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Digest - 16 Apr 1996

Tue, 16 Apr 1996

There are 32 messages totalling 786 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. <No subject given> (2)
  2. Fatal Mistake, Human Factor
  3. ie vampires in oklahoma
  4. Aussie Fans:John Kapelos sighting
  5. Curioser and Curiouser (2)
  6. Everything I Needed to Know...
  7. Police Captains
  8. Fourth-Season Eps
  9. All I need to Know I learned from Shakespear (2)
 10. Wardrobe (3)
 11. Word from PNElrod on book with Uncle
 12. Seeing Nick in Flight
 13. Episode Order (2)
 14. CD Order
 15. Fourth Season Eps.
 16. How much does Nat know? (2)
 17. Nick a Baptist?
 18. Baptizing Nick
 19. Police Captains and Hamsters
 20. Nick biting Marian
 21. Looking for Seattle Listers
 22. Amanda Cohen
 23. Up, Down, Flying Around
 24. The music, the music
 25. OIY!


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:15:11 -0400
From:    Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: <No subject given>

>Subject:Science Fiction Channel
>O.K.  You guys who have access to this channel are responsible for taping
>and distributing reruns to all of us FK addicts, or we will D.T.
> simultaneously
>and come after you.

I absolutely will be willing to tape for you guys. I'm one of the few, the
proud, the FK feed rich! I have a local syndie who is pretty faithful with
original airings, the USA channel which is not, and the SciFi channel which
had better be!!

Guess I'll go buy out my local WalMart of blank tapes now...

Carrie, Proud Knightie


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:21:08 -0400
From:    Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Re: Fatal Mistake, Human Factor

>>Nick just needs the right woman to make him relax.  We'd start with
>>a full-body message...
>I'll wrestle you for the opportunity, Tanya!!
>Dotti R

Okay, I'm taking the bets on this one. Odds are as follows:

Dotti 1:2
Tanya 1:3
Nick  1:200


Carrie, Proud Knightie


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:05:55 +0200
From:    Katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject: Re: ie vampires in oklahoma

there be no holy water in oklahoma, this is a baptist state (at least
that's what great many baptists think) and they belive holy water is
something the cathlics made up. Still, it wouldn't be that bad to be a
vampire in oklahoma, since one of the favorite things to do in this state
is to get drunk, if you fly, the locals will simply think their seeing
someing. Yes the summers would be a bummer, but think of the long dark
winters. ALso, there is hardly anyone living here. Somehow though our
state is full of very creative people, for some very strange reason. Also
plenty of cows in case anyone gets hungry.
Fellow okies, please don't murder me! I've just read all the sat. night
posts, and went mad for a moment.
My local media club is having a minicon on sat. any one want information,
e-mail me, we will be showing canadian fk!


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:48:40 +1000
From:    Deanna Czarnuszewicz <deczar@p.......>
Subject: Aussie Fans:John Kapelos sighting

For Aussie fans with cable access: I saw John Kapelos in a movie last week
'Deep Red' on the Showtime channel (channel 3) it will be repeated on Friday
26th April at 8.45am. Also stars John DeLancie(for ST fans). John Kapelos
plays a police detective who teams up with an immortal. Sounds familiar :)
 A member of our Brisbane group of Forever Knight fans, Jill Craig is
conducting a survey of Australian fans favourite Forever Knight episodes. As
well as being informative the results of this survey will be helpful to our
group when preparing our presentations at local conventions. (We have one
such presentation at a Babylon 5 convention in three weeks.

If you wish to be part of the survey, please E-mail me privately and I will
send you the questionaire and a comprehensive episode guide that Jill has
prepared by snail mail or E-mail.

Many thanks for your time

Deanna Czarnuszewicz  deczar@p.......
for The Brisbane Group of Forever Knight Fans.


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:41:34 -0400
From:    Rebecca Howle <jhhowle@e.......>
Subject: Curioser and Curiouser

Ok, now I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this or not. Remember when Nick
walked into the bar and it was a panning shot of him. They walked past about
4 people sitting and drinking. One of them had a huge hat on his head (I
assumed he was the mad hatter) I didn't get a good look at the other people,
but I'm sure they were probably more characters hidden in there somewhere.

