FORKNI-L
Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996 - Special issue
Sat, 20 Apr 1996
There are 35 messages totalling 1008 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Roman names (4)
2. Tracy and Vachon (3)
3. New biography of Bram Stoker
4. Mortals, Vampire's & Webpages Oh My!
5. SOS-FK Charity Drive
6. Reply to: Party/Wake in Texas
7. Ger's Chat and "those people"
8. Nick's Quest
9. innocent question
10. FK page on Sci-fi (2)
11. Off-Topic Con Info (2)
12. FK Visibility?
13. Official Chat Transcript!
14. Fox 59 in INDPLS, IN
15. OKC, Thanks (2)
16. Official Chat log
17. TCI, Sci-Fi, and Dallas
18. I am back
19. Top Ten RL/FK
20. I'm back - PBS
21. Post your Votes (2)
22. more wardrobe
23. Oh Captain, My Captain
24. FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
25. Nat's body
26. Oklahoma City-We Remember
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:08:35 -0700
From: AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Roman names
On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:
> Note: the nomena were not used as personal names for women outside the
> gens. Divia was illegitimate, so we can *NOT* conclude that Lucius's
> nomena was Divius.
But might it have been? Given that we have no evidence it *was*,
*might* it have been? Pondering the wording of the dialogue in AMPH's
flashbacks, where LC speaks to Selene about "your daughter," I have the
impression that not only was Divia illegitimate, her relationship to LC was
not public knowledge, and thus it's unlikely her name reflected LC's... On
the other hand, that was LC's home, with his bust on display; Selene refers
to "*my* guests," and LC seems ready to greet Divia publically and
affectionately... And we know how LC likes to claim that which is his!
(I always enjoy your posts, Lisa. Thanks.)
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r.......@w....... *******
"By an equally suspicious freak of temporal relastatics, it is nearly
always Saturday afternoon just before the beach bars close."--D.Adams
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:17:44 -0700
From: AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy and Vachon
On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Tippi NB wrote:
> This segues into an interesting analysis of Vachon's character. That
> despite the slacker appearance, he's got these really deep paternal
> feelings. I'd even say he saw himself as Screed's protector, too.
I'll grant that Vachon has a need for community (which I think is a
carryover from his status as Janette's replacement) but I'm not sure the
feelings can really be classified as "paternal." From HoD, particularly the
way Nick felt it necessary to point out that Vachon would be responsible for
Urs if she was behind the murder, I got the impression that Vachon has been a
very... loose... master. That has advantages, of course (ask Nick and
Janette), but it also has disadvantages (ask those Nick's brought across).
Isn't it weird that Cousin Tippi and Lady Amy are the ones discussing this?
:) Have the Vaqueras already settled the issue on Apache's loop? :)
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r.......@w....... *******
"By an equally suspicious freak of temporal relastatics, it is nearly
always Saturday afternoon just before the beach bars close."--D.Adams
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:23:29 -0700
From: AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: New biography of Bram Stoker
Linda, Dotti, and Ms. Sushi wrote:
>>>I think Uncle can give Count Dracula a run for his money.
>>I think Count Dracula would leave the country after running into Uncle.
>Only if he survives.
Now, they're both more civilized than that... Didn't you know that the
Count used to be a regular at the Raven? He would certainly have run
into LaCroix a few times, and, like all the other youngsters...
Oh. Wait. That was "Spark," wasn't it? <g>
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r.......@w....... *******
"By an equally suspicious freak of temporal relastatics, it is nearly
always Saturday afternoon just before the beach bars close."--D.Adams
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:27:43 -0700
From: Dee Davidson <dmd@a.......>
Subject: Mortals, Vampire's & Webpages Oh My!
I've seen lots of new pages turning up, a good thing IMO:)
May as well add mine to the list if you didn't already know about it.
http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/fkpage2.html
There's some pix there but they will be changing real soon so grab em
quick. I'm still fussing with it, any ideas would be helpful. Let me know
what you think.
Forever!
Dee * Cousin * Valentine *
dmd@a.......
