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Digest - 18 Apr 1996 to 19 Apr 1996 - Special issue
Fri, 19 Apr 1996
There are 39 messages totalling 1069 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. LC's Roman name. (4)
2. Ger Prodigy Chat
3. Semi-complete Ger chat log available
4. Knight Confessions (Part 29)
5. Yes, again it's the People Poll
6. Uncle at Syndicon in Baltimore (fwd) (2)
7. New FK web page + GET LOG NOW!!! (2)
8. people poll (2)
9. innocent question
10. People Poll (2)
11. FK in San Diego
12. Ger chat on Prodigy
13. New biography of Bram Stoker
14. Uncle at Syndicon in Baltimore
15. Lonely...
16. Nick's Quest
17. Amanda COHEN in Flatliners
18. Nigel Bennett Novel
19. Vachon opinion
20. Captains
21. Roman names
22. Ger's Chat and "THose People" (3)
23. Knight Confessions et gibberish...
24. Ger's chat log
25. Want to annoy an evil cable co?
26. FK page on SciFi
27. TCI and Sci-Fi channel
28. FK in Chicago? (2)
29. Looking for Molly from B'ton
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:41:03 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: LC's Roman name.
>Did Romans *use* family names? Any Roman history buffs out there??
Well, I know there are more expert people out there (I seem to recall someone--
Lisa McDavid?-- doing a brilliant analysis) but I figured I'd throw in my $.02
before I toddled off to bed. I'll probably get part of it wrong, but I'm
counting on someone out there to correct me. :)
Yes, the Romans used family names. They also used patronymics (names that
indicate who your father is) In that respect, ancient Rome was rather like
modern Russia, where the name pattern is <personal (baptismal) name><patronymic>
<family name> So for example: Nikolai Lucienovich Brabant <g> is Nicholas, son
of Lucien, of the family Brabant.
In Latin, Decimus Junius Juvenalis is Decimus (which means tenth!) Junius' son,
of the house of Juvenalis. (He was a Roman emperor, I believe). The depressing
part is the women's names. Upper-crust Roman fathers frequently named their
daughters the female version of their name, followed by a number! So, if your
father was Julius, and you had two sisters, you'd be Julia Prima, Julia Secunda,
and Julia Tertia! Yuck!
As I said, I probably messed it up, but that's how I remember it....
G'nite!
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:05:03 EDT
From: MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......>
Subject: Ger Prodigy Chat
No, I couldn't get there either. And I've been on $P for 3 years.
You have to have Microsoft Windows, evidently, or some other form
of Windows, to be able to use the software for the Chat Rooms. (Grrrr. Now
I MUST get a computer upgrade...) And yes, $P is very confusing, as well as
expensive. I hope everyone had a good time!
The transcript will be available in a day or two, and if the
WebGoddess and Listowners have no objection, I'll try to post it to the list.
And Susan? Tell me off-list how much better AOL is... I have these
diskettes, y'see....
Christina vqrw76a@p....... Merc FoFoD Butterfly
Why can't I work somewhere that doesn't require a ID badge?
Why does Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle rule my life?
Where are the rest of my lightbulbs? Questions with no answers....
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:07:22 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Semi-complete Ger chat log available
Hi all --
OK, I have pieced together a log of Ger's chat but I *know* it's still not
complete because I remember one of my questions scrolling by the screen
and it's not anywhere in the log Nancy Hill and I have pieced together.
So those who are interested in the Prodigy chat log have two options:
1 - ask me for a copy now, knowing that you'll have to get a complete log
at a later date when someone else offers one or the official transcript
becomes available, or
2 - wait patiently for the full chat log to become available.
Knowing that you're an impatient bunch, I'll expect a few requests. <g>
If you want the pieced-together log from me, e-mail me *off-list* at
<percy91@w.......> and put the word CHAT in capital letters in
your subject line. I'll send the logs out tomorrow morning after several
requests have accumulated.
Just to keep you interested while you're waiting, here's another highlight:
> UTBALLET (Member Question)
> Are personal questions allowed? As in are you married, for how long
> and how many children do you have?
