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Logfile LOG9606C Part 3

June 14-June 15, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606C" Part 3

	Tape offer  (4)
	Bad Blood  (2)
	I'll take it!  (tape offer)
	Beta Reader Request  (2)
	ATTENTION: FanFic Authors!
	"Best of FKFIC-L" E-zine  (2)
	Search for Blood mini-con at Toronto Trek X
	Nick and Horses  (2)
	In Search Of: FK related faqs
	Dying for Fame
	Pedal for Forever Knight!
	I know that set!
	The Hunter/Really Bad Blood
	Address change
	Middle name
	Yahoo Changes FK Listings
	The Tempest in a Teapot Over Cousin Pins - Long Post Warning.

Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:02:15 -0600
From:         Gay Eckes <raven@r.......>
Subject:      Tape offer

 Howdy crew,
Made a tape for a friend, then decided to redo it on a longer running tape
so I could add some more stuff. Therefore the first tape is available, if
anyone is interested.
Has the following 2nd season eps: Queen of Harps, Close Call, Be My
Valentine, A More Permanent Hell, Blood Money. Also 1st season canadian eps
of False Witness, Cherry Blossoms, I Will Repay. This is a T-120 tape, at
SLP/EP, all edited. Second season eps are 2nd gen copies of syndie. CC is
fuzzy (poor reception that night), but watchable. First season ones are 3rd
gen at least, but still watchable. First reply gets it. Later,
Gay Eckes   raven@r.......    gdeckes@i.......    gdeckes@c.......
>>  Life is short. . .  <<
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:58:31 -0700
From:         Marg Rothschild <margr@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Bad Blood

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Amy R. wrote:

> If "Bad Blood" is the episode with the vampire hunter, then what's the
> episode with Jack the Ripper?  I thought he was in "Bad Blood," and the
> title was from what LC thought of his blood... really!  Don't laugh at
> me.... :-) So if BB is the one with the vampire hunter, why is it called
> Bad Blood (assuming that it's not like LNMTA, which, imho, still wins for
> Worst and Most Irrelevant Title)?

Yep, Bad Blood is the one with Jack the Ripper. It's called Bad Blood
because LC found out that there is 'bad blood' by drinking Jack the
Ripper's blood  - his blood was filled with too much evil. The vampire hunter
had been hunting for vampires for a long time because he is a half vampire -
was bitten by a vampire when he was a lad but never drank the blood of a

Marg Rothschild, Cousin/Dark Knightie/UF/FFFROGie: margr@i.......
AZ Crusaders of the Knight -
It's a private club, for VIPS and denizens of the night. - Nick Knight
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:36:33 -0400
From:         TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>
Subject:      I'll take it!  (tape offer)

I'll take it, if available.  Tell me what you need.
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:12:40 -0400
From:         Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject:      Beta Reader Request

     2 out of 3 of my beta-readers are away!!!  I need HELP!!  Is there
anyone out here who'd be willing to beta-read temporarily for the next few
parts of Cat Trio?  I want to relieve some of the burden of my 1 remaining

Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
Seducer, Cousin, Dark Knightie,
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:22:26 EDT
From:         Sheila Stephenson <sstephen@v.......>
Subject:      Tape offer

Hi Gay,

I just saw your tape offer. Are they still available?  I would like
any of the tapes (episodes) that you mentioned as I have only seen
part of the second season and all of the third.

Please let me know. I will not be signed on again until Monday as
my net access is only through work.

Hope you still have them.


Sheila Stephenson
DB2/ID    IBM Canada   Tie Line 000-0000   Phone 000-0000
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:33:54 -0700
From:         Torrey <neva@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Tape offer

MEME ME I want the tape...Pretty please.

"Dona" Torrey     <neva@i.......>
 Mikies   SKL  V-Loop
"No. But her chances aren't good. Her surgeon was a falcon." Nick
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:49:14 -0400
From:         Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject:      ATTENTION: FanFic Authors!