******************************************
"If you think I tormented you in the past my little friends, wait
until you see what I do with you now!" Q
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:42:15 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Roman names
Amy wrote:
>not public knowledge, and thus it's unlikely her name reflected LC's... On
>the other hand, that was LC's home, with his bust on display; Selene refers
>to "*my* guests," and LC seems ready to greet Divia publically and
Um... Amy... <g>
According to someone who owns a copy of the script, that wasn't a private house.
It was a Roman brothel, and Selene was the Madame. Lucius *may* very well
have been her patron, however. It was the custom for Romans who freed slaves
(and Selene could very well have been a war-captive; it would have been quite
in keeping with custom for him to take a captured woman of good family as his
slave-mistress, then free her later) to set them up in business or otherwise
provide for them. In fact, it was considered incredibly gauche *not* to do
so....
And if he was her Patron, that would explain the bust. It was, in effect, a
public warning that she was Under His Protection, and you messed with her or her
girls at your peril. <g>
Just MHO on the subject, of course... :)
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:41:31 -0400
From: Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: SOS-FK Charity Drive
Hi All :)
Just doing my little update of the Friends of FK Charity Drive.
I know you're all tired of hearing about this stuff <G>. But,
boring people to tears has never stopped me before. Afterall, I am
a college composition instructor <VBG> Anyway, I wanted to share a
very nice note that just arrived in the mail from the Pediatric
AIDS Foundation.
***********************
Dear Lisa,
Everyone at the Pediatric AIDS Foundation joins me in thanking you
and the other members of the Friends of "Forever Knight" Group for
your donations made in honor of the cast and crew of "Forever
Knight." We are pleased that the Charity Drive is going so well
and that the donations keep rolling in.
You are all truly "Heroes" in our eyes.
Warm regards,
Doreen Lane
Special Events Coordinator
*************************
Just gives you a happy little grin, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, we're still shooting for the $10,000 mark and we're still
about $600 short of that mark.
If there are any new list members who would like more details, feel
free to contact me by private e-mail.
Anyone who would like to make a donation, we've been asking people
to make a minimum donation of $5, but you can feel free to donate
as much or as little as you can afford. When donating, please make
your check payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation and mail it to:
Lisa Prince
PAF FK Group Charity Organizer
000 Xxxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxx
Xxxxx 000
Xxxxxxx, XX 00000-0000
Virtual hugs, kisses, and Cousinly dreams to all of you <G>
Mercenary Cousin Lisa
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:44:00 -0400
From: Tippi NB <TippiNB@w.......>
Subject: Reply to: Party/Wake in Texas
Cousin Suk wrote:
>The party is planned for May 18th. Wicked Cousin Tippi will be in attendance
>as well as some of the Houston people
Oh my! I'm an attraction! I'm a reason to come to a party! I feel so loved.
;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
Long Live the Thong!
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:42:04 -0400
From: Betsy Vera <Betsy.Vera@m.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Chat and "those people"
re People who can't tell the character from the actor.
Some years ago, I was backstage at a con, waiting for a costume contest to
start. The Guest was there, too (he was the judge). Some people went to talk
to him, since he was right there. One of the contestants was in the guise of
the mother of the illegitimate son of a character this actor had played
*once,* many years earlier, as a guest performer on another show (she had a
doll version of this "son" with her). (Note: the "mother" and "son" were
inventions of the contestant). She started talking to the actor, *in
character,* berating him for leaving her alone with the kid. The poor man
looked very bewildered.
Scary stuff.
Betsy
betsy.vera@m.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:52:08 -0700
From: AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
On Thu, Ray wrote:
> I think we need go no further than Nigel's opening voiceover; "... now
> he wants to be mortal again ..." *Now*, indicating that this wish is of
> recent vintage. I'm not sure that we could say that Nick was perfectly happy
> for the first 650-700 years. That much angst doesn't build up overnight.
This is a fair assessment. We know, from the Canadian version of "Dark
Knight," that Nick's angst began almost immediately after he came across --
"I want to go back." And we know, from innumerable flashbacks, that even at
his most vampiric, Nick would feel guilty as soon as the blood lust subsided.
Of course, for around six-hundred years, he rarely hesitated to give in to
that blood lust. It may have been, in part, because he didn't have the
strength or experience to control it, which would be an additional angst
factor, but we have also seen him reveling in his powers and, at least once,
his needs.