>
> Geraint Wyn Davies (Speaker)
> I am married. I don't know for how long and yes, I have two children,
> Galen and Pyper. Names that are Gaelic, but easier to say than mine!
Silly man! <g>
Don't forget -- chat log requests go to me *off-list* and put the word
CHAT in your subject line! (And if anyone has a complete chat log who can
offer that, terrific!)
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* Shrewthering info: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/shrew.html *
* "To paraphrase the Hair Club for Men guy, 'I not only compose the music *
* for the show, I'm also a fan...'" Fred Mollin *
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:16:27 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Re: Knight Confessions (Part 29)
>Subject: Knight Confessions (Part 29)
>
I told you guys I sent this once upon a time. This has got to be some sort of
a record. I send it and two days later it posts? I'm really confused now...
Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:43:31 -0600
From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......>
Subject: Re: Yes, again it's the People Poll
Only a few more minutes to vote. Let's be sure Ger and Catherine are there
when it closes. Note: You *can* put Ger in spot number 1, 2, and 3, if
you want (hint, hint)
http://pathfinder.com/@@AvgARxND4QAAQBS4/people/beauties/beautiespoll.html
--Sharon
--------Sharon Joy - A Forever Knightie - SJoy@u.......
There's a past and-----there's a past...
Go here: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:11:32 -0700
From: [Name removed by request]
Subject: Re: Uncle at Syndicon in Baltimore (fwd)
>>Does it really matter? After all, Uncle is a term of endearment, whether
>applied to Nigel or LaCroix.
Not to be naggy or anything :) but yes, i think it does matter - to a bit of
an extent. Most of us know the difference between Mr B and LC and can keep
them as separate entities in our minds but some others may not. And some
actors (i'd say most) would also like the public to keep them separate from
their roles. No big deal, i just wanted to say it.
>>(Should I be ducking and running from Cousins?)
Why, what did you do? Did you do something? Let me see your hands. Come on,
show me your hands... Wait, what's behind your back? Candice, would you be
so kind as to check... yes, that one with the innocent look...
>it. As far as running from the Cousins - well ya never know how THEY'RE
>gonna react to anything - they're so fickle!!
Now, who said that? Dotti, was that you? For shame! Yeah, you better retreat
quickly honey...
<insert Khachaturian's Sabre Dance here>
[Name removed by request]
All I have is what I might have been - Gavin Friday
Each man kills the thing he loves - Oscar Wilde (thanks, Kim :)
How can you trust someone who bleeds for 7 days and doesn't die? -BadGirlsWest
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:07:19 -0400
From: Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject: New FK web page + GET LOG NOW!!!
Hi everyone!
I'd just like to announce my new Forever Knight Web page. It's located at
http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy !!! Take a look and let me know what you
all think. I have a few pictures, a GAME I hope you'll like and of course,
links. However, you may also want to make a visit to get GWD's chat from
Prodigy!!! That's right! The log is on my page, thanks to Nancy A Hill! I
hear it's not complete, but I'm not sure about that. From what I can tell,
it appears to be complete.
I sent an email to Prodigy today regarding copyrights. Depending on the
answer I'll get, I may have to remove the log from my site, so if you want
it, get it ASAP!
So, again, the address is http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy. You may want
to take a look at my other pages, too :) Hope you enjoy what I did, and
please feel free to put a link to my page on yours!
See you all soon...
__________________________________________________________________________
Frederic Ferland |
mrhappy@m....... | Very funny, Scotty.
http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy | Now beam down my clothes.
Natpacker & Perkulator (!) |
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:26:53 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: people poll
Hi Marg,
Go to http://pathfinder.com/people/. Then, go to "what's hot." Then, go to
"Beautiful people poll." Sorry, for the roundabout path, but the exact url
to the exact page is too bloody long to remember.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:12:21 -0400
From: Lisa Wolters <MVRJasper@a.......>
Subject: Re: innocent question
Thank you to the folks who've responded to my query of how do you get there
from here (i.e., from TO to Montreal). The information will be useful.
