FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9604B Part 19
April 12, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604B" Part 19
TOPICS:
The Future of Light Cousins (2)
A New War (5)
Kissing/BMV (4)
Languages (was: Re: literacy
Bridging the Knight Con and stuff (4)
<no subject>
People Poll (3)
Another stupid newbie question (3)
Bye for Now, CD, WAR (2)
ReRuns & Spoiler-Protection
How Nick and Nat Met <was Re: Another stupid newbie question> (2)
roommate needed.
Literacy? (2)
BMW (was Roses)
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:35:17 EDT
From: MS IDALIA KAKESAKO <NPYF15B@p.......>
Subject: The Future of Light Cousins
[original subject was Re: Eyebrows & Faction Hang-outs]
On Thursday, April 11, Allison Percy, perky Knightie, wrote:
>Light Cousins: I think LaCroix himself will drain these guys
>dry within 24 hours of the start of the next war . . .
To which Amy, Lady of the Knight, creator of said faction,
responded:
>I am feeling so very odd today that being murdered by LC
>hardly even sounds half as repulsive as it ought...
Hey, wait! I just got here a few short months ago, and now
by virtue of identifying with Amy's new faction, I'm being told
that I may end up DEAD in the next war?!
I guess, though, if my fate is sealed, I should just accept
it. I am determined, however, to be a ghost with unlimited
internet access time and a gigantic mailbox that allows me
to finally stop being on digest! I will then be able to haunt
these lists with abandon. And maybe I'll even be able to
meet the tiny rodents that power the listserv! Bwahahahaha!
Okay, all right, I'll go away--for now. . . .
Idalia Kakesako <NPYF15B@p.......>
officially declared Light Cousin, with NatPack and
Mercenary aspirations
"My sole purpose in life is simple:
serve as a warning to others."
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:53:46 -0500
From: Shana Fox <foxie@g.......>
Subject: A New War
It's happened. The new vampire Fox show is out and FK fans are
screaming *Bloody* murder. Well I have a proposed solution. We declare
war. The FK list hasn't had a war in a long time, and with the Save FK
campaign going on there was no time. But since the steam has died down and
FKer's have more time on their hands this just might provide some FK
motivation and optimism. Not that we shouldn't keep badgering the TV
bureaucracy, but this just might provide a pleasant diversion. Of course, I
have a confession to make. I like Kindred: the Embraced, but I like Forever
Knight better. K:tE is soapier, but I still like FK better. K:tE vampires
are slightly more realistic and with the popularity of Vampire: the
Masquerade it already has a built in following, but I still like FK better.
So a war is about to ensue. Not between FK factions or Kindred clans but
between each other. We write ourselves up to Toronto and work ourselves
down to San Francisco. We find K:tE fans interested in war to write on
their side to keep things interesting and have a good long fight. In fact
this might even incite some interest in our little show. Not that the
factions can't bicker with each other, but a new war against new enemies
just might be *fun*. So as the underground N&Npacker, Knightie, and
half-brewed pot says Adieu I leave you with this last phrase. 1,2,3,4 I
declare a....Kindred War.
--Shana Fox
"DR.: I'm a foundationalist Ivonava: a what?
Dr.: a foundationalist, we believe that god is an infinite number of dots
and the closer you get, the harder it is to understand God." --Babylon 5
=E2:EA=X-Phile=VRStormer=Trekker=Timetrax!=Tomorrowpeople!=StrangeLuck=
Shana Fox foxie@g.......
"If we had all the answers we wouldn't be scientists we'd be Gods"
--Seaquest
=Bibliphile=Seaquest!=ForeverKnight!=Tekker=ER=Mercedes Lackey's Valdermer
series=
Forever Knight has been cancelled!!!:-(((( check here for more info
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:25:22 -0700
From: "B. Janine Morison" <morison@a.......>
Subject: Re: Kissing/BMV
I too agree with Nick's kissing talents. While I love Uncle and
his dark ways, when Nick kisses (Janette especially) I am a knightie
through and through. If I remember correctly, the first kiss that
made me shiver was first season Cherry Blossoms when Janette rescues
Nick.
When Nick takes a woman in his arms and then explores her with his
vampiric lips a particular sceen from the the movie Interview with a
Vampire comes to mind. That is in the French theatre of the Vampires
where an audience member shouts to Armand, "take me!"
