FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606A Part 8
June 4-June 5, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" Part 8
TOPICS:
Origin of the Quest (2)
first season parental stuff (3)
It can happen (4)
LaCroix's Personality
The Father Thing
Nick's address and long goodbyes...
Visiting Toronto (2)
Beginning of the Code :)
flashback timeline (3)
Vamps--In or Out
Forever Mummy
GWD, JC
Question about spoilers
Fwd: An Amalgam (4)
Yet More Astrology!
Zines--help!!
GER's 1993 Video
Apologies for spoiler error
FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996
Nat's B'day
An Amalgam
more about The Relationship
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:33:49 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest
On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......> wrote:
>flashbacks. When's the first time we see Nick verbalize a regret for what
>he is?
The night he's brought over. (Dark Knight, Canadian cut) After his first
feeding, we see him leaning against a wall, telling LC "I want to go back. You
didn't tell me it would be like this." LC responds that "It's much too late for
that now," and something to the effect that he's stuck with it.
>By the way, someone posted a timeline for the flashbacks a while ago. Does
>anyone know where I can find it, and if such a timeline exists for previous
>seasons?
Susan G posted it, but it was just 3rd season. I'll forward it to you. :)
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
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# "Death cannot stop True Love" Wesley, _Princess Bride_ #
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:41:43 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: first season parental stuff
treeleaf@i....... wrote:
>I don't remember hearing Nick refer to LaCroix as his father. Nick
>refers to LaCroix as his friend some of the time, but not as his
>father. I don't know what this means...are there episodes where he does
>refer to LaCroix that way?
From Nick? Not that I can recall. Janette, on the other hand, seems to
view the relationship this way. She states that they are both 'children
of LaCroix'. Someone else mentioned that she told Nick "He's your
father. He loves you." The viewpoint is, then, not foreign to Nick, he
just doesn't verbalize it. Then again, there are a lot of things Nick
doesn't verbalize. <g> The fact that LaCroix and Janette see the
relationship this way suggests to me that over their collective history
it has been treated that way. The fact that Nick coexisted with them for
so long also suggests that he, on some level, agreed with this
arrangement.
Just another humble Knightie opinion.
:)=
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:50:28 -0700
From: Angie <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: It can happen
At 02:29 PM 6/4/96 -0700, Jackie wrote:
>Perhaps Forever Knight can be considered along with this other show so as to
>make it a dual-show vampire night on Showtime?
I have to admit I am sadly lacking in this informational department. Can
someone update me on any efforts that the fans have made approaching OTHER
stations like FOX and UPN? Thanks
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:53:27 -2055
From: "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
Cousin Sherri writes:
>"Oh, I'm much more than that.... Doesn't the sensation that you're feeling
>right now tell you that I'm much more than that?" LC to Nick (The Fix)
Uh.. isn't this quote from NiQ, and not The Fix? Just curious. Famous
quotes for 5 hundred....
Katherine
lqueen@p.......
Katherine Queen
lqueen@p.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:55:47 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: The Father Thing
I don't think Nick would refer to LaCroix as his "father" for a couple of
reasons:
First, if LaCroix is his "father", then, in the terms of the society that
Nick grew up in, he has certain obligations to LaCroix and LaCroix has
certain rights over him in return. Filial disobedience was a *serious*
breach of conduct in the 13th century, and the child's obligations did not
even end with the parent's death, if those obligations were so stated as to
continue beyond that point (like "take care of your sister", or "John Doe
will never step foot on my land" -- even if you and John Doe saved each
other's lives in the Crusades and are best buddies).
Second, to put a "relational" tone on the vampiric relationship would give
it a "legitimacy" which Nick has been avoiding like the plague for 800
years. Sort of like swearing fealty, I suspect. If Nick starts admitting
that LaCroix is his "father", vampirism becomes less something that was
thrust upon him and he should fight, and more something he ought to accept
and deal with. (Sure, he said yes, but did he really realize *what* he was
saying yes to? I don't think so! "Live forever" wasn't the *half* of it!)