And how do you set that "nolife" option for the Real World list again? I
need it, baaad... ;)
ObFK: Ger/Nick did *not* look bad in that shift in "Near Death." We have a
whole nuther fraction devoted to that particular piece of attire... we call
ourselves the See-Through Knighties. (I know Dotti and Lauren will join up!)
Lisa W. * MVRJasper@a.......
"Wish I had a big room somewhere, and they kept all
the time in there... All the time that got away somehow..."
--Lorrie Morgan
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:34:07 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: People Poll
Trisha,
Don't worry about the percentages. They have glitchy software. Just vote
and hope for the best.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:18:54 -0400
From: Jean Graham <JeanB7@a.......>
Subject: FK in San Diego
On 4-18-96 Cousin Russ wrote:
>Forever Knight is available on exactly one local channel in
>the L.A. area (and one in San Diego [Channel 6, but I don't
>remember what time] [in San Diego, that is]).
Actually, it's on ch. 51/cable 9 here in San Diego, Sat. nite/Sun. morning at
12:05 a.m. This is several notches better than being on ch. 6, which despite
having landed the local FOX affiliation, has always been a terrible channel.
(It transmits from Mexico and is rife with signal-loss problems, interference,
etc., and it cuts [make that butchers] programs unmercifully.) I'm soooo
glad that they DON'T have FK.
Speaking of cutting, you also said that USA cut FK? (Whimper) How much?
Please give me a few specific examples of what was cut?
Is anyone else on this list in the San Diego area, besides moi?
--Jean Graham
__________________________________________________________
"Sometimes a majority simply means that all the fools are on one
side." --Anon.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:36:18 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: People Poll
Hi Lisa,
Go to http://pathfinder.com/people/. Once at the main people mag table of
contents, go to what's hot. Then, go to beautiful people poll.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:28:39 -0700
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <elewis@u.......>
Subject: Re: LC's Roman name.
At 8:00 PM 4/18/96, Allison Percy wrote:
>Did Romans *use* family names? Any Roman history buffs out there??
Ahem. Romans generally used a family name (Julius), a... um, I don't know
what the technical term for this is, but their father's name (Gauis) and a
cognomen (literally, name known by) (Caeser).
Lizbet~*~*~*~*~*~*~Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild ~~ elewis@u.......
~~ Lizbetann@a....... ~~ Ravenette of the New Order ~
Knightie/NatPacker/N&NPacker with Cousinly tendencies and the faintest of
leanings toward Vanquera-ism ~~ Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw ~~ Listowner, Middle
Ages Life ~~ http://members.aol.com/Lizbetann/mypage.html
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:20:50 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: LC's Roman name.
>I think Lacroix's full Roman name was: General Lucius
>And you didn't leave out the General part if you wanted to live. <g>
I always thought it was, Yes, General Lucius, Sir, Thank You For Letting me
Live Another Day To Bask In Your Glory, Sir. But that's just a shot in the
dark...
>Did Romans *use* family names? Any Roman history buffs out there??
I dost believeth they did. I've seen several references to Roman family
names in my book of names. Wasn't Julius Caesar the Pincushion's real name,
not a title? They may hhave also used the father's name as a surname
sometimes. That was common way back when.
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng * Charter of the
Unnamed
Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
...And starring Patrick O'Brien as Satan.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:49:07 -0700
From: Tara Housman <amprsand@s.......>
Subject: Re: Ger chat on Prodigy
Susan M. Garrett <susang@v.......> wrote (regarding GWD's Prodigy chat):
> They posted one question I know for certain would
>never have been passed along on AOL, which is half why I asked it. Ger
>seemed more attentive at this chat (then again, he <was> bowling through
>most of his last AOL chat) and was very open and honest with his answers.
Don't leave us hanging in suspension (as the chemist said), Susan! What
WAS the question that would never have been passed along on AOL?
-&&&
-Tara Housman (amprsand@s.......)
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To find out how you can help, visit:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:22:22 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: New biography of Bram Stoker
>At 03:42 PM 4/18/96 -0400, Linda wrote:
>
>>ObFK: I think Uncle can give Count Dracula a run for his money.
