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Digest - 23 Apr 1996 - Special issue
Tue, 23 Apr 1996
There are 24 messages totalling 1000 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. YKYBRT (2)
2. Lacroix bandwagon (long) (2)
3. YKYBLTTFKCDTMW...
4. Assorted threads and Questions (3)
5. The CD (2)
6. Sponsors!!
7. New Episodes?? (2)
8. Did GWD kill it??
9. Living with LaCroix
10. 1st season - never mind
11. Favorite FK songs
12. Blast from the Past...
13. 1st season list?
14. Spoiler Protection and Spoiler Spaces
15. A spoiler question and about LC
16. Chats & Shrewthering
17. Jon Cassar and AOL Chat
18. More Encouraging Words
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:45:34 EDT
From: Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: YKYBRT
etc...
when, in a fashion magazine, it displays a woman dressed in black laying
on the ground like she's dead and you wonder if the sun killed her.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:05:34 -0600
From: "Scott, Victoria D." <vscott@s.......>
Subject: Lacroix bandwagon (long)
I hope this thread has not completely died. I am in digest land. I did not
realize there were so many interpretations of Lacroix' actions. I will be
using words such as "domination", "master" and "slave". No sexual activity
is implied.
My take on Lacroix.
I have always seen Lacroix as a man of power. One does desire the Emperors
seat without desiring the power that goes with it. Lacroix (to me) was a
leader, man of power, a master. I can see him having devoted troops with
many of them willing to die at his command. Lacroix enjoys his power and
has learned to use it over the years. As far as a vamp masters go. In the
FK world, I did not think that the one who does the bringing over is
automatically the master. The show hints at it but never nails anything
down. I saw Lacroix as the master of Nick and Jeanette because he made
himself the master. He has invested much time and effort on them. Losing
them would be an annoyance as well as a personal failure.
Lacroix and Jeanette.
I believe that someone mentioned that Jeanette was nothing more than a slave
to her father and later her husband and 'pimp' (don't know the 12century
equivalent). True. Lacroix may have observed her for a long time possibly
'rented' her for an evening. I think he saw in her anger over her powerless
situations. This anger could be honed and used to create a new master.
Keep the position of women in that society in mind. Sometimes slaves make
the best masters. "Wrapped Around Your Finger" (Police) line "When you find
your servant is your master". I could go into the whole psychology of the
thing but, I think everyone gets the major point. He would still be her
master but, he could watch her flourish with her new found power.
Lacroix and Nick.
I did not see Lacroix' 'evil deeds' done from fear of losing but, more out
of a show of his power and control. His physical power as well as his
power over Nick. It seems as if he is still trying to 'break' him.
I think I have prattled on long enough.
More later.
Victoria
vscott@s.......
A little brunette goes a long way.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:24:46 -0500
From: "fa;kl lks" <egersdor@m.......>
Subject: YKYBLTTFKCDTMW...
You know you've been listening to the Forever Knight CD too much when...
It plays in your head all night at work and then it's the first thing that
plays in your mind the minute you wake up in the afternoon. Not just the
vocals either. This has happened to me two days in a row. Honestly I don't
listen to it all the time.
I to wish there was more of NB monologues or at least the ones that are
there were longer.
Robbi
Knightie With Dark Tendencies
Loving the FK CD
egersdor@m.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:16:02 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Assorted threads and Questions
>> 3. Episodes still in Spoiler protection-- post ONLY to FKSPOILR, not this
list:
>> Not yet seen, MUST have spoiler space on FKSPOILR:
>> Jane Doe (Showing this week in syndication) (I am not going to get to see
>> it until next Sunday/Monday (Midnight) :-( )
>Not quite right. The rules are that as soon as a new show has gone out ON
>THE SATELLITE FEED we can discuss it without spoiler space. Since Jane
>Doe came off the sat Monday morning it can now be discussed like any
>other of the earlier spoiler episodes (on the spoiler list, of course). And
>before you ask, I did indeed inquire of the listowner some months back
>about this and this is official.
What? This can't be right. Discussions are permitted without spoiler space
after the show has gone out on satellite feed? I have a strong hunch that
most people here don't have satellite dishes. But anyhow, those episodes
on the spoiler list have always had the spoiler space protection. Somebody
is confused here.
I slipped up on Human Factor (it was a minor slip up) and I was told by
a list-admin (I think she is the second in command) that spoilers protection
apply until the SECOND showing. My slip up was thinking one week after an
episode has aired is sufficient to go off of spoiler protection.