Now, as to how he *feels* about LaCroix -- father is *definitely* part of
it. He's always running to LC for advice and info. Look at the scene in
the Raven in Fever! How much more "father and son, somewhat at odds" can
you get??
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:46:10 -0500
From: MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: Fwd: Nick's address and long goodbyes...
> From: Orel Sara \ Internet: (fa55@n.......)
> Regarding Nick's address?
> Well, I just checked my Toronto street map, and there is no "Gateway Lane"
> -- there is a "Gateway Blvd" but that is up in Don Mills... Just thought
> you might want to know.
The real address for the exteriors of Nick's place is 58 Broadview
Avenue. The occupant of that location at the time of filming was
Gateway Auto Collision, hence the address.
Marg
ZEZQ01A@p.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:04:03 -0400
From: Jana Hege <JanaCHege@a.......>
Subject: Visiting Toronto
Yes, I'm still out here. I just quit my job, so maybe I'll be able to start
posting again. Anyway, the reason I post now is that my husband is going on
a business trip the 28th-30th of June to Toronto and I, alas, cannot go
because by then I will be eight months pregnant. He will only have Friday
afternoon the 28th free, but I was wondering if someone would be willing to
give him the whirlwind tour of FK sites around the city so he can bring me
some photos.
Please respond by private e-mail as I am still no-mail on the list. Thanks
in advance!
ObFK: After the last two episodes, my husband is no longer afraid of the
vampires in Toronto.
-- Jana (JanaCHege@a.......)
"I live in a fantasy world and I like it that way."
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:15:49 -2055
From: "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject: Re: Beginning of the Code :)
>Cousin Lisa remarks:
there's no way Nick could have
>considered hunting animals for food a crime in the first half of the 19th
>c. That's a late 20th century development.
>>And Storm responded:
>>Actually, in the 19th cen., poaching was an offence punishable by
>>imprisonment, hanging, or transportation.
Actually, I took Cousin Lisa's comment an entirely different way. I took
her statement to mean that hunting is presently considered by many to be in
poor taste, probably due to the fact that we now have those nice,
cellophane wrapped packages of meat at the grocery store and don't *have*
to hunt for food any more. Hunting is now considered to be a trophy
gathering activity by many. I live in Alaska and know many people who do
hunt for food, as a lifestyle. They feel it's a bit more honest than
letting someone else deal with all the nasty parts. Just my 2 cents.
Katherine, devoted to the Knight
lqueen@p.......
Katherine Queen
lqueen@p.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:14:05 -0500
From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject: flashback timeline
I am in possession of a flashback timeline kept by Valerie Meacham that
goes through second season Capitol Offense. If we could finish off the
second-season flashbacks, we could then shuffle the third season
flashbacks that Susan did into the mix and have a complete set, as it
were....
Sarah
welshkin@d.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:16:47 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: It can happen
> From: "Angie" <alasher@e.......>
> I have to admit I am sadly lacking in this informational department. Can
> someone update me on any efforts that the fans have made approaching OTHER
> stations like FOX and UPN? Thanks
While were on the subject, was it ever revealed who the supposed 3rd party
was that attempted to buy the rights to the show earlier in the year?
I hear a lot about saving the show....but I've never heard anyone mention
anything about a new good home for it....
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:19:02 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest
Nitpicky Cousin Tippi noted:
>Doesn't he say in the BMV flashback "I do not regret what I am"? So for a
>little while, at least, he seems to be okay with it.
Absolutely -- although he says that to Fleur, but in the same conversation
goes on about innocence and evil (in relation to bringing Fleur over) which
makes me think that maybe he was putting the best face on it for his baby
sister.
>Do the flashbacks in SoB take place during the Inquisition (some History
>minor *I* am!)?
