FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9604A Part 8
April 2-April 3, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604A" Part 8
TOPICS:
Screed (was Re: Continuity, etc) (2)
Hand online!
Carouches and Nick (2)
Reruns and I tried...
People Poll (2)
FK RPG
I am so ashamed...
That Other Show...
Has this happened to anyone else?
Faction names (2)
Warm Fuzzies For The List?
Nick and Vachon faction name
The Future is on Sci-Fi (3)
Review of Spelling's Surprise! (puke) (2)
jiijioj
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!! (2)
Hand? Blue Meanies Ownership & War.
Shirts, jackets, etc...
Kindling: The Disgraced
LIST RULES: The Poem!
Review of Kindred (on-topic... bear with me)
YNYBW....my Mum & Calla Lilies
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:17:59 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: Re: Screed (was Re: Continuity, etc)
> My opinion is that Vachon *is* (was) Screed's master...
> So Screed could have been a mistake Vachon inadvertantly made or
> even his first "failure"... We know from... Bad Blood that vampires can
> be made accidentally and without drinking the blood of their masters.
I am amazed that I managed to get Sandra's well-supported opinion down to
four lines. :) BB (well, *that* BB) is another one I've yet to see, but
apparently it invalidates the theory of carouches as masterless.
However, we know how Nick feels about carouches, so we can assume that he
doesn't think he is one... can it really come down to "vermin"? I'm
happy with the idea that Vachon brought Screed across, inadvertently or
not, but this whole "lower order of vampire" thing still bothers me.
Carouches as "mistakes"? Well, what about Nick's mistakes as master?
What about the theory about LC not having taught N & J how to bring others
across properly? :)
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... ***
Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique, Fourth Movement
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:21:46 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Hand online!
In a message dated 96-04-02 10:08:46 EST, Lynn wrote:
>I'd like to add to the "Ger's phenomenal vocal talent" thread by
>suggesting that everyone who can go (re-)watch the Schanke-confessional scene
>in For I Have Sinned. I can't recall the last time I laughed as hard while
>watching a TV show by myself.
I had the same reaction. I have brought someone across with this scene as
well. A Catholic girlfriend who just loved the humor of this scene and the
way GWD played it. She's hooked.
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:21:52 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches and Nick
In a message dated 96-04-02 18:44:05 EST, you write:
>I suppose this could be analogous to chocolates. The difference
>between a box of Godiva chocolates versus a bag of Hershy's Kisses.
>
>
I guess that makes me a carouche then. I'd much rather have the Herseys
Kisses.
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:23:16 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Reruns and I tried...
I have a question: Am I going to have to wait until after the final ep
before I can see the first four of this season?
I haven't seen BB 1 or 2, Ouside the Lines, or the first half of
Blackwing. And I don't have any of them on tape.
I know what happened in BB, and Blackwing (a N&Ner's nightmare...), but
what was Outside the Lines about?
and a quick mention of *the other*....
I thought both Susan and Tippi made very good points about being
'educated' critics of you-know-what. And even *then* the main reason I
watched was to quench my homesickness.
Well, *that* plan lasted five minutes....and even then I squirmed in pain.
Ack! I'm taping it and will go back after it's over and fast-forward
through it so I can see all the good shots of the city.
They just *had* to set that *thing* in San Francisco, didn't they?
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker: Yes, I am *both* a Nick&NatPacker & Valentine
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:40:44 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: People Poll
Guys, I have tried to vote on this page five times. I get the voting page
easily enough, but, when I click the putton to send my votes I continue to
get the Cannot Retrieve massage. Anyone else have this trouble? Help please.
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:43:29 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: FK RPG
I vaguely recall this coming up a month or so ago, but would anyone be
interested in creating an FK role-playing game? We've already got an
outstanding premise, well-developed story characters (LC, NK, Nat, etc.),
and a setting. Also, it would be a way to have wars between Wars. If
anyone is interested, e-mail me. Danke schoen!
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
A Real Maan.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:58:05 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: I am so ashamed...
Yes, I know. I said I was gonna boycott That Thing (you know, the Spelling
Terror on Fox earlier). I hate to admit it... I watched five minutes!
AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Oh, god, it HURT. Bad acting, cheesy plot, full of "oh, I
am so wonderful, I am a vampyre, I am sooooo sexy you cannot resist me."
Retch. I WANT FOREVER KNIIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! I want Aaron
Spelling's head on a sharp stick. I want White Wolf to apologise for their
lapse in judgement. I want some mac&cheese to kill the pain. Luckily, I
missed most of the Abomination (pun, anyone?) due to class and a happy gem
show. I also made the mistake of watching the end. The piano solo was
good, the rest SUCKED (I'd get more blunt, but I don't wanna get kicked off
the list).
Oh, yeah.
ObFK: You know you've been on the list too long when you're looking through
the Merck Manual and suddenly wonder what it's gonna want in return.
Still in pain,
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
A Real Maan.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:50:34 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show...
>I have a suggestion to throw out. What do people think about
>discussing first season eps (and second season too) when they air
>on SFC?
I would really like to, assuming I can get this satellite dish thing
worked out.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:09:37 -0500
From: Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
In a message dated 96-04-02 15:52:47 EST, Sue wrote:
>>From someone who know - it only gets worse.
>>Here I am a CPA , in the middle of tax season, who is far behind because I
>spend to much time on FK.
Sue and I know each other at the chat - I am also a CPA, and equally if not
more obsessed, it's beginning to bother my husband. And I'm pretty new to
this list.
Beth
bkbva@a.......
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:30:50 EST
From: Sally Williams <scu11i@n.......>
Subject: Faction names
Hi all! While needing to get other stuff done last night, I discovered a
far more important need to invent names for factions. I sincerely hope
nobody has already done these and I read them and forgot and am now deluded
into thinking I came up with them. (You know, like that Partridge Family
episode where David Cassidy composes songs at night and Danny Bonaduce
hears them while he's sleeping and wakes up and writes it down and think he
wrote it? Uh oh. Um . . . re-runs, yeah, re-runs. That's where I saw
that. On Nick at Nite. Yeah, that's it. I was a *baby* when the
originals were on! Yeah, right.) Anyway, here they are:
Janette and Schanke:
*Don Perignon (This sounds awfully familiar . . . if it's
someone else's *please* let me know and I'll attribute correctly.
*SouvLakme=B4 (Never heard the piece myself, but I hear it's
very romantic and sensual, and I think the word "Lakme=B4" is pretty.)
LaCroix, Vachon and Nick: *Lavashnik
*Triple Threat (this sounds
familiar, too, unfortunately)
and . . . *The Three Caballeros (my
favorite)
Nick and Lacroix: *Blood Relations
*Eternally Yours
*Amo, Amas, Amat
*Flesh and Blood
*13th Century Gentlemen
(This was a hard one, and it was far too late in the night, resulting in
such atrocities like "the Long Arm of Lacroix" and "'Scuse me, while I
kiss LaCroix.")
But my favorites are *Radar Love
and -- ta daaa . . . *Rosebuds
Vachon and Lacroix: (risking the wrath of the Cousins) . . . *Lucky
Luciano =3D)
Oh well. I suppose I must be punished now. Bye! Sally
scu11i@nando.net
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:35:53 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Warm Fuzzies For The List?
I've been thinking...
(quick, everyone, run for cover!)
As you all know (or should), Warm Fuzzies (in the form of magnets) were
sent to the cast & crew in Toronto during the last days of filming.
There was also a "limited edition" of Warm Fuzzies Affiliation Pins that
went with me on the Toronto excursion to see Deb in 'Winter's Tale' in
February -- a bag of which went to the set.
I have pledged to do a batch of Warm Fuzzies for the SciFi Channel --
shortly; I do not have the resources to create Warm Fuzzies at this time,
which is why there won't be any at the Shrew excursion. {Sorry.}
However.
I was thinking about maybe doing a special run of "computer fuzzies" for
the list. Since computers are the one thing we all have in common. And
the Warm Fuzzies did start *here*...
What I need to know is this.
How many people would be willing to send $1.00 (cost of materials) plus a
self-addressed padded mailer (small-sized mailer, with maybe .52 in stamps
on it) in order to get a Warm Fuzzy of their very own?
I may or may not be able to actually do this; but I need to get an idea of
numbers before I actually volunteer to do this insane thing.