Hotel Goddess for the Shrewthering, Dark Knightie-all the fun of liking Nick
without all the guilt and angst. Co-owner Blue Meanies


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:03:38 -0400
From:    Nancy McCaskey <mccaskn@p.......>
Subject: Everything I Needed to Know...

1.      Never try to show your inner self by getting naked.

2.      If you kill someone, make sure they're dead.  Otherwise
        they show up cranky later.

3.      Walk softly and carry a big, pointy stick.

4.      If you're ever lucky enough to host a radio talk show,
        use an airname so the weirdos won't show up at your
        house later.

5.      Blood is thicker than (holy) water.

6.      Characters with pale skin and yellow eyes are not restricted
        to "Star Trek: the Next Generation."

7.      Vampires who prey on humans can be a REAL pain in the neck.


              Nancy McCaskey   mccaskn@p.......
            Baba Carouche is in the hoooooouuuuse...


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:21:00 PT
From:    Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: Re: Police Captains

Have to agree with Dotti.
I thought Cohen was *BORING*, One-dimensional,monotonous, useless.
I liked Stonetree because he had emotions and great stories.
But Reese is my favorite. He's witty, quick on his feet, a *good* cop <G>
andcaptain, knows and admits that he's brownnosing when he does, advises
without bullying (like Stonetree), and he really cares, it's not just a
job to him.
Reese or Stonetree are the perfect captains and I would like to see one
or the other when we finally push them into a 4th season. :-)

Tami LaFrank                   : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette     :
Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : His hair glistened in the rain like
"Come in, relax. We're dying   : like nose hair after a sneeze.
   to prolong your life"       : Stupidity *should* be painful!


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:36:11 GMT
From:    Karen Parker <horcgal@u.......>
Subject: Re: Fourth-Season Eps

Oh, I like the idea of expanding on the Carouche society. I always wanted
them to go into that more and develop some characters.
Also like the idea of a boyfriend for Nat. That would make for some
interesting story lines between the new beau and Nick. Nick would have to
face up and tell Nat "hey, I kinda like ya.....etc." Instead of hinting and
There's certainly not a reason to bring back the show for a 4th season due
to lack of material is there?



Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:01:38 EDT
From:    Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: All I need to Know I learned from Shakespear

5) Nicholas, oh Nicholas, where art thou Nicholas?  Refuse thy master
and bite me on the neck
4) All the worlds a feast, and we are but family
3) I look to bite, if looking biting move
2) Out, out, damn spot, out I say (I bet that's been said ALOT)
1)But hark, what light through yonder window breaks?  It is the East,
and oh-my-god here comes the sun!


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:32:48 CDT
From:    Bruce Rawitch <brucer@i.......>
Subject: Re: Wardrobe

Sandra Gray wrote:

I mean, geez, the guy wears a t-shirt, a regular shirt, a vest, a
jacket, a *coat*.  Modesty is one thing and there may be something
to be said about "peeling back the layers" ;), but he *never
peeled any of them back*.

Something that you have to keep in mind about Nick and his sense of "fashion"
is that for the first 7+ centuries of his 'life', he would have worn all of the
layers listed above, and maybe a few more....  I'm sure that he must feel
practically naked in just jeans and a t-shirt, and by the standards of dress
for most of his existance, he would be.  Just take a glance thru a good history
of costume book for the period of 1200 to say, 1900-we are all terribly under
dressed by the standards of the previous centuries. You can take the boy out
of the 13th century, but you can't take the 13th century out of the boy....



Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:46:07 -0400
From:    "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject: Word from PNElrod on book with Uncle

Folks, I just got this today form Pat Elrod about the bombshell
we got word of concerning her new book. People who went to
SYNDI-Con probably heard this, but for the rest of you, this
is what she sent me this afternoon.

Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette, gjwalli@m.......
Keeper of the First Unofficial FK Home Page at

----- Begin Included Message -----

>From pnelrod
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:09:22 -0400

[personal note snipped]

If you want to add anything new to your page the bombshell has been dropped
at SyndiCon in San Francisco this last weekend.  The one about Nigel Bennett
and I writing a vampire book together, that is.  It's called KEEPER OF THE
KING, and we're almost finished with it and hoping for an October release.
We share equal writing credit (he gets top billing, and I don't mind) and
have done equal writing on it.  Actually, he's done a bit more than half the

He gave readings from it at the con and it was pin-drop hearing time in a
packed room.  The fans LOVED it!  Any questions I'll answer as time allows,
but the full skinny is in my fan club newsletter.  Memberships are
10.00/year, 12./yr, overseas, US funds.  Quarterly newsletter (a big one!)
autographed button, "bloodstained" membership badge and more as we think it
up.  Sample issue $2.50.  Checks to: The P.N. Elrod Fan Club, P.O. Box
000000, Xxxx Xxxxx, XX 00000.

[more personal stuff snipped]

Thanks so much!

P.N. Elrod

----- End Included Message -----


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:56:18 -0700
From:    Frisson <frisson@i.......>
Subject: Re: Seeing Nick in Flight

I have always thought that the reason Nick doesn't "register" with people
when he flies if because he moves to fast.  Therefore, all people see is a
streak of light or something like that in the sky instead of a humanoid.
Maybe that explains some UFO sightings.  They were Vampires. ;-)

Ok, I know we clearly see him  flying in the first season, but we also see
him vamp out when others don't , we hear the heartbeats when others don't
and FK is predominately Nick's POV.

Schanke and the TV reporter (forgot her name,) saw Nick when he was in their
direct line of sight and they were focused on his individual movement.  He
also slowed down and stopped in their presence.

Make sense?



Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:08:40 -0400
From:    eugenio lobaina <elobai01@f.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Order

> All right, I'm feeling like the Sci-Fi Channel people and it's a bit
> embarrassing...  Sandra informs me that the numerical order of the
> second-season episodes bears no resemblance to the order in which they
> aired/occurred.  "Crazy Love," for example, is second-season's #13, but it
> was the finale...?

I am delurking after a long time to pose my thoughts on the matter. I am
also curious as far as the correct order. A few weeks ago when the list
of remaining 3rd season eps was posted, it was stated that Francesca and
Ashes to Ashes were going to run in a different order than they were
produced. This was because one (can't remember which) was a lead-in to
Last Knight. In that case I think it doesn't matter what the production
schedule for 2nd season was. The correct order was the order we got, with
Crazy Love being last. I am sorry if this was discussed during the second
season but I came to the list during Black Buddha. (no flames please.)
Anyway since things have been a little slow I think we can discuss this.
It is important because we want to be sure that Dominion has the correct
order, even though he should know since it's his job. I have not seen a
web page that has the airing order, only the prod order. Anyway, please
enlighten us. I will shut up now. Discuss.

Gene  <elobai01@f.......> <http://www.fiu.edu/~elobai01>
Lacroix: What's this feeling I sense in you?
Nick: Shame!
Lacroix: More than that! Fear? Fear in the fearless, weakness in the
omnipotent! It is a vestage of your former self, it is meaningless.


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 05:13:56 -0600
From:    Dirk Giles <DPGILES@n.......>
Subject: CD Order

Well the FK CD arrived yesterday; one week after ordering it.  I guess paying
 the extra dollar for First Class helped some.  And all I had to say to my wife
 to explain why I had ordered it was: "Hey, it's Forever Knight!".

Socrates - Failthful Raven

Watcher of the Vampire Ferrets

(Dirk Giles - dpgiles@n.......)


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:39:31 -0400
From:    Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Curioser and Curiouser

At 10:41 AM 4/16/96 -0400, you wrote:

>but I'm sure they were probably more characters hidden in there somewhere.
Okay Rebecca, you've got me crazy. I am not ffwding and watching C & C. I'll
get back to ya.

Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:55:21 EDT
From:    Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: Fourth Season Eps.

