FORKNI-L
Digest - 20 Apr 1996 - Special issue
Sat, 20 Apr 1996
There are 25 messages totalling 1015 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Blood Transfusions and Such
2. Help with Questions
3. Syndie reminder/list family (2)
4. Tulsa LK party
5. FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996 (12)
6. LIST RULES: http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html
7. Nigel Bennett Novel (2)
8. Lucius's nomen
9. Urs/ (was Tracy and Vachon)
10. Name That Roman General!
11. Trilogy of Terror
12. Ger's chat
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:00:23 -0400
From: Eileen Salmas <ESalmas@a.......>
Subject: Blood Transfusions and Such
I was chatting with Carrie regarding her wonderful story Knight Confessions
and some thought popped into my head that I'd love to know what you all think
-- especially since there have been so many fascinating discussions about
medicine and genetics on the list.
In Nick's attempt to come back across, Natalie insists that stopping to
consumption of blood is a key factor. What if he's in transition -- or has
achieved mortality. From time to time even mortals need transfusions. What
would that do to a vampire in transition? Is it just the blood or something
else (assuming mortal blood, not a vampire blood exchange).
On another note, Nick -- as well as the entire vampire community -- was
injected with the virus as a cure in Fever. Would it stay in his system?
Would he be a carrier even if he couldn't get it himself? If he became mortal
would it come back to haunt him? Oh the dilema's he and Nat would have to
face.
Sorry to have rambled on.
Eileen
esalmas@a.......
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Forwarded message:
Subj: Fwd: Knight Confessions
Date: 96-04-19 02:51:18 EDT
From: ESalmas
To: ESalmas
In a message dated 96-04-18 02:20:03 EDT, ESalmas writes:
<< Subj: Knight Confessions
Date: 96-04-18 02:20:03 EDT
From: ESalmas
To: CKrumtum@g.......
Dear Carrie,
Was there a Part 29 that I missed? My sequence goes from 28 to 30 and there
was nothing on the download from AOL this evening that was part 29. Pretty
please post it to me if there is a part 29.
As I've said before, I'm really enjoying this story. Some of what you've done
has got me wondering about blood and mortality and how it's handled on the
show and in the fanfic. Let's say, for the moment, that eating food in prison
DID start pushing Nick toward mortality. Perhaps the weakness was not from
lack of nourishment, but the transition to becoming mortal. Since Nat didn't
have a chance to do a blood work up on him before he was infused with
LaCroix's blood, they'll never know, unless he goes cold turkey again.
>From time to time even mortals need transfusions. What would that do to a
vampire in transition? Is it just the blood or something else (assuming
mortal blood, not vampire blood exchange as you've written). Ovbiously, once
LaCroix is involved, Nick would revert to the vampiric nature and the bond
between them would be stengthened. Which leads to a question -- I always
thought LaCroix was in control of the bond and could find Nick even when he
didn't want to be found. Can Nick block him out?
If Nick is weakened - partially mortal -- or however one chooses to describe
his current conditon -- could he have contracted AIDS from the rape? I know
he was injected with teh virus as a cure in Fever, but do you think it would
stay in his system? Would he be a carrier even if he couldn't get it himself?
If he became mortal would it come back to haunt him? Oh the dilema's he and
Nat would have to face.
Sorry to have rambled on.
>>
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Forwarded message:
Subj: Knight Confessions
Date: 96-04-18 02:20:03 EDT
From: ESalmas
To: CKrumtum@g.......
Dear Carrie,
Was there a Part 29 that I missed? My sequence goes from 28 to 30 and there
was nothing on the download from AOL this evening that was part 29. Pretty
please post it to me if there is a part 29.
As I've said before, I'm really enjoying this story. Some of what you've done
has got me wondering about blood and mortality and how it's handled on the
show and in the fanfic. Let's say, for the moment, that eating food in prison
DID start pushing Nick toward mortality. Perhaps the weakness was not from
lack of nourishment, but the transition to becoming mortal. Since Nat didn't
have a chance to do a blood work up on him before he was infused with
LaCroix's blood, they'll never know, unless he goes cold turkey again.