And yes, a decent-sized fuzzy costs about a buck to make. (Well, actually
it's something like ninety-two cents. I am NOT going to deal with
ninety-two cent money orders!) If I do this thing, it will not be a
profit-making venture in any way, shape or form. And if by some miracle I
end up with any scrap of money left over, it'll go to Pediatric Aids, I
promise. More likely, it'll come out as a loss.
So.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED:
Send ONE e-mail message... not to the list, NOT to this e-mail address, but
to the address below ONLY:
SpyderWebz@a.......
I'll tabulate the mail from people who are interested, figure out whether
or not I can do it, then get back to y'all with the results.
ONE FUZZY PER E-MAIL PER PERSON. Please.
I make no promises. I am merely considering. To Fuzzy or not to Fuzzy...
cast your votes.
:-)
--
Jamie M.R. -- Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
"I may do what I have done. I may smash the hollow rock
without breaking stride and splinter the glitter inside
all over a midnight street." -- L.F.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:55:51 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: People Poll
Carrie,
I had this prob too. I'm going to try again later.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:44:17 EST
From: Sally Williams <scu11i@n.......>
Subject: Nick and Vachon faction name
Whoops -- how could I forget this one?!
Nick and Vachon: *Dark N' Lovely
*Night and Day
(I'm almost positive someone else mentioned this one already, so please
tell me who you were:) *Hair Club for Men
Penitently, Sally =)
scu11i@nando.net
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:43:38 -0800
From: AKR <r@w.......>
Subject: The Future is on Sci-Fi
> >What do people think about discussing first season eps (and second
> >season too) when they air on SFC?
We're already discussing them; what would be different (except
ever-increasing hordes of newbies <g>)? Or are you proposing an official
system? It would NOT be a good idea to spoiler protect anything that
hasn't run on Sci-Fi.... And, of course, Sci-Fi is showing the pared down
US episodes that are missing important things, like Janette admitting
she's never brought anyone over. Uck. It's about time for another round
of letters, I think.
(I'm going home now, but I will *not* be watching you-know-what. <g>)
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r@w....... ***
Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique, Fourth Movement
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:53:42 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Faction names
Sally droned in half-sleeping stupor:
>(This was a hard one, and it was far too late in the night, resulting in
>such atrocities like "the Long Arm of Lacroix" and "'Scuse me, while I
>kiss LaCroix.")
I could live with either of those. Especially the second one...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
A Real Maan.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:16:23 EST
From: Maral Agnerian <102425.1537@c.......>
Subject: Re: Review of Spelling's Surprise! (puke)
Oh...my...G O D D E S S !!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I gave Aaron Spelling the benefit
of the doubt and decided to watch it. Let's just say that us FK fans are in no
danger whatsoever from this show taking over the Vampire fan base. It is the
worst piece of crap I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I mean pilots
are invariably bad but this takes the cake AND the entire bakery besides.
<sigh> where to begin? Well, firstly everyone looks like a model. Even the
Nosferatu! None of the clans look or act the way they're supposed to in the
RPG, not to mention that for some reason all the vampires seem to be able to
eat, smoke and have sex...plus the Nosferatu seem to be fixated with works of
art and spiffy clothes, a trait usually reserved for the Toreadors. Next
there's the...subtlety? what subtlety? I didn't see any...Everything is rammed
into your skull with a sledgehammer from the ominous music as yonder BLACK car
drives by, to the ever-present red roses that seem to spring up everywhere, to
the poor fleeing (vampiric but you couldn't tell) heroine in Virginal White.
Then we have the dialogue which is woodenly performed by really bad actors,
people who have obviously never heard of Vampire:the Masquerade in their lives,
much less READ it...they utter the "lingo" of clans and blood hunts and
Masquerades but clearly have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
Everything is explained, in detail, to us idiots who can't follow a plot without
help. And the casting people obviously wanted Antonio Banderas and Arnold
Schwarzenegger but couldn't afford them so we've got look-alikes! Yippee! Down
to the classic widow's peak. The only cliche they missed out on was "I vant to
suck your blood". And the best part is that the Ventrue Prince, "Julian Luna"
(ack gag barf) looks and acts far more like a Giovanni than anything else!
In conclusion, if I were to rate it from one to ten I'd have to go to fractions.