IMOH that is a bit excessive, but I'm willing to follow the rules, but
to make a claim that spoilers spaces don't apply after it shown on a
satellite feed is just a step away from viewing it off as it leaves the
production studio.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:48:32 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Assorted threads and Questions
>The rules are that as soon as a new show has gone out ON
>THE SATELLITE FEED we can discuss it without spoiler space. Since Jane
>Doe came off the sat Monday morning it can now be discussed like any
>other of the earlier spoiler episodes (on the spoiler list, of course).
For the sake of those of us who won't get to see the new eps until late in
the week, I hope people will remember to put the name of the episode in
the subject header. I know everyone usually does. Just a reminder.
Thanks!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:18:46 -0500
From: patrick kortner aiex <paiex@i.......>
Subject: The CD
Gang:
I cannot express eloquently enough my praise for Fred and the truly
phenomenal work he has done in creating the soundtrack CD.
It took a while to get to me, but it was well worth the wait. The
music is great. Simply great. Lori Yates' vocals on her songs are wonderful.
This is now the pride and joy of my collection, and that's saying
something. I have over 130+ CDs, many of them multiple-disc sets. The FK CD
*will not* leave the house. If my friends ask me for it, I'll be happy to
make them a copy on-site in my condo. But it stays there. I will not risk
anything happening to this; it means that much to me.
The Nightcrawler bits are perfect. My hat is off to Nigel for
writing the material, and doing it so well. Ger shows that he could have
made a name for himself playing piano professionally. I also would like
to add a hearty "Yes!" to the person who suggested a CD of all-Ger piano
stuff. Hearing him play "Moonlight Sonata" would be great.
The CD is also seeing a lot of use for writing FK fic and JADFE
fic. The rough drafts of parts 3 and 4 of "Homecoming" were written while
listening to the disc, and I think it's helped me to capture more of the
FK mood. I'm especially enamored of the piece -- I think it's called --
"Nat cries". It's in one of the suites to an episode.
Once again, I heartily encourage everyone involved with producing
the CD to take a well-deserved bow. You've earned it in spades.
Pat -- Lone Nanette, B-Negative FoD,
Web Page Designer-In-Training
*** Set CD for Nightcrawler Bits in sequence. Repeat. ***
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:24:01 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: Sponsors!!
On 23 Apr 96 at 11:41, Allison Percy wrote:
> So here's a list of the sponsors ...of the 8pm EDT showing of FK on the
> Sci-Fi channel. I'm cc'ing Karen Tobin so that hopefully addresses for
> these sponsors will eventually make their way onto the sponsor address
> list (linked to the Save Forever Knight page).
Yes, I will do this when I get back form Toronto!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t......., http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:04:57 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: New Episodes??
Alright - I need to let off some steam.
First, I'm very upset over the fact my cable company (Continental
Cablevision) refuses to have the Sci-Fi Channel as part of its programming.
God knows I have called them enough to let them know that they should add
it. Though I was somewhat grateful that the woman I spoke to did say that
she would pass it along to the proper people (she was actually writing it
down).
Second, I've noticed that USA :-( has stopped airing FK, but the FOX network
:-) is still showing reruns. Is FOX going to show the new episodes, or are
they only going to show it on the SF Channel?
Third, I've noticed from some previous posts people talking about an episode
called "Games Vampires Play". Was this one of the new episodes or have I
completely lost my mind and somehow missed this episode.
Fourth - don't worry, I'm getting there - has anyone heard if there are going
to be videos of the show or is TriStar or whoever still not selling the
rights. I haven't seen any of the first season and only the second half of
the second season.
Fifth. Just kidding :-) I think that's it for now.
Hope to hear from someone soon.
Lisa
P.S. I lied. There is a fifth. Having listened to the FK CD over and over,
I was wondering if there is a kind soul out there who could tell me the
lyrics of the songs sung by Lori Yates. I think my brain is rebelling
against me and is not allowing me to understand all the words. Someone can
privately e-mail me for this question if it's going to take up too much space
on the list.
LadysAVamp@a.......
I think I'm really thru this time.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:47:12 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: Did GWD kill it??
In a message dated 96-04-23 01:46:43 EDT, you write:
>Hubby says GWD didn't want to continue, that he can tell by the way
>he's said things in interviews in the past.
>
>Can anyone verify/disprove this for me? It'll settle this two-week
>vicious arguement...