>From time to time even mortals need transfusions. What would that do to a
vampire in transition? Is it just the blood or something else (assuming
mortal blood, not vampire blood exchange as you've written). Ovbiously, once
LaCroix is involved, Nick would revert to the vampiric nature and the bond
between them would be stengthened. Which leads to a question -- I always
thought LaCroix was in control of the bond and could find Nick even when he
didn't want to be found. Can Nick block him out?
If Nick is weakened - partially mortal -- or however one chooses to describe
his current conditon -- could he have contracted AIDS from the rape? I know
he was injected with teh virus as a cure in Fever, but do you think it would
stay in his system? Would he be a carrier even if he couldn't get it himself?
If he became mortal would it come back to haunt him? Oh the dilema's he and
Nat would have to face.
Sorry to have rambled on.
Eileen
esalmas@a.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 22:25:16 +1000
From: Deanna Czarnuszewicz <deczar@p.......>
Subject: Help with Questions
As part of our Forever Knight presentation at an upcoming convention, or
group is planning a 'sort of' vampire quizz show.
Can anyone with a slightly twisted imagination help us with some questions
and answers?
These should be Forever Knight and/or Vampire related. Examples:
Q: Why did the Vampire Cross the Road.
A.To get to the other side.
Q:What is Tracy
A: A Good Cop.(Other answers may also be accepted :-)
(Fortunatly) I can't claim responsibility for these and you can see why we
need help.
The convention is only two weeks away!
Sorry to bother the list with this sillyness, but as we discovered at the
last convention, very few people even die-hard vampire fans saw Forever
Knight 1st season, (Which was only shown once here in Australia)and we feel
this is a good opportunity to introduce as many people as we can to FK
before 2nd and 3rd season are shown.We have found that people enjoy our
'very different' presentations. I think it would be best if suggestions are
E-mailed to me privately.
Many,many thanks
Deanna
The Brisbane Group of Forever Knight Fans
Queensland Beautiful one Day
Australia Perfect the Next
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:35:26 -0400
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: Syndie reminder/list family
Just a reminder that we're getting new episodes next weekend and that
letters or postcards or something might be nice to your local affiliate and
to SFC to let them know you're there, watching. I try to drop a note to my
local affiliate every time I see a new episode just to let them know I'm
there, I'm watching and that I appreciate that they're showing FK.
Jamie wrote:
>I always thought we were family, here. I would hate to be wrong about
>that.
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie... How many families to *you* know who *don't* bicker
and get throughly disgusted with each other and stomp off to their room for
a while to cool off or to get away? :-) I think the fact that we do have
our occasional growing pains and that we managage, admittedly after some
period of problems, to resolve them in *some* manner speaks to the fact
that we are a community or even an extended family. I think I'd be a
little more concerned about the list if we *didn't* have our occasional
problems. You can't please all the people all the time, and I think
everyone here does a pretty good job of trying to keep upwards of 1000
people happy.
I admit, my enthusiasm for the lists has waned, but you have to remember
I've been here since the summer of 1993 when the list was under 500 people.
I left altogether in November because I was disgusted with the lack of
discussion, the constant misunderstandings, and the misconception that
simple disagreement was flame-bait. I left spoiler (and haven't and will
not return) because rather than a discussion list for *us* it became a
conduit to Toronto for grievances about the show and especially because the
constant "Nat's a bitch" thread was, to me, offensive and unconstructive
and unwarrented (I'm not sure what I'll do if it moves to FORKNI in
earnest). It wasn't that I didn't feel welcome, though I suppose that was
an element. I just found it became an excercise in frustration and
futility and I wasn't enjoying the repetative arguments anymore. Why stay
if it's causing me aggrivation when there were other places to go? Leaving
for a bit and just dealing with a few smaller discussion groups actually
helped me regain my equilibrium about the lists, and I returned to FORKNI
when the show got cancelled and I'll remain here for as long as I'm able
to.
So I'd argue that these satellite groups don't necessarily hurt the
list--they may actually help it by being stress-reducers of sorts, overflow
conduits for when the main thing gets to be too much. Most of the people
on the smaller loops I'm on are still on FORKNI and are still reading it
even if they aren't participating.
Yes, we're all responsible for maintaining the flavor of the list. That's
partly why I left SPOILR and don't post as much. I was going round and
round with people and not getting anywhere (and getting aggrevated) and was
contributing to the problem. In some cases, for some people, saying
*nothing* might be a better thing than speaking up sometimes.