And Dotti responded:
>I agree - I think Count Dracula would leave the country after running into
>Uncle.
Only if he survives.
Tee-hee.
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:23:41 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Uncle at Syndicon in Baltimore
>Ducking, but not running - Knighties do not run!!! They retreat with honor!!
In other words, they run.
<standing my ground, mainly due to the large glob of gum I'm stuck to>
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:27:44 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Lonely...
Carrie whimpered:
>Am I the only one NOT at the Chat with GWD on Prodigy? It's kind of lonely
>out here all by myself. Oh well, guess I'll just have to go work on my fanfic
>somemore... <heavy sigh>
I wasn't either, blame school, blame lack of sleep, blame ignorance. Blame
my IRC program for just last night deciding to work :S. Don't worry:
there's always transcripts, and cons...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:41:55 -0500
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
> I don't think we see a flashbaxk of Nick's search for *whatever* that
>dates back much before the 1800's (The ep with the very "Frankenstein" lab
>where the doctor asks Nick to bring his grilfriend over, I forget the name,
>but it's 3rd season).
Let No Man Tear Asunder. I want that lab!
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix * Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter Unnamed * Member of the Cold Shower Sisterhood * SKLed
phoenix@i.......
**Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!**
George the Plastic Bat loves you.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:10:25 -0400
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Amanda COHEN in Flatliners
4 people have e-mailed me telling me that I meant to send that post to
HIGHLA-L, and I DIDN'T!!! I meant Amanda COHEN, Nick's Captain. Is the same
person who plays Amanda Cohen the doctor in Flatliners? (No I don't mean
Amanda the Immortal!!!) Thanks to anyone who can anser me :-)
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
Seducer, CO-CFW for Evil
MacLeod, Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:47:04 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel Bennett Novel
At 06:30 PM 4/18/96 -0700, Denise wrote:
>
>
>I was fortunate enough to hear NB read from his upcoming novel this last
weekend at SyndiCon.
Lucky, lucky you!! It sounds like a really cool book (and what else would be
expect from Mr. B?)
If you have a chance to see NB at a con, take it! You will
>not be dissapointed. I have been to a lot of cons, and this was a true
highlight . He is a great guest, you will really enjoy yourself!
>
Believe me, you won't have to ask me twice - I certainly will!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:22:58 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Uncle at Syndicon in Baltimore (fwd)
At 05:11 PM 4/18/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>Not to be naggy or anything :) but yes, i think it does matter - to a bit
of an extent. Most of us know the difference between Mr B and LC and can keep
>them as separate entities in our minds but some others may not.
That's true, but that's part of a greater question - do we all have to worry
about a few coconuts?? That's right up there with "Should we show violence
on tv coz there's a few who think they should go out and do it?"
And some actors (i'd say most) would also like the public to keep them
separate from their roles.
THAT's a fer sure, and I certainly can't blame them. And I don't think any
of us would have any problem talking to the actors and calling them by their
real names when doing so. And, I guess since a couple are on this list folks
are kinda touchy about it - but I just think it's not something that should
be taken so very seriously.
>No big deal, i just wanted to say it.
This is true, and I'm not mentioning it anymore. I was just trying to keep
the peace - and ofcourse you have every right to say what you feel. It makes
perfectly good sense. Actually, you have the right to say what you feel even
if it doesn't make any sense!!! :)
>
><insert Khachaturian's Sabre Dance here>
And now for my next impression - Jessie Owens...(whooosh)
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:23:03 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: New FK web page + GET LOG NOW!!!
At 01:07 AM 4/19/96 -0400, Frederic wrote:
>
>http://mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy !!!
"Mr. Happy??" Do you realize I almost lost my coffee when I got to that
part? Do you know that is a widely used nickname by guys for a part of
their anatomy?
I just screamed when I read it....you had to know!!!!
(giggle, giggle, giggle)
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:23:08 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: LC's Roman name.
At 02:20 AM 4/19/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I always thought it was, Yes, General Lucius, Sir, Thank You For Letting me
>Live Another Day To Bask In Your Glory, Sir. But that's just a shot in the
>dark...