I was with your hubby.........ah......I mean, I agreed with his interps
of Ger's interviews, until I read the log from the Prodigy Chat.
He sounded much more agreeable under the right circumstances.
The log can be downloaded from
Pecky Allison Percy's web page at:
http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/obsess.html
or from Mr Happy at:
http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy
Gehirn Karies
SoulDebris@a.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:52:58 -0400
From: Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject: Living with LaCroix
Ok, I just had to delurk for a moment here. First, let me say that I don't
usually don't post things like this, because I am usually so humbled by
everyone else's insight. But, I have read with interest all of the various
comments about how and why LaCroix is like he is, and I have to disagree that
he behavior is defendable. (Warning, this is kind of long.)
The very first episode of FK I ever watched was BMV--and I had no idea what
the show was about other than some sort of "vampire/cop." (I was totally
ready to laugh it off--now look at me!<VBG>) I do admit to having
preconceived notions about vampires being evil (though I have to admit the
discussions on this list have broadened my horizons), and I thought then and
still do, that Nick is right in his search for redemption (heck, even Janette
admitted this much). Well, my first impression of LaCroix was - "geez he's
one mean SOB" and I haven't changed my mind much since then. After my
initial exposure, I was treated to the entire 1st season and the second
season episodes I'd missed, via Cousin Laura (for which I am eternally in her
debt!). Even after the extensive FK filmfest, I still maintained that
LaCroix is not a nice being. He's self centered, manipulative, selfish and
cruel. I don't believe he was in love with Fleur--she was just one more
being he could control (and taking her would be one more way he could annoy
Nick). I don't believe LaCroix remembers what love is--or if he ever
experienced true love while he was a mortal. In the Divia flashback, he's
hanging out at a brothel--I don't know, but I doubt anyone would find true
love there and he doesn't seem to have had such a relationship with his own
father that would have lent itself to any sort of parental love.
I accept that the fear of being along is what motivates LaCroix--after 2000
years, he still doesn't have anyone he can call a friend--it appears that he
hasn't established any other permanent relationships other than his ties to
Nick and Janette--that's scary. (Could he be just a little envious of Nick's
mortal associations?) Perhaps he likes the idea of loving Nick, but is
either incapable or afraid of feeling the emotion. I think he still
considers Nick a possession--sort of the way the men of his (mortal) time
viewed women--something nice to have around, but let's don't take them
seriously. I have never seen him show any respect for Nick's thoughts or
feelings.
Which brings me, in a round about way, to Nick and Janette's inability to
successfully bring anyone else across. While their natural instincts as
vampires may enable them to perform the act, they have no klew (sorry,
couldn't resist) about what to do with their fledglings. LaCroix never
bothered to show them how to do it correctly. Why should he? If Nick or
Janette succeeded in controlling those they bring over it would only
jeopardize their familial relationship with LaCroix. They would not be his,
exclusively.
Which is not to say, I don't like LaC. He is the perfect antagonist to
Nick's protagonist. And Nigel does a splendid job of acting the part. I
like the third season LaCroix--it seems as if, after 800 years, he's finally
decided that the best way to Nick's heart is, well, through his heart.
Finally, I've always wondered why "they" would name Nick's nemesis "LaCroix"
(the cross). Could it be that LaCroix is Nick's "cross to bear?"
Okay, I'm off of my soapbox. No flames, please, Cousins...I still respect
everyone else's opinions!
Bobbie, Lady of the Knight and self-professed Cyberknight
"Out of the spirit, into the flesh/The animal heartbeat in the chest
The naked desire/The appetite/But you remember the light"
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:51:30 -0400
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: 1st season - never mind
Never mind, I finally found my list. Under "flashbacks" of all
things. Well, I suppose it fits... I've been doing a lot of
flashback-thinking reading the old posts.
Nightmist@g....... Too lazy to use my normal .sig
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:53:06 -0400
From: Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject: Favorite FK songs
(Oh my god, two postings in one day!) Just thought it would be interesting
to list our top five or so songs, that remind us of FK and/or FK characters.
(Admit it, we all do this!) At the risk of making an idiot of myself (which
actually wouldn't take much effort),
I'll bite the bullet and start this:
1. Now I Lay Me Down (see my sig)-October Project- The perfect Nick song
2. Paths of Desire - October Project - The perfect Natalie song
3. The Old Ways - Loreena McKennitt - The atmosphere of this song just
reminds me of Forever Knight.