But I would like to suggest an additional significance of the opening
voiceover, if we take the words to be LaCroix's... "Now he wants to be mortal
again," LC says, with a hint of the long-suffering exasperation Janette
expressed when she called Nick "an eternal *boy*" in "The Fix". LC sees Nick
as, well, wishy-washy.
Nick, of course, sees everything as *forever*. He expected Janette to be
with him forever (PotM), and then he expected them to be apart forever. That
always seems to be his attitude in his relationships, and because his
impatience has often made him frustrated and restless -- changing his mind to
a new thing that he sincerely believes will be forever -- he has, instead of
demonstrating the power and virtue of his quest, continued to give LC all the
reason he needs to believe that this is just some kind of adolescent phase.
Ummmm.... I've been being serious here -- I'm almost always serious -- but,
uh, has *ALL* the silliness moved over to SKL? Where I'm not, of course...
We can still have *some* silliness here, can't we? Please? :)
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r.......@w....... *******
"By an equally suspicious freak of temporal relastatics, it is nearly
always Saturday afternoon just before the beach bars close."--D.Adams
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:13:15 -0400
From: Tippi NB <TippiNB@w.......>
Subject: Re: innocent question
Lisa W. wrote:
>ObFK: Ger/Nick did *not* look bad in that shift in "Near Death." We have a
>whole nuther fraction devoted to that particular piece of attire... we call
>ourselves the See-Through Knighties. (I know Dotti and Lauren will join up!)
Oh that's hysterical! I love it! See-Through Knighties! It's a play on words!
God I need sleep!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
Faking a sig.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:21:33 -0700
From: Dee Davidson <dmd@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK page on Sci-fi
>The photo gallery contains the 3rd season cast photo and the 2nd season and
>a nice solo shot of Catherine Discher, all downloadable ( is that a word?) <G>
I was there a few minutes ago and the images are really nice, except for
the one of LaCroix, its an old one:( I was hoping to see a new one *hint
hint* Its really hard to get good ones off video captures(especially mine).
Really nice pic of CD, Nick and Sckanke, and Tracy. Overall, its a pretty
good page I haven't heard the sounds yet but I really liked Nick's
portfolio:)
Forever!
Dee * Cousin * Valentine *
dmd@a....... http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/
******************************************
"If you think I tormented you in the past my little friends, wait
until you see what I do with you now!" Q
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:28:34 -0400
From: Tippi NB <TippiNB@w.......>
Subject: Re: Roman names
Amy wrote:
>On the other hand, that was LC's home, with his bust on display; Selene refers
>to "*my* guests," and LC seems ready to greet Divia publically and
>affectionately... And we know how LC likes to claim that which is his!
I thought the place was... how shall I put this delicately... a brothel. Does
anyone know for sure?
Wicked Cousin Tippi
Thoooong!
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:36:27 -0500
From: Kayla Clark <katygale@i.......>
Subject: Off-Topic Con Info
ObHL: New eps and the HL:TCG Movie Edition cannot come out soon enough.
Collectors note - I will be looking for Connor cards!
ObFK: Heresy, I know, but I really like "Kindred" and hope that FK'ers will
give it a shot. It's not FK, anymore than IWAV was. It's a different
universe altogether. Glad to hear GWD's got a movie coming out.
Now, the promised info:
Two New Orleans Conventions:
NEW ORLEANS SCIENCE FICTION FANTASY FESTIVAL
June 28-30, 1996; Radisson Hotel (in Kenner); Limited to 900 attendees.
Mainly literary guests.