Okay all you budding P. N. Elrod's, LISTEN UP! I'm offering my services
as a story editor. As opposed to a beta-reader (who is the humble
supplicant, timidly offering words of advice), an editor has the
authority (and duty) to spell check, proof read, reformat AND remove or
alter text to improve the readability of the story. He also checks for
continuity errors, and provides critical commentary on both content and

As an additional service for those of you whose mail programs mangle
your story upon posting, I can forward your edited story to the list
(perhaps even anonymously, as ROSEBUD did for NatLamb's ECFIC-L story in
"Seduction of the Diligent" <Hi Susan!>). Best of all, I can work in
secret, so you can amaze and astound your friends with your brilliant
prose. All for virtual chocolate and a few small words of heartfelt
gratitude. 9;-)

My qualifications are as follows: an offline mail-reader, a text editor
with built in spell checker, a dictionary, a thesaurus, and a copy of
"Strunk and Whites Elements of Style". Oh yes, I read a humongous amount
of fanfic, and have plenty of time. =8^]=

Yours in Ribena,

Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc., P.Prog <ag775@f.......>
Home Page: http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag775/home.html
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:49:45 -0400
From:         Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject:      "Best of FKFIC-L" E-zine

I know that some people put together a paper zine from the stories on
the FKFIC-L list. I'm wondering about the feasibility of producing an
electronic edition (ie: a ZIP compressed archive of ASCII text files)
that could be distributed as file attachments to e-mail messages, or on
diskette at conventions or through the mail. It would be a lot cheaper
and faster to e-mail a distribution list, or to copy (and maybe mail)
diskettes, and most platforms have (or can get) a ZIP compatible de-
archiver. I mean, why kill trees for something that's already digital.
And remember, the original purpose of fanzines was to distribute fan
fiction as widely as possible.

The difference between this and the ftp archives is the editorial
selection process; instead of fishing around and hoping to find some-
thing good, someone else will have already culled the wheat from the
chaff. There could even be a "News and Reviews" column with a synopsis
of FK related events since the last issue, including SOS-FK, convention
reports, and cast sightings. And if hardcopy is desired, the readers can
print it off themselves (at a much reduced cost).

To quote Kevin Matsumoto, "All comments welcome, constructive criticisms
will be accepted with gratitude,  Compliments with stunned silence and
Flames Grudgingly ignored.:>"

Yours in Ribena,

Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc., P.Prog <ag775@f.......>
Home Page: http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag775/home.html
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:15:18 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Search for Blood mini-con at Toronto Trek X

The latest news on the minicon from Tracy Essam. Posting as official
List-Liason. This is verbatim from what I received in the mail today:

A Forever Knight mini-con

August 2, 3, & 4, 1996

Join us for the 2nd annual con within a con at Toronto Trek X
at the Regal Constellation Hotel
900 Dixon Rd  Toronto ON Canada (416) 675-1500

This year Forever Knight Canada is the host
and have we got a con for you!

Guests, parties, panel topics that excite, Guests, A Raven social club, Guests,
A Vampire Lair where one can get the latest vampire accessories and
information, and did we mention guests?!

{From Tracy's note on the back of the flyer: "The Blood Donor Clinic will be on
Saturday from 12-4pm"}

Confirmed guest include Nigel Bennett (LaCroix), Greg Kramer (Screed),
Catherine Taylor (scene continuity) and Matthew Campbell (wardrobe).

{More notes from the back of the flyer-- "In addition we have author Nancy Baker
confirmed.  (She wrote "The Night Inside" plus two other vampire books.)  We
have invited White Wolf, creators of Vampire: the Masquerade.  Waiting on a
response.  No, Ben Bass has *not* confirmed but he has been invited."}

Buy a ticket for our special guest of honour party.  Our Special guest of honour
is Nigel Bennett and he won't be attending the rest of the convention.  He can
only be seen at this event.  The tickets won't last long so buy soon -- tickets
are on sale now.  ($25 Canadian funds until July 15)

The price of the mini-con?
FREE with Toronto Trek X membership!

(Note from Diane: I believe you have to buy your TT membership by 6/15, or you
can buy a one-day membership at the door.  If this is wrong, I'm sure someone
will post a correction.)

If you are interested in attending and would like more information, please
Forever Knight Canada
000 Xxxxxxxx Ave
Xxxxxxx ON
Canada X0X 0X0

(Tracy does NOT have e-mail access, I get my updates by snail mail, so this
*is* the only way to contact her, I'm afraid! -- de)

For information on Toronto Trek and their membership rates contact:
Toronto Trek,  Suite 0000, PO Box 000, 00 Xxxxx St W,
Toronto, ON  Canada X0X 0X0

Not all of our many invited guests are confirmed as of yet and all are subject
to professional committment.