I think we should get a mortal boyfriend for Nat too.  Then,
Nick could go be an immortal 'ho, trying to get back at her.
(BTW, I volunteer for any and all scenes for this.  I mean, I could wear
wigs and nobody would even know.)


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:30:41 -0500
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: How much does Nat know?

 AKR wrote:
>I have a feeling that part of
>his problem is that he does *not* bare his soul to Nat, or anyone else.

I think that's true. I think "Crazy Love" dealt with that problem, to some

>Do you suppose that part of the reason she's been unable to
>cure him is that he's holding out on really revealing the depths and
>desires of his condition?

Hmm, maybe.  I keep wondering whether or not the creative minds behind
Forever Knight have an idea about what would cure him.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:07:47 CDT
From:    L'Phantom <jrarmstr@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick a Baptist?

Here's the thing from my POV...  My basic religious ideas are something along
lines of, "I used to be a Baptist, but I got better." :)

*If* Nick repented of his sins, whether or not he was a vampire, regardless of
how many lifetimes he has lived, regardless of everything in his past; if Nick
repented of his sins and promised his life to some God or other (God, Allah,
whatever), then he's redeemed.  Period.  No questions asked.  That's what
redemption is.  The total absolution of sin, regardless.  There is no way to
make it to whatever heaven he may believe in by doing enough "good" to
outweigh the "bad."  Remember the thief who was crucified next to Jesus.  He
repented of his sins; he never "repayed society for his sins"; and yet Jesus
said, "This day you will be with me in paradise."

Isn't that good news for our favorite angst machine?  All you really have to
do is say, "I'm sorry and I won't do it again," and that's it.  You're saved
and redeemed.  Forever.  And even if you are a creature which the Bible says
is evil (the Bible, incidentally, which was written by *men* who presumed to
speak for God; whether or not they actually did will never be known) if you
repent and ask for redemption, you'll get it.

Until next time, I'll be watching...
Cousin Erik (Le Phantom de L'Opera)
jrarmstr@b.......     //   http://bsc.edu/~jrarmstr/
"Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they *aren't* out to get you."


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:11:16 -0700
From:    Abby <albrecht@s.......>
Subject: Re: Baptizing Nick

On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:

> Ahm, if I remember correctly, Baptists don't bless items the way Catholics
> do, and certainly the Protestant denominations don't use Holy Water.
Actually, Lutherans are protestants and they used water that has been
blessed for baptisms... it's been a while since i went through
confirmation so i can't remember where the water is from, but, at least,
at my chuch, the water would burn the heck out of nick.

> So Nick would not react to the water of Baptism if he'd gone so far
> as to decide to become a Baptist.

abby -- Mercenary of the Knight
albrecht@c.......   Down the hall  lThe first Merc Knightie
eponymous2@a.......       Turn right!    lDDEB3, Duchovniks, NLEB, and more


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:04:42 -0400
From:    Lisa Knust <lmknus@m.......>
Subject: Re: Police Captains and Hamsters

        Did anyone every notice that really stupid looking hat that
Stonetree wore in DK,  you know The one that seemed to be too small for his
head?  Just a random question.
        Also, to everyone who is trying to get the Sci-Fi channel-Don't
give up!  It took me about 2 years of periodically reminding my cable
company, but eventually they got it.  Not that I'm there to watch it
anyway.  Oh well!

Lisa Knust
"For the Blood is the Life..."


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:30:35 -0700
From:    AKR <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Wardrobe

On Tue, Bruce wrote:
> Something that you have to keep in mind about Nick and his sense of "fashion"
> is that for the first 7+ centuries of his 'life', he would have worn all of the
> layers listed above, and maybe a few more...

That's a good point, and it reminds me of something I thought when I first
saw "Blackwing."  On the Spirit Path, Nick appeared just as he does now, in
modern dress.  Because of the way the others appeared there, I found Nick's
appearance very significant.  I assume that it is the true self, or at least
the true self-image, that defines the physical form on that plane.

Thus, Nick's self-image has kept pace with the times; the person he is now is
the person he believes himself to be.  We know that, on some level, he is
still Nicholas de Brabont, Crusader, but he has adapted amazingly well to era
after era, culture after culture.