GUESTS:
Elizabeth Moon (Author, "Hunting Party" & "Winning Colors"
David Lee Anderson (Artist)
Admiral Hiawatha L. Niagara (Fan Guest)
Aaron Allston (Toastmaster)
George Alec Effinger, Barbara Hambly, Edward Bryant, Peggy Ranson, Bradley
Denton
ACTIVITIES:
Panels * Movies * Dealers' Room * Costume Contest * Gaming
* Art Show * Meet the Guests party * Charity Auction & Dance
Angels * Videos * Fri & Sat Nite Dance * Late Nite Panels *
Hospitality Suite
MORE INFO:
000 000 0000 or 000 000 0000
========================
CRESCENT CITY CON ELEVEN
August 2-4, 1996; Quality Hotel & Convention Center (Same as last year; in
Metairie); Non-Smoking Convention
GUESTS:
John Rhys-Davies (Salla from "Indiana Jones'" films, Prof. of "Sliders")
Mojo, Hugo Montero, Jake Jacobs (Artist)
ACTIVITIES:
Panels * Gaming * 60+ Dealers' Tables * Art Show and Auction *
Video Rooms (by Fusion, N.O.W.F.F., Krewe of the Enterprise) * The
Infamous Saturday Night Dance * Live Action Role Playing * Charity
Auction * Costume Contest ($$ Prizes) * Computer Gaming Room *
Meet the Guest Party * Friday Night Bedtime-story Lingerie and
Teddy-bear (BLT) by THE PORNO PATROL * 24 Hour Hospitality Suite
MORE INFO:
000 000 0000 or CCCXI@a....... or SASE to Crescent City Con P.O. Box 00000
Xxx Xxxxxxx, XX 00000-0000
[Personal note - I attended this last year and it was a total blast!! Yes,
it's the one that NB and DD were at.]
Cousin Kayla
katygale@i.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:29:38 -0700
From: AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Roman names
On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, D Echelbarger wrote:
> Um... Amy... <g>
> According to someone who owns a copy of the script...
--- In cyberspace, no one can see you blush... ---
Thanks, Diane. :)
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r.......@w....... *******
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:46:16 -0500
From: Janice Cox <jancox@v.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy and Vachon
>> This segues into an interesting analysis of Vachon's character. That
>> despite the slacker appearance, he's got these really deep paternal
>> feelings.
>Isn't it weird that Cousin Tippi and Lady Amy are the ones discussing this?
>:) Have the Vaqueras already settled the issue on Apache's loop? :)
Nope! I for, one, am just sitting back and basking in the (moonlight!) glow.
My legs were getting tired from leaping to Vachon's defense elsewhere, you
see...
Vachon does have some sort of protective instinct, but I'd say it's a pretty
small one. While he hasn't abandoned a childe made my mistake (unlike OTHER
vamps I could mention... ;-) ), Javier seems more like Janette (a group
groupie??). He clearly likes hanging around with other vampires, and is
capable (ala Screed) of forming long-lasting friendships with them. Yep, he
*was* the leader of that little threesome, but look at the alternatives...
neither Urs nor Screed is/was exactly a ball of fire in the responsibility,
leadership, or energy department. Basically, they didn't *want* they job...
OTOH, if it's not out of a sense of parental responsibility, I've no clue as
to why he'd let Urs stay with him for so long. Poor little victim Urs! She's
strong, pretty, healthy, and for all purposes immortal. That's not enough,
tho, and so she's apparently spent the last hundred years or so bitching
about what a miserable life Vachon gave her.
Babe! Get over it! If (un)life's too much, take a walk in the sun... Or else
join Nick in the Mortal Wannabe Club. Membership keeps expanding... See your
local recruiter today!
This has gotten pretty incoherent. Can you say sugar high? I'm
hypoglycemic--better get off before I crash...
Toodles,
Janice
The Odd Vaquera
jancox@v.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:53:14 -0400
From: Lillian Feden <feden@m.......>
Subject: FK Visibility?
Hi all,
I spoke to my shirt vendor to ask about the Forever Knightie sweatshirts
(they were being printed today, ship out today or Monday - thanks for your
patience) and he mentioned that they're doing a show in June called Promax.
It's a trade show for all the marketing people in the broadcast industry,
network affiliates and syndicated stations. He ordered an extra shirt and
is going to display it in his booth to give FK a little promo. He'll also
display a few bags. Yes, this is an example of the work they do and it's to
get these broadcasters to use their services, but FK is going to be one of
the featured items.
Pretty cool, huh? I didn't even ask him to do this, he just did it on his
own. Hmmm, he's also familiar with Due South (as opposed to FK, which he
didn't know). Wonder if he'll help with the effort to renew that!
Lillian
feden@m....... http://www.mcs.com/~feden
"Imagination was given to man to compensate for what he is not;
a sense of humor to console him for what he is." Francis Bacon
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:00:29 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Official Chat Transcript!
Good news!