4. This is Love - Mary Chapin Carpenter - A Nick and Natpacker song
5. Deep as You Go - October Project (can you tell I like this group?) - A
song for all of the Immortal Beloveds out there.
Still looking for the perfect LaCroix song--but then again, maybe LaCroix
wouldn't want his own song??
Bobbie, Lady of the Knight and self-professed Cyberknight
"Out of the spirit, into the flesh/The animal heartbeat in the chest
The naked desire/The appetite/But you remember the light"
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:53:23 -0400
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Blast from the Past...
My gawd, I *have* been on the list that long... I'm going through old
files (yes, I'm an e-packrat too!) and realizing how old some of them
are that I've saved from the list. 1993? Definitely 1994...
Anyway, presented here for your viewing pleasure and laughter, here
is....
THE FOREVER KNIGHT DRINKING GAME!!!
(covers 1st season and some of 2nd season)
From: TMP_HARKINS@d.......
The Revised Forever Knight Drinking Game
by: Amy Hull, Lisa McDavid, Ren Gibson, Rusty Lloyd, Paula Sanders,
Rebecca Channon, Sharon Scott, Deborah Bender, Barb Reid, and one
other person whose name I forgot to print.
[Amy's note: I based this very heavily on Tara O'Shea's Highlander
drinking game (Thanks, Tara, for the model and the idea). My one
disclaimer is as follows: I don't drink and have therefore thought up
several alternate (and less coma-inducing) ways to play. Anyway, some
of the ideas we've come up with have been: red hots, sweet tarts,
Hershey's kisses, M&Ms (with or without peanuts or almonds), sips of
cranberry-grape juice (which is what I swear they use for the blood on
the show--the color and consistency are just right . . .), or even
(if in the appropriate company) put on lots of clothes and jewelry and
play it like strip poker. Anyway, that was just my contribution to
making this a less hazardous but still fun event. :-) Enjoy, and
everyone drive safely!]
[Rearranged by Nightmist@g....... for neatness/drink quantity order]
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1 DRINK EVENT
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Janette spouts French (aloud or under her breath)
LaCroix thwarts Nick's attempt at a cure
LaCroix displays contempt for mortals
Natalie makes a mortician joke
Natalie is wearing something in a size FAR too big
Natalie uses objects in her morgue for purposes for which
they were not originally intended (remains of birthday
cake in the infectious waste bin, serving lunch with a
scalpel, etc.)
Nick catches a baddie by using his vampiric abilities
Nick gets shot full of holes and nobody notices
Nick goes to the Raven to ask Janette for help
Nick has the scruffy beard
Nick kisses Janette
Nick's driving his Caddy
Nick tries to hypnotizes someone but it doesn't work
Nick flies
Nick has fallen asleep with a bottle of blood
Nick opens a bottle of blood with his teeth and spits out
the cork
Nick is painting
Nick attempts to eat food
Nick gets shot
Nick protests the handling of a case
Nick goes out on a raid without wearing protective gear
Nick breaks and enters to obtain evidence
Nick crashes through a plate glass window
Schanke mispronounces Janette's name
Schanke comments on or asks about Nick and food
Schanke mentions Myra
Schanke oggles a woman
Schanke goes out on a raid without wearing protective gear
Schanke's hush-puppied foot is shown on a car's brake pedal
Schanke makes someone on the show annoyed because of his
lack of tact
Schanke mentions souvlaki for any reason
Stonetree throws a tantrum
Stonetree broods
Stonetree gets shot
<--->
You hear GWD's welsh accent slipping through (per word)
A flashback begins or ends
Dream sequence (in place of flashback) begins or ends
A mortal finds out that Nick is a vampire
A female guest dresses in skimpy clothing
A photograph of Nick is shown
Someone whips out a cross and is thrown across the room,
regardless of the fact the person's holding a cross
There is a blond female guest star (*must* be a speaking
part)
They use the cheezy yellow glowing eyes effect (yellow
flashlight with two pieces of cardboard covering top
and bottom shined onto yellow contact lenses)
Someone opens Nicks' refrigerator and makes a comment
regarding the lack of food
Vampires wearing evening clothes
Vampires wearing uniforms
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2 DRINKS EVENT
======================================================================
Natalie is threatend by someone
Nick calls Schanke by his *full* last name
Nick grabs a woman quickly by the wrist