Oh, very definitely. The garb suggests late 1400's or very early 1500's
(were they wearing ruffs? I'll have to go look again, but I think it was
lace collars, which is earlier), although the focus of the Inquisitors
suggests a little later than that, after Malleus Malificarum has been
disseminated and accepted, changing the thrust of the Inquisition from
heresy to magic.
Uh, for those who don't know, Malleus Malificarum (I think I spelled that
right), or in English "The Hammer of the Witches" was a horrid piece of
*fiction*, purporting to be truth, written by a pair of overzealous
Dominican monks with ambitions. It was through the "evidence" in this
charming piece of literature that the witchhunts began, which brought about
the deaths of several *million* women and men (mostly women) over the next
three hundred years. Prior to the publication of MM, and the Church's
acceptance of same as "factual", the thrust of the Inquisition was against
various worldly and impure practices (like art, and amassing wealth which
you did not pass on to the Church), as well as somewhat more esoteric points
of Church theology. The end result was the same however -- torture and
death. The Inquisition was not big on things like innocence, and would have
laughed at the idea of material evidence or "innocent until proven guilty".
>I don't know if he regrets it by then, but he and LC don't seem *too*
>adversarial in those
>flashbacks.
Nick seems to have always had these mood swings <G> -- alternately hating
and pretty much accepting (in a rather self-destructive "well, I'm evil"
way) his vampirism. And as much as he says he wants LC out of his life, he
never seems to push him very *far* out. Even running LC through in DK
seemed to horrify Nick more than anything else.
>When's the first time we see Nick verbalize a regret for what he is?
Uh, within *days* of being brought across? Isn't there a scene where he's
killed the girl LC brought for him, and tells LC "I want to go back!"
>It's sort of like trying to put together a puzzle when some pieces are
>missing! ;)
FANFIC to the rescue????<G>
>By the way, someone posted a timeline for the flashbacks a while ago. Does
>anyone know where I can find it, and if such a timeline exists for previous
>seasons?
I'd sure like to see that myself!
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:34:24 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: flashback timeline
> From: "Sarah Welsh" <welshkin@d.......>
> I am in possession of a flashback timeline kept by Valerie Meacham that
> goes through second season Capitol Offense. If we could finish off the
> second-season flashbacks, we could then shuffle the third season
There's some sort of timeline on the Sony FK site now, as well....
I didn't have time to check and see how good it was though...
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:56:07 -0400
From: dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: first season parental stuff
At 05:40 PM 6/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>This brings up something I've been noticing. I hear lots of references
>from LaCroix about Nick being his son, but I don't remember hearing Nick
>refer to LaCroix as his father. Even in Dark Knight, Nick says LaCroix
>is "like" a father or a brother,
>
I'm not sure, but I think its "Father's Day" where Nick really acknowledges
the fact that he considers LaCroix his father....am I right or wrong, gang?
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:51:13 -0400
From: dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Vamps--In or Out
At 01:06 PM 6/4/96 PST, Kat wrote:
>Actually, vampires may be out for right now, but that doesn't mean that
next year or the year after they aren't more popular than ever.
>
This is true.....particularly if we get big enough numbers in on Sci-Fi! I'm
still bringing people across these days with all my tapes....it's such fun....
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:49:42 -0700
From: Angie <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Mummy
>Bwahaha! Mental image alert! Mental image alert! FK retooled as a mummy
>show. (Not to be confused with a muumuu show, which is entirely different,
>and much *much* scarier.) Nick, having finally become mortal, is abducted
>by LC and wrapped in bandages...
This is certainly something that I find concievable!
>"He was mummified in 1996 and preyed on medical supply stores for gauze
>bandages.... Now he wants to repay humanity for his sins, to stop being an
>endless forever mummy..."
Would those wrappings prevent him from now getting a killer suntan?