The Chat Powers-That-Be at Prodigy put an official transcript of Ger's
Thursday night chat in the Pseudo Celebrity Chat download library! I've
downloaded it and it doesn't *say* anything about being copyrighted, so
I'll continue my offer to e-mail it to anyone who contacts me *off-list*
and puts the word CHAT in capital letters in the subject line.
Note: If I've already sent you an incomplete log, I'll mail you this
new version automatically -- you don't have to ask again! :^)
And for a while, anyway, the log will be available through my web page
at:
http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/obsess.html
I will assume this is OK with Prodigy since they didn't put a copyright
notice on the chat log. If Prodigy tells me to cease and desist, however,
the link will disappear.
I'm sending a copy to Mr. Happy, a.k.a. Frederic, so that he can update
his web page with the official chat log as well. His page is at:
http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy
I think his copy will be updated soon!
Don't forget, the webless or web-challenged can get a copy by e-mailing
me *off-list* and putting the word CHAT in capital letters in the subject
line. And if you got the incomplete log from me, you'll automatically
get the official transcript! No need to ask again!
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* Shrewthering info: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/shrew.html *
* "To paraphrase the Hair Club for Men guy, 'I not only compose the music *
* for the show, I'm also a fan...'" Fred Mollin *
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:33:20 -0700
From: Lisa Marvin <wyllow@n.......>
Subject: Re: Fox 59 in INDPLS, IN
Molly, I was glad to see that you contacted your FOX station in the
Indianapolis area, and that they intend to show FK through May 25, the
same as here in Denver! If enough people from all over the country
bug their local FOX affiliates then it might help with our overall
effort to save FK.
At least it's a relief to know that we'll probably get to see the
"last" 4 episodes.
Thanks for calling FOX - now I can assume that what I heard from my
local FOX folks was accurate!
Lisa M.
wyllow@n.......
"Whatever you are, be a good one."
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:30:22 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: OKC, Thanks
Nancy wrote to me privately:
>I don't know how far your hometown is from Oklahoma City, but I've been
>thinking about that awful tragedy. Has it really been a *year* already? Our
>hearts go out to everyone in Oklahoma.
>
I just wanted to share with the list:
Thanks Nancy,
Your wonderful. Tulsa is about 93 miles from OKC. I went to the bomb site the
day it happened and volunteered for two days at a local hospital with Red
Cross Nursinf Relief. The site was indescribably horrible. TV just doesn't do
it justice.
In OK, we have felt each of the days that past this year. it is heart warming
to know that citizens of this country care for us here. I did lose one close
friend, a nurse who I went to college with, during that disaster. Her family
and friends have been impacted in such a positive way from the support from
around the country. This is a truely amazing country to live in. We raise our
own terrorist, yes. But we nurture hearts capable of such generosity and
charity in times of crisis. I would not wish to live anywhere else on the
planet.
Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:46:08 -0400
From: Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject: Official Chat log
Hi all!
Just a quick note to let you know that thanks to Allison Percy, I've updated
the chat log on my FK page (http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm). If
you don't have it yet, you might want to go there and download it.
Also, I'd like everyone who was on Prodigy for the chat to email me and tell
me who you were. I know that two of you have mentioned it on the list
already, but I've lost your messages. If you were there but wish to remain
anonymous for some reason, I'd like you to tell me just that so that I can
indicate that you have replied but do not wish others to know who you were
on the chat. I want to put the information on my page so that those cryptic
names are a little more meaningful :)
Thanks!
_________________________________________________________________________
Frederic Ferland | Suppose you were an idiot. And
mrhappy@m....... | suppose you were a member of
http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy | Congress. But I repeat myself.
NatPacker & Perkulator (!) | -- Mark Twain
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:11:51 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Tracy and Vachon
I think Vachon is a leader, but an immature one. He is an orphan taking
care of other orphans. His own master disappeared almost immediately.
I don't think it's been established that Vachon is Screed's master. Maybe
Screed's master just disappeared also. Urs was abandoned by her father.
Tracy, whose parents are alive, appears to have pretty severe problems with her
father.