-Janine
knightie and cousin
morison@a.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:33:50 -0400
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Languages (was: Re: literacy
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Sharon Joy wrote:
> Ah, here's another game. Find the Languages
> Nick speaks and the eps that he speaks them in. I've got to check a few
> things, then I'll start it later tonight...
Great game!
Chinese (Manderin?) in Cherry Blossom and Avenging Angel
French, in episodes to numerous to mention
Spanish, in Sons of Belial
That's all I can get off the top of my head. I'm trying to remember if
Nick actually spoke German in 1966.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:51:40 -0400
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: Bridging the Knight Con and stuff
I dont know if the original announcement for this Con was on this list or
not, but I lost the info. If there is someone who has the details please
e-mail me privately. thanx.
ObFK: I am turning my vet into a Cousin. I took my cat (LaCroix) to the vet
today and he said "LaCroix.....hmm, where is that from??" I told him FK and
he said "Oh yeah!! That show thats on real late! Now, which one is
LaCroix?" Naturally I took the opportunity to fill him in on who he is, what
he does, and why he should declare his loyalty to him. He was very
receptive, and I got a free bottle of cat pee remover to boot!! So do I get
Cousin points or what?? Don't the Jehovah's Witness people get heaven points
for converts? Well, I think we Cousins should get something even better.
Any suggestions?
^v^Cousin Michelle
"No Eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn"- Jim Morrison
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:03:49 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Re: Kissing/BMV
> An apple a day keeps the coroner away!Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:04:42 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Re: Kissing/BMV
Marina's tag:
> An apple a day keeps the coroner away!
Nick: I wouldn't want to do that now, would I.
OOO! What a flirt! Got to love him.
:)=
Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:07:54 -0400
From: Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
der about the poll I started. The question: Do you believe
in the actual existance of Vampires?
I haven't gotten a response in a while, so I think I'll move the deadline
up to 4/15. I'll post the results after I check my mail on 4/16.
So far, I have only 18 votes recorded, so there are a lot of you out there
not on the record.
Oh yes, responses by PRIVATE e-mail, please, don't tie up the list with
this. Please use "Vampire Poll" as the subject.
ObFK: Just saw "Strings" which I had taped and "Trophy Girl" on USA in
succession. You know something? The Perky One DOES have a brain. Really
bad cop instincts, but a brain, nonetheless.
-- Ray
Newly realized member of the Nat Vamp Camp
I BELIEVE!
Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the Knight!
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:08:36 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: People Poll
Don't forget to vote!
ObFK: I voted for Ger!!! Again!!!
:)=
Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:19:39 -0700
From: Kathy L <kathryn@u.......>
Subject: Re: People Poll
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Carrie Krumtum wrote:
> Don't forget to vote!
>
> ObFK: I voted for Ger!!! Again!!!
>
Could somebody repost the address for the people poll (my computer sort
of ate the disk I stored it on).
Thanks
Kathy
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:30:15 -0700
From: Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......>
Subject: Re: Bridging the Knight Con and stuff
Michelle Mark blithly stated:
Don't the Jehovah's Witness people get heaven points
for converts? Well, I think we Cousins should get something even better.
Any suggestions?
<eg> How about 'Devious Points' to be used to make up for act of
altruism? So that, for every so many people brought across, a Cousin is
forgiven for acting nice?
P.S. I've always thought "LaCroix" would be the perfect name for a big,
blue-grey cat. ;)
-Jerimi--->paul@u.......
~~~All I ask is that you treat me no differently than
you would the Supreme and All Powerful Ruler of the Known
and Unknown Universe.~~~
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:28:13 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Bridging the Knight Con and stuff
Cousin Michelle writes:
>Don't the Jehovah's Witness people get heaven points for converts?
>Well, I think we Cousins should get something even better. Any
>suggestions?
Well, hey, you can't beat cat pee remover! ;) (Sorry, you really
walked into that one. ;) )
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:33:21 -0700
From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......>
Subject: Re: A New War
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Shana Fox wrote:
> So a war is about to ensue. Not between FK factions or Kindred clans but
> between each other. We write ourselves up to Toronto and work ourselves
> down to San Francisco. We find K:tE fans interested in war to write on
> their side to keep things interesting and have a good long fight. In fact
I think in theory this would be a wonderful way to promote the show, but
I fear in practice it would be a Very Bad Idea. One of the reasons that
our wars come off so well is because we already know and love each other,
so any attacks we make against each other aren't taken personally 99.99%
of the time. But we don't know the K:tE people.