The following is information that appeared in my previous "Search for Blood"
post, repeated here so you have all the information in one place:

Parties:  Guest of Honour Party (Friday night) with Nigel Bennett
          Fan club party (Saturday night)
          FK wake (Sunday)

There are quite a few great things to be put on the block for the charity
auction, including:
 - one of the harps from "Queen of Harps"
 - the flatliner machine from "Near Death"
 - a spear from an "Ashes to Ashes" flashback
 - several scripts
 - items from Nigel's wardrobe (shirts, etc.)
 - copies of the book "The Killing Mind" from "Jane Doe" (well,
    the dust jacket of the book says "The Killing Mind," anyway,
    and apparently on the inside flap of the dust jacket there
    is some information about Jordan Manning) :-)
 - and much more!


Wish I had more info for you all (like a schedule, or a time for the auction)
but this is it, I'm afraid.

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                        gryphon@e.......  #
#   WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/      #
# "Death cannot stop True Love"  Wesley, _Princess Bride_  #
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:42:55 PST
From:         Diane Roe <jpj0015%j45csulb@o.......>
Subject:      "Best of FKFIC-L" E-zine

dalton, valery, et al-

i *like* getting a hard copy of the "forever net" zines, even with
re-reading stories i've seen on fkfic-l.  (in fact, i like re-reading
them -- it's like visiting with old friends.)  i like to take the
zine with me to lunch.  (and please don't start the "you can take a
lap top with you" argument again.  i don't have one, i can't download
my email anyway (i'm on a mainframe), and i *like* paper zines. :)
and i look forward to reading them again over the years, where i can't
do that with my email (to print out my email it would use *much more*

so val -- keep going, girl!  :)  (and hi to ya -- i've been mostly set
to nomail and miss ya guys.)

-diane ("the other diane" tm)
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:21:33 -0600
From:         Gay Eckes <raven@r.......>
Subject:      Re: Tape offer

At 09:02 AM 6/14/96 -0600, I wrote:
>Therefore the first tape is available, if
>anyone is interested.

Well, it took 6 hours for the original post to show up on the list. Hope
this gets there faster! Received 9 requests for it in 90 mins. It's got a
home, folks.
Gay Eckes   raven@r.......    gdeckes@i.......    gdeckes@c.......
>>  Life is short. . .  <<
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:52:49 -0500
From:         Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick and Horses

Hey Guys:

>>All this talk of Nick riding, mounting and dismounting a horse has
>>gotten me a bit steamy.

>Nice to know I'm not the only one effected by this thread!

That's me!  Maybe we should start ourselves another faction.  What would we
call ourselves?  Maybe the Whinnies, or Mr. Eds, how about Hi Ho Silvers?
Anyone else got any ideas?
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:49:31 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: In Search Of: FK related faqs

At 12:58 AM 6/14/96 -0400, you wrote:

>As a part of my FK site, I'd like to put together a page listing FK-related
faqs so that we (and others) can all find them in one place.

Lord help me, when I first read this heading I swore it said "In Search of:
FK Related Fags..." I became absolutely hysterical....I couldn't remember
one FK related gay person...then I thought it was rude to use such a
name...and then I realized my mistake.....time for another drink.....

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:49:35 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: Bad Blood

At 05:39 PM 6/13/96 -0700, you wrote:
>If "Bad Blood" is the episode with the vampire hunter, then what's the
>episode with Jack the Ripper?  I thought he was in "Bad Blood," and the
>title was from what LC thought of his blood... really!  Don't laugh at
>me.... :-) So if BB is the one with the vampire hunter, why is it called
>Bad Blood (assuming that it's not like LNMTA, which, imho, still wins for
>Worst and Most Irrelevant Title)?

AMy, it is BAD BLOOD. The vampire hunter comes to Toronto after the Jack the
Ripper vampire rips apart a couple of people.  He's been hunting him for
quite a while.  The flashback in Bad Blood is when LaCroix brings Jack the
Ripper across.  Both themes are in this one episode.