>
ROTFLMAO -Loudly - Susan - (giggle) Don't you know it!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:25:14 GMT
From: Karen Parker <horcgal@u.......>
Subject: Vachon opinion
Ive just read the post by Jayel. Now "that" is a very interesting point of
view into the character. I can't say that Ive heard an opinion like it. On
some points I do think I hve to agree with you. Such as rescuing Urs and
keeping her as an "immortal doll" or something like that. Until now Ive
never really thought about it, but yeah, he does kinda toy with her. In a
way he keeps Urs around the Raven like a little arm decoration until Miss
Tracy comes in.
Then again thats kinda typical for men, at least the ones "I" meet!
Not that Im Vachon bashing, Id never do that. I really like the character.
But I think Jayel had some valid points.
Karen
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:40:24 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Captains
They never said what Cohen's ancestry was. At various times we did see
pictures of what looked like her family. One was an older couple, probably
her parents, both of whom were Asian. Another was supposed to be her
daughter, also Asian or possibly half-Asian.
My theory was that Cohen was a married name, but we were never told
that, either.
Personally, I was bored by Cohen much of the time because the writers
never did enough with her. Nigel Bennett said at some con that Natsuko
never got a chance and I think she was right.
As for my favorites, I like Reese, but the larger-than-life (in more
senses than one <g>) Stonetree is still my favorite.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:01:39 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Roman names
Believe it or not, this is a complicated subject. On second thought,
of course it's complicated. I'm involved with it. <sarcasm off.>
Diane Echelbarger is close -- thanks for the compliment, Diane, I'm
still blushing -- but remembers incorrectly about the patronymic.
Romans not only had family names, they had a three name system of
names for individual men's names. We'll get to women in a moment. You
have to know about men's names to understand about Roman women's.
I'm going to use Caesar as an example: Gaius Julius Caesar.
The first element was the praenomen. This is the first name, the man's
given name. There were only a small number of praenomena in use by
LaCroix's time. Lucius is a praenomen. It has to be the character's
given name.
Gaius was Caesar's praenomen.
The next name is the nomen. This is sometimes referred to as a family
name, but actually it's the name of the gens (something like a Scottish
clan) to which the indvidual belonged.
Julius was Caesar's nomen. He was a member of the gens Julius.
The final element is the cognomen. Originally this was an individual
nickname. Some cognomena became hereditary among the descendants of the
original bearer of the nickname. (Rather like Scottish clans again:
e.g., MacDonald of Glencoe and MacDonald of the Isles.) To complicate
matters, sometimes later cognomena were still the nickname of the
individual. It was possible to have more than one cognomena.
Caesar was Caesar's cognomen. In his case, it was an heredity cognomen
which designated his branch of the Julians.
So, Gaius Julius Caesar means Gaius of the gens Julius's branch Caesar.
Women's names originally seem to have been the name of the gens for
the oldest, followed by numbers for the later daughters. Caesar's only
daughter was named Julia. If he had had a second daughter, her name
would have been Julia Secunda (second.)
By the time of the empire -- which is when Lucius/LaCroix was a mortal --
women's names had stopped following a set pattern. The nomen in a
feminine form was still used, but most women also had a praenomen,
which came from a larger pool than the men's. Sometimes a woman's
name might be a combination of her mother and father's nomena, e.g.
Julia Valeria (a one parent from the gens Julius and one from Valerius.)
There was no set order in a woman's name.
Note: the nomena were not used as personal names for women outside the
gens. Divia was illegitimate, so we can *NOT* conclude that Lucius's
nomena was Divius.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:27:27 -0400
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Ger's Chat and "THose People"
Oh, brother -I tell ya - is there some way we can get our hands on the
people who cause these problems and give them lobotomies?
I just read Ger's chat over on Mr. Happy's page (I just love that name) and
wouldn't you know, the first thing out of his keyboard is his concern over
the lunatic fringe who can't separate the character from the actor.
What is it with these people? Where do they come from? I simply can't fathom
anyone ANYONE going up to Ger or Nigel or Adrian or Leonard Nimoy or ANY
actor and expecting to have a conversation with a character on television.