That's what I think about the whole thing anyway. Sorry for the long post.
Sharon
--
Sharon Himmanen * romana@p........ Forever Knight has been cancelled.
To help save it, check out
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html or send me email
ASAP!
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:09:15 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Tulsa LK party
Just a reminder: the Tulsa party is still on May 18, beginning at about
sunset, or between 8 and 9 pm. For anyone planning to come, I need an RSVP,
list of food allergies (if you haven't mailed me already about this), and
preference of chocolate or white cake and what kind of ice cream (so far
it's been solid chocolate: chocolate, much to my delight). Also, mail me
for directions. My house can be a bit hard to find if you don't know what
you're looking for. It's a non-alcohol party (THANK you, mom and dad :S),
but some of the stuff we'll have doesn't NEED it. There will also be much
sugar, caffeine, and chocolate, plus random, obnoxious, obscure, rather
stupid, pun-quality FK sight gags strewn about the house. Uhhhh... Tippi
won't be here, but there may (nothing definite) be an IRC link to Arlington
(Tippi WILL be there). TTFN!
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 09:48:21 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
At 02:36 AM 4/20/96 -0400, Jamie wrote:
>
>I always thought we were family, here. I would hate to be wrong about that.
>
I know, this is sad. I have discovered there's been a lot of private e-mail
bitching by people and this is why some people have left when we haven't
even seen what the furor as all about. When I first hit this list, this kind
of thing wasn't happening and there was a great combination silliness and
seriousness. Remember the long discussion on how a vampire could serious
drain a body of blood in so short a time? Man, I learned more about blood
than I could have possibly wanted - but it was really interesting. But
people still jumped in and had fun with it. That sense of fun is definitely
gone, and replaced with a fear of saying the wrong thing.
I'm still here, I'm not going anywhere. I think the general apathy also has
to do with the fact that the realization has begun to sink in that we have
lost our show - for now anyway. That we have four new eps left, we are all
uncertain about those, and then the door is closed on new FK for who knows
how long. It is a sobering thought. We went for 18 mos. without it once
before, we'll get thru this too.
I think it's going to be fun to watch how the popularity of the show is
going to grow thru the Sci-Fi channel. I have a feeling they're going to
realize they have to do somthing and do something soon.
In the meantime, we have a great time in Toronto to look forward to. Those
of us on the SKL list have our outlet for hysteria and anyone who wants to
giggle at FK related (and sometimes not) nonsense is free to take a look.
The rest have this list to discuss seriously. I like that too - just not as
a steady diet. I don't think the family feeling is gone - just a little
unsteady at the moment due to outside circumstances. We'll get back to it,
I'm sure.
Tootles - love you all (well MOST OF YOU (vbg))
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:57:25 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
>In the meantime, we have a great time in Toronto to look forward to. Those
>of us on the SKL list have our outlet for hysteria and anyone who wants to
>giggle at FK related (and sometimes not) nonsense is free to take a look.
Since when is *FK related* nonsense off-limits on this list? I was under the
impression the SKL list was for *off topic* nonsense... at least, that's what
we were told.
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:07:13 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Syndie reminder/list family
At 08:35 AM 4/20/96 -0400, Sharon wrote:
>Jamie, Jamie, Jamie... How many families to *you* know who *don't* bicker
and get throughly disgusted with each other and stomp off to their room for
a while to cool off or to get away? :-) etc.....
Excellent post Sharon and I think it said it all. Thanks!!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:22:03 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
At 08:57 AM 4/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Since when is *FK related* nonsense off-limits on this list? I was under
the impression the SKL list was for *off topic* nonsense... at least, that's
what we
>were told.
>
Listen, after the crap we caught after last Saturday night we don't want to
take any chances! A lot of the silliness we did that night was FK related,
and some of it was not. No one said "oh the FK stuff was funny and okay, but
the other stuff wasn't" we just got reamed for everything. Also, we get
really bawdy over there and we don't have to worry about any of the cast
being on the list so we have no rules--from x-rated to g-rated and back
again! We can be totally immature if we it strikes us and not worry about
anyone chastising us.
We're still posting a little silliness here - we just have to be careful!!
(ssssh quiet - we're posting funnies!! heh-heh-heh-heh!!!)
