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Logfile LOG9606C Part 10

June 17, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606C" Part 10

	BM and "Hunters"  (3)
	Lacroix on wheels
	The name Lambert  (2)
	Kindred: the Embraced
	Toronto Trek contact needed
	Question about War  (5)
	Money and Sundry
	Denver FK Fans
	Janette saying "Nick"
	Nick and Nicholas
	working on FK /Red Dwarf crossover..need advice
	SPOILER: LK & Blackwing
	AtA spoiler question
	Killing; blood volume
	Spolers: Blackwing
	Spoilers: AtA
	Save Forever Knight/ Hi from Germany
	The Save Forever Knight Web Page
	Killing, sipping, blood volume
	BM, CRCH & Money

Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:57:25 -0700
From:         Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject:      BM and "Hunters"

> From:    Bonnela <callalily@l.......>
> Nick is a common thief (or is he more along the lines of a Cary Grant-type
> thief)?  Can someone please give details on this?

I would say that Nick was a very uncommon thief.  :-) In "Blood Money,"
we learn that Nick once conspired with the crown prince of France and
another thief (who referred to Nick as his apprentice) to defraud the king
of France by pretending to kidnap the Dauphin (French crown prince).  They
did so, but Nick and the master thief promptly killed the Dauphin and ran
off with the money.  Then Nick challenged his teacher to a duel for the
money, and lost.  Nick, however, for some reason utterly without honor at
that point in time, went and killed the man vampirically, and took the
money anyway.

Nick feels terribly guilty about all of that now, of course.

> rearing horses!  Can you say 'bad career move'?  I think we really have to
> chalk this one up to plot devise (sorry, Ames -- hey, I think that nickname
> is taking hold.  Hope you don't mind. <g>).

I do, actually.  <stomping foot> My name is Amy -- two syllables.  Big,
red letters.  Amy.  Talk to Janette or LaCroix -- some of us were simply
not meant to have nicknames!  :-)

Now, as to the plot device: of course it was.  But, as I always say,
where's the fun in that? :-) Clearly, "Hunters" demonstrated that FK
vampires can and do ride horses.  That would be logical anyway, because
throughout most of history, having horses freak out every time you come
near would have been dangerously conspicuous.  Therefore, despite what
Nick and "Dr. Frakenstein" thought, the horses were spooked by something
other than Nick's presence.

The question is, what was it? Insect bite?  Bad perfume?  Opera critics? :-)

But while everyone is dredging their memories for "Hunters," would someone
please address LaCroix's willingness to abandon Janette?  I don't know
what to make of it.  He's always preferred Nick, but such disregard for
anything that belongs to him seems out of character.  Could he have really
felt it was a choice between their lives and Janette's?  (And no, saying
that he's evil isn't good enough, even in first season, even though he
often is.)

*** Amy, Lady of the Knight  (akr@n.......) ***
"Remember that the faith you've lost is always there to regain... but
that green sock will never be found." -- St. Joan, the LK gag script
   (Keeper of the Light Cousin FAQ: email me for a copy.)
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:21:57 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Lacroix on wheels

Jean wrote:

>Could everyone take a close look at the end of "Father's Day"?
>And please tell me who was driving the Rolls?

The chauffeur. ;)

I had to watch that about 5 times because I thought at first that LC was
driving it!  Eek! ;)

Wicked Cousin Tippi, Infamous Thong Thronger!
*Voyeur of the Menage Lacroix*Founding member Unnamed Faction*
"It's good to be wicked!"
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:38:49 EDT
From:         Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject:      The name Lambert

Someone suggested that with the name Lambert, Nat might speak some
French. Lambert is not necessarily a French name. St. Lambert of
Maastricht was a popular medieval saint and the name was common in
the Middle Ages in England, Germany, and the Low Countries (which are
now Belgium and The Netherlands). In all of these countries, patronymic
surnames may be formed simply by using the unmodified name of the
father, so someone surnamed Lambert could be of English, Lowland
Scots or Irish (both with large English speaking communities and
English language surnames in the Middle Ages), German, Dutch or
Belgian descent.

All we know for sure about Natalie's ancestry is her statement in
Bad Blood that she has relatives in County Cork, Ireland and the
fact that one of her Grandmothers was Slavic, probably Russian or
Ukrainian. The latter comes from the fact that her grandmother called
her Natasha and was herself Grandmother Tash, an apparent shortening
of Natasha. It's ironic, but Nat seems to have been named for her
abusive grandmother.