Nick is burned by a cross
Nick kisses anyone BUT Natalie
Nick goes to the morgue to talk to Nat about something he
could have easily called about
Nick is up during the day
Nick is burned by sunlight
Nick gets shot full of holes and SOMEone notices
Nick hypnotizes someone
Nick wakes up suddenly
Nick breaks a bottle of blood because he's fed up
Nick and Janette `play tonsil hockey' someplace other than
The Raven
Nick actually eats solid food AND keeps it down
Nick crashes through a plate glass window, wearing a
trenchcoat, regardless of whether or not he's wearing a
trenchcoat in the next scene
Nick hears someone's heart beating
Nick or Schanke perform mundane work that would be done by
unformed officers in any normal department
Nick fiddles with his motorcycle
Nick speaks some other language
Nick makes a comment that refers to his age or vampirism but
most of the folks around miss the underlying meaning
Nick is shown feeding off or killing a mortal
Nick is shown in a flashback with long hair
Schanke goes to the Raven
Schanke almost gets bitten at the Raven
Schanke is wearing a frightening tie
Schanke has the perfect opportunity to discover that Nick
(or someone else) is a vampire, but misses it because
he's thick
Schanke has the perfect opportunity to discover the vampires
but someone intervenes
Schanke mentions Jenny
Stonetree wears a hat
<--->
A vampire (other than Nick, LaCroix or Janette) is burned by
sunlight
A vampire (other than Nick, LaCroix or Janette) is burned by
a cross
Fred Mollin's punk music is playing somewhere OTHER than
The Raven
This episode features vampire(s) other than Nick, LaCroix
or Janette
Some woman falls for Nick during the course of the episode
Someone makes reference to media vampires (such as Bela
Lugosi, etc.)
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3 DRINKS EVENT
======================================================================
Janette is not wearing her trademark choker
Natalie wears her hair down
Nick plays his piano
Nick was actually sleeping in his bed and wearing pajamas
Nick eats solid food, keeps it down AND it was covered in
ketchup
Nick's reflection is seen
"Nick-vision" is used (red-rimmed scene)
Nick gets shot full of holes, someone notices, and he has to
hypnotize them into forgetting
Schanke oggles a woman AND she returns his interest
Stonetree smiles
<--->
Someone sees Nick flying
1st season reruns: CBS airs "Dead Issue", "Dead Air" or
"Unreality TV" yet again
Schanke's hush-puppied foot is shown on a car's brake pedal
- and they try to make us think it's Nick's
A flashback sequence *isn't* Nick's
A vampire is staked
This episode's flashback features *both* LaCroix AND Janette
======================================================================
4 DRINKS EVENT
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Nick almost finds a cure but his attempt is thwarted - by
someone OTHER than LaCroix
Nick kisses Natalie
Nick's hiding in the trunk of his Caddy
Nick calls Natalie by her *full* first name
<--->
Someone calls Schanke by his real first name (Don)
You hear Fred Mollin's *one* easy listening song playing
ANYWHERE
1st season reruns: CBS airs "Dead Issue", "Dead Air" or
"Unreality TV" yet again - after you have told someone
they just *have* to see FK because it's positively
brilliant
======================================================================
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5 We see Nick flying (5 drinks as consolation for effects)
5 Vampires in drag
5 Judge throws out Crown's case because of police misconduct
10 Feminists picket precinct house for failure to hire and
promote women cops
10 Stonetree actually figures out that Nick's a vampire (and
says so)
10 Nick actually rides his motorcycle
10 Nick shows off a closet full of shot-up clothes
10 Schake notices that there's a hole in the wall behind Nick
and Nick's still standing
25 Stonetree turns out to BE a vampire
Lose 3 LaCroix kisses anyone except Nick
drink
turns
Lose all LaCroix kisses Nick
drink
turns
Fat Local affiliates protest the number of commercials and in
Chance! a fit of rage restore the footage cut from the Canadian
length episodes. (1st season only)
#####################################################################
Nightmist@g.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:57:08 -0400
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: 1st season list?
Does anyone have a complete list - in order - of 1st season episodes?
If so, can I get a copy zapped to me?
And please remind me, which one had the popcorn scene in it????