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 09:55:07 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
>Listen, after the crap we caught after last Saturday night we don't want to
>take any chances! A lot of the silliness we did that night was FK related,
>and some of it was not. No one said "oh the FK stuff was funny and okay, but
<sigh> I'm going to respond to this, because it's very much relevant to the
whole debate. Frankly, IMO, you *deserved* to be called on last Saturday. Yes,
you didn't intend to spam the list, but that doesn't change the fact that you
*did*. The fact that people got justifiably annoyed with you does *not* mean
you should take your toys and go home! Yes, you caught a lot of flack. Yes, some
of it was excessive. But if everybody who messes up and gets told they did
leaves, this list is gonna get awfully empty awfully fast...
And that, as our esteemed assistant-listowner is wont to say, would be a Very
Bad Thing. :)
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:51:47 -0400
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: LIST RULES: http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html
As per my previous post, for everyone's reference, this is a PARTIAL recap
of the Rules of the Lists, as set by Jaye and posted at
http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html
These rules have been around for longer than I have; they are not
negotiable, and reminders that one should adhere to these rules are not
persecution. 'Nuff said.
* -- When replying to a previous post, you may only quote FOUR LINES of
that post for each point you wish to comment on.
* -- Sigs can be no longer than FIVE lines long, including all text,
symbols and spaces.
* -- No "Me Too" posts (i.e. posts that quote another post and add "I
agree")
* -- No personal replies to the lists, unless it's an emergency; private
replies should go via private e-mail.
* -- No posting of fiction on FORKNI. (Discussion of fiction is okay.) No
spoilers on FORKNI. No discussion on FKFIC (only fiction). Spoilers only
on FKSPOILR.
* -- While there is no hard and fast rule, it is strongly suggested that
listmembers make a sincere effort to limit themselves to three posts per
day.
* -- Stay On Topic. If it isn't about FK, it should be elsewhere.
* -- BE NICE. NO FLAMING ON-LIST.
"These rules are subject to change without warning. The punishment for
ignoring the rules is a
one-week nomailing for the first offense, one-week noposting for the
second, and permanent
unsubscription and noposting for the third." This is a direct quote from
the web page.
Which is, once again, located at:
http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html
If you absolutely positively have no access whatsoever to the Web, I'll
send you a copy upon request (by PRIVATE e-mail, please!)
Hope this clears up any confusion.
--
------- Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......> -------
--------- Assistant Listowner, FORKNI-L ---------
-Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies-
------ Ask me about 'Saturday Knight Live'! -----
'We will make Mountain Dew come out of your nose'
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 11:04:31 -0400
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
On Apr 20, 1996 10:22:03, 'Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>' wrote:
>Listen, after the crap we caught after last Saturday night we don't want to
>take any chances! A lot of the silliness we did that night was FK related,
>and some of it was not. No one said "oh the FK stuff was funny and okay, but
>the other stuff wasn't" we just got reamed for everything.
Dotti, you know as well as I do that we *deserved* to get reamed for that.
We generated WAY too much mail for one night. Not only that: there were
times when three short posts could have been combined into one, and STILL
not have been anywhere near on-topic. Not just excessive mail, but JUNK
mail. We just got out of hand, period; and you and I were two of the worst
offenders. It was understandable in a way, and from what I've heard, it's
not the first time it's happened on the list; but it was most definitely
wrong.
And THAT is what SKL is for. More than anything else, quantity. For those
times when you just feel impelled to make sixteen posts in a row at three
in the morning, posts that SHOULDN'T be sent to forkni. For idle
conversation and nattering. For unselfconscious rambling. Which sometimes
strays into FK territory. I mean, how the heck do you enforce a "no
on-topic posts" rule?
>We're still posting a little silliness here - we just have to be careful!!
>(ssssh quiet - we're posting funnies!! heh-heh-heh-heh!!!)
Careful is good. Careful is very good. Careful is, in fact, in accordance
with the List Rules.
There can be merriment and mirth within the generous limitations of the
Rules. I mean, there always has been... and it shouldn't stop now.
But as Diane says, being asked to be careful and responsible and play by
the rules isn't the same as being exiled.
And if there is anyone on this list who has posted without EVER making a
mistake, I would very much like to meet them...