>Instead of living in the Apartment Bldg of the Damned he will live in the
>Apartment Bldg of *Ramses* the Damned (apologies to Anne Rice). Instead of
>being a cop, he'll be a paramedic (the bandages are handy)...
ROTFLMAO!!!! Tippi you make me smile on those days when the worst has
happened to me
and for that I will now offer my warmest thanks and virtual chocolate!
>I'll stop now.
Too bad this was something I could see going on and on and on...
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:37:09 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: GWD, JC
A quick note. I've just seen Ghost Mom (Hi Dotti!!!). I really enjoyed
it. I was watching the closing credits and guest what I saw? "Camera
Operator---Jon Cassar". I rewound a rewatched just to be sure. The movie
is copyrighted 1993. Does anyone know if Jon directed any FK eps before
1993, in the first season? I'm wondering about the timeline. Another
thing occurs to me. Is it a normal thing for directors to work on crews
like that? Since I have no knowledge about how any of the behind the
scenes work I'm curious.
Thanks. If you haven't seen Ghost Mom, you should, it's a hoot.
:)=
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:42:33 -0700
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: flashback timeline
Sarah wrote first:
> > I am in possession of a flashback timeline kept by Valerie Meacham that
> > goes through second season Capitol Offense. If we could finish off the
> > second-season flashbacks, we could then shuffle the third season
Then John replied with:
> There's some sort of timeline on the Sony FK site now, as well....
> I didn't have time to check and see how good it was though...
Folks, the timeline on the Sony site IS Valerie's timeline! It's
excellent, btw, simply filled with "Janette-dating" (figuring out when a
flashback took place by dating the outfit Janette was wearing at the
time--women's fashions changed faster and more profoundly than men's). I
don't know where they got it, but they didn't credit Valerie anywhere that I
saw. But it's very very good, which probably explains why they use it.
Regards,
Valery (with a "y")
kingv@u.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:43:02 -0700
From: Wendy Marie Christensen <wendy@i.......>
Subject: Re: Question about spoilers
> through; is there anybody on the list who hasn't either seen Last Knight or
> doesn't know what happens?
I know what happens.... but don't have any clue about the other last
couple eps....
-Wendy Marie- \|/ Unnamed Faction*Cousin
|o o| "We *are* each other. You will always
-------ooO~(_)~Ooo------ be mine, eternally." LC to Nick
wendy@i.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:56:45 PDT
From: "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject: Re: It can happen
Jackie wrote:
>>According to THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, Spelling Entertainment is currently
>>in negotiations to take THE KINDRED to another channel such as Showtime.
--Let's get us on that publication! List all the websites! Tell
Internet, Web magazines & publications & ask them to publicize us!
**WE'VE GOT TO GET THE WORD OUT IN ANY & ALL PRINT FORUMS, both FOR
INTERNET & FOR OUR NON-INTERNET FEN!!! How can we let them start
watching the show at ATA & LK & let them think that's all there is!
Get the word out!**
>Perhaps Forever Knight can be considered along with this other show so as to
>make it a dual-show vampire night on Showtime?
--ONLY if we get to be the second show on the double billing. Remember,
FK was first & Silk Stalkings is still on USA with double features all
the time! I want FK to be remembered as the better show in ANY line up!
Leslie
***FOREVER MEANS...FOREVER!!!*** (Have you sent in your 2 FK surveys?)
N&NPacker/Knightie... Fiercely Optimistic & stubborn since birth
An FK (anything new, whatever it takes!) sort of gal (Email me for surveys)
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:05:17 -0700
From: Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject: Fwd: An Amalgam
---- Begin Forwarded Message
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 11:10:35 EST
From: "Antonia Spadafina" <Antonia_Spadafina@c.......>
To: asginger@i.......
Subject: An Amalgam
Hi all--
Just a few questions and minor ramblings. Sorry to toss them all
together, but my ISP is a PITA sometimes and I have to get everything
in one post...