BTW, I'm bringing mom-in-law across. <evil smirk> I think she'll fall
on the older end of the scale...approaching 60, I think. She's seen
DoN last night, and I've happily and proudly handed her a bunch of my
tapes to watch. Beginning with the 1st season 1st ep, some other 1st
season eps, and a few others from this season - at least to start
with. <grin> I've got Fever, Games Vampires Play, and Human Factor
all on one tape, so that's a three-pack of excellent eps right
there... <grin>
Hubby read this over the phone to me. I know it's not FK, but it's
funny as....well, let's just say it's funny and he pulled it out of
Playboy... <snicker> (No, I don't know which issue, sorry.)
Lord Urskine (sp?) of Rarick (sp?) donated his body to
science, or at least most of it. In his will, he made the
following stipulation: "To the Royal Bank of Scotland, I
leave my balls, as they appear to have none of their own..."
Nightmist@g.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:07:46 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Spoiler Protection and Spoiler Spaces
At 01:16 PM 4/23/96 -0800, John Soo-Hoo wrote:
>What? This can't be right. Discussions are permitted without spoiler space
>after the show has gone out on satellite feed? I have a strong hunch that
>most people here don't have satellite dishes. But anyhow, those episodes
>on the spoiler list have always had the spoiler space protection. Somebody
As far as I know, discussions are permitted on the SPOILER list without
spoiler space after the show has gone out on satellite fee. Discussions of
episodes that have not yet gone out on satellite are permitted on the
SPOILER list with spoiler spaces.
Episodes cannot be discussed on FORKNI-L with or without spoiler spaces
until they have been repeated in syndication.
Jane (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:09:07 -0400
From: Val Wirth <VALWORTH@a.......>
Subject: Re: A spoiler question and about LC
In a message dated 96-04-23 00:25:37 EDT, Karen writes:
>Natalie (who I wont ask why is also called Natasha) just totally refuses to
>beleive in Ghosts.....and she tells this to a "vampire"
>Is it me or does that seem weird????
I have had this problem with Natalie before. In "Black Buddha" she refuses
to believe in the supernatural power of a cursed object, yet here she is
essentially going steady with an 800 year old guy.
I think she is suffering from what I like to call "Scully's Disease." The
symptoms consist of refusing to acknowledge anything supernatural or
other-worldly, no matter how many times you have come across indisputable
proof. Other symptoms include feelings of intense attraction to co-workers,
refusing to wear anything but too big, ill-fitting coats, and in general,
having no fashion sense whatsoever. And what perhaps is the most disturbing
element of the disease is the patient's almost complete lack of any sign of a
social life.
If you think you or someone you love might be suffering from this dreaded
condition, please get help before it's too late. But Please, seek
professional help. Any attempt to treat yourself - such as going out with
the first man you bump into on the street - can only lead to disaster.
Val
Who is married to the older, more-bloated, Vegas-Style Vachon.
valworth@a.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:29:45 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBRT
>etc...
>when, in a fashion magazine, it displays a woman dressed in black laying
>on the ground like she's dead and you wonder if the sun killed her.
Just ask yourself this question NEXT time:
Was she "smoking"?
John
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:29:35 -0700
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject: Re: Assorted threads and Questions
John worries <g>:
> What? This can't be right. Discussions are permitted without spoiler space
> after the show has gone out on satellite feed? I have a strong hunch that
> most people here don't have satellite dishes. But anyhow, those episodes
> on the spoiler list have always had the spoiler space protection. Somebody
> is confused here.
Nope. The last four eps have had spoiler *space* because of their odd
situation (a long delay, much speculation, and heightened concern and
sensitivity over those eps.) Once they're shown (and yes, on satellite
feed) they are regular FKSPOILR material-- i.e. they need to stay on
the spoiler list (and that includes no quotes in your .sig on posts
anywhere else!) and have the ep name (and no actual spoiler info) in
the subject line.
> I slipped up on Human Factor (it was a minor slip up) and I was told by
> a list-admin (I think she is the second in command) that spoilers protection
> apply until the SECOND showing. My slip up was thinking one week after an
> episode has aired is sufficient to go off of spoiler protection.
No, here's the difference between spoiler _protection_ (being on the
FKSPOILR list) and spoiler _space_ (extra linefeeds for added protection).
What you've said above is indeed the rule about keeping ep discussion
on the spoiler list. But once they've shown once, the extra, special-case
spoiler _linefeeds_ can cease.
Does that help clear things up?