Still confused??

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:49:48 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: Loops

At 09:23 PM 6/13/96 -0700, Abby wrote:

>The only chat loop I know of is the Vaqueras, and I'm not one, so I'm not
>on. Oh, and there's SKL which you can join by asking a member (I think).
>But, please, if you just want to discuss the show... Do it on Forkni!
>That's why we're here...
>obfk: That was Myra in BB, right?
There are chat loops for Vaqueras, N&Natpackers, Knighties as far as I know,
and ofcourse SKL. I agree, to discuss the show this is the forum for it. The
chat loops are just for disucssions of whatever the chat loop is about in
all kinds of forums and they do it on the loop so they don't upset anyone
here if a lot of the discussions go a little awol...which they do quite
often. When you sign on to a chat loop you know you're in for lots of mail
(tho not always and lots of craziness, so only those into that get on and
that way we don't annoy those who have to pay by the line over here on
FORKNI-L). It's funny, I'm on the Knightie Loop, the N&Natpacker loop, SKL
and the Vaquera loop, but I forget who the main person is to contact on some
of them. Anyone interested email me privately and I'll figure it out!!

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:50:32 -0400
From:         dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject:      Re: Dying for Fame

At 11:15 AM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote:

>This one thing, in and of itself, was the only thing that I didn't care for
in the series. Yes it is true that our boy must feel angst and pain about
what he is(snip) But lets face it, did he really have to be in such pain ALL
the time?

Oh, I agree with this. I loved the second season primarily because he seemed
to be a lot happier. He was happy with Schanke, happy with his work towards
mortaliy, happy with his relationship with Natalie (up until BMV) actually
cracking a few jokes here and there with Schanke and Nat. But you know,
folks complained during the second season that Nick wasn't "angsting" enough
and that drove me crazy. I thought there was enough in there without making
it feel like that's all he had. Then the third season came along where he
(and everyone else) were totally miserable thru the entire thing until LK
was almost necessary.


Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
Defender of the Knight
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:54:17 -0400
From:         Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject:      Pedal for Forever Knight!

In the long and venerable tradition of fan fundraising events....
(And just in case you were wondering what happened to the bike tour...)

Announcing the Forever Knight Charity Bike Tour!
Just the FAQs...

1. What is this thing?
   The FK Charity Bike Tour, also known as "Pedal for Forever Knight," is a
fundraising ride organized by a few FK fans who also like to cycle.  The
idea for the bike tour was hatched way back in January, in the early days
of the SOS-FK campaign.  It is intended to raise money for one of the
fan-organized charity drives.  The participants will be covering their
own expenses (and/or mooching off of friends), so donations and pledges
will all go 100% to the charity.

2. Where and when is the ride?
   The tour will go from Niagara Falls to Toronto, Ontario, from August
1-2, 1996.  The first day will start at the spectacular Niagara Falls
(obligatory comments:  Oooh!  Aaaah!  It's so *big*!  And *loud*!  And
*wet*!), coast down the impressive Niagara Escarpment, and then meander
through the beautiful, rural Niagara Peninsula.  The second day will go
around the tip of Lake Ontario (trying to avoid as much urban traffic as
possible) to end up just west of Toronto.

   The official end point for the tour will be the Regal Constellation
Hotel, home of the Toronto Trek convention and the Forever Knight
Mini-Con (aka "The Search For Blood") which will take place August 2-4,
1996.  Information about this con has already been posted to FORKNI-L and
elsewhere on the internet, but you can also get some info by going to the
charity bike tour web page:


3. Why are you guys doing this?
   (a) To raise money and (b) to have fun!

4. Why should I pledge or send a donation?
   There are many reasons you might want to contribute to the charity bike
tour.  Here are just a few:

  - The charity is a good cause.  All contributions will go to the
pediatric AIDS research program of Children's Hospital Foundation.  This
is an excellent organization and FK fans have a long tradition of
supporting this cause through the GWD fan club.  And they didn't make me
fill out piles of forms to raise money for them.  <g>
  - You are amused by the idea that Allison will be trying to participate
in the upcoming fanfic war while simultaneously finalizing the route for
this tour.  So I'll be riding my bike in Ontario both in fiction and in
Real Life (tm).
  - You think the riders are nuts and believe in supporting nutty people
  - The Pin!  All those who send a donation of at least $5 to the charity
bike tour will receive a "Pedal for Forever Knight Supporter" pin.  Heck,
if you send more than $20, we'll send you several pins if you so desire!
:^)  This pin, which resembles the FK affiliation pins, has a nice Toronto
skyline/bicycle graphic designed by Susan Garrett. You can see the graphic
by going to the bike tour web page.