This is on its own, with no comparison made to FK whatsoever. The whole thing
is one long cliche and I was moaning in pain the whole way. I am now going to
spend the next couple of days trying to find something to tape over
this...thing.
What truly staggers the imagination is that White Wolf Games probably ALLOWED
this!!!!!!!!!
-- Ian Curtis
"Children of the Night...SHUT UP!!" -Love At First Bite
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:42:40 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: jiijioj
Hi guys,
I filled out the people poll on my mom's machine. I was allowed to
submit it this time. I don't know what the prob was before. It said that I
was alone in my opinion of GWD. The good news, though, is that David
Duchovny and Gillian Anderson are #1 and #2. I just wish that they had
separate categories for men and women instead of making us lump them all
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:28:02 -0700
From: Lisa Marvin <wyllow@n.......>
Subject: Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!
God that was mean!
Where cancellation of FK is concerned, I have no sense of humor.
Wyllow
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:06:34 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Screed (was Re: Continuity, etc)
Amy writes:
>apparently it (BB) invalidates the thory of carouches as masterless.
Well...maybe not. In Bad Blood, LC attacks the mortal Jack the
Ripper and Jack's blood is so bad or evil that it makes LC sick, so
sick that he even gets Janette to help him (he wants her to go get
him fresh blood after apparently sending her to fetch Nick). LC
asks Nick to go and make sure that the barber is dead and has not
been brought across. Nick doesn't want to (he tells LC he's leaving
for America the next day), but Nick *does* go and find the man lying
in the street (or alley). But Nick doesn't do anything and leaves.
As soon as he leaves, Jack opens up his eyes.
Jack, now, was probably already disturbed when he was brought over,
but in present-day Toronto he commits some brutal murders (rips
people apart like an animal). Since LC was sick and wanted Nick to
go make sure Jack wasn't made a vampire, I doubt sincerely whether
Jack got any sort of "training" as a vampire.
Vachon, too, doesn't seem to be the sort to want to be a "strict"
parent like LC. Jack was masterless, I think, and I suspect Vachon
would have been "loose" with his children too.
>Carouches as "mistakes"? Well, what about Nick's mistakes as master?
>What about the theory about LC not having taught N & J how to bring
>them across properlly? :)
Well, none of Nick's children went for animal blood, I don't think.
Nick gave Richard cow blood, but he later murdered some people.
Nick's "mistakes" may have something to do with not keeping a close
watch on his children or maybe he just happened to bring across the
wrong people for the wrong reasons. One of Nick's children *has*
survived and apparently done okay (Serena in second season's Crazy
Love--oops, Baby, Baby).
The theory about LC not having taught N & J how to bring people
across properly might not have any effect on how N & J behave as
vampires. I would suspect LC just wouldn't have wanted them to be
increasing the family without his say so. Whatever other guidance
LC has given them has apparently made them standard vampires, not
carouches.
Being a carouche may be more of a "social stigma" amongst vampires.
Maybe most vampires just find the whole idea of a vampire that
feeds on animals and especially *vermin* disgusting in a vampire
that does so on a regular basis.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
"Like the coldest winter chill: heaven beside you, hell within."
--"Heaven Beside You" by Alice in Chains
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:19:30 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Hand? Blue Meanies Ownership & War.
>ObFK (ooh, um, er, well..) There's a cast we've not done...let's see:
>Nick as Gomez, Janette as Morticia (same fashion sense), La Croix as
>Unlce Fester??? (I'd better stop now!)
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Uncle can't be Uncle Fester! Uncle Fester is bald and
blobulous and wears dresses. Uncle is... <pantpantpantpantdrooooooooool>.
We'd have to completely alter Fester!
Although I have the wonderful image of Tracy as Wednesday now...
The Non-Celluloid Wednesday Counterpart,
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
A Real Maan.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:24:50 -0500
From: Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: Shirts, jackets, etc...
I have had a request for a child-size shirt, which I will consider, however,
in order to cover the time it will take to make a new pattern, I need to know
if there is anybody else interested in any item of a child's size. I need at
least 2 more people to cover it. The price is the same as the adults for
shirts...
I also need to know who it was that requested a copy of my pattern, your
message was never forwarded to me.