Vachon is protective of his orphans, but in an immature way. He attempts to
protect and help them, but he often ends up making mistakes.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:24:39 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK page on Sci-fi
>Overall, its a pretty
>good page. I haven't heard the sounds yet but I really liked Nick's
>portfolio:)
I really liked Nick's portfolio, too. I've often wondered what would happen
if Nick consulted a psychologist. ("Doctor, I've got these really terrible
guilt feelings.") Fan fiction, anyone?
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:40:22 -0400
From: Beth Hawkes <Seilidhe@a.......>
Subject: Re: Off-Topic Con Info
In a message dated 96-04-19 18:31:02 EDT, katygale@i....... (Kayla
Clark) writes:
> Glad to hear GWD's got a movie coming out.
I misssed this!!! What movie does GWD have coming out???
Seilidhe@a.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:21:01 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: TCI, Sci-Fi, and Dallas
Last night i was scrounging the web for any TCI info available. Lo and
behold, I found a group in Dallas who are in the same boat we are, and are
doing the same thing. I sent a message to one of the page owners, and he's
agreed to join forces. The web page is at http://www.tk.org/scifi2tci/, so
if you have access, check it out. Mail the owners (I'll get their addresses
up soon). We have support!
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:22:38 EDT
From: TORREY L HARRIS <Dona_Torrey@p.......>
Subject: I am back
Just a note to say I am back on the list < happy>.
I missed you guys.
Dona Torrey
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:25:43 -0700
From: AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Top Ten RL/FK
"I'm a good muppet."
Thanks to Alora, I now know why the list has been so serious, so stuffy,
so silent these past several days. I know where the laughter's gone. And I
hadn't realized how much I'd missed it, because I am so inherently serious
and stuffy myself (though silence is beyond my abilities, I'm afraid...).
After making three silly blunders on list in the past two days, I was
going to experiment with that "alternative lifestyle" known as Lurking in
an attempt to regain credibility... Until I realized that not one of my
blunders had been lovingly mocked... No one is playing. At *all.*
Unfunny as I am, here is my best attempt at a game. :)
--The Top Ten Real Life Things That Are Never Quite the Same After FK--
10. sunrises
09. drums
08. diVinci portraits
07. blood types
06. roses
05. radio talk shows
04. Ribena
03. lichen
02. trunk space
01. sunsets
Not to mention Frogs and Thongs! And did you know that, in dire
circumstances, Fruit-Punch Snapple can substitute for dilute Ribena?
Thank you. I feel much better now. :)
******* Amy, Lady of the Knight (AKR) r.......@w....... *******
"By an equally suspicious freak of temporal relastatics, it is nearly
always Saturday afternoon just before the beach bars close."--D.Adams
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:34:19 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: I'm back - PBS
At 01:52 PM 4/19/96 -0700, Cousin Priscilla wrote:
>Contrary to popular opinion, I have not died - I just went to Rhode Island.
Sorry, I live here and there's no difference!!
>I am still in RI on a contract, but after a month with no computer access,
I finally have my laptop and modem
>again.
So where are you in my "fair" state Cuz? Must be Providence/Cranston if
you're working on PBS.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:39:40 -0400
From: Chana Rossman <bonney@i.......>
Subject: Post your Votes
As far as I can tell, today is the deadline for casting
your votes on the People's "Beautiful People Poll".
Note: I just looked and *none* of our folks are up
there. I haven't voted yet. (I figured with the
crazy way their server recorded votes, I'd vote
at the last minute...and see if that made any difference)
So, if you get this message on Friday, April 19th
-- go vote.
Chana
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:01:07 -0400
From: Props Guy <PropsGuy@a.......>
Subject: more wardrobe
Before anyone gets flipped out over the Caftan issue, let me clarify: I
think GWD is one of the most handsome men in the world, but all bodies have
their flaws and a good costumer knows how to package things for the best.
I've heard that GWD himself has said a few humble things about his body-
lack of muscle tone, etc. But that's not the point.
When I first stumbled across the show (STF) what stopped me from flipping
channels further was how absolutely gorgeous I thought this man was and in a
completely non-boring, non-American way.
You ever watch an Italian movie and the hero has a big nose or he's not all
pumped up or he's over 40 but still, he's just stunning? And you know that
in Hollywood, he'd be relegated to character parts. Well, the first time you
see FK, you know that it's not filmed here in the USA. The faces are just
too interesting, nobody looks like a model, Natalie's a bit overweight, Nick
is not a pretty boy but a darn handsome man. The people are allowed to be
real, allowed to be characters.
