FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9604B Part 10
April 9, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604B" Part 10
TOPICS:
Liking Third Season
FK CD and YKYB...
Blood/Blood Light Recipes
Vampiric Balance (4)
Rosebud (2)
Every 54 years
Prince Nick (was Re: Is Nick a snob?) (3)
Will episodes be cut on SciFi Channel?
What are we talking about
BB Questions (3)
Vudu & C-4
I have seen it...
People poll
Recipe for Blood
FK CD: Mine Came!
People Poll
Abbreviations
F.K. CD (for Latecomers)
FK copyrights?
First FK CD and now......!
Difference in FK from Beginning to Now
Unpopular theories (was: Prince Nick)
Uncle's 3rd Season Looks
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:15:28 -0400
From: Melanie Hernandez <Gitanita@a.......>
Subject: Re: Liking Third Season
In a message dated 96-04-08 03:55:02 EDT, lf@c....... (Apache) wrote:
>the look on Nick's face when Vachon says, "Detective, this must
>all be very confusing to you. Let me tell you what you will remember,
>and what you will forget.
I was wondering when that scene was gonna get mentioned!! I loved the look
on Nick's face! It was hilarious! :-D It was kinda like, "Yeah whatever
Vachon, let's play pretend for Tracy..." It was great!
~Melanie~
*Newly converted Dark Knightie*Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*FoSiL*
*Newly strengthened Vaquera*
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:15:05 -0400
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: FK CD and YKYB...
>Stores like Sam Goody, Tower
>and others won't have it until sometime later.
Will stores in Canada be carrying the CD? I'd rather wait until
it becomes commercially available, but I'd like to know if I
actually have a choice...:>
YKYB on the Lists for too long when...
Your Chem prof says that we "have to get down to the business
at hand" and you can't stop giggling.
YKYB talking about the lists far too much when...
Your lab partner actually understands your explanation of the giggle-
fit.
yes, this actually happened...<sigh>. I'm just waiting for "blue
meanies" to come up in casual conversation...
Dona Katya
-=feel the call of the Knight...=-
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:15:07 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Blood/Blood Light Recipes
At 01:53 PM 4/9/96 +0200, Connie wrote:
>
>I also would like the recipies, my who family is in to the FK.
Your "who" family? (ROTFL) Is that as in Dr. Who or the Whos in Whoville?
(Sorry, I'm being a real Witch aren't I) BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:32:27 -0400
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Vampiric Balance
We're doing vampire flowcharts now. Oh, my.
Now... if I were going to inject my opinion into this debate, I would say
that a more proper assessment might be to rate the supporting characters
based on the amount of guilt they provoke in Nick. On this scale, Natalie,
Janette and Schanke would have a high guilt factor, whereas Tracy and
Vachon would have a low guilt factor because Nick hasn't had time to
sufficiently screw up their lives yet. <g>
Or you could rate 'em on the flashback factor, basing the rating system on
the quantity and quality of Nick's flashbacks as provoked by the various
characters...
And then there's the ever-shifting 'fault' line, as in, "It's your fault
I'm backsliding" -- who's to blame this week?
Nah, I'm not ragging on Nick. They're all just different expressions of
the same basic issue: the interactions between the characters, or more
precisely, between the supporting characters and Nick. I just think that
the problem is, the balance was perfectly right the first two seasons; and
by removing elements and trying to substitute "opposite" elements, it just
never did quite find the same equilibrium again. There seem to me to be
gaping holes in characterization: things that would've been said or done by
a now-missing character are left unsaid and undone, depriving us of a layer
of depth that we've grown accustomed to. And while the third-season
additions and changes offered a lot of potential for the evolution of a new
direction, a new balance, it's a potential that's gone largely unrealized.
I'm not ragging on third season, either. I've basically liked third
season. I just... could've liked it a whole lot more.
--
Jamie M.R. -- Asst. Listowner -- http://members.aol.com/immajer/
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
"I may do what I have done. I may smash the hollow rock
without breaking stride and splinter the glitter inside
all over a midnight street." -- L.F.
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:30:12 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Rosebud
<199604091646.JAA29863@m.......>
>Does anyone know where I can reach Rosebud? I seemed to have lost his email
> address. (-:
As a matter a fact yes.