--
------- Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......> -------
--------- Assistant Listowner, FORKNI-L ---------
-Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies-
------ Ask me about 'Saturday Knight Live'! -----
'We will make Mountain Dew come out of your nose'
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:50:08 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
>there are those on the SKL loop who are there because they do not feel welcome
>on forkni-l. <snip> Yet there were those who were unhappy with the state of
>the list even before That Night, who felt there was too much trivial traffic
>Which group is right? Which group is wrong? If either? I don't know.
Look, Jamie! Four lines! :) (Yes, I'm posting a lot this morning, because I
*care* about this. I'll be quiet later. :> )
Neither is right. And both. To expect the List to be exactly what *you* (I'm
using 'you' in the universal sense, here) want it to be unreasonable. I've been
on this list for about a year and a half, and there have been times I've been in
both camps, sometime simultaneously <g>-- yelling at my monitor for certain
people to <Lighten up!> and for others to <Get a life, already!> on numerous
occasions. :)
>people are signing off the lists because they feel unwanted or because
>they're just not enjoying themselves,
There are always going to be people who don't like what the list is, and leave
it. That's life, it happens all the time, even though you don't realize it
because most of them lurk, or leave quietly.
The problem comes in when the people who *aren't* happy don't speak up-- or are
treated as 'wrong' when they do. Remember the spoiler list at the beginning of
this season? The Tracy-bashers and Third-season-haters were spewing venom (and
it *Was* venom, no pretense to be anything else) *everywhere* and those of us
that thought it had potential mostly kept silent, because the few that *did*
post were told they were stupid, over-optimistic dreamers....
*That's* what you need to watch out for.
If you want more serious threads, START ONE! If you think someone's post is the
funniest thing you've read in years, but have no other comment to make on it,
*send it private e-mail*. This list is, at its best, a democracy run by a pair
of benevolent dictators (Jaye & Jamie) and like all democracies, it won't work
if the people involved don't participate in *keeping* it that way!
We're experiencing one of the list's periodic bouts of 'growing pains'. We do
this fairly often, but I'm beginning to wonder if the list hasn't,
psychologically speaking, hit adolescence. <g>
In My Highy Prejudiced Opinion (Warning, silly analogies ahead!) a large part of
the current problem is that we 'old list hands' <vbg> feel like a family that
has just had a favorite aunt marry a man with a huge number of rambunctious,
outgoing, high-energy children-- and their new cousins (note, no capital C ;> ),
who have always been made to mind our manners, say 'please' and 'thank you' and
generally behaved with old-fashioned politeness in company are annoyed at
suddenly having the family reunion disrupted by these ill-mannered, loud and
demanding brats, who hog all the cake, push us off the swings, and complain that
"she hit me!" when we push back. <vbg>
Of course, to the new folk, it probably feels like having your Dad drag you to
visit stuffy Great-Aunt Ruth, who makes you sit on a hard chair and drink
chamomile tea, while telling long, boring stories about when she was a girl,
back in the Gay '90s.... ;)
Now I think about it, *Jamie* annoyed the hell out of me when she first joined
the list <g> because *she* was posting constantly-- and, in retrospect, that
was partly because when *I* was new, I was the opposite type, the "lurk until I
feel like I know these people and can talk to them without being snubbed" type--
but she calmed down, I ventured out of my cyber-shell, and we're pretty good
e-friends, now. :)
So please, people, remember that there's a difference between disagreement and
flaming, between enthusiasm and bad manners, and that the former is okay and the
latter is not?
Then, years from now, we can all meet at the List's 50th Cyberspace birthday
party and complain about how the *New* Newbies just don't understand.... ;)
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:05:42 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
At 09:55 AM 4/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>But if everybody who messes up and gets told they did
>leaves, this list is gonna get awfully empty awfully fast...
>
>And that, as our esteemed assistant-listowner is wont to say, would be a
Very Bad Thing. :)
I agree - I didn't say we were totally in the right - it did get a little
out of hand - I just don't think the nastiness we got was really justified.
Yes, we did need to be called on it and since we don't want that to happen
again we have moved it to avoid upsetting anyone else. No one is saying
there can't be any fun on this list, but you know the saying, once burned
twice shy. And, I agree, it would be sad if everyone avoided this list like
the plague - but I think everyone will come back (if they have in fact left
totally). I just think everyone is being quiet.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:14:29 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
At 11:04 AM 4/20/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dotti, you know as well as I do that we *deserved* to get reamed for that.