1) Did we ever establish if Miklos was a vampire? (Sorry, I know
this is probably old hat.)
2) This is a YKYBWTMFK sort of thingie: I was watching the news
about a small city upstate New York (right across Lake Erie or Lake
Ontario - not far from Toronto) where restaurants are overwhelming the
community. One was named *Natalie's*. And I thought to myself: "So,
that's where they went after..." Oops, self-censoring LK type
spoiler. For those of you who have seen it, you probably understand
what I'm getting at.
3) ObFK: Remember that part of GVP that took place in BCE place
(what does that stand for anyway?)? Well, this month's issue of
National Geographic has a piece on Toronto - and would you believe
that the exact building where Nick vamped out in front of is prominent
in one picture? There's also a mention of flying toads... don't know
how many of you read that Door Story about Nick's flying toad
adventure (sorry, again, but I don't remember the author), but I
almost had an infarction reading the NGS article. If anyone wants a
copy of the article, email me privately; I may be able to scan it. Or
you can look it up in the library. It's the June 1996 issue, pp
120-139.
4) An offer: I would be willing to record the next 4 eps of FK on
the SCI-FI channel to the first one to reply to me. I'll even
graciously remove the commercials. I have all 3rd season, tho' I'm
probably going to re-record the ones in which I have commercials. But
I have the next 4 eps already comm-free. They are (if SCI-FI shows
them in order): Outside the Lines, Blackwing, Blind Faith and My
Boyfriend is a Vampire. (altho I understand from the digest that they will
not be in order!)
5) Just my little .02 worth on the N&N relationship and the LC&NK
relationship: N&N: I happen to think that Natalie read rather more into the
bond than there was. Nick admitted to a very deep friendship with her in FitP
- remember, he pats her head and says something like: 'some friendships you trust
your soul to...' I think Nick saw Nat as his shining goddess of mortality, and
a very good friend. From the beginning (OtLonely) Nat was attracted to Nick,
even before she knew what he was. So I think Nat loves Nick, but Nick just feels
a deep affection (remember the card in OtL?) for Nat. Here in NY there are
posters called Poetry in Motion in the subway. One says: Their relationship
consisted in discussing if it existed. (Thom Gunn). So we the fans can read
whatever we like into it. As for LC & NK - well, vampires are sensuous
creatures to begin with. I say there may be some physical attraction between
the two of them, but it is largely unexplored. I've read all the opinions that
are in the digests, but I haven't come to any steadfast opinions yet.
Sorry to ramble.
Toni
Knightie from NYC (tho after reading Apache's and Storm's fic, I may be a
Vaquera soon)
"There is nothing impossible in the existence of the supernatural: its
existence seems to me decidedly probable."
Toni
Knightie from NYC (tho after reading some FKFIC, I may turn into a
Vaquera!)
"Sunshine can peek thru a wee hole..."
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 01:32:52 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: It can happen
> >>According to THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, Spelling Entertainment is currently
> >>in negotiations to take THE KINDRED to another channel such as Showtime.
> --Let's get us on that publication! List all the websites! Tell
> Internet, Web magazines & publications & ask them to publicize us!
I think it would be really good if we could get mentioned somewhere in
Entertainment Weekly... I don't believe I've ever seen one blurb about
FK in there....A Dark Shadows Web Site got listed not too long ago, so
perhaps we could as well....Perhaps we should organize some sort of
project where we pick a new company to "bug & inform" each month or
something....
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 01:41:14 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Fwd: An Amalgam
> From: "Antonia Spadafina" <asginger@i.......>
> 1) Did we ever establish if Miklos was a vampire? (Sorry, I know
> this is probably old hat.)
In "Bad Blood", an early 2nd season episode...Liam O'Neill strolled into
the Raven with a cross to find vampires...he touched Miklos' head with it
and nothing happened(other than him getting angry)...
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:55:16 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: Yet More Astrology!