Dianne
(madly avoiding real work... what else? ;-)
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:41:30 -0700
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject: Re: The CD
Pat the Lone Nanette writes:
> This is now the pride and joy of my collection, and that's saying
> something. I have over 130+ CDs, many of them multiple-disc sets. The FK CD
> *will not* leave the house. If my friends ask me for it, I'll be happy to
> make them a copy on-site in my condo. But it stays there. I will not risk
Perhaps a better way to show your appreciation to Fred would be to get
your friends to _buy_ the CD, no?
Dianne
(A wanna-be pro writer who hopes to make royalties herself someday... ;-)
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:50:33 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Chats & Shrewthering
As I'm leaving tomorrow for Toronto to see "Taming of the Shrew," yet I
still see lots of requests for the Prodigy chat log arriving in my mail
box, I'd just like to note that if I haven't received your request for a
chat log by 12pm midnight (Eastern time) tonight (Tuesday), you aren't
going to get the log until sometime next week. If at all. :^(
Sorry, I have to have some sort of cutoff point. Anyone else who has a
copy of it and wants to jump in to take requests, feel free.
I'd estimate that I've sent out 60 or so of the transcripts so far. It's
obvious that the chat room would have had a lot more people in it if there
had been more warning. :^(
BTW, hopefully those of us seeing Ger in "Taming of the Shrew" this
weekend will be able to send a report or two from Toronto! Can't wait!
:^) :^)
* Allison Percy, perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* Shrewthering info: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/shrew.html *
* "We can't fail, because we don't know what we're doing. It's almost *
* like seeing a work in progress." GWD on the upcoming "Taming of the *
* Shrew," which will have *no* group rehearsals before opening night! *
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:50:24 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: New Episodes??
At 07:04 PM 4/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Second, I've noticed that USA :-( has stopped airing FK, but the FOX network
>:-) is still showing reruns. Is FOX going to show the new episodes, or are
>they only going to show it on the SF Channel?
>
Fox as a network is not showing FK, but some Fox networks are showing it
along with other stations in syndication. If your Fox station has been
showing FK all along, then it will show the last four eps as well.
Games Vampires Play is a third season episode which has only aired once. It
should be airing again after the last four eps. air.
As far as releasing the series as videos - don't hold your breath for that one.
>
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:57:26 -0400
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Jon Cassar and AOL Chat
Thanks for all of you who came to the AOL Forever Knight Chat last night for
the visit from Jon Cassar to talk about "Dead of Night"!
Unfortunately, Jon was a no-show, but this evening this note was in my box:
>>Hi Marci
Sorry I didn't make it last night. I did try, but I really got hung up. I'm
quickly getting ready to go to LA to direct two episodes of BAYWATCH NIGHTS.
I promise I'll make it up to you.
Jon Cassar<<
So I wrote Jon back saying he could make it up to us by meeting with us on
May 13 after (presumably) "Ashes to Ashes" airs, which he also directed!
We'll see if he takes the bait, otherwise I'm sure we'll get him back at
some point in time.
Stay tuned! (Fred Mollin says he'll be back in June for sure, BTW!)
Marcia Tucker
ScFiMarci@a.......
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:07:38 -0400
From: Lisa Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix bandwagon (long)
Hey, Hey All :)
Victoria wrote:
>I hope this thread has not completely died.
This is the land of vampires, nothing ever dies, just ask Jamie :)
Besides, I could talk about LaCroix <wg>
Victoria wrote:
>My take on Lacroix.
>I have always seen Lacroix as a man of power.
Hmmm, interesting idea. I've always seen him as a man of action
rather than a man of power. While he was a general and commanded
troops, his orders, whether he liked it or no, came from a higher
power. He had power in battle, but did he have power in his
personal life? In AMPH, Seline basically cuts him off and tells
him he has to wait, and Divia looks at him with a smirk and walks
away. IMHO, he may have had command of men in his military life,
but in his personal life he seemed softer and more prone to
acceptance of the dictates of others. Of course, I happen to
believe that at the heart of every powerful man, is a little boy
that is struggling to gain the acceptance and approval of the
masses. Politics, afterall, whether early Roman or current day, is
little more than a popularity contest.
Victoria continues:
>I saw Lacroix as the master of Nick and Jeanette because he made
>himself the master. He has invested much time and effort on them.
>Losing them would be an annoyance as well as a personal failure.