We generated WAY too much mail for one night.
I didn't say we didn't deserve to get called on it - just the ferocity was a
little - ferocious, shall I say? I agree, way too much mail, some of it was
really stupid - some of it was junk - and you and I were intensely naughty.
But you've looked at the actual messages lately, I haven't I don't really
remember everything, so you know better just how stupid it got.
As I said to D.E., (HI D.E.!!) I agreed we were bad, deserved to get our
wrists slapped, and we made our list for our excessive craziness. What am I
debating anyway? Oh, yea, the lack of fun on the lists afterwards. Well,
like I said, I'm sure it will return when everyone gets over this (and by
the looks of these notes, everyone hasn't gotten over them). I reread the
list rules, and I know them, and I will make sure I will try very had not to
break them and still keep the sense of humor we always had here. I'm sure
it'll be back soon - let's all chill, forget it, and go forward.
Sending kisses and virtual hugs to everybody!!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 11:33:19 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
>Of course, to the new folk, it probably feels like having your Dad drag you to
>visit stuffy Great-Aunt Ruth, who makes you sit on a hard chair and drink
>chamomile tea, while telling long, boring stories about when she was a girl,
>back in the Gay '90s.... ;)
Sorry, sorry, off topic, but funny! Chamomile tea is a sedative, heheheh.
Just liked the irony of it.
ObFK: YKYBWTMFKW you start to wonder about the REST of the _Briscoe County,
Jr._ affiliations after Dixie Cousins...
'Course, this could also be a You Know You've Been Getting Too Little Sleep
When or a You Know You're Too Goddy About a Telnet Chat w/ Your BF When...
'Night, all! Gee, and it isn't even noon yet...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:38:01 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
At 10:50 AM 4/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>So please, people, remember that there's a difference between disagreement
and flaming, between enthusiasm and bad manners, and that the former is okay
and the latter is not?
Yeah Diane!! I think her last note should be the lid slammer - nothing
better can be said and she is completely right!!
Rah rah D.E.!! Rah, rah!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 11:13:51 +0000
From: "Julene McDonald ( but i preffer Blondie )" <blondie@g.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel Bennett Novel
just what is the name of this novel he's doing?
Cousin Blondie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Here comes the woman with the look in her eye.
Raised on leather, flesh on her mind..."
-----------------"Devil Inside" (INXS)------------
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 13:14:54 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Lucius's nomen
Amy R. (hi, Amy!) asked if we could be sure Divius wasn't Lucius's
nomen (gens or clan name). I don't see how. Gens names were not used
independently of the Gens. Selene has a name that indicates Greek
origin. (Incidentally, I think I've been told the script spelled it
Seline, although Selene is correct.)
Unless, perhaps, Selene or an ancestor had been a slave who was freed by
someone in Lucius's gens. A freed slave did assume the manumitor's nomen,
I think. My source is a book which I've had to return. I suppose in that
case it's possible that Divia/Divius is a gens name.
The only trouble with this is that it doesn't appear that Divia is
known to be Lucius's child, judging by the way she's talked about in
front of him. I doubt if Selene would have called the child by the nomen
if she and Lucius had some kind of agreement that the girl wouldn't be
openly acknowledge.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 13:48:42 -0400
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: Urs/ (was Tracy and Vachon)
Janice wrote:
> Poor little victim Urs! She's strong, pretty, healthy, and for all purposes
>immortal. That's not enough, tho, and so she's apparently spent the
> last hundred years or so bitching about what a miserable life Vachon gave her.
Uh....wait a second.....are we discussing FK? The show about the Angst
Ridden, guilt overloaded, soul searching, Vampire/Babe/Cop whose like
eight hundred years old? It's interesting and makes for great story telling
in Nickie, but Urs can't play?
Friendly *#%$@* discussion follows:
I think that the Urs character could have been a great set up to some
fine stories about a woman (vampire) searching for some meaning in the
night.......I mean, her life..
>Babe! Get over it! If (un)life's too much, take a walk in the sun... Or else
>join Nick in the Mortal Wannabe Club.
