood on Nick, the slab, etc., gets sucked back into his body.
>However, how the clothes fixed themselves - I don't know.
I've just decided that vampire clothing is immortal too <g>. Hasn't that
gorgeous red robe been around for a long time too?
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
Save FK - http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:34:00 CDT
From: caroline nachman <caroline@s.......>
Subject: obsessive longevity
i wonder what it would really be like to live for centuries at one's
physical peak -- do you think you'd get bored, incredibly saddened, or would
it be possible to find hope and glory in any age?
caroline
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:03:07 -0400
From: Linda Kelly Lieser <LLieser@a.......>
Subject: Re: How Nat found out about Nick
he cought a pipebomb thron at him and thats how he wound up in the morge.on
nat b-daynight! .
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:08:10 -0700
From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@c.......>
Subject: Re: Blood in the morgue/etc.
On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Mad Hatter wrote:
> as for the morgue scene, i wondered about that too!
> i wonder if spontaneous reanimation is a common thing. yech.
Not frequent, but far from unknown. Note references in Victorian times
to burials with a bell that could be rung from inside a casket; mistaking
people in something like a coma has been an issue for some time, and a
horror for centuries....
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:21:37 -0400
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: CotK / Unnamed Designations
In a message dated 96-06-28 10:20:48 EDT, Joy Davis writes:
>We are a small (but growing!) group who believe that the N&LC bond is a
>strong complex one, worthy of the same attention as all the other FK
>pairings.
>We explore every bond but the one for Unnamed Faction. That means all topics
>covering the father/son/brother/master/slave/protege/friend/enemy bonds.
>LOTs of stuff to talk about here! We've got over 800 years of history!
Sounds like the Unnamed Faction to me...
"every bond but the one for Unnamed Faction..." - um, I think this needs to
be clarified - it seems to indicate that the UF is something it's not. We
are NOT about *focusing* on getting a certain two male vampires into amorous
situations, although that aspect can be a part of it. There is by NO MEANS
anything called "the Unnamed bond" or whatever is being referred to.
Joy's description except for that one sentence exactly fits the Unnamed
Faction.
And yes, there's a lot that can be discussed on *this* list. A lot that
interests the Unnamed Faction that is not objectionable to anyone. So if the
Cousins of the Knight want to advertise for their faction here, fine. I'm
not going to get fussy, but I can see where the post could be taken as a
rejection of the Unnamed Faction as the one representing the relationship
between Nick and LaCroix. Looks like two groups with nearly the same goals
to me.
Marcia Tucker
scfimarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Unnamed / Immortal Beloved
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:59:40 -0700
From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@c.......>
Subject: Re: How Nat found out about Nick
On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Linda Kelly Lieser wrote:
> he cought a pipebomb thron at him and thats how he wound up in the morge.on
> nat b-daynight! .
As LC says (in a very different context) "Ouch".
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:46:54 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Re: Mutilated socks?
In a message dated 96-06-28 10:17:56 EDT, John wrote:
>
>"He was brought accross by Jim Henson
> Preyed on children for their laughter
> now he wants to be a sock again...
> to repay the clothing industry for his sins,
> to emerge from his world of muppetry,
> from his endless Forever Knight!
>
>
>Featuring Kermit the Frog as Kermit Knight
> Ms. Piggy as Natalie Hambert
>
>Also featuring
> Schanke, The Chef
> Javier "Animal" Vachon
> Tracy, The Valley Girl
> Lucien "Bald Eagle" Lacroix
>
I See a new thread popping up here. Recast your favorite childrens show with
FK characters.
Mary Davis
We will be creative, we will have fun.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:45:48 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick speaking German: Good Faith Spoiler Warning, too
In a message dated 96-06-28 10:17:57 EDT, you write:
>. There is also the ep (and I can't place it's
>name for certain, either) where Nick and LC meet a young Hitler on a train
>and debate whether to bring him
>across..
It was one of the last episodes and I wondered how the German Producers felt
about it.
Anyone know?
Mary Davis
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:46:37 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK CD Ordering
It might be a good idea to not order direct from GNP Crescendo. If you can
hold out and keep bugging your local record store you create more interest
and possibly bring across some new fans.
It would look bad for FK if stores did finally bring in product and then
couldn't sell it.
Mary Davis
Looking at the angles
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:45:43 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: SPF 1,000,000
In a message dated 96-06-28 10:06:08 EDT, Ray wrote:
> It takes practice, but you can avoid the worst of the blistering heat of the
>day.
> Whether it would work well enough for a vampire can only be
>determined by experiment. SPF 1 Million might help too.
So Ray, would you know where I could get some of that sunscreen? lt gets
blistering hot here in NYC, too.
Mary Davis
But I like to play in the dark, it's cool.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:07:33 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK CD in STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-)
Since the CD is in Blockbuster Music here in Austin, Texas, it must be in
Blockbusters in other cities, too. Call them! Blockbuster is really good
about holding stuff for you, so even though the store may have only one
copy, they will hold it for you if you ask, so you don't really have to
race other people to the store. Just remind them to order more after you
get yours.
At 04:24 PM 6/27/96 -0500, Margie Hammet (i.e. - me) wrote:
>Calling all listmembers in AUSTIN, TEXAS -
>Tower Records near the University has one copy.