It just doesn't register in my brain cells that there could be someone
walking around on two legs that simply cannot separate the two. I
personally have never met one (thank God or there'd be one less person
walking around). I have met a lot of insufferable, grabbie, "I'm their fan
and I made them famous so they have to make me happy" type of people - all
of which I've let know exactly how stupid I think they are - but for the
life of me I have never met anyone who has said "I'm gonna get Spock's
autograph" and truly expect to see the name "Spock" on his paper. Anyone
over the age of 8 anyway.
My God what a scary group of people this must be, and how incredibly scary
to be on the receiving end of this. I mean, there's these people who think
they're the first one to say stupid things like "Hey, what are you doing in
the sun?", etc. but these are generally just folks who think they're funny.
My first name is Dorothea and you shoul hear how many stupid "Oz" jokes I
get and they all think they're the first one to ask where my ruby slippers
are...
Paul Darrow tells a story of a kid about 8 years old who passed him on the
street, came back to him and said, "DOn't worry, I won't tell anyone that
you're really Avon but going under the name of Paul Darrow. They'll never
find you." I mean it's funny when it's a kid, but damn scary if it's an adult.
I dunno why I'm even rambling about this..maybe I'm hoping that if there is
anyone like that on this list maybe they'll wake up and smell the coffee?
C'mere lemme slap you upside your head.....How dare you jeopardize the
fun/comraderie and interaction between normal fans and the actors who
provide such pleasure to us by being so stupid? Actually, I find it hard to
believe that any of these people are on our lists, could be, but out of 900
people I suppose you have to expect a looney tune here and there. No wonder
everybody flinches here when someone inadvertently flips a character name
with an actor's name - I still think it's a shame you have to worry about
it, I keep trying to see that all of us are normal, well adjusted people -
but, I guess better safe than sorry. What a shame....I wouldn't want anyone
to think I'm nuts just coz I might slip and write "I'm gonna see Nick in
Toronto" - as a matter of fact, I've said that to people I know here in town
coz they may like the show, but they're not totally aware of the actor's
name, so if I say "I'm going to see Geraint Wyn Davies in Toronto" they'll
look at me and go "Who?" So, if I just say Nick they'll get excited.
Look at this, I've gone all serious and stuff and made a huge message -
sorry - but this just freaks me out so much! Okay, gang - enforce the list
to write the correct name if you feel it will weed out the "reality
impaired" ones and stress to the actors that we do indeed have no problem
with our realities. Whatever makes them feel better.......people are scary
aren't they??
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:57:15 -0400
From: Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Knight Confessions et gibberish...
Okay, being an idiot doesn't necessarily make me a bad author. It does,
however make it hard on my readers. I have finally found out what I did
wrong. Long story. Why I did it right for so long and then began making a
dumb mistake only proves that I'm an idiot. Any way, if anyone wnats a
'clean' copy of part 33 of KC, please e-mail my off list. It's yours if you
accept my apology.
Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:48:53 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Ger's chat log
The chat log I've sent out to several people is essentially identical to
the one on Frederic's, a.k.a. Mr. Happy's, web page. Just some
formatting changes. His page is at:
http://terminal1.mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm
Webless people, worry not: I'll still mail this incomplete log to anyone
who e-mails me *off-list* with the word CHAT in capital letters in the
subject line.
And *yes*, both of our logs are *incomplete*. There is at least one
question that scrolled by the screen that is not included in the
pieced-together logs. The question about "Trilogy of Terror 2". I know
that other stuff at the beginning must be missing, too.
So look for the official transcript when that becomes available. I'm not
positive, but I suspect it will become available at the Pseudo Celebrity
Chat Archives:
http://pseudo.com/ponline/pontran/archive.htm
Bye now,
Allison
percy91@w.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:18:52 EDT
From: Margie Gillis <MGILLIS@c.......>
Subject: Re: Want to annoy an evil cable co?
E-mail is definitely the way to go with this company. I've actually
gotten responses from them about this. I've been sending them a
polite little message every couple of months about this, and the
response keeps getting better. It started with "sometime in 1997."