Urs was attempting suicide by offering her blood to Vachon, who was
valantly trying to rescue her. You don't get over suicidal tendencies
simply by surviving a botched attempt. I don't see Urs as strong in the
sense I think you meant it either. In HoD I thought I saw a woman who
just got a clue into what might be the root of her unhappiness. And
I think Nickie saw that too. The truly interesting tales are ahead for her.
Besides, her maker was/is a wanderer, who has been running for
five hundred years. *His* maker offed herself. Seems like they have
both (V & U) come to a time where they are ready to examine thier lives
(unlives)..
I'd like to see Nickie take her (Introduce her) to the Art Museum.
I'd like to see LaCroix lend her some books.
Oh my #*&%* I want to mention that wonderful piece of Fan Fiction:
"Child Of Truth" by Merry Troupe for like the third time!!!. I really
would like to see that side of LaCroix, I would like Nickie to see that
side of LaCroix. I would like to see Nigel and Ger write an ep for
season four that follows the tag from NIQ. What did the old geezer
say to Nickie that day? What did he leave out? What did he embelish?
Did they...........drink bottle after bottle of the house special all day?
I'd like to see Urs and Vachon spend a weekend in NYC and go
to the Aster Place Barbershop..........<wcg>
> Can you say sugar high? I'm
>hypoglycemic--better get off before I crash...
No, the roomie ate my cookies and my chocolate wabbit and headed to
his girlfiends for the weekend ....... three hours sleep is just not enough,
coffee aint helpin' me........think I'll crack his door, the cats will just
*have to* go sleep on his laundry......heh, heh....
Why don't the chocolatiers do delivery? They have no foresight.
Karies, shutting up and going back to bed with James' Nick and LC scones.
from Jadfe.......Sure to be a tasty treat.
SoulDebris@a.......
Darkly Whimsical.
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 11:23:32 -0700
From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel Bennett Novel
>
> just what is the name of this novel he's doing?
> Cousin Blondie
It is titeled "Keeper of the King" by Nigel Bennett and P.N. Elrod, the
first in a trilogy. It is due from Baen Books in October of this year.
Denise, The Cousinly Ravenette
ithildin@m.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:22:43 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Name That Roman General!
Regarding the family name of General Lucius ("sir, yes sir, whatever you
say, sir"): I think it's clear from what Lisa McDavid said that Divia's
name doesn't give us a clue. So Leslie <LoosCanN@a.......>, you started
this thread, right? I guess no one knows what his full name might have
been! And if there isn't a canon answer, or a good clue from what we've
seen in the episodes or scripts (for those lucky dogs who have scripts),
then...
You get to make one up! :^)
Roman naming experts should probably be consulted as to the form of the
name (so that it sounds like a real Roman name that someone of Lucius'
stature would have), but you can look for something appropriate.
And since this list needs some lightening up right now, here's a new game
(and it's on-topic, too!):
**** Name That Roman General! ****
I'll start the ball rolling. Those who know Latin will have to supply the
Latin versions of most of these suggestions. I'm just tossing out some
words that seem appropriate for incorporation into Lucius' family name. I
seem to recall Lisa saying there would be 3 parts to the name (although
I'm not sure how often people used the full name), so that gives us up to
two words to add to "Lucius."
- Cross (Lacroix means "the cross" in French; perhaps he took this
French name because it resembled his Roman name)
- Quid Pro Quo (OK, it's 3 words instead of two and I doubt it's a name,
but it *is* the man's motto, isn't it??)
- Uncle (Come on, Latin scholars -- what's Latin for Uncle??)
- Q-tip (What's Latin for Q-tip? Qus Tipius??)
- fuzzy eyebrows (As in: "Yes, Sir, General Lucius Fuzzy Eyebrows, Sir")
- how about something that would acknowledge one of the television
sponsors of FK? I'm thinking that "General Lucius Spamus" has a nice ring to
it. <ducking and running really, really fast from the Cousins now....>
And I'd just like to say that if Mr. Bennett is subscribed to this list
right now I'm going to crawl into a hole and die of embarrassment. <g>
If FK comes back as a series of TV movies and he has to perform in
flashbacks as a character called Lucius Spamus or Lucius Qus Tipius,
*someone* is gonna come after me!