In Father's Day, LaCroix says "You are my creature Nicholas -- made
in my image." I think that this tends to imply that the creator
vampire is in fact the master figure -- parental figure, God
figure, whatever. There has been much discussion about Nick's
failures at successfully bringing others across. In my view, it is
specifically because he refuses to take the master role and keep
the new born vampires in check. The first hunger, as we saw in
Fever, is not something that is easily controlled. The new vampire
needs to have the guidance and restraint of a master in order to
prevent then from running muck across the countryside -- like
Richard, the leper woman, the doctor, etc. IMVH, I think in his
own way that LaCroix loves both Nicholas & Janette. I think we've
seen his love for them clearly, especially in 2nd and 3rd season.
To use Father's Day again :) LaCroix allows the grandson to go free
and turns Don Constantine into a vamp specifically because of what
Nicholas said to him. In essense, he was giving in to Nicholas's
wishes. At the end, he also says those truly overused lines, "If
you love something set it free, etc. etc. etc." He is, in effect,
saying that he is willing to try to allow Nick his freedom and hope
that in the long run that Nick will come back. We see this type of
behavior in SoB as well. He goes against everything he believes in
to bring Nick to the exorcist.
With Janette, since they don't interact all that much it's much
harder to convey, but the scene between them in HF seemed to convey
an awful lot of caring on LaCroix's part.
I can hear the Knighties screaming at me already, but I honestly
believe that LaCroix loves Nick and Janette. I would also go so
far as to say that LaCroix is the only character who has been
allowed a great deal of growth through the seasons. He started out
extremely one-dimensional -- your typical evil character. But now
he seems more, I can't believe I'm going to say this, human. There
is a depth of feeling and generosity that definitely was not there
in first season, IMVH.
>I did not see Lacroix' 'evil deeds' done from fear of losing but,
>more out of a show of his power and control. His physical power
>as well as his power over Nick. It seems as if he is still trying
>to 'break' him.
This could be possible if he actually won what he wanted by
enacting his evil deeds. I don't personally believe that he truly
has power over Nick. I think that he *really* wants to have some
form of power over Nick. I think that we can all agree that if
he's been trying to break Nick for several hundred years and still
hasn't, then Nick is the one with the power not LaCroix.
Technically, this is true of all love relationships. It is the
loved that hold the power, not the lover (platonic or otherwise).
The lover (LaCroix) is striving to gain something (the acceptance
and companionship of Nick), the loved (Nick) has the *power* to
give it or withhold it (which he does with unerring annoyance I
might add :)).
I guess I better shut up before I turn this into a book :)
Great discussion guys!
Mercenary Cousin Lisa
"Hand over the Peanut M&M's and no one get's hurt."
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:27:29 -0400
From: "Nancy A. Taylor" <NancyT503@a.......>
Subject: Re: More Encouraging Words
Okay folks, you now have to listen to "she who doesn't post often". I
brought my best friend Vickie <waving at you!> over at the start of third
season. She just posted her first note to the list and I would like to
second some of what she said:
>But I have really enjoyed this list, the people are so nice and friendly,
smart
>intelligent and caring people. I hope that we never give up hope on FK and
that
>the list will stay on and on. I can't imagine what life would be like
without the list.
Here, here, Vickie! I, for one, enjoyed the silliness of two Saturdays ago,
but then I don't pay by the line. I've been with the list for five months
now and get serious withdrawal if I'm gone from it for more than a day. We
have many warm and caring people here, some of whom I have personally
corresponded with. I've made many very good personal friends thanks to this
list.
One of the reasons I don't post often is the fear of being torn down for an
unpopular opinion. The list shouldn't invoke that kind of fear. Usually it
doesn't. I realize the list is experiencing growing pains, but I believe it
will settle back to its familiar friendly self soon. The list should be a
place where even the shyest of us feel free to express our opinions.
On Tues., 23 Apr., Laura <larug@s.......> wrote:
>On a related note: How many of you would buy a CD of GWD's piano playing?
Oh! Me me me!!!!
>I would love to have a good recording of him playing the Moonlight Sonata.
(Not
>to mention one of Nick playing that lovely composition for Nat from Carrie
Krumtum's
>"Fifteen Minutes". I wish it really existed <snip>
I'll second that wholeheartedly! Anyone going to the Weekend with Ger this
June that would ask him if he would be willing to do something like this? I
guess we'll just have to gang up on Carrie <hi there, Carrie!> and find out
if she composes music as beautifully as she composes fanfic!
One more note: To the person writing the Charter for the See-Through
Knighties (Dotti, was that you?), sign me up! <vbg>
Dame Nancy
Proud Knight(ie) of the List
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