The reply to an e-mail I sent a couple of weeks ago was "mid-1997,"
but was followed by a phone call (!) telling me I'd be connected by
January 1997. I'm assuming that with gentle persistence I've gotten
myself put at the top of the list, since it takes about 6 months for
them to upgrade an entire town. Unfortunately, they're only upgrading
one town at a time, so the time frame will depend on where you live.
ObFK: I was watching Dying to Know You again (finally!--thanks
Kathryn!) the other night and almost fell off my couch laughing when
Nat said to Nick: "This is the 20th Century--we don't believe in
demonic possession anymore."
Margie
mgillis@d.......
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Want to annoy an evil cable co?
Author: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@p.......> at Internet
Date: 4/18/96 8:48 PM
Yes, my local cable company _thought_ they were evil...<snip>..they just
made _one_ mistake...they got an e-mail address:
malden@t........ This address _should_ cover everyone in eastern MA
with Time-Warner Cable...<snip>
<snip>
Angel 0:)**mstangel@u.......**Pam in the "real world"
*"Mommy" to Daniel E:X3 & Sarah the vampire kitten EX:3=
Go see MST3K: the Movie, premiering 4/19/96, hopefully at a theatre near you!
E-mail malden@t....... and tell them we want the Sci-Fi Channel!!
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:16:58 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: FK page on SciFi
Hi,
For those that haven't seen it yet, the FK page is up over on the SFC web
page:
http://www.scifi.com/fknight
The photo gallery contains the 3rd season cast photo and the 2nd season and
a nice solo shot of Catherine Discher, all downloadable ( is that a word?) <G>
Enjoy!
Annmarie
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:57:07 -0400
From: Chaya-Baila Adler <cbailaa@t.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Chat and "THose People"
Hi all!
At 09:27 AM 4/19/96 -0400, Dotti wrote:
>Paul Darrow tells a story of a kid about 8 years old who passed him on the
>street, came back to him and said, "DOn't worry, I won't tell anyone that
>you're really Avon but going under the name of Paul Darrow. They'll never
>find you." I mean it's funny when it's a kid, but damn scary if it's an adult.
(For those of you who are interested) I've sent a reply/addendum to Dotti's
original post to the fkspoilr list 'cuz I had to reference a spoiler
protected episode. Most of it, however, has nothing to do with the episode
in question (I kinda rambled a bit) so the thread can really be brought back
here.
have a gr8 weekend
chaya-baila <cbailaa@t.......>
keeper and proud FFFROGgie and SKLer: finally, a faction I can sink my teeth
into!
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:46:42 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: TCI and Sci-Fi channel
Hey, guys!
I must have more influence than I thought... ;)
I called my local TCI office (greater Madison, WI area) two weeks ago, and asked
when they were gonna get SciFi. Answer "we're adding some new channels in June,
but we don't know which ones yet."
Well, on the front page of the paper today, they announced that TCI is *adding*
SciFi (among others!). So now I have to sign up for cable. I promised I would,
if they'd add SciFi....
Guess they didn't want to mess with one of the NATPE 7, huh? <g>
OBFK-- anybody want to discuss Amateur Night? I'm trying to re-motivate myself
to finish a "Bye-Bye, Schanke" story I started between seasons....
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:20:00 -0500
From: Patricia Bozis <prmb@i.......>
Subject: FK in Chicago?
Anybody from the Chicago area know when WBBM will show the last four eps?
I have called and left messages and even sent e-mail to no avail. You can
e-mail me privately.
Patricia Bozis
prmb@i.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:18:07 -0400
From: Stuart Drucker <sdrucker@p.......>
Subject: Re: FK in Chicago?
On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Patricia Bozis wrote:
> Anybody from the Chicago area know when WBBM will show the last four eps?
> I have called and left messages and even sent e-mail to no avail. You can
> e-mail me privately.
>
> Patricia Bozis
> prmb@i.......
>
Starting next Saturday, I think. By the way, does anyone also know
whether Chicago Cable plans on carrying the Sci-Fi channel?????