>Blockbuster Music on Burnet has one copy.
I was really going to wait until the south store near me had it and buy
it there, but I lost control! I went up to the Burnet store last night
and bought it. But the guy at the Burnet store said he'll put it on their
order sheet to get more. It really is an incredible piece of work!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
Save FK - http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:12:05 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Cousins of the Knight-Unite!
At 04:44 PM 6/27/96 -0400, Joy Davis wrote:
>Cousins of the Knight Faction.
>LOTs of stuff to talk about here! We've got over 800 years of history!
>Just what did LC see in Nick so that he made sure to bring him across?
I think LC brought Nick across just because he liked him. As to _why_ he
liked him, well, I like him, so why not? Seriously though, it's hard to
say why two people like each other; it's often hard for people to say just
why they like the people they like.
Besides that though, I think LaCroix thought Nick was someone he could teach
to be a good vampire. People have described Nick as a "disillusioned"
Crusader. I'm not sure he was ever an "illusioned" Crusader, if he was
forced into the Crusades, but probably LaCroix didn't know that at the time.
So he might have looked to LC like someone who had lost faith not only in
God, but also in man. Such a person might not have too much of a problem
"letting go of his mortal bonds." I don't think LC expected Nick to turn out
to be someone who loved humanity.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
Save FK - http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:51:37 -0400
From: "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@a.......>
Subject: Raven blood source?
Where does the blood served in the Raven come from? Maybe from mortuaries.
Undertakers drain blood from the body in preparation for embalming. That's
where the vampire family in Ray Bradbury's classic short story "Homecoming"
gets their supplies. Also, in Theodore Sturgeon's SOME OF YOUR BLOOD, young
"George" breaks into the back room of the funeral parlor to "say goodbye to
his mother in his own way" by drinking the blood the undertaker has drained
into some sort of container.
Or maybe the Raven just collects discarded (out-of-date) blood from blood
banks. Or maybe both. There ARE ways to get human blood without killing.
Margaret L. Carter
Habitual sipper
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:10:20 -0400
From: Luz Funtowicz <funtowic@p.......>
Subject: Re: CotK / Unnamed Designations
>And yes, there's a lot that can be discussed on *this* list. A lot that
>interests the Unnamed Faction that is not objectionable to anyone. So if the
>Cousins of the Knight want to advertise for their faction here, fine. I'm
>not going to get fussy, but I can see where the post could be taken as a
>rejection of the Unnamed Faction as the one representing the relationship
>between Nick and LaCroix. Looks like two groups with nearly the same goals
>to me.
I don't think anyone intended to hurt anyone else's feelings, or reject
anybody, but the Unnamed faction, as the name suggests, is not hightly
advertised. Personally, I had never heard of it until after the Cousins of
the Knight announced themselves. You're right, the Unnamed and the CotK do
sound like the same thing, but a lot of us didn't know that until now.
Maybe you should talk on this list more, I would certainly be interested in
hearing *everyone's* opinion, and I'm sure that the people on the list are
grown up enough not to find a relationship (not necessarily sexual) between
two men objectionable :)
Luciana
(Cousin of the Knight - or maybe Unnamed, who knows any more :) )
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:42:09 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Roman names
We discussed a while back how Romans of yore got their names. Could someone
remind us? I need speculations as to what LC's dad's name might be. For
the sake of fic. I'd rather not just call him "Yo, Dad" for the whole story.
;)
Thanks.
****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY! Want FK stuff? Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:55:28 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: End of NiQ, and NK & LC
I quoted:
>>LaCroix: "Good. Because what you *are*... Nicholas... is a
>>long, long story." <snorts; smiles evilly>
Margie disputed:
>I don't remember a snort and it didn't look to me like LaCroix was
>smiling evilly.
That the smile is evil is, of course, my opinion.
The snort however, is audible, and noted in the closed captioning.
>There was a line in NiQ during one of LC's monologues after he said,
>"You must come back." He said, "The way back for one is the way back for
>the other."
Actually, I always read that line in light of this one: "We must never
forget *what* we are, or *who* we came from." Founder of the Light
Cousins as I am, I do not see any of that "Light" in the Nightcrawler's
NiQ broadcasts. He is reminiscing about his relationship with his
Nicholas, yes, but he is as firm as ever about his position being the
correct one. What immediately precedes the line Margie cites is, "Lost
friends. Lost from each other, lost from themselves." LaCroix is telling
Nick that the way back to himself (Nick) is through him (LC).
Marcia wrote:
>not going to get fussy, but I can see where the post could be taken as a
>rejection of the Unnamed Faction as the one representing the relationship
>between Nick and LaCroix. Looks like two groups with nearly the same goals
>to me.
The groups are similar, but the distinction is a very important one. Some
of us are, for one reason of another, extremely put off by the "romantic"
element that the UF is willing to discuss. I don't wish to offend
anybody, but, yes, I'm one of those it bothers -- on Nick and Fleur's
behalfs, mainly. I don't like the idea of the UF any more than Laurie
likes the idea of the N&Npack; I am comfortable with the Cousins of the
Knight, however.
Just, as you all tend to say, my two cents.
I'll be off line from now through July 5. Have a great week, all. :-)
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
"There are only two ways to escape eternity. One is to join
the dead, the other to join the living." -- Nick, "Last Act"
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