Unfortunantely it is on a uucp network and it's address needs to be resolved
on one of their local machines (for some reason they don't have
a direct line to the Internet).
<lets.get.naked!strip.bar.com!raven.backroom.studio!rosebud>
If your message gets rejected, it's probably because his mail box is full.
But don't worry, others will by "dying" to solve the problem...
Currently Factionless
John
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:40:36 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Vampiric Balance
Interesting diagram, Amy. And a concrete representation of how
changed the focus has become in third season. Although I think I would
diagram first season a little differently:
Janette Natalie
---------------Nick----------------
LaCroix Schanke
With Nick in the middle of a seesaw balanced on either side by the
pleasures and fears of his past and the hopes and fears of his future
(yes, I think Schanke's lifestyle would scare Nick a little. ;) ).
Amy's diagram with LC at the head of the cross shows how the focus
shifted more to LC in second season (to the detriment of both Nick
and LC, I think, and even to Janette and Nat too).
We started to see more vampires in second season, maybe because TPTB
took our desires to see more vampire activity to heart (I think most
of us meant we wanted to see more about the vampire characters of
LC and Janette). Then, in third season, the decision to get rid of
some characters and bring in others also tended to reinforce the
vampire elements of the show though.
I think the new pattern might be similar to a Star of David (and I
am not going to draw it, but hope that description will suffice).
Nick is still in the center. Starting at the top point and moving
clockwise are LC, Urs, Nat, Tracy, Screed, and Vachon. This puts
LC, Nat and Screed on one triangle and Vachon, Urs, and Tracy on
the other triangle. Now, in the first part of third season, I think
the attempt was made to turn the star upside down and put Tracy on
top to focus more on her triangle than on Nick. I think we can all
agree that we got some overkill on Tracy's character as a result.
Later in the season, the star got turned back upright again and the
focus improved. But LC is *still* on top and Nick has been
backsliding more. BTW, in case you're wondering I put Screed on
the triangle for battle for more direct battle for Nick because, as
someone mentioned, Screed was existing as a vampire without normally
feeding on people, and also because Screed apparently had some
religious beliefs (his comment about "watching out for me" when he
found the white rat in Fever). Tracy is part of her own triangle
with Urs and Vachon because I believe that the original intent was
to have Vachon vacillate between the two women.
Tracy doesn't seem to mind that Vachon is a vampire because her view
of vampires probably is "romantic" due to media influences (imo,
anyway), plus I think she's very attracted to Vachon. But her
acceptance of Vachon *does*, as Amy says, make it seem like Nat is
the only one really representing the mortal viewpoint for Nick
anymore. And he's been more involved with other vampires (and done
more backsliding) this season.
But if we examine our favorite episodes from this season, I think
most of us agree that they are the ones that center on Nick (Night
in Question, Sons of Belial), although there are others that haven't
that are interesting too (Fever).
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:58:23 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Every 54 years
>Someone extrapolated that, based on that once every ten minutes heart
>beat, female vampires would only menstruate every 54 years.
>Am I the only one who immediately had an horrific vision of Janette
>with PMS?
Oooh! And if humans have PMS for seven days before a period (conservative
estimate), then she'd have PMS for thirteen years! Maybe that's why LC
brought Nick across roughly 200 years after Janette--she was on her third
jag of PMS, and he had to do *something* to get her off his back!
Ducking and running from incensed Ravenettes,
Stephanie Babbitt
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:42:07 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Prince Nick (was Re: Is Nick a snob?)
Lizbet wrote:
About whether the girl at the Raven was a vamp or mortal, even though she
had fangs and gold eyes:
:Because Nick was hallucinating, like he was when bottles of blood flew all
:over the loft and gook started coming up out of the sink (Liquid Plummer,
:Nick?)
I had the feeling from when Nat went to the loft that one of the reasons she
was so worried about Nick (and had to conceal it from Tracy so that Tracy
would stay uninvolved) was because the loft *was* a mess. (I cringe when I
think of the piano strings!) I think it was real, not an hallucination.
:But I like mine better--why
:would LaCroix be happy that he was sucking face with another female vamp?