:^)
This message brought to you by the Committee to Support On-Topic
Silliness on FORKNI-L.
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* Shrewthering info: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/shrew.html *
* "To paraphrase the Hair Club for Men guy, 'I not only compose the music *
* for the show, I'm also a fan...'" Fred Mollin *
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 11:31:58 -0700
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
Jamie writes:
> But as Diane says, being asked to be careful and responsible and play by
> the rules isn't the same as being exiled.
> And if there is anyone on this list who has posted without EVER making a
> mistake, I would very much like to meet them...
<A figure steps forward nervously...>
"Hello. My name is Dianne (no, the 2-n one) and I... I..."
<deep breath>
"... I was once a newbie too!"
<gasps of horror snipped <g>
No, really. As I recall Steff (aka Darkangel) and I signed on at about
the same time. Some of my very first posts were a bunch of little back-
and-forth faction sabre-rattling that really should have been private
email-- only neither of us knew any better. <blush>
So... about 5 or 6 posts in, someone (not a clue _who_ now-- was that
you, Susan G? :-) sent us a private email rap on the knuckles and
clarification of list ettiquette. I was completely embarrassed for
making a nusance of myself, apologized, and was much more careful
in the future.
But I didn't feel unwelcome, nor did I leave. They didn't even send me
to bed without supper (i.e. nomailed for a week). But I respected my
elders and felt like a fool and learned my lesson in manners.
And it left no lasting psychological scars... nor has it kept me from
posting either silliness or faction nonsense to the lists. It just
made me aware of what's cool and what's not and how to be a good little
citizen. :-)
So come on, guys. This isn't a stuffy place. But it's just not a free-
for-all either.
And when the grown-ups tell you that you can't run around with scissors
in your hand, they're not trying to be mean, or no-fun, or stuffy.
There are reasons for these rules (i.e., risk of serious bodily harm
&/or PSUVM dumping overloaded non-academic lists!).
And one day today's newbies will realize that they're no longer newbies--
and it'll probably be the day they send _their_ first private email
knuckle-rap to a new, really clueless newbie...
<cue "Turn, turn, turn" and/or "Sunrise, sunset" here <vbg>
Dianne
(who's just about warped as many odd analogies as she can for today...)
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:41:54 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
At 11:31 AM 4/20/96 -0700, you wrote:
>So come on, guys. This isn't a stuffy place. But it's just not a
free-for-all either.
>
Totally agreed!! I never said we weren't wrong - just surprised by how angry
everyone was. You are so right!!
>And when the grown-ups tell you that you can't run around with scissors in
your hand, they're not trying to be mean.,
LOL! ROTFL! Also true....thanks Diane. Now, can we stop please and go back
to having fun!!??
Ahem, to all my loving friends on this list (and yes I mean ALL of them) I
hereby pledge never to mention this again and chalk it up to a learning
experience! Now, does anyone want to discuss Ger's chat? Have you read it
yet? Do you think (like I did) that a lot of it was sort of wasted
questions? ("I think your name is cool!!") Maybe it was a little person...
Does everyone have Showtime so you can watch the "Trilogy of Terror" or will
someone need copies??
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:54:28 -2055
From: "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject: Trilogy of Terror
Hi Guys,
Does anybody know when Trilogy of Terror is supposed to air on Showtime?
Katherine
lqueen@p.......
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:05:23 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Ger's chat
Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......> said:
> experience! Now, does anyone want to discuss Ger's chat? Have you read it
> yet? Do you think (like I did) that a lot of it was sort of wasted
> questions? ("I think your name is cool!!") Maybe it was a little person...
If by a "little person" you mean a child, I think the Pseudo Chat area is
supposed to be adults-only, so I doubt it. If by a "little person" you
mean a person of short stature, I have no idea! If by a "little person"
you mean someone who couldn't think of something better to say, yes,
that's probably it!
There was some time at the beginning of the chat when absolutely nothing
appeared to be happening. Probably people got bored and submitted
questions that weren't really earth-shaking.
> Does everyone have Showtime so you can watch the "Trilogy of Terror" or will
> someone need copies??
Whenever "Trilogy of Terror 2" runs on Showtime, a lot of people who
don't get the channel will be trying to work out tape trades! <g>
--
Allison Percy (sparing you the longer .sig this time!)
percy91@w.......
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