J.S. Levin/Stormsinger wrote:
> Oh, my! So Nigel's a Scorpio and Ger's an Aries/Taurus cusp! How
*facinating*!
Okay, so I'm not an officianado. What exactly does it mean the GWD's an
Aries/Taurus cusp!? I haven't a klew.
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:59:44 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: Fwd: An Amalgam
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Folden wrote, regarding whether Miklos was a
vampire:
> In "Bad Blood", an early 2nd season episode...Liam O'Neill strolled into
> the Raven with a cross to find vampires...he touched Miklos' head with it
> and nothing happened(other than him getting angry)...
This was, apparently, an error. According the Gillian Horvath, who wrote
the episode A Fate Worse Than Death, in which Miklos first appeared, he
is, indeed, a vampire.
Cynthia
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
Raven ** IB ** MBDtK
We cater to the occasional fetishist
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:10:32 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Zines--help!!
Hi all,
This is a post to everyone out there who may have info they would pass on to
me about what zines came out at Media*west. I don't know of any reliable,
current adzines these days, so word of mouth is it.
With the abundance of e-mail, the SASEs I've sent via snail mail have yet to
arrive. (They don't ever seem to arrive!)
I am interested in K/S and B7 (B/A) as well as Forever Knight (Of course!)
Please help!
Joy
Cousin of the Knight~~~Unnamed Faction
& all around crazy for FK!
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:13:53 -2055
From: "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject: Re: GER's 1993 Video
On 5/31/96 at 1:27 PM Mary Ruzycki wrote:
>1993 movie "Terror Stalks the Class Reunion" for a mere
>$7.47. <snip> and since the sequel (with GER) is coming out this October I
>thought I'd go for it.
A sequel to Terror Stalks the Class Reunion? Really... Is this
true/false? Anyone else have any more info?
ObFK: Things LaCroix wouldn't be caught dead doing (pun intended).
1) Exercising with Richard Simmons
2) Helping some priest perform an exorcism on Nick, Whoops he did do that
didn't he.
3) Watching a Barney video.
4) Developing a conscience
5) Opening a bible bookstore
6) Appearing in the least bit perky
7) Becoming attached to his food
That's it, my humble offering to the virtual stew.
Katherine, devoted to the Knight
lqueen@p.......
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 01:08:41 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: first season parental stuff
dotti rhodes wrote:
> I'm not sure, but I think its "Father's Day" where Nick really
>acknowledges the fact that he considers LaCroix his father....am I
>right or wrong, gang?
In FF, Nick confronts LaCroix when LC comes to the precinct to tell Nick
to back off. He says "Well why don't you do for him what you would never
do for me..." Sounds like some sense of parental reference to me. Also,
at the end when Nick visits LC at the radio station and returns the
watch, he says 'thank you'. He refuses to return to LC, but he does
acknowledge a responsibility to him.
That's what I got from it anyway.
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:24:29 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Apologies for spoiler error
Please excuse painless post. I messed up. it wasn't supposed to come to this
list.
Mary Davis >SpiritNYC
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:19:12 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Fwd: An Amalgam
> From: "Cynthia Hoffman" <choff@v.......>
> > In "Bad Blood", an early 2nd season episode...Liam O'Neill strolled into
> > the Raven with a cross to find vampires...he touched Miklos' head with it
> This was, apparently, an error. According the Gillian Horvath, who wrote
> the episode A Fate Worse Than Death, in which Miklos first appeared, he
> is, indeed, a vampire.
The question is...Is there anything on screen to support this? Granted, it
may have been intended that way at first but did we ever see evidence one
way or the other?
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:03:31 -0500
From: "Angula G. Tucker" <agt4@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996
I'm a little behind on FK mailing lists, but is fkspoilr going out of
business? I got that impression from reading this digest. But I haven' had
time to read my e-mail in almost a month.