I can think of a couple of reasons:
1. It wasn't Nat
2. He was showing his "vampire" nature
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:25:10 CDT
From: L'Phantom <jrarmstr@p.......>
Subject: Re: Vampiric Balance
> We're doing vampire flowcharts now. Oh, my.
What'd you expect from a Math/Comp. Sci. major? <g>
[T]he balance was perfectly right the first two seasons; and
> by removing elements and trying to substitute "opposite" elements, it just
> never did quite find the same equilibrium again. There seem to me to be
> gaping holes in characterization....
I would agree with this statement completely. The balance between the
supporting characters as they influenced Nick kept Nick right in the middle.
Any drop in the pull in any one direction, and Nick would go sailing in the
other. Going with the original chart of Janette opposite Nat and Schanke
opposite LC, when Schanke died and Janette left, Nick was pulled into a
tug-of-war between Nat and LC. We see this sort of oppostion in NiQ and
SoB. Enter Tracy and Vachon, who Nick sees as a mirror of himself and Nat
and tries to keep Tracy from being hurt as much as Nick (thinks he) is
hurting Nat. Nick, in this case, becomes (oddly enough) very LaCroixian in
his thinking, threatening Vachon if he brings Tracy across. So while Nick
is torn between Nat and LC, Vachon is torn between Tracy and Nick.
Is it possible that Nick is more like LaCroix than he would ever admit?
Straying from your mind into your left shoulder, just coz I can,
The "New and Improved" L'Phantom
Now a Cousin in full standing!
http://bsc.edu/~jrarmstr/
Help Save Forever Knight! Ask me how! jrarmstr@b.......
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:49:05 -0400
From: Polly Lynn <plynn@p.......>
Subject: Will episodes be cut on SciFi Channel?
A Vaquera delurking here.
Does anyone know if the episodes being shown on SciFi (espcially Season 1
and 2) are going to be cut/shaved to make room for more commercials (a la
the original Star Trek)? Or are they going to be shown intact. I intend to
tape all of them, but don't want to if I know they are going to shave
seconds off scenes to fit in more commercials. Or, hopefully, are they
going to be commercial free?
Thanks.
Polly
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:51:18 -0500
From: "DEBRA J. BEDORE" <MSA1041@m.......>
Subject: What are we talking about
.int forkni-L@p.......
So far today, I've read about:
Nicks bathtoom habits (does he have any?)
Jenetts "monthly" habits(I don't want to know)
And, not to be missed, vampire sexual asphyxiation
I either need a life or lacking that, new episodes:-)
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:57:16 EDT
From: Ian Curtis <102425.1537@c.......>
Subject: Re: BB Questions
>>Well, yes, true. But that explostion happened in the cockpit. The fuel
>>tanks are under the wings aren't they? Maybe they didn't get exploded in the
>>process.
>>Susan B
<here is where the chemistry comes in handy...>
good observation, and it would be very true, but it mentioned in BB that
Vudu had stolen a rather sizable amount of C-4 plastique which is one of the
more powerful forms of plastic explosive. Therefore, the fuel tanks would most
certainly have been in the blast area. Anarchists cookbook...gotta love it!
-- Ian Curtis
Malkavian Monitor of Toronto
"Children of the night...SHUT UP!"
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:01:48 -0400
From: Susan Bratt <Vampzek@a.......>
Subject: Re: Prince Nick (was Re: Is Nick a snob?)
In a message dated 96-04-09 01:25:51 EDT, you write:
>Although I'll buy Sandra's explanation that she was a younger vampire and
>could be injured by his greater strength.
If that woman had been mortal, LaCroix would've hypnotized her. He just
admonished her in a normal tone of voice, though, so she must've been a
vampire.
>But I like mine better--why
>would LaCroix be happy that he was sucking face with another female vamp?
Same reason ~most~ Daddies are happy their son is sucking face with a
~female~! :) No but seriously, I think LaCroix was so happy because it meant
Nick was trying to have a realtionship (read: one night stand) with one of
his ~own~ kind. You know, instead of with one of us silly annoying mortal
types.
Susan B
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:57:19 EDT
From: Ian Curtis <102425.1537@c.......>
Subject: Re: BB Questions
>> Planes don't have to explode when they crash. They can hit and
>>scrape themselves over a considerable amount of space, and maybe pieces
>>can even catch fire, but explosions aren't mandatory.
umm...in this case your theory doesn't fit, since the plane DIDN'T crash!