Also, we don't know each other's characters well enough to write about
them. We'd be hopelessly lost, just trying to fit the two worlds
together at all. But most importantly, we have rival shows going on
here. There are lots of mutually exclusive canon going on, and a lot of
people aren't going to feel like compromising their own show for the sake
of the other. Never mind the fact that a lot of us are still fairly (by
that I mean *really* REALLY) bitter about all this, and to link up with a
bunch of K:tE fans is just asking for trouble.
In my own, admittedly highly cynical opinion, instead of releasing some
of that pent-up frustration about K:tE, it would escalate it into some
real lightning storms, and the whole thing would devolve into a flame war
very, very quickly.
In this mailing list, we have managed to be nice, polite and respectful to
each other. Remember that not all fandoms have that gift.
Catherine
resident stick-in-the-mud
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Catherine Boone catheboo@c.......
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with
themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:09:37 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Another stupid newbie question
Actually, Nat met Nick while working at the morgue on her 28th
birthday, exactly two years before the present-day storyline of
Only the Lonely.
There are also differences in the American and Canadian versions
of the first season episodes (Canadian episodes run longer). Plus
there can be differences in interpretation based on an individual's
viewing. What follows is my interpretation of the facts presented
in both versions of OtL.
Nat is definitely interested in having a relationship with Nick in
the present day, but he doesn't seem as interested. So she starts
dating a man who proves to be a serial killer who later tries to
kill her in an effort to forget how she feels about Nick. This
activity makes Nick jealous, but he decides that it's not his
business to get in the way of her happiness (figuring I guess that
she'd be better off with a mortal relationship). My view of Nat
in this episode is that she was attracted to Nick from the first
time she laid eyes on him (others think differently). I think it
is supported by the following: Nick and Nat are talking on the
street in a flashback. Nick says something in response to her
offer to help him that they've been discussing, "What can you
possibly expect in return?" Nat: "Solving a puzzle is its own
reward." We return to the present where Nat says aloud to herself,
"Liar!" Anyway, when Nat is almost killed and Nick saves her,
he asks her in the tag, "Do you have any idea how worried I was
about you?" She says, "Yeah, I think I do." They look at each other
and Nick leans forward to kiss her, but she turns her head away
and they hug instead, Nick planting a kiss on her head.
I'll have to rewatch the episode to see, but I don't remember the
American version indicating that Nick tried to hypnotize Nat and
failed into forgetting she had seen him as a vampire in the morgue
that first time. I think that may only be in the Canadian version.
At any rate, no romance immediately blossomed after OtL. The next
"romantic" step takes place in second season's Be My Valentine.
It's near Valentine's Day and a serial killer is killing women and
leaving valentines on the scene. Nick decides that he wants to
try having a relationship with Nat. He goes to her apartment and
asks her, "What are we going to do about this, huh? About how we
feel?" They kiss very sweetly and romantically. LC, however, sees
them and decides to cash in an agreement he made with Nick when
LC had been in love (in the flashback) with Nick's mortal sister,
Fleur. Nick stopped LC from bringing her over, even though Fleur
wanted to be with LC. So LC made him promise that if Nick ever fell
in love with a mortal, LC would have the right to deprive him of her.
LC lures Nat to a restaurant, finds out she loves Nick. Nick shows
up to rescue her and when LC mentions their agreement, says he doesn't
love Nat. LC wants him to prove it by bringing her over. Nick goes
through the motions of preparing to do just that, LC tells him not
to, and apparently decides Nick must *not* love Nat. Nat, btw, is
in a hypnotized state, eyes closed, as Nick and LC confront each
other. My feeling about BMV is that both Nick and Nat were carried
away by the idea of romance. We aren't even shown them telling each
other they love each other. Anyway, Nick backs off again from a
relationship with Nat, I think out of fear of what LC might do to
her.
Of course, in this season's Night in Question, Nick, shot in the
head, has a temporary memory loss and doesn't remember being a
vampire. He shows definite romantic interest in Nat in that ep before
he knows he is a vampire.