I've been taking a Vampire film class for fun and the other night we got
around to discussing FK. Someone in the class (a woman!) said that FK never
grabbed her because she didn't find the lead Vampire sexy or attractive.
Hello????? She did think that the Vampires on Kindred were sexy enough,
however.
Now I haven't seen Kindred so I'm talking through my ear, but I can guess
that the actors are standard soap opera issue- pretty and fey, kind of
interchangable, the sort of uncomplicated (read: boring) beauty that is
derigeur in this country. So, please, please don't anybody think that I am
less than bewitched by GWD.
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:25:17 -0400
From: Props Guy <PropsGuy@a.......>
Subject: Oh Captain, My Captain
I loved Amanda Cohen and I miss her terribly. She was tough, strong, she
tolerated no nonsense and I think she had a neat sarcasm about her. She knew
that Nick is a loose cannon and she gave him some leeway, but she also knew
when to reel him in. And, she had a personal life. On television, they
rarely let a strong, professional woman have a personal life.
I got used to Stonetree, but in the beginning I kept thinking "What planet is
this guy on?" I think it had more to do with his vocal quality than with the
writing.
But I can't deal with Reese, especially in the early 3rd season episodes.
He's like a walking stereotype. Always at the water fountain, always
spouting on about serial killers or something. Always worried about keeping
Tracey safe so that he won't lose his job. "How come I'm the Captain and I
always get the dirtiest jobs?" Hey Reese, its BECAUSE you're the Captain!
Remember him gloating over the box of chocolates (bomb) in Black Budda,
telling a pretty disgusted Nick how it was necessary to suck up?
And how many times has he said to Nick, "Put out an APB" and Nick says "I
already have." He's really saying "I beat you to it, I think faster than
you, I'm better than you." Watching Black Budda, you can almost see that
Nick has no respect for this guy. Its gotten better, but even in NIQ when
Reese says to Nick "Did you ever think that guys like him (the criminal) are
the reason for guys like us?" And I'm thinking, "Oh no, not another stupid
soliloquy on how he doesn't understand the psycho-killer mind." Look at
Nick's reaction- he's like "Huh? What are you talking about?"
Contrast the clean, sharp, dignified authority of an Amanda Cohen with the
vision of this big, sweaty guy setting off a bomb because he couldn't wait to
wolf down the chocolates. Its a wonder Nick hasn't quit!
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:55:08 -0700
From: Uriona <suriona@w.......>
Subject: Re: Post your Votes
Chana wrote:
> Note: I just looked and *none* of our folks are up there.
I was just checking the page, too, and none of our people are on the
list, so please any and everybody on the west coast, where midnight has not
yet arrived, remember to go and vote! Thanks bunches :)
Stick around -- I'll be right back.
--Richie Ryan, HL Counterfeit part 2
----------Sara-----suriona@w.......----------
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 02:36:46 -0400
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Apr 1996 to 20 Apr 1996
Amy R. writes:
>I now know why the list has been so serious, so stuffy, so silent
>these past several days. I know where the laughter's gone. And I
>hadn't realized how much I'd missed it... No one is playing.
>At *all.*
Yes, it's true. The silliness has migrated to a private e-mail loop. As
have so many things, great and small.
The Saturday Knight Live loop was intended to supplement FORKNI-L, to give
any listmembers who wanted to join an additional playground to frolic in.
But I've found that there are those on the SKL loop who are there because
they do not feel welcome on forkni-l. Have not felt welcome here for some
time.
This does not make me happy.
Yet there were those who were unhappy with the state of the list even
before That Night, who felt there was too much trivial traffic and not
enough 'meat'. Some of whom left because *they* didn't feel welcome in the
conversations that were occuring on the lists.
Which group is right? Which group is wrong? If either? I don't know.
I've felt from the beginning that being an assistant listowner means much
more than nagging people about sig lengths or four-line quotes: it means
caring about the lists, and about the subscribers, every one of them. When
people are signing off the lists because they feel unwanted or because
they're just not enjoying themselves, it matters to me. When people are
unhappy, it matters to me. I wouldn't be doing this job if I didn't care,
deeply and sincerely, about the lists and their members and the futures of
all parties concerned.