Some weeks ago, we discussed what qualities LC was looking for when he chose
Janette and Nick for his Family.  I think that one extremely valuable
quality, which both have demonstrated, is that adaptability, that willingness
to define a self that is part of time without being consumed by it.

*** Amy, Lady of the Knight  (AKR) r.......@w....... ***
* Be Kind to Hamsters -- Observe the Four-Line Quote Limit *


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:14:00 -0500
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Order

AKR wrote:

>Sandra informs me that the numerical order of the second-season episodes bears
>no resemblance to the order in which they aired/occurred. I'd really like to
>know the proper order.

I would also like to know the proper order, assuming there is such a thing.

Sometimes things are produced in an order that has nothing to do with the
order in which the events depicted are "really" supposed to have happened.
On the episode guide I've seen, a lot of the second season eps don't have an
air date listed. Does anybody have the correct air-dates for the second
season? For that matter, did Tristar air the second-season in the order the
eps are "really" supposed to have happened, or did they just air them in
some other order for some reason of their own?  Is there someone connected
with Forever Knight who has the definitive word on the order in which the
episodes are supposed to have happened?  I'm not talking about the
flashbacks here, just the events in the present.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:17:23 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick biting Marian

I wrote:
>For *that* kind of disposal of what she had taken from Nick to be
>possible should be enough evidence that Nick would have needed to
>bite her for her to transfer it back to him (she wouldn't have been
>able to bite a *rock*, after all :) ).

That should have read "Nick *wouldn't* have needed to bite her".

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:17:18 -0400
From:    Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: All I need to Know I learned from Shakespear

At 12:01 PM 4/16/96 EDT, Tanya wrote:
>5) Nicholas, oh Nicholas, where art thou Nicholas?  Refuse thy master and
bite me on the neck
>1)But hark, what light through yonder window breaks?  It is the East, and
oh-my-god here comes the sun!
ROTFL - now if only all Shakespeare were this funny!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:29:04 -0400
From:    Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Wardrobe

At 11:32 AM 4/16/96 CDT, you wrote:
>Sandra Gray wrote:
>I mean, geez, the guy wears a t-shirt, a regular shirt, a vest, a
>jacket, a *coat*.  Modesty is one thing and there may be something
>to be said about "peeling back the layers" ;), but he *never
>peeled any of them back*.
But do you notice in the Canadia eps there was almost always a scene where
he was lounging around the loft, in his robe, that was almost always open,
as the day's events were being replayed in the background? You always saw
some skin there....those I miss!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:45:04 +0100
From:    "Kennedy, Jean" <jkennedy@m.......>
Subject: Looking for Seattle Listers

Leslie Remencus and I have the good fortune to be attending a technical
communications conference in Seattle between 4 to 10 May, and we would love to
meet some local FKers! (We're from Maryland.) If anybody's interested in
getting together, please e-mail me off list! Days are mostly booked, evenings
are mostly free.

ObFK: When does the show air out there? We want to make sure we don't miss a
new ep!

Cousin Jean <jkennedy@t.......>
"Would that she were a less annoying woman." - LaCroix


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:17:02 -0600
From:    Dorothy Elggren <delggren@e.......>
Subject: Amanda Cohen

----- Begin Included Message -----

>From owner-forkni-l@p....... Tue Apr 16 05:22 MDT 1996
Date:         Tue, 16 Apr 1996 04:25:13 -0700
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Police Captains & hamsters
To: Multiple recipients of list FORKNI-L <FORKNI-L@p.......>

At 01:06 AM 4/16/96 -0400, Carrie wrote:
Jackie writes

>in Curiouser an Curiouser really made me wonder why TPTB hadn't used her
>more often than to just bark at Nick and Schanke about being on time and
>their reports.  Her role could have been beefed up to no end -OTOH -
>imagine if Amanda Cohen knew the truth about Nick?
>        Ever wonder what her reaction would be----?

When I think of Cohen, I always think of Hunted.  There is this classic
Cohen look in Hunted where Nick and Schanke ask her if they can go
undercover, and she has this ...blank... look.  I suspect that same
look would be her initial reaction to finding out about Nick.