Stuart Drucker
sdrucker@p.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:47:05 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: people poll
I thought yesterday was the last day of the people poll. It's still up and
you can still vote. GWD is not listed, but CD and NB are. The address is
http://pathfinder.com/people/. Go to what's hot and then beautiful people
poll.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
NatVampCamp/FoSiL
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:36:15 -0500
From: Trudy Timkovich <ttimkovich.bme@a.......>
Subject: Looking for Molly from B'ton
Sorry to take up bandwidth, but my messages to Molly from Bloomington keep
bouncing back to me. If she could please contact me.
Thanks, Trudy
ttimkovich.bme@a.......
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:33:06 -0400
From: Cal <calm@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ger's Chat and "THose People"
On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Dotti Rhodes wrote:
> What is it with these people? Where do they come from? I simply can't fathom
Some of them are on college campuses. Trust me on this one. I teach.
> anyone ANYONE going up to Ger or Nigel or Adrian or Leonard Nimoy or ANY
> actor and expecting to have a conversation with a character on television.
> It just doesn't register in my brain cells that there could be someone
> walking around on two legs that simply cannot separate the two. I
They are out there. They look normal until you happen to say something
that does not mesh with their theory of what is real and what is pretend.
> personally have never met one (thank God or there'd be one less person
> walking around). I have met a lot of insufferable, grabbie, "I'm their fan
> and I made them famous so they have to make me happy" type of people - all
> of which I've let know exactly how stupid I think they are - but for the
> life of me I have never met anyone who has said "I'm gonna get Spock's
> autograph" and truly expect to see the name "Spock" on his paper. Anyone
> over the age of 8 anyway.
There's a whole big parents-of-autistic-kids lunatic fringe out there too
-- I bailed from one list because I was starting to get worshipful type
fan mail (no shit) and threats that I 'owed' the parents all sorts of
stuff that I couldn't give (like explanations about what their kid was
thinking) -- who can't separate myth from seteriotype from reality with
respect to autistic adults. One started stalking me. I figure it has to
be *a lot* worse for famous actors than for someone like me, but even so I
hesitate every time I accept a speaking engagement at a conference, or
agree to meet a parent face to face or even post over on PA:.
I was always pretty respectful of privacy but I'm a lot more so now. On
ANI-L there have been debates about Raun Kaufman (who says he isn't
autistic now and most people don't believe him) and Bill Gates (who has
never said anything but people think he is). I find that sort of
discussion very disturbing. Particularly Gates, since Kaufman is at
least semi-public in his proclamations.
> My God what a scary group of people this must be, and how incredibly scary
> to be on the receiving end of this. I mean, there's these people who think
> they're the first one to say stupid things like "Hey, what are you doing in
> the sun?", etc. but these are generally just folks who think they're funny.
> My first name is Dorothea and you shoul hear how many stupid "Oz" jokes I
> get and they all think they're the first one to ask where my ruby slippers
> are...
I often disagree with what other people think is entertaining, but, yeah,
there are folks who don't have everything all screwed on straight. And
I'm very glad nobody really cares about logicians.
But even the Geneva Centre blurb was disquieting. On the basis of that
alone, the parental lunatic fringe may hunt me down in Toronto. And
frankly, the political disagreements between me, Thomas, and Donna (as
well as the differing views on what constitutes appropriate sexual
behaviour) mean that there are already some *scheduled* tense moments in
that conference.
> Paul Darrow tells a story of a kid about 8 years old who passed him on the
> street, came back to him and said, "DOn't worry, I won't tell anyone that
> you're really Avon but going under the name of Paul Darrow. They'll never
> find you." I mean it's funny when it's a kid, but damn scary if it's an adult.
Yeah, anyway I agree with you here, that it's spooky. But I'm telling
you, it does happen.
(One of the weirdest was a lady who wrote to me telling me I was a
special guy and it was so great that I had made it all the way to
college, and she hoped her son would be just like me some day and she was
glad she and I were so close. I did not respond -- I didn't feel like
telling her it was grad. school, not college, and those sex change
operations can be hell.)
Cal * calm@a....... * http://members.aol.com/ewwfod/incoming
Wanton Forces of Infinite Destruction
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