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:48:18 -0700
From:         Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject:      Kindred: the Embraced

This was off the alt.tv.forever-knight newsgroup - can anyone from Canada
confirm the article?

>->In the June 15 issue of TV Guide {Vancouver Island B.C.} edition
>under the TV Update section  it says:

>->Cyberfans of Fox's Kindred: The Embraced have reportedly helped
>revive the cancelled show. Future episodes and TV movies may soon air on U.S.
>cable channel Showtime.


Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:01:20 -0400
From:         "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject:      Toronto Trek contact needed


A person not on the list asked me (via the FK web page) if I
knew of any member of the concom or the subcommittee for The
Search for Blood Mini-con for Toronto Trek X. This person is
from Nova Scotia and wanted an e-mail contact to find out
(I think) how they could help out at the convention.

Could someone on the ConCom or on the com for TSFB, please
contact me via private e-mail so that I could give this person
a way to contact y'all?

Thanks in advance,

Jasmine, gjwalli@m......., Faithful Ravenette
Keeper of the FK Home Page at www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:24:07 EST
From:         Ronni Katz <ronnik@c.......>
Subject:      WOW!

     All I can say about Susan Garrett's "War Manual"


     I printed it out and gave copies of it to some newbie friends who are
     contemplating joining the fray.  It was concise, fun to read (I got
     strange looks from co-workers as they saw me snickering here at my
     terminal) and very informative.   GOOD JOB!

     Back when I joined the fun (I Lurked during WAR I because *I* was a
     newbie then!) it *was* alot smaller and less convoluted (although the
     PLOTS were convoluted, we plotters still seemed to have all our screws
     tigtened eough to keep things moving...!) but, as the List grew, so
     did our Wars.

     I'm looking forward to meeting some new folks during this next War.
     The Die-Hard always want a few good men and women (and we have a
     really cool base too!)

     C-Ya on the battle lines >vbg>

     Ron THE Enforcer
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:33:51 -0400
From:         Renee Primack <rprimac@e.......>
Subject:      Question about War

Does the War get compiled or should I really try to do that myself?
Since I in no way have the time to actively participate (tried that in
the Highlander war and failed miserably, now I know better), will there
be a compilation after the fact?  Are there for the previous wars, and
where would they be?

Thanks, Renee
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:54:07 -0500
From:         "J.S.Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject:      Re: ANIMATION

Ray of the Nat Vamp Camp says, regarding Animation:

>     Not until the artist learns how to draw women who look like they've
>eaten recently!  Even ever-so-slim Janette looks fat compared to Aeon!

>    Oh no!  Did I just start the "Nat is fat" debate again?  [SHE IS

No, Ray!  You didn't.  You simply noted that animation artists, like fashion
designers, have very little idea of what *real* human beings look like.

Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that
"characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:17:29 -0600
From:         megan lambert <mlambert@u.......>
Subject:      Re: The name Lambert

        Again about Nat's last name.  The last name Lambert is actually a
variation on Lambere, which in itself is a variation on the name
Lamberth.  In Scotland, the clan Lambert was wiped out except for several
men who had been on a hunting/scouting voyage.  These men left Scotland
and roamed Europe, leaving bastards with variations of their name all
over.  During the potato famine in Ireland, many of the Irish left
Ireland to Canada and the US, so Nat could be from either place.  As to
her speaking French, I haven't a clue.

Megan Lambert
"Nick, do you trust me?" Natalie.
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:22:55 -0700
From:         Abby <albrecht@s.......>
Subject:      Re: Question about War

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Renee Primack wrote:

> Does the War get compiled or should I really try to do that myself?

I wouldn't suggest that. It leads to insanity.

> will there be a compilation after the fact?  Are there for the previous
> wars, and where would they be?

The War will be compiled as soon as it is finished. But, please everyone,
give me at least a month before you star asking where it is. When the War
is finished I (or a friend) will post a message saying where you can find
it. Until then, sit and enjoy the calm after the storm. <g>

The other Wars can be found at the ftp site. Oh, and War4 is on my web

abby -- Mercenary. Power is best!
albrecht@c.......   Down the hall  lR.I.P S:AAB & Forever Knight
eponymous2@a.......       Turn right!    lDDEB3, Duchovniks, NLEB, and more
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:16:10 PDT
From:         "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Money and Sundry

Bonnie wrote (among other things):
>Now, has anyone given blood lately?