ATTN: all special orders need to be sent to me, as I am the decision maker,
most items are possible...
Kira--Vaquera/Merc
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:29:11 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Kindling: The Disgraced
Yes, yes, yes, I know. I've already ranted about that lump of festering
bloody pus on film not fit for FK to vomit on, but I'm still ANGRY. My mom
was telling me (again) about how much the American work ethic has fallen.
In this case, I wholeheartedly agree. Canada is the one with taste. Okay,
the reason I got here.
We've been calling it The Other Show. This needs to be changed, as it's
not, well, insulting enough. Kindling: The Disgraced, anyone? Brings to
mind lovely pictures of that Mafia-wanna-be-pseudo-Fang-Gang-bang turning
slowly on a spit in the Bahamas, our beloved FK flock sitting around with
SPF 30,000,000 sunscreen and sunglasses, watching them crackle in the sun.
Ya see? I TOLD you it was gonna suck, and not in a good way. Let's take
their Prince, tie him to the hood of the Caddy, and go muddin'...
Done ranting for the moment,
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
A Real Maan.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:22:43 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: LIST RULES: The Poem!
>From the mind that brought you Snugglin' Fuzzies:
LIST RULES: The Poem!
----------------------------------------
To all our new listmembers: Welcome, we love you!
There's only one favor we'll be asking of you --
We do have List Rules here that you ought to know...
You can find 'em all linked from the web page below.
<http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FK.html>
But just in case this is too much to recall,
Here's a quick scan of some rules (but not all!)
Five lines for sig space and four lines for quoting
leaves lots of room for the listfolks' emoting
No spoilers here; only fiction goes there
And no major cursing allowed anywhere!
Posts titled "LIST RULES" (though you may not need 'em)
Should be at least glanced at before you delete 'em
But posts marked "ADMIN" are from She Who Is Leader
and always are vital to every listreader.
There will be no flaming, there will be no fussing
No blaming, no shaming, no feuding, no cussing
Within these mild limits, you may frolic gaily
Got any questions? Feel free to e-mail me.
--
Jamie M.R. -- Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
"I may do what I have done. I may smash the hollow rock
without breaking stride and splinter the glitter inside
all over a midnight street." -- L.F.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:43:28 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Carouches and Nick
Carrie400@a....... write:
>>I suppose this could be analogous to chocolates. The difference
>>between a box of Godiva chocolates versus a bag of Hershy's Kisses.
>>
>>
>I guess that makes me a carouche then. I'd much rather have the Herseys
>Kisses.
I didn't say it! I only offered the analogy. I didn't say which was
which...
But now that the analogy of blood to choclates is out...
How about a listing/table of chocolates to blood-species.
I'm not really a chocolate connieseur... but here is a list
Godiva???....... Human (I suppose this could vary from person to person)
Hersey's Kiss... Cow
Mounds.......... Dog
Ex-Laxx......... Rat
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:20:42 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: The Future is on Sci-Fi
>> >What do people think about discussing first season eps (and second
>> >season too) when they air on SFC?
> It would NOT be a good idea to spoiler protect anything that
>hasn't run on Sci-Fi.
Since the Spoiler list will no longer exist after the last ep, is there a
possibility of a list to discuss the eps when they air on SFC, separate from
the FORKNI-L list?
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:38:47 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: The Future is on Sci-Fi
Amy writes:
>We're already discussing them (prior seasons eps); what would be
>different? Or are you proposing an official system?
I just thought it would be neat to discuss the episodes as they air.
The Monday they show Dark Knight, anyone that wants to make comments
about it after its airing makes comments about it. That's all. I
know I joined this list after having seen most all of first season
and I thought it would be neat to see some discussion of these eps
as they air.
That doesn't mean that other discussion related to things in any
other aired episodes couldn't or wouldn't be going on.
I'm not even sure the first two seasons would need to be discussed
on the spoiler list. Until now, the policy has been that they
could be discussed here.
But, you know folks, when FK moves to SFC, there *will* be new fans
coming on board. And there are probably fans already on the list
who haven't seen all the first and second season episodes that at
least some of the telecasts will be new to.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
"Like the coldest winter chill: heaven beside you, hell within."