5. Hey, *I* want to ride in this thing!
   Great!  Our little group is looking for additional riders.  Please
e-mail me *off-list* at <percy91@w.......> if you're interested
in joining the ride!
   Riders so far (and where they're from):  Allison Percy (PA), Michelle
Mark (VA), and John Maxwell (NJ).  And there are a couple of others
sitting on the fence trying to decide if they'll ride... There is always
room for more, though!

6. Um, I can't ride but I want to help.
   Non-cyclists who want to volunteer to help can do so in a number of ways:
transporting vehicles/luggage/bikes/etc. between the starting and ending
points of the ride, providing crash space along the way, meeting the
group at pre-designated spots with food, drinks, or mechanical
assistance, etc.  Once again, let me know by e-mailing me off-list at

Questions? Clarifications?  E-mail me or check out the bike tour web page!

Pledges? Donations?  Mail a check made out to "Children's Hospital
Foundation" to:  Allison Percy, 0000 Xxxxxxxx St. #000, Xxxxxxxxxxxx, PA
00000, USA.  Or if you're a Cousin and feeling factional, you can send
your check (still made out to "Children's Hospital Foundation") to Cousin
Michelle Mark.  E-mail her at <Rainbow2@a.......> to get her snail-mail
address.  ;^)

All the riders will be hitting up their friends, families, and local bike
clubs for additional donations.  Feel free to collect checks from friends
and co-workers too!  Tell them it's for a good cause!  :^)

Allison Percy, Knightie & Chief Bunny       percy91@w.......
    __o     Pedal for Forever Knight!  Support the charity bike tour!
  _`\<,_    E-mail me to find out how to donate and/or join the ride.
 (*)/ (*)     http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:44:00 +0000
From:         Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject:      Re: YKYBWTMFK

On 14 Jun 96 at 9:04, Sharon S. Scott wrote:

> Warning. Warning. Librarian humor ahead.
> You know you've been watching too much Forever Knight when you see a
> subject heading on an EXLIBRIS message that says "Canadian Incunabulae" and
> you wonder if Nick qualifies.


Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t.......,
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:48:22 -0400
From:         Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......>
Subject:      I know that set!

>And did anybody speculate on the significance of the fact that
>the cell in the prison sequence [in Dying for Fame] is the same
>set used for the precinct?

Yes it's called using what you got available. I noticed a lot of nonsense (
not this is not nonsense, don't flame me!) discussion among xfiles fans about
the significance of why a scene was done a certain way blah, blah. The
business of filming dictates how things appear on screen. If you look closely
you'll see the staircase in BMV was recycled in about 6 other episode
flashbacks to the point I was getting tired of seeing the damn thing. The sun
painting that shows up in AtA was in the background in the PILOT "Dark
Knight". Talk about recycling!
That's why you see things done the way they are on TV. Practically not some
hidden meaning.
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:14:12 -0400
From:         Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject:      Re: The Hunter/Really Bad Blood

>>The ep is Bad Blood.  Its a Leprechauny-fairy- tale kinda ep.
>>Schanke buys ... ah ... a chili dog ... or two.
>>The ep has Fairy Dust, just a sprinkling....
>Now you've got me confused

Wait, are you really confused Dotti?  Schanke buys this big pile of food and
a dog rolls around on the floor after Nat nearly drives into oncoming Traffic,
A major Schanke moment.

And LaCroix sprinkles Fairy dust as a clue to trap Liam and Jack,
then taunts Nickie about it.

Still confused?

Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:05:16 -0400
From:         "Diana L. Edwards" <dle@m.......>
Subject:      Address change

Hi all!  <wave>

This is just to let you know that my e-mail address has changed from
to <DLE@m.......>.  If you have tried to reach me and I have not
responded, please try again at the new addy and I will get back to you.