But all three seasons have had Nick showing a romantic interest in
other women besides Nat.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:12:05 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Another stupid newbie question
Ooops, forgot to add something to my last post. I don't recall Nick
ever coming right out and telling Nat he loves her in any episode.
Anyone else recall any such scene?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:19:54 -0600
From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......>
Subject: Re: People Poll
>Could somebody repost the address for the people poll (my computer sort
>of ate the disk I stored it on).
http://pathfinder.com/people/
This'll get you into the People Mag, then just click on Beautiful People
and save that address to your bookmarks. (I have it on my bookmarks in
Netscape, but I had this on a Stickie Note, which made it easier to get to
right now)
Keep voting. Let your cat vote. Your uncles and cousins. I'm sure that
they'd love to see Ger (or Catherine, or Nigel, or Ben, etc) win.
--------Sharon Joy - A Forever Knightie - SJoy@u.......
There's a past and-----there's a past...
Go here: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:29:30 -0500
From: Janice Cox <jancox@v.......>
Subject: Re: Bridging the Knight Con and stuff
At 07:51 PM 4/12/96 -0400, Michelle Mark wrote:
>I dont know if the original announcement for this Con was on this list or
>not, but I lost the info. If there is someone who has the details please
>e-mail me privately. thanx.
>
>ObFK: I am turning my vet into a Cousin...<snip> So do I get
>Cousin points or what?? Don't the Jehovah's Witness people get heaven points
>for converts? Well, I think we Cousins should get something even better.
> Any suggestions?
>
>^v^Cousin Michelle
>"No Eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn"- Jim Morrison
Brownie Points come to mind. Collect enough of 'em, and win your very own
Brownie. Since this is for the Cousins, of course it would be the little
Girl Scout Brownie. Oh, and she'll be carrying G.S. cookies. Cookies -and-
liquid refreshment! Yum!
Please don't take me seriously. I sure don't.
^v^Janice^v^
Vaquera and Just Plain Strange
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:39:36 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: A New War
On 12 Apr 96 at 17:53, Shana Fox wrote:
1,2,3,4 I
> declare a....Kindred War.
>
Umm, this seems rather...suffen...to have gotten proper list-owner
approval...
On 12 Apr 96 at 17:33, Swordsister wrote:
> I think in theory this would be a wonderful way to promote the show,
> but I fear in practice it would be a Very Bad Idea. One of the
> reasons that our wars come off so well is because we already know
> and love each other..
I have to agree with Catherine here!.
> Catherine
> resident stick-in-the-mud
guess I'm one, too!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t.......,
http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:52:46 -0700
From: wendy lee rios <wlrios@i.......>
Subject: Bye for Now, CD, WAR
I'm on digest for the next few weeks---I'll miss all of you. I got the
CD yesterday. I went over to Crescendo Records to pick it up (yes,
living in LA does have a couple advantages). The place is located
upstairs in a hotel on the Sunset Strip--the people were really very
nice, and they have a very eclectic collection of CDs--everything from
"Lost in Space"to "My Favorite Martian", and seem to have a lot of Star
Trek memorabilia also. You can fax them for their free catalog of CDs
if you are interested.
Regarding Shana's posting, I, for one would not want to get wrapped up
in a war comparing FK with KtheE. This is the FK list, and let's keep
it that way. I think if people are interested in stirring up trouble
they should take it somewhere else.
Bye, all
Wendy
Knightie 4ever
We Watch and We are Always Here
----The Talamasca
P>S>
By all means, buy the CD!!!!!
It is great!!!
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:01:00 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: ReRuns & Spoiler-Protection
On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, AKR <r@w.......> wrote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but "Fever" will *finally* rerun in
>syndication this weekend.
I called my syndie station a couple of days ago, and they said "Fever" was this
weekend. :) They also said these were *their* air dates (not the satellite
broadcast dates) for new eps (please note, they show FK at 1am
Saturday/Sunday):
4/27 Jane Doe
5/4 Francesca
5/11 Ashes to Ashes
5/18 Last Knight
And then they're going to start *way* back at the beginning with "Black Buddha
pt. 1", on my station, anyway....