Is there still a coordinated "Blood for Vampires" event going on?  I give
blood all the time (well, every 56 days or so) and wonder if the
American Red Cross/(and Canadian counterpart?), nationwide, knows about
our "donations in the name of"?  Do they have a way to track specific
donations, outside of an individual blood drive??  If, so then I'd be
HAPPY to say "FOR FK!"  If not, is there a form we can get from ARC/SOS-FK
which we could hand in to the person taking blood to see that our pint of
ribena gets credited toward our "vampire support count?"  Anyone know?

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Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:00:00 MDT
From:         Mirror <HEWEPAME@l.......>
Subject:      Re: Question about War

Can anyone tell me if I need to be subscribed to the fanfic list in
order to participate in the war?

Please email me privately at


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A champion is someone who gets up,
even when they can't.
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:26:56 -0700
From:         Peggy Wiltz <pwiltz@i.......>
Subject:      Denver FK Fans

Hey there!  Anyone in the Denver area who wants to get together in two weeks
for a barbecue/FK Marathon, contact either Peggy at pwiltz@i....... or
Lisa at wyllow@n........  Hope to hear from you!

Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:53:21 -0400
From:         Lisa Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Janette saying "Nick"

>After answering my question, Susan Garrett posed this one:
>> Trivia question--how often and when does Janette called him

Amy wrote:
>Oh!  :-) I just saw "Cherry Blossoms" for the first time, and I
>started giggling when she called him "Nick."

Janette also calls him Nick in Curiouser & Curiouser.  For some
reason, and I haven't rewatched any episodes lately, I think
Janette usually calls him Nick if she's rather annoyed with him.
She seems to call him Nicola(s) as a sign of affection and when she
wants him to know he's acting like a jerk -- Nick :)

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Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:02:08 -0400
From:         June Williams <cousin@w.......>
Subject:      Re: Question about War

>Can anyone tell me if I need to be subscribed to the fanfic list in
>order to participate in the war?
Yes, you must be subscribed to FKFIC-L to participate.  I answered you
publicly so that anyone with the same question will now know.
Never Give Up The Fight For The Knight.
E-Mail me or begin your journey at the homepage:
"I like my men like I like my coffee, pale and bitter" - cousin@w.......
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:27:33 EDT
From:         Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject:      Nick and Nicholas

I've always thought that Janette calls Nick "Nick" in Curiouser &
Curiouser because in this topsy-turvydom, *Janette* is an ordinary
mortal married to the deluded but mortal Nick.

Otoh, Natalie, who is both his captain and his mistress in the dream
or alternate universe calls him "Nicholas."

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:29:38 -0700
From:         Bonnela <callalily@l.......>
Subject:      Re: working on FK /Red Dwarf crossover..need advice

Karen wrote:
> That was my fave. show but like all great shows
>it was cancelled, at least in my area. Heard it is still being shown in

Yes, it is still in production in England -- it was on hiatus while Craig
Charles was in prison on drug charges (which he was cleared of and released,
btw -- "Oops, sorry.  Our mistake." <shrug>)

>Vachon would definatly be the Cat dont you think??? With that
>attitude....he HAS to be Cat!!!! But he could also fit nicely as Rimmer

Excuse me, have you seen *this* show?  Vachon as the cat?  Please!  (Not
that Ben Bass couldn't pull off the role, but Vachon...?  NO.)  And I won't
even go near the Rimmer thing.

I hope that this was not what was meant by an FK/RD cross-over.  Whose idea
was this anyway?  E-mail me privately if you need RD advice.

 -- Bonnie <callalily@l.......>, formerly of the Vachonesque hair

"You gotta dip, you gotta doodle, you gotta shave LaCroix's poodle" - Adam
Sandler if he were an FK fan
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:36:32 -0500
From:         Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: LK & Blackwing

1 (husband's a space-exploration freak, what can I say?)

Idalia wrote:
>People were speculating on the significance of the images Natalie received
>from Nick when he fed from her at the end of LK.  Interestingly, Marion
>Blackwing received many of the *same* images from Nick...

If I remember correctly, the psychic (Dying to Know You?) also got some of
the same images from Nick. In particular, I remember that headshot of Nick
looking wide-eyed and decidedly *green*--what the heck ep is that from,
anyway? So maybe Nick is just surrounded by this grotesque aura... <g>

Also re Blackwing, Marcia observed:
>I didn't think Marian and Nick did it when this ep first came out, but
>I'd have to say... I guess so! <snip> And I'm still not happy with Nat's
>>stomping on Nick's first good feelings in a long time...