--"Heaven Beside You" by Alice in Chains
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:41:31 -0500
From: Karen Parker <HorCgal@a.......>
Subject: Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!
ok. this may sound strange,and dont take it personal, but.....who are you?
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:49:29 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Review of Spelling's Surprise! (puke)
>In conclusion, if I were to rate it from one to ten I'd have to go to
fractions.
That high? I'd've at least gone into negatives, and I only saw about five
minutes of it!
>What truly staggers the imagination is that White Wolf Games probably ALLOWED
>this!!!!!!!!!
Ya have to wonder what Spelling did. Oh, great, now the ol' sick brain is
kicking in. Can you say, whammy, children?
Actually, at a con I was at in November there were a bunch of guys from WW
who told us ALLLLL about the show, or so we thought. I knew they were
taking out my favorite clan (Malkies) and the Tremere, but they also said it
was a decent show. I'm wondering now if Spelling didn't send three
life-sized dummies to that panel, or if a different "pilot" was made. I
recall it being either one or two hours from that, not halves.
This is frustrating. I'm gonna go read fangfic now and try to cheer up. I
want my Uncle!!!!
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
A Real Maan.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
I wanted a steak, not a STAKE.
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:01:08 CST
From: L'Phantom <jrarmstr@p.......>
Subject: Re: Review of Kindred (on-topic... bear with me)
At the risk of being staked as a heretic, I would like to say the following:
I actually *liked* Kindred. Note I say *liked*. I *LOVE* FK, but I *liked*
Kindred.
Admitting that the clans seemed to all have the same powers, which is canon
for FK, but not for V:tM, and that the symbolism in Kindred was far more
obvious and strained than FK, I still think of vampires as being dark,
sensual beings, and Kindred expressed that quite well, I think.
This is something I have missed in FK of late, about the time that Janette
vanished from the scene. Janette was a sensual creature through and through,
yet lurking behind that sensuality lurked a Beast just out of reach. I fell
in love with that from the first episode I saw. Kindred has given this back
to me in the form of the Toreador Primogen; this woman is deliciously evil as
only LaCroix could pull off. She needs *lessons* from LaCroix, I will admit,
but she's well on her way to being quite wonderfully wicked in her own right.
My view is that K:tE and FK should not be held to the same standards of
judgement. FK is (and I'll get disagreed with for saying this) a lone
vampire struggling to overcome adversity and reach his ultimate goal of
salvation. K:tE is about vampires doing what they do best: being vampires.
There is no human standard of morality imposed on the vampires of the
SF Camarilla like Nick has imposed on himself. There is no "repaying society
for his sins" in K:tE. For those of you who watch FK for that struggle for
redemption, K:tE is not for you, you are correct. For those of you that watch
FK because of a fascination with vampires, as I do, I would urge you to give
K:tE a(nother) chance. To me, this is what vampires *are*.
The show isn't perfect by far. There are several things I have problems with
(Ventrue with Protean?!) but I still think it was a good show that, if viewed
objectively, without comparision to FK, could be entertaining. I would never
renounce FK for Kindred EVER!!! I like them both, but I like them both for
very different reasons.
Stake away... the sun rises soon.
Straying from your mind into your left shoulder, just coz I can,
The "New and Improved" L'Phantom
Now a Cousin in full standing!
http://bsc.edu/~jrarmstr/
Help Save Forever Knight! Ask me how! jrarmstr@b.......
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:03:42 -0800
From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: YNYBW....my Mum & Calla Lilies
YNYBWTMFK....My Mum is *evil* ( in a Cousinly way!) First she buys
Oatmeal Crisp cereal and places it in the cupboard, so I all unknowing,
will pull it out at 6am and ruin my day by making me laugh before 10am.
She of course protests her innocence. Then, this morning, I leave for
work and right outside the door is...Calla Lilies!! I call her at work
to find out what the heck she's doing, but before I can ask she says
"You sound so Perky this morning!" PERKY! ackkk! if that is'nt enough
to ruin a Cousinly sort of persons day. She of course again denies that
she did any of this on purpose. My fault I guess, I was the one who
brought her across. *sigh*
BTW, Calla Lilies have hardly any scent at all, and what they do have is
not that pleasant.
Denise, The Cousinly (and NOT in any way Perky!) Ravenette
ithildin@m.......
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