The plane was blown up in mid air, and seeing as it had just left Pearson, I
imagine it would have been fully fueled. As to how Vachon survived, in TV
terms, just lucky I guess. Hey, it IS a TV show!
-- Ian Curtis
Malkavian Monitor of Toronto
"I challenge you to give me the scientific definition of *the whammy*"
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:24:07 -0500
From: patrick kortner aiex <paiex@i.......>
Subject: Vudu & C-4
Gang:
Are we sure the explosive Vudu used was C-4? According to my
uncle, who was a munitions expert, C-4 indeed is one of the most powerful
explosives on Earth, but for a plane bomb, I'd think Vudu would have used
Semtex, which is much harder to detect with conventional methods. It has
no odor detectable by drug/explosive dogs, and is most commonly used with
altitude-sensitive detonators.
Pat -- The Lone "Boom-Boom" Nanette, B-Negative FoD,
Web Page Designer-In-Training
"Love your suit." Hannibal Lecter, "Silence of the Lambs"
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:27:38 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: I have seen it...
I saw the FK commercial on the SFC. It is slick. All those shots of Ger. Does
a Knightie's heart good.
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:33:06 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: People poll
Hi guys,
I know that maybe it's getting old, but, let's not forget to vote for our guy
regularly. David Duchovny is on the top ten list three times! Our guy is no
where to be found. Come on out and vote. Ta?
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:32:50 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Recipe for Blood
Since everyone is sharing recipes for blood, I thought I'd add my favourite
to the list. Some of the ingredients are a little hard to find, but all it
takes is a little determination and a lot of imagination.
You take one vampire with fangs, one plump, beauteous, innocent virgin, a
dollop of a dark stormy night, an ever so slight splash of alcohol (on the
virgin only) for taste, plenty of fire for easy disposal, and ..... <veg>
OBFK: ummm.... I think LaCroix would really appreciate this recipe.
Jane (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:42:51 -0700
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: FK CD: Mine Came!
Ok, ok, it's a me-too... but my CD came! Hah! Washington state...!
Visual impressions:
The picture on the front, of Nick vamped out, is a bit... silly.
The picture on the back, of the old Raven awning, is just perfect.
The pictures inside -- marvelous! But where the heck is that one of Ger
and Cath from? And, meaning no offense, I'm grateful that there is a
picture with Deb, and not one with LR or BB...
Audio impressions: coming as soon as I have something to say that hasn't
already been said better. All homage to the artists!
(I am a HAPPY camper...)
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... *******
"The mighty mountains bare their fangs unto the moon" --Robert Service
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:08:41 -0800
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Rosebud
Tanya,
No problem, glad to help; the address is --rosebud@k........
Barbara
On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Tanya Smith wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can reach Rosebud? I seemed to have lost his email
> address. (-:
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:26:57 -0600
From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......>
Subject: Re: People Poll
>Can you vote more than once with the same E mail address????
>
You can vote as may times as you want. It seems to be all automated - just
too much volume for anyone to really check.
I vote a few times each day, using my same email address, but a variety of
names. I simply cast a vote for everyone I know. I'm *sure* they'd want
me to vote for Ger, Ger, Catherine, Deb & Nigel!
I think there're only a few more days. So let's make a good showing.
--Sharon
--------Sharon Joy - A Forever Knightie - SJoy@u.......
There's a past and-----there's a past...
Go here: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:27:01 -0600
From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......>
Subject: Re: Abbreviations
>AA, AFWTD, AMPH, AN, AtA, BB, BB, BB part 1, BB part 2, BF, Blackwing,
>BM, BMV, BtL, CB, CC, C&C, CL, CO, The Code, CRCH, DA, DBTLOTM, DFF, DI,
>DK, DON, DTKY, FD, Fever, FF, FF, FI, FI, The Fix, FIHS, FITP, FM, FTB,
etc.
Only on the internet. Ya gotta love this place. :)=
---Sharon - vote in the People Poll!
SJoy@uh/edy
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:39:03 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: BB Questions
In <199604092120.OAA23016@m.......> Ian Curtis writes:
>>>Well, yes, true. But that explostion happened in the cockpit. The fuel
>>>tanks are under the wings aren't they? Maybe they didn't get exploded in
>>>the process.