Blackwing was one of the first eps I ever saw, long before I realized there
might be some sort of relationship between N&N. I thought Nat's reaction
was just that of the exasperated scientist faced with ridiculously
non-scientific evidence. On watching it again, after I got more of a feel
for how Nat really feels about Nick, I thought she was remarkably
good-natured about the whole thing. Personally, I'd have done something
unspeakable to the little cheater if he managed to do with another mortal
what he insisted he couldn't do with me--and then came to me all happy to
discuss the sordid details! I think maybe his behavior reminded Nat a
little too much of how he acted in The Fix--punch-drunk and lacking his
usual discretion--and she was trying to get him to behave sensibly.
Non-cautious vampires are rather a danger, both to themselves and to
everyone around them.

Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera (who feels great sympathy for Nat, with all the
drek she has to put up with).
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:36:38 -0500
From:         Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject:      Re: BM and "Hunters"

Amy R. wrote:
>But while everyone is dredging their memories for "Hunters," would someone
>please address LaCroix's willingness to abandon Janette?

That surprised me, too. I finally decided that LaCroix was trying to
penetrate her paralyzing fear by making her mad enough to save herself
instead of waiting for him or Nick to help her. We all know that there's an
underlying or hidden purpose in much of what LC says or does; perhaps this
is just another example.

Stephanie Babbitt (Vaquera who loves to justify the unjustifiable)
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:36:48 E
From:         Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject:      AtA spoiler question

The last time I sent something to Forkni-L, the "from" line
listed my address and made it look like a private post. If
anyone knows what I am doing wrong, let me know.

Anyway, I have a AtA question. Spoiler space follows:














I think that's enough.

In AtA, Nick stakes Divia and she seems to be dying pretty quickly.
(in the flashback in NinQ, when LC is staked he is dying *very*
slowly, how come Divia who is so much stronger goes so much faster?
Hmmm?)  Anyway, I was under the assumption that although staking
kills a vampire, they resurrect as soon as the stake is removed.
Isn't that old vamp lore? Isn't that what we saw in NinQ? LC
was fine once the stake was removed by Nick, yes?
Then how come at the end of AtA, Nick kills Divia with a stake,
but when LC goes to burn her body and scatter the ashes to the
wind, the stake has been removed from her body, but she's still
dead?  Shouldn't she have revived when the stake was removed
by LC prior to burning her?
It has been bothering me - the reason why she stayed dead with
no stake, no beheading (again) etc.

Also, why would LC have enough bandages handy to wrap Divia as
a mummy prior to burning? For what reason would LC even have
bandages on him or in the Raven?  I know, as Janette told
Schanke, the Raven caters to the occasional fetishes...but
mummy bandages?
Mental image: LC searching through a closet, pushing an
old bust of himself out of the way, tossing Roman coins,
and every calendar he had from 1718 to 1995 over his shoulder
until he straightens up and holds a box marked "mummy bandages"
in front of him. He remarks, "A-ha! Knew they were in there."
To which Nick answers, "You're a packrat, LaCroix. Don't you
ever throw anything away?"
"Waste not, want not, Nicolas. You never know when something
will come in handy. They don't make them like this anymore."
LC calls over his shoulder as he goes in search of where Nick
left Divia's body.
Hmmm...either that or LC had to find an all-night medical
supply store and with a straight face say, "I need bandages
and lots of them."

Debra Ann
Dark Knightie, N&NPacker
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:41:31 -0400
From:         Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject:      Re: horses

In a message dated 96-06-17 04:57:36 EDT, Amy wrote:

>  Therefore, despite what Nick and "Dr. Frakenstein" thought, the horses
>  were spooked
>  by something other than Nick's presence.
>The question is, what was it? Insect bite?  Bad perfume?  Opera critics? :-)
I've got it!  Weren't they using electricity to zap Nick?  The horse reacted
to the electrical charge!

Mary Davis
Always marvelous, seldom malevolent, usually mischievous
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:13:53 -0500
From:         MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject:      YKYBWTMFKW.....

You know you've been watching too much Forever Knight when you see a
woman sitting across from you in the subway reading a book called
"Flashback", and you think "I never knew Nick wrote a book about his
life - hey, great idea!"