Thanks for the bandwidth.

~~Diana L. Edwards (Cousin)

OBFK:  Mount.  Dismount.  Mount.  Dismount.
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:16:52 -0700
From:         Rick Bleyle <papaya@i.......>
Subject:      Middle name

hey everyone,

    I've just got a few questions! 1- what is Nicks middle name? i was
reading this story and in it Nat. kept saying Nicolos B. Knight
and 2-how do you make a web site/page I wanna make a forever knight
page and i almost have every thing i need. i need a few pixs and i have
no idea where to go to put it in ya now stuff like that.

                Kelley Bleyle

Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:49:15 -0400
From:         Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick and Horses

Tammy wrote:
>Amy wrote:
>>Therefore, I have concluded that the horses in LNMTA were not spooked
>>by Nick.  Something else bothered them.
>Or maybe they were just spooky horses.  ;)

Wow!  Look at the discussion my little YKYB has caused.

Saw part of Arachniphobia (sp?) on t.v. last night.  Maybe there were some
nasty ol' spiders crawling around by the horses.  Or maybe the horses
just wanted to hurry up and get home to the barn because they had some
*special* plans for that night.  :-)

Roxanne   **** Captain of the Cleopatra, Isle of Denial Ferryboat ****
"Even if you fall off the boat in choppy waters, Nobody Dies!"  "Toss the
Grim Reaper into a leaky lifeboat and wave bye-bye to him as he sinks."
RoxanneP@a....... (Home) // CHIRMP@a....... (Work)
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:56:27 -0400
From:         Jill Gillham <jilkey@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Yahoo Changes FK Listings

On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Chaya-Baila Adler wrote:

> Well, I guess FK falls under many different categories.... I found it listed
> as Fantasy in one TV listing. I found that quite humorous, actually.

Actually, I've always seen FK as urban fantasy (along with Mercedes
Lackey's Di Tregarde stuff, and Katherine Kurtz's Adept stories among
others) rather than as horror.  The difference between fantasy and
straight horror seems to be that horror ends with the beastie killed,
while urban fantasy focuses on the healing of the wrongs the beastie
committed.  For the most part, FK seemed to strive for healing of sorts.

Additionally, FK was never horror to me because I could actually watch it
after dark.  To this day, I can't watch Twilight Zone because it weirds
me out too much, and I have refused to see the Exorcist under any

Jill Marie
jilkey@g....... jilkey@u.......
"I don't require that my patrons be human, just that they be polite"-Mike
Date:         Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:08:38 -0700
From:         Max ERnst <pearl@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Beta Reader Request

Janette Z wrote:
>      2 out of 3 of my beta-readers are away!!!  I need HELP!!

I'm sorry to bother the list with this but I need help also.  This is meant for
Jeanette only.  I have sent you e-mail but obviously you have not received any
of it.  I have not received the Nightcrawler Tape yet.  What's the problem????

Max ERnst                   A WEREWOLF'S HANG OUT (under construction)
pearl@g.......                  http://gramercy.ios.com/~pearl
Date:         Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:13:08 -0400
From:         Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject:      The Tempest in a Teapot Over Cousin Pins - Long Post Warning.

Wow!  I'm still behind in my mail, but I can't believe just how many replies
I've received, on the issue of Cousin pins.

Good grief!

Here are replies to several respondents...long post warning ahead.

(Sorry if I end up including too many lines...in some cases here, removing a
line or two might end up taking the original text, too much out of context).

D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......> writes:
>On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Will Steeves <goid@i.......> wrote:
>>Now, as for what a "Cousin Lite" button might look like...I draw a blank.
>>(literally, perhaps!  :-) )

>Sorry, Will, but the "blank affiliation pin" is already taken. :)

...for the unaffiliateds, of course.  :-)

Hmmm....  How could I possibly have forgotten?  :-)  :-)

Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@n.......> writes:
>On Jun 02, 1996 11:46:39, 'Will Steeves <goid@i.......>' wrote:
>>I was under the impression that the Cousins pin had been changed from a
>>black cross of the Lorraine region of France, to a pair of Roman olive
>>branches? Am I mistaken?