>>>Susan B
>>good observation, and it would be very true, but it mentioned in BB that
>>Vudu had stolen a rather sizable amount of C-4 plastique which is one of the
>>more powerful forms of plastic explosive. Therefore, the fuel tanks would most
>>certainly have been in the blast area. Anarchists cookbook...gotta love it!
Wait a sec. How big is the blast going to be? We're talking about a
music box here, not a suitcase full of C-4. The fuel tanks may not be
within the blast area. Vudu wanted to bring down the plane. He only had
to blow up the cockpit. Dead pilots and blown up control systems.
Ted Striker (or Dr. Grant) couldn't bring the plane down in one piece if
they wanted to.
Forever Factionless
John
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:35:11 -0400
From: JenningsHowle <jhhowle@e.......>
Subject: F.K. CD (for Latecomers)
Yes, I am one of those people who didn't order the C.D. when I first heard
about it, but I just got off the phone with Crescendo and they said that
they would get it right out to me.
So latecomers. Don't fret! Order now!
You guys are the best marketing people I know!
Rebecca
Hotel Goddess for the Shrewthering, Dark Knightie-all the fun of liking Nick
without all the guilt and angst. Co-owner of Blue Meanies.
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:58:46 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: FK copyrights?
>Just out of curiosity, has anyone taken a good look at the closing
>credits for seasons 1, 2, and 3 and noted the copyright holders of
>the FK "stuff" for each of those seasons?
Actually, I asked JP himself (via e-mail) who owns the copywrites for FK.
(hopefully, y'all will find out why soon-- can't tell you yet, though)
He said TriStar, totally and absolutely. :(
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:38:37 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Prince Nick (was Re: Is Nick a snob?)
>>I'll bite: if she was mortal why did she have fangs and gold eyes?
>
>Because Nick was hallucinating, like he was when bottles of blood flew all
>over the loft and gook started coming up out of the sink (Liquid Plummer,
>Nick?)
But he WASN'T hallucinating. The blood was really flying all over the
loft, etc., as evidenced by the fact that when he saw the guy almost get
electrocuted at the station, TRACY reacted too.
>Although I'll buy Sandra's explanation that she was a younger vampire and
>could be injured by his greater strength. But I like mine better--why
>would LaCroix be happy that he was sucking face with another female vamp?
Because it'd be the first real interest he'd shown in another vampire
since Jeanette left town. You think LaCroix doesn't know he's interested
in Natalie? To see him engaging in a little vampire "fang and bang" (I
love that expression!) would have been a relief.
>He'd been doing that with Janette for two years (three if you think that a
>year transpired between LYTD and KI). But if he were attacking a mortal
>woman... that would please Daddy very much.
On the contrary. It would be a SERIOUS problem, and once that just might
bring the enforcers in.
---- TJ
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:38:46 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: First FK CD and now......!
>And now hearing that NB has co-written a book.!!! Colour this Cousin,
>extremely happy!!
Pardon?
---- TJ
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:59:37 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Vampiric Balance
Hi All!
Alright, now you get -my- $0.02 on Vampiric Balance.
Bear with me on this one, folks . . . it's -really- long (for me). :^)
I think it's a (very appropriate, mind you) Tree of Life.
Behold!
o - Janette
/ \
/ \
Lacroix - o - - - o - Nick
Screed - o - - - o - Vachon
\ /
\ /
o - Tracy
Crooks - o - - - o - Nat
\ /
\ /
o - the Captain
|
o - us
Notes: To the right are the "good" guys: Nick, Vachon, and Nat.
In the center are the "neutrals": Janette, Tracy, the Captain and us.
To the left are the "evils": LaCroix, Screed, and the Crook of the week.
The top triangle are the major vamps: Nick, Janette, and LaCroix.
The center triangle are the minor vamps linked together by the one
mortal that knows their secret (thus linking them to the mortals).
The bottom triangle are the mortals. Their roots spring from us.