Angula Tucker, X-Phanatic
Department of Counselor Ed. & Ed. Psych. Mississippi State University
"If coincidences are only coincidences, why do they seem so contrived?"
------Mulder, Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose, X-Files
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 03:24:03 -0400
From: Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......>
Subject: Nat's B'day
All this discussion about Nat's birthday on FK is pretty funny since the most
obvious reason for the difference in date is simple lack of CONTINUITY. The
set dresser simply forgot to change the calenders. Leave it to us to make a
big issue out of nothing.
The other explanation is that April14 may have some significance to the Fk
crew or Catherine Disher. Inquring minds want to know???
SW " Will you stop that trashing Steph, it's just a show"
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 03:48:12 -0400
From: Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Re: An Amalgam
In a message dated 96-06-05 01:54:28 EDT, jtfolden@e....... (John Folden)
writes:
>In "Bad Blood", an early 2nd season episode...Liam O'Neill strolled into
>the Raven with a cross to find vampires...he touched Miklos' head with it
>and nothing happened(other than him getting angry)...
Yes, but isn't it possible Miklos is older than that particular religious
symbol,
therefore it doesn't bother him. I can't get into supporting arguments w/out
a small spoiler for AtA.
Tigon the Bouncing Tigger and Lone Woof at Large
Woofpack w/ strong Knightie, N&N, FoSiL, and Cleopatra tendencies
"What time is it? What day is it? What century is it?"
TeigrLlew@a....... (Tigon Diana Hooker)
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 05:14:09 -0400
From: Deborah Bender <DBendr@a.......>
Subject: more about The Relationship
As to why Janette acknowledges LaCroix as her father and
Nick doesn't, look to their pasts. Janette's biological father
abandoned her to prostitution. She probably had no love for him
and was ready to transfer whatever filial affection she had to
someone who __did__ protect her. Nick had a happy home life
and left both parents living. For LaCroix to demand that Nick
call him Father would be a grave insult to Nick's real father's
memory.
LoosCanN kindly supplied me with the full title and author
of the book I cited in "How Long Is the Longest Friendship?" It's
John Boswell, _Christianity, Homosexuality and Social
Intolerance_..
On the subject of what was intended to be Nick and LaCroix's
onscreen relationship (as opposed to what actually comes
across to viewers), I must acknowledge that we have gotten
mixed information from various people connected with the show.
Early in the second season, Nigel Bennett sent a long post to
FORKNI-L, in which he stated firmly that the relationship
was father-son, no sex. OTOH, the script someone recently posted
about with the penciled notation, "Licks face?" could only have
belonged to NB or GWD, more likely NB. I agree with whoever
posted the speculation that TPTB punched up the "father"
relationship in the second season and toned down the homoeroticism.
As I recently posted, at least one director has acknowleged in
private email that he directed them in first season as men who
feel a sexual attraction to each other.
Someone connected to the show, it might have been James
Parriott or one of the directors, responded to an inquiry about the
relationship on AOL early last year by posting, "These guys have
been around too long not to have tried the other side," which seems
to me a very sensible remark.
Deborah Bender DBendr@a.......
The Witches Trine--quarterly Craft magazine of the NROOGD tradition
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:54:08 -0400
From: Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Visiting Toronto
Jana Hege <JanaCHege@a.......> writes...
>Please respond by private e-mail as I am still no-mail on the list. Thanks
>in advance!
FYI: I have replied to Jana, and sent her a Tour FAQ.
>ObFK: After the last two episodes, my husband is no longer afraid of the
>vampires in Toronto.
Hmm, shouldn't that be a spoiler? :-)
Cheers,
Cousin Will
---
Will Steeves, B.Sc. (Toronto, 1991), goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD"
Publisher & Managing Editor, The New Edition (U of T); Nu '96, Psi Upsilon
Ontario Area Coordinator, FREE (http://www.vix.com/free)
If possession is 9/10 of the law, what's the other 1/10? - Steeves' Laws Vol. I
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