A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!)    Via Internet:  gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
           *** Help save Forever Knight!  Ask me how. ***
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:49:08 -0400
From:         "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Killing; blood volume

OOPS.  My husband says the human body contains 6 pints of blood, not 6
quarts.  If true, it's a bit less absurd, but still too much to "drain" all
at once in a single brief session -- the equivalent of one and a half large
milk cartons.
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:54:25 -0700
From:         Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Mercs

As Grand High Poohbah of the Mercenary Guild, I feel the need to step
forward and defend the principles of Mercish honor...

Judith writes:
> Mercs have also been known to accept payment from both sides.  (If you hire
> them to do something to x then x may also hire them (and possibly pay more)
> for whatever x wants done).

Um... and your point would be.....??? <vwg>

> But Mercs are generally honorable.  If they accept a contract they will
> fulfill it.

Yes, we _have_ to. Although the Charter itself (and yes, we *do* have one)
is available only to members, I can inform you that we are the most
regulated and self-enforcing faction around. (Think Hell's Angels--
they may look real scary and lawless, but they keep they're own in
line in a serious way.) We have procedures for the filing, investigation,
and determination of grievances, and the sentencing and punishment of
offenders. (Even for the impeachment of the GHP-- although I can't
*imagine* why we'd ever need *that*... <g>.)

Yes, we got more than a little obsessive about it.

But it makes for a really nifty Charter and, well...

... the tighter the rules, the more fun it is to worm little loopholes
in-between them. <wg>

(She who came *thiiis* close to getting herself disbarred in War 4...
 and has now been elected to high office-- Gotta love the Guild! ;-)))

Grand High Poohbah of the Mercenary Guild
Dianne la Mercenaire...   -*-   <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
[SOS-FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html]
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:03:28 -0500
From:         Laura Ruggiero <larug@s.......>
Subject:      Re: Question about War

Mirror <HEWEPAME@l.......> asked:
>Can anyone tell me if I need to be subscribed to the fanfic list in
>order to participate in the war?
Yes, you must be subscribed to the fiction list to get the "real" war
posts. But there is no rush, the war does not officially start until July
13.  Though the stories posted there are often very good;  they are well
worth reading.

 Subcribe by sending to "LISTSERV@p......." (no quotes, no subject),
and "SUBSCRIBE FKFIC-L <your name>", in the body of the message.
There are several TOPICS on FKFIC-L, the default ones are "ALL, -ADULT",
this means you automatically get all the available topics EXCEPT the
"ADULT" topic.
The Topics available on FKFIC-L are: WAR, XOVER, ADULT, (and
"other"--"other" being all posts without recognized topics in the subject
line) .

If you wish to receive  only the WAR: posts, send to
"LISTSERV@p......." (no quotes), with "SET FKFIC-L TOPICS: -ALL, +WAR"
(this should work, though I haven't tried it to make sure)

One problem with getting only war posts is that some posts accidently get
sent without the proper "WAR:" topic, you might miss out on the occasional
post.  It should not be a problem anyway, once the war starts very little
non-war fiction gets posted (i.e, most of the people who write the stories
are active in the war, and all that creativity is directed toward the war

Make sure to NOT include a signature when sending anything to the Listserv
address (all that extra stuff confuses the hamsters that run the machine).

I agree with all the people who suggested everyone read at least parts of
previous wars before taking part in this one.  There is a certain amount of
continuity in the wars, mostly in people making great efforts to "get back"
at those who got them in a previous war (all in good clean fun of course).

Previous wars are available at:
ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/people/lms5/fkfiction/fkwars    (Wars 1-4)
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~albrecht/war.html      (War 4)
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~weyrbrat/war.html     (War 5, unfinished)

Basic information about the wars, how they started, etc...:

Laura Ruggiero (larug@s.......)
Temporary Die-Hard Coordinator
Die-Hards email me if you want to be in the FKFIC-L WAR, please come join
the fun.
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:41:07 -0700
From:         Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject:      Spolers: Blackwing


Hi Marcia,
I think Nat reacted the way she did to Nick's "cure," because she felt
jealous. First, she was jealous, because Marian supposedly cured Nick in
one night after Nat had been trying for years. And second, it's fairly
obvious that Nat had an inkling that Nick and Marian slept together from
that "morning after bubble" comment. For better or worse, Nat has been
waiting to sleep with Nick for years, and here he is spending his first
guilt-free night in centuries with a woman he met fifteen minutes ago. As
you can probably tell, I didn't like this ep. much, except that Nick
finally realized that dumping the guilt may be his true road to happiness.
I've always thought that was the case.

Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
I've got places to go, people to dissect. - Natalie Lambert
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:03:51 -0700
From:         Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject:      Spoilers: AtA


Hi Debra,
I think I can answer one of your AtA questions for you. LC burns Divia at
the end, because burning was the way people disposed of bodies in Ancient

Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
I've got places to go, people to dissect. - Natalie Lambert
Date:         Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:21:34 +0200
From:         ret <sl0274@a.......>
Subject:      Save Forever Knight/ Hi from Germany

Hello everyone!
I like to thank those who mailed me the stories I missed!

I much about the 'Save Forever Knight' campaign and I'm very impressed
about it! I hope you will never give up! I wrote letters to Sony and to
Columbia/Tristar myself! And now I collect signatures from german fans to
mail the list to Sony! I hope this helps!

For all who read german I run a gothic art fanzine specialized on
vampires and The Sandman comic series! Mail me if you are interested!

If you are interested to mail privately please do!

For a darker knight!

Dark Knightie. Immortal Beloved.
And in real life a gothic.
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:22:02 -0400
From:         "Michael W. Smith" <mwsmith@a.......>
Subject:      The Save Forever Knight Web Page

Has anyone updated the page since April? Something as important as our
going over $10,000 for the Pediatric Aids charity should be up there.
Any new word, any at all?

                                -Cousin Mike

"Somewhere, for everyone, there is that person, who, inside their mind,
carries the memories of a person's soul so that they might never be
forgotten, and in that, we are all immortal." Julie Randolph
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:19:35 -0500
From:         Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject:      Re: BM and "Hunters"

>>"Hunters," ... LaCroix's willingness to abandon Janette?

Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
>I finally decided that LaCroix was trying to penetrate her paralyzing fear
>by making her mad enough to save herself instead of waiting for him or Nick
>to help her.

That seems reasonable to me.  I suspect that LaCroix likes independent
types, even though after choosing an independent type for a child, he
then tries to control them.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:56:37 -0400
From:         "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Killing, sipping, blood volume

Apparently this post got sent to an individual instead of the list the first
time.  Sigh.

I was rejoicing to have flashed on the rational reason why I have always
disliked the device of "vampires who can't feed without killing" (sounds like
a good talk show topic).

Whether the human body contains on average 6 quarts of blood or 6 pints, it's
still too much to "drain" -- as in, "The body in the alley was completely
drained of blood" -- in a single brief feeding session.  Do we see any
indication in FK that vampires need the equivalent of three-fourths of a
gallon at each feeding?  Nick seems to get along OK on a wine-bottle size
serving of cow blood, which logically would be less nourishing than human
blood and require him to drink more, not less.  If a vampire drank 6 quarts
at once -- if he were physically capable of doing this at all -- he would
look like a bloated tick.  If it's 6 pints, it's more within the realm of
possibility but still impractical.

Which brings us to the time factor:  Most scenes of fatal vampire attacks on
FK seem to occur in the space of a couple of minutes.  The vampire may not
"drain" the victim, but he takes "too much," and she dies more or less
instantly.  "Too much," meaning enough to kill, would be at least a quart --
probably more, to kill instantly.  The pint or so taken by the blood bank
doesn't even leave most people feeling woozy.  And the extraction of that
pint takes about 10 minutes!  The only way for the victim to lose enough
blood in a brief time to die instantly would be for a major artery to be
severed.  That would cause the blood to spurt out too violently for the
vampire to swallow most of it -- so there would be a pool of wasted blood at
the scene of death, as well as messily splashed all over the vampire.

So the oft-repeated FK scene of "grab victim -- vamp out -- chomp -- drop
corpse," all apparently consummated in a couple of minutes (well, sometimes
we could assume that the camera is cutting from the beginning to the end of a
20-minute encounter, but in many episodes the vampire is clearly snatching a
very brief opportunity), is completely impractical.

Any rebuttals?

Margaret L. Carter   MLCVamp@a.......
Nick / Natpacker, fledgling Light Cousin, and habitual sipper
Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:10:18 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: BM, CRCH & Money

At 01:06 AM 6/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Does Nat know about Nick's enormous wealth?  I think she does but I'm not
Yep, she does. Specifically in "Faithful Followers".

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight

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