There's probably more to Cohen that we see, and her... er "blank" exterior
look is probably her way of coping with crisis.  Never let them see
you sweat, or something like that.



Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:52:22 -0700
From:    Elizabeth Ann Lewis <elewis@u.......>
Subject: Re: Up, Down, Flying Around

At 5:22 AM 4/16/96, Lisa McDavid wrote:
>For the second season, the producers decided that the blurred take-off
>and landing effects were better looking.
>Personally I agree, because I think Ger had a point about the first
>season shots where you saw the characters flying in long shot. It did
>look like a disoriented fish. :)

Also that weird arm-spread.  I kept expecting Nick to flap his arms or
something... ;)

Lizbet~*~*~*~*~*~*~Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild
Ravenette of the New Order--Knightie/NatPacker/N&N Packer with Cousinly
Sympathies and faint leanings towards Vanquea-ism
"Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw"--Passion is the will to be
Listowner, Middle Ages Life


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:27:31 -0700
From:    Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: How much does Nat know?

On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Kim Bjarkman wrote:

> Well, he didn't tell her about having a master until DK, when he'd
> been working there about 2 years (if Only the Lonely is meant to occur
> the same year as well as season), so he doesn't reveal things very

I think it has only been just over a year in DK; in a later 1st season ep
(can't remember which) she mentions knowing him for a year and a half.

> quickly.  But I get the impression Nat doesn't want to know.  She is
> focused on the present.  She wants him to be, too.  In NiQ

That isn't my impression. I think she's just giving him time, until he
feels comfortable about it; not pushing. The line in DK: "Don't you think
it's time we talked about the others?" indicates to me not a reluctance
to know, just a reluctance to *push*.

> ... when she sees evidence that he knew a prominent
> figure from the past ... she seemed to roll her eyes, like, "Here we
> go again."  I didn't have the feeling at that

Oh, I didn't feel that at all; and she certainly wasn't that way 1st season,
since she seemed pretty impressed that he knew Joan of Arc in "For
I Have Sinned." In that one I felt that it was *Nick* who didn't want to
dwell on "Famous People I Have Known", with a kind of "get over it" look.

> moment that she'd spent many an evening with head rested on chin
> looking mesmerized and asking Nick to talk about his fascinating past.
> Just my impression.

Isn't it funny how the same show can give us different impressions? I
think that's precisely what she'd like to do, and it's Nick who resists
nattering on about himself. I've always had the feeling that he tells Nat
*a lot* more than we viewers ever get to hear! And when did you every
meet a man who *didn't* like talking about himself (VVBG)



Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:21:36 -0400
From:    Linda Simon <lsimon@h.......>
Subject: The music, the music

(Alright, you're a sympathetic group, right?)
I've just experienced the rush of receiving the CD in the mail, and
friends-----I don't own a CD player. I mean to buy one, but I am so ignorant
of anything techie, and I've made so many diappointing purchases.
Can someone recommend a portable CD player? Perhaps if you just let me know
if you have had a BAD experience with any particular brand....
Thanks ever so,
Linda Simon
NatPacker and chocolatiere
"I'm a treat-the-disease kinda gal myself." Nat


Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:38:23 -0700
From:    Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: OIY!

On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Kathy L wrote (re: torturing TCI Cable):
> I do!! We've been trying (in vain) to get them to carry SFC here in
> Tucson for *years* and they keep putting us off by saying 'we'll add your
> name to the list.'  Yeah, right.  Where's Uncle when you need him?

This is why I dropped the suckers and went further into debt for a
satellite dish. A SciFi employee at the San Francisco World Con a few
years back said TCI *won't* add any new channels they don't own a piece of,
and USA won't sell pieces of SciFi. Unless things have changed at TCI
(and since they've got the same CEO now as they did then I don't think
they have) then there probably isn't a lot of hope.

Does ANYONE with TCI have the SciFi Channel?

ObFK: here's something for the "everything I learned..." list:

        Watch what you eat; they may come back to get you
          (like