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:01:17 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: A New War
SUDDEN! I meant sudden!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t.......,
http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:46:17 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: How Nick and Nat Met <was Re: Another stupid newbie question>
Amy wrote:
>*Nick* flashes back to their encounter on the street... Natalie is
>fascinated by this scientific puzzle, this *physical* problem. Nick,
>however, asserts that "Evil is a metaphysical condition."
Was that scene in the American version of "Only the Lonely"? I seem to
remember someone saying the line, "Evil is a metaphysical condition," was
only in the Canadian version.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:07:35 -0500
From: We Two <gebbie@e.......>
Subject: Re: Bye for Now, CD, WAR
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, wendy lee rios wrote:
> Regarding Shana's posting, I, for one would not want to get wrapped up
> in a war comparing FK with KtheE.
Indeed. We have never been *about* starting wars with other people. We
may not always succede, but we always try to be polite as possible and
respect each other. It's one thing Jaye has (rightly) insisted on.
>This is the FK list, and let's keep
> it that way. I think if people are interested in stirring up trouble
> they should take it somewhere else.
Amen. As someone who almost unubscribed when every post on this list was
about The Other Show, I think it would be most unpleasant to drag people
into something they don't want to participate in.
To whomever made the original post(I've lost it), your loyalty to FK is
to be admired, but it shouldn't mean you feel you have to fight with
other fandoms. Not to mention that some Forkni-Ler's may be members of both.
-Deb Martin
gebbie@e.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:09:58 -0400
From: Susan Honig <Susankenn@a.......>
Subject: roommate needed.
Hi
I need a roommate for the Gerthering. I am a non smoker.
Please e mail me privately if you are interested.
Susan
Susankenn@a.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:19:34 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: How Nick and Nat Met <was Re: Another stupid newbie question>
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Margie Hammet wrote:
> I seem to remember someone saying the line, "Evil is a metaphysical
> condition," was only in the Canadian version.
Ok; it's only in the Canadian version. Happy? :) It's one of my
favorite lines, so I don't much care where it comes from... Is this to
imply that things which are only in the Canadian versions are somehow less
canonical than things in both versions? I thought that we viewed the US
versions as pared down CAN eps, instead of the CAN eps as US eps with
extra stuff...?
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
Knightie, Light Cousin, Fleur-Booster, (Im)Mortal Beloved, Pax FK
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:24:44 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: Another stupid newbie question
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Sandra Gray wrote:
> I don't recall Nick ever coming right out and telling Nat he loves her
> in any episode. Anyone else recall any such scene?
To the best of my knowledge, the closest Nick has ever come to admitting
his love in our hearing was in MBIAV, when he says, "I don't think you'll
ever really understand how much I care." Far from a ringing declaration,
you must admit. However, in BMV, LC asks Nat how she felt when Nick
declared his love for her, and she didn't say he didn't... Of course, she
was drugged and/or whammied at the time. I can't recall Nick ever telling
anyone that he loved her... or him... in first or second seasons, anyway.
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
Knightie, Light Cousin, Fleur-Booster, (Im)Mortal Beloved, Pax FK
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:32:15 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: Literacy?
On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, June Russell wrote:
> As a LOL ("Lover of Loft") I have studied where he keeps his books. They are
> in the hallway off the kitchen next to the refrigerator. Never got a close
> enough look to see *what* is in it, but it looks pretty full.
:) I am willing to accept this. :) Thank you, Kat. Looking down my nose
at Nick's reading habits was hardly a Knightieish thing to be doing. :)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:41:13 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: Literacy?
On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Dotti Rhodes wrote:
> First of all, you're assuming that the writer's spent as much time
> researching or is as smart as you guys are (not a chance) and knew the
> things that you guys do.
Actually, the first rule of Continuity Obsession is that there
are No Errors in continuity. :) Whatever happened, happened, and the
explanation is just waiting out there somewhere until we find it. It
makes no difference whatsoever if the author had no clue whatsoever.
Nick, you know, is a Continuity Obsessive himself. It's there in
every rationalization. He believes that he stopped killing after the
murder of the ballerina in LYTD. Therefore, he has rationalized every
death since such that it doesn't "count," and thus he can therefore make
that claim to Janette in LYTD, even though he certainly knew then about all
the deaths we've tallied since then... :)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
Knightie, Light Cousin, Fleur-Booster, (Im)Mortal Beloved, Pax FK
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:49:24 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: BMW (was Roses)
TJ wrote---
> > I wasn't aware there was a general feeling against [BMV]. Is
> > there? I loved it too, and I'm also willing to say so.