The FORKNI list is growing, changing and evolving with each new list
member. It has to grow, it has to change; the alternative is stagnation
and death. To say that "the list is not what it used to be" and demand
that it return to the good ol' days is to close the door on the future, and
this must not happen.
On the other hand, if the list is to avoid utter chaos as it evolves,
certain standards must be adhered to. Quote and sig length rules. Staying
on-topic. Keeping private comments in private e-mail, keeping one's posts
to a reasonable length and number. Showing respect for others' opinions,
and for the traditions of the lists. These are reasonable things to
expect.
But there should be a certain amount of silliness. Of mirth. Of sly
mischief and jollity. Of off-topic mayhem. Otherwise, what is the point?
When there is a private e-mail loop for every subject, when each little
splinter group has its own venue for conversation... that conversation is
lost to the rest of the FORKNI group. And that's sad.
On the other hand, when every conversation takes place on forkni, there are
those who are too swamped in mail to bother with any of it, and must
abandon the discussions altogether. And that's sad, too.
What's the solution? I honestly don't know. I wish I did.
All I know for certain is that a lot of people are unhappy, and that makes
*me* unhappy, and there is no reason on earth why I should be unhappy when
I am ostensibly leaving in less than three days for Toronto...
I always thought we were family, here. I would hate to be wrong about
that.
--
------- Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......> -------
--------- Assistant Listowner, FORKNI-L ---------
-Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies-
------ Ask me about 'Saturday Knight Live'! -----
'We will make Mountain Dew come out of your nose'
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:44:02 -0500
From: Janice Cox <jancox@v.......>
Subject: Re: OKC, Thanks
At 09:30 PM 4/19/96 -0400, Carrie Krumtum wrote:
This is a truely amazing country to live in. We raise our
>own terrorist, yes. But we nurture hearts capable of such generosity and
>charity in times of crisis. I would not wish to live anywhere else on the
>planet.
Amen to that! I work for the Red Cross, and it's really amazing to see
people just come out of the woodwork when tragedy strikes. I'm in
California, and we had school kids all over donating their pennies, dimes,
and quarters (as well as their teddybears) to help other kids they'd never met.
To make this list related: for the next War, I've got the Red Cross
connections to get us into the blood banks. Let's take a vampire to lunch! ;-)
Janice,
The Odd Vaquera
jancox@v.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:25:56 -0800
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Nat's body
"Nat's a bit overweight," --excuse me--over whose weight? Ms. Disher
looks like a healthy woman who does not buy into body-size crap designed
to keep women from using their energies on truely important issues. Now,
onto your other points--yes, FK's actors are unique--they can actually
act. I believe that actors can be considered serious about the craft of
acting--i.e. actors, not stars--if they work or have worked in live
theatre. The skills are unmistakeable. Forgive me, I am not addressing
the main thrust of your comments--GWD is a good-looking guy.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:19:19 GMT
From: Misty Hamman <Misty_Hamman@s.......>
Subject: Oklahoma City-We Remember
One year ago, on April 19,1995 was the
first day of the rest of our lives. For some
of those close to us, it was the last. As we
struggle to make sense of what this event
means to our lives, it is as important now
as it was then, to come together and offer
our support and love to those in need. On
this day we mourn the loss of innocence
that was brutally taken away. In retaliation,
remember. Remember the children, the
parents, the brothers and sisters, the
daughters and sons. Tell those you care
about you love them. Say a prayer for
those alone. No matter how you choose
to show it,
Always Remember.
The bombing in Oklahomam City has
changed many lives. I just wanted to
say thank you to everyone on this list
for providing a place to go to get away
for awhile. There has been lately minor
disagreements that have in a small way,
threatened the fun of the list. Sometime
today, take a moment to be thankful
for what we do have-friends who
can make us smile and respect
our opinions, even if they don't
always agree. We've joked often
about the lists taking over our lives. I
am just thankful I have the security
and the opportunity to be able to participate
in something like FORKNI-L. Thank you.
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Misty Hamman "There is no fear in love;
Cust Service but perfect love casteth out fear."
Saxon Publishers, Inc -1 John 4:18
Misty_Hamman@s.......
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