>Yeah, pretty much mistaken, actually.

Oh well...where's that garlic-dipped piece of wet spaghetti...?  Time for my
fifty lashes...

>There was an alternative laurel-wreath design made available on the
>affiliation BADGES that I was making, awhile back (and may continue to make,

>The badges, however, were and are wholly separate from the affiliation
>PINS, which Susan (who is an Empress, btw, not a Goddess; her objection to

Okay, "gotcha".  :-)  I hadn't realised that they were separate!  I thought
that Susan was making those _too_!   Sorry Jamie!!!  (Fifty more lashes,

[Jeez, one would almost get the idea that I _like_ getting whipped or
something :-) - NOT!]

>The laurel wreath was never actually put on an affiliation pin, as far as I
>know.  And a good thing, too.  For I have witnessed the sight of
>Susan-And-Her-Affiliation-Pins, and it is a formidable array of

Yes, that IS a lot of work, and for anyone who has never seen Susan with her
multiple bags of Affililation Pins, it IS quite a sight!

>FORKNI lists) and if she were to actually begin offering alternate
>affiliation designs, I think that it might cause her brain cells to
>spontaneously implode.  And then where would we be?

Oh goodness!   I'd never suggest that Susan change what she's already done,
good grief!  I and everyone else appreciate the job that she's done, so I'd
never claim otherwise.

Amy R. <akr@n.......> writes:
>On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Will Steeves wrote:
>> Now, as for what a "Cousin Lite" button might look like...I draw a blank.
>> (literally, perhaps!  :-) )

>If that was meant to be a True Cousinly taunt, then you've struck home.


>I'm first and foremost a Knightie, and you know how we react to those

(Disclaimer for the humour-impaired: This is Cousinly, inter-factional banter.
I am kidding.  I am joking here...)

Hmmm....of course, if you're first and foremost a Knightie, then how are you a
Cousin?  :-)

(Hmm, after calling myself an "Honourary Knightie", one might well wonder why
I'd be daring to ask this question :-) )

>We don't like the "let's get naked" LC any more than anyone else. We loathe
>him, too.

Hey, I thought that that was quite funny!

>A Light Cousin gets to both admire LC, for his intelligence, eloquence,
>loyalty, and dedication to his own code, and condemn him, for his cruelty,
>his manipulation, his *evil*.

Oh, pshaw!  :-)  It's these things that make his character so _compelling_!

"J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> writes...
>Will Steeves says:
>>I was under the impression that the Cousins pin had been changed from a black
>>cross of the Lorraine region of France, to a pair of Roman olive branches?

>I had thought that the cross was being used because of his name, obviously.

This is true, but ...

>I can understand how that could be somewhat disturbing to any number of
>people for a variety of reasons, including those Will listed -- not French,
>religion, cross & vampires not being exactly compatible --  and personally,
>I think it would be a good idea to avoid it.

Well, actually, there's another reason.  Now, I feel really foolish for saying
this, but as I went to a religious high school, I hope that I have _some_
manner of an excuse here....

What am I referring to?  Well, riddle me this...at my high school alma mater,
how much do you think that we students were being taught about historical
Church-sponsored persecution of other religions?  If you said, "precious
little", you're absolutely right.

So....imagine my surprise when, at the time that the Cross of Lorraine design
was being discussed, several list members belonging to non-Christian religions
objected to wearing a depiction of a cross!   Based upon these certain, err,
"gaps" in my historical education (worse still, I dropped history after Grade
10...), I was flabbergasted.  However, after taking, how shall I put it, a
crash course in history, I eventually realised that the complaints were indeed

Still, as the design was later implemented, I imagine that the complaints were
eventually resolved, and the waters smoothed over - this is a Good Thing, to
say the least.

>mate; nothin' t'get yer knickers in a twist about!  (I *do not* want the
>Webgoddess mad at me!!)

I know how much we hate "me too" statements, but it just had to be said -


Will Steeves, B.Sc. (Toronto, 1991), goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD"
Publisher & Managing Editor, The New Edition (U of T); Nu '96, Psi Upsilon
Ontario Area Coordinator, FREE (http://www.vix.com/free)

If possession is 9/10 of the law, what's the other 1/10? - Steeves' Laws Vol. I

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