The first time I made an impassioned statement about how great BMV is,
someone told me privately that it was a very... stressful time for the
cast and crew. I got the impression that it left a bad taste in a lot of
mouths. I'm sorry about that, and I admit BMV has its flaws, but parts
of it still impress me immensely. NB's performance there inspired my
whole Light Cousin thing, just for starters. And the very idea of Fleur
is worth ever so much, in understanding Nick as well as LC.
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
Knightie, Light Cousin, Fleur-Booster, (Im)Mortal Beloved, Pax FK
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:51:32 -0700
From: Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: A New War
Shana offers:
> screaming *Bloody* murder. Well I have a proposed solution. We declare
> war. The FK list hasn't had a war in a long time, and with the Save FK
...
> So a war is about to ensue. Not between FK factions or Kindred clans but
...
> I leave you with this last phrase. 1,2,3,4 I declare a....Kindred War.
I'm digging myself out of my ton-of-unread-mail pile to add my
voice to Catherine's and Karen's and Deb Martin's...
Those of us who are veterans tend to forget how, well, violent
and nasty the name "War" sounds to outsiders and newbies. For
those who haven't been in one, the best way to figure out what
we really mean by a "War" here is to read one (or _parts_ of
one) of the past wars (available on the fic ftp and web sites,
I believe).
The wars are about playing pranks on friends and favorite characters.
My favorite war-related quote of all time is from Susan G: "FK,
the only fandom in which attack is a sign of affection." ;-)
Thus, I for one am not interested in a FK/KTE war. I don't know these
people or these characters. (And they don't know me.) I don't want to
have an extended slumber-party with them. And that's essentially what
an FK War is... with heavy emphasis on the sleeping-person's-hand-in-
the-glass-of-warm-water and wet-bras-in-the-freezer-overnight <vbg>.
*That* said, the FKFIC-L is the *FK* fiction list... and, while cross-
overs are o.k... I think this would really be pushing it.
And, most importantly: *NO ONE MAY DECLARE WAR WITHOUT JAYE-our-
glorious-and-most-revered<g>-LISTOWNER's EXPRESS PERMISSION*!
Wars happen when she says so. No voting, no arguing.
(Although suggestions, submissive pleading, and outright bribes
are permitted ;-)
Dianne
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <cat.goddess@p.......>
"Oh _Baby_! There's nothing better than a little Irishman covered in mud!"
-- Cousin Deb M. on seeing a photo of Ken Branaugh from _Henry V_ <vbg>
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:55:21 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Kissing/BMV
At 04:25 PM 4/12/96 -0700, Janine wrote:
> When Nick takes a woman in his arms and then explores her with his
> vampiric lips a particular sceen from the the movie Interview with a
> Vampire comes to mind. That is in the French theatre of the Vampires
> where an audience member shouts to Armand, "take me!"
It's a good thing you don't live in my neighborhood while I'm watching FK -
you'd hear that and a lot more....
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:08:12 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: The Future of Light Cousins
Allison, Knightie, wrote:
> >Light Cousins: I think LaCroix himself will drain these guys
> >dry within 24 hours of the start of the next war . . .
To reassure Idalia, myself, and anyone else out there, even though I've
never been in a war and I lost all my FAQs in the Great Filter Implosion
of 1996, I'm pretty sure the rule "Nothing Permanent" is followed in the
FK list wars, and as nothing is more permanent than death (now that we all
stay mortal, anyway) we aren't actually in danger of much worse than being
pressed into service as waitresses on Amateur Night at the Raven... <g>
Idalia, Light Cousin, wrote:
> Hey, wait! I just got here a few short months ago, and now
> by virtue of identifying with Amy's new faction, I'm being told
> that I may end up DEAD in the next war?!
Well, death does seem to be a factor in my factional inclinations, doesn't
it? I'm a Fleur-Booster, and she's as dead as dead comes. Not to mention
the Nevermore mess... Maybe I'm a jinx. Maybe you should all be warned.
Maybe all the other factions should be glad that my primary affiliation is
Knightie, and I'll just inflict my bad luck on them... :)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *****
Knightie, Light Cousin, Fleur-Booster, (Im)Mortal Beloved, Pax FK
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