Now the explanation. This may get a little strange at times, so bear
with me. The top triangle is bound together by their blood, both
figuratively (they are, to all intents and purposes, a family, IMHO)
and literally - in more ways than one. Nick is the "good" vamp for
obvious reasons. Janette is the neutral vamp - for most of the shows
that she was in, she didn't take sides. LaCroix is the "evil" vamp.
Their lives are intertwined with each other - Nick to LaCroix and
Janette, LaCroix to Nick and Janette, and Janette to LaCroix and Nick.
The second triangle is pretty much the same. Vachon is a "lesser"
Nick, a Vamp that is just beginning to learn the ropes of being "good",
so he goes under Nick. Tracy, believe it or not, is a "lesser" Janette,
one who has a mortal role in life. She also represents Janette as a
mortal, but since she is in this "lesser" role, she has not realized her
true position on the Tree. Screed -represents- the "bad" Vampires, the
ones that aren't even using mortals for food, and thus, he is a "lesser"
LaCroix. He is a distorted mirror image of LaCroix, a "poor man's"
vamp, if you will. Since LaCroix makes such a great vampire, Screed
makes a "bad" example to and/or for vamps in general.
The third triangle is the mortals. Nat on the side of good, and thus
representing, in a way, mortal sides of both Nick and Vachon, and thus
is a "lesser" version of either of them. This does -not- mean that
she is a lesser person - far from it. In her role she shows us, in her
own way, what Nick and/or Vachon could be like. The Captain, whoever
"it" may be, is the neutral party standing between good (here represented
by Nat) and evil (here represented by the crooks :^). The crooks show
us that both Screed and LaCroix have their human side, and also show that
neither is -truly- evil.
And, of course, we are at the bottom of the Tree, feeding it. We
represent not only the viewers (that nourish the show) but the victims
(who nourish the Vamps) as well.
Of course, your milage on my whole theory may vary greatly....
:^)
Bruce Gray
Die-Hard with a Vengeance
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:07:44 -0700
From: Lisa Reeves <ad483@d.......>
Subject: Re: Difference in FK from Beginning to Now
Dotti Rhodes wrote:
> >laughing at her for crying over King Kong. Third season Nick wouldn't have
> >laughed at that...he'd have spiraled into a hopeless depression.
> >
> My point exactly!! Yes!! But I don't even think 3rd season Nat would have
> been there in the first place.....
There is that. <gryn>
I need to sit down with the episode guide, and watch these in order. We've
been skipping thru the order my son finds interesting, and it's playing hell
with my continuity.
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:01:38 -0700
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <elewis@u.......>
Subject: Unpopular theories (was: Prince Nick)
The sound you hear is my theory biting the dust.
OK, I concede. It was a vampire in the back room in SoB. You all are just
much smarter than I, so I shall pack my bags and go home. (Wait... I am
home! *This* is my home!)
My other unpopular theory (no, not that one): In Black Buddha Pt 1, what
happened to Claire (the blonde on the Titanic who no one could remember the
name of). Everyone I've talked to thinks that Nick killed her. I think he
brought her across.
1. He didn't believe she was responsible for the disaster.
2. She had explicitly asked for immortality.
3. He hadn't killed anyone in about 20 years by that point (OK, he killed
two "traitors" in OtLines thirty years later, but that was in the nature on
an execution).
How about this one?
Lizbet~*~*~*~*~*~*~Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild
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Ravenette of the New Order--Knightie/NatPacker/N&N Packer with Cousinly
Sympathies and faint leanings towards Vanquea-ism
"Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw"--Passion is the will to be
Listowner, Middle Ages Life
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:39:22 EDT
From: MS IDALIA KAKESAKO <NPYF15B@p.......>
Subject: Re: Uncle's 3rd Season Looks
On Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:13:03 +0200, Marina B. wrote:
>I hadn't noticed. When exactly do they start popping up (if
>you'll excuse the pun)? I've seen up to "Avenging Angel".
I believe The Brows in Question have been noticeable for
quite a while now, especially after the demise of the "Forever
Vetter" version of this season. <I> first became aware of
their power of distraction while viewing "Games Vampires
Play."
Anyone else? When <did> Uncle's brows begin to take on a
life of their own? :) Was it demonic influence (the Brows
of Belial)? Did a piece of Vachon's mane escape, fleeing
across the bar to take residence on LC's forehead?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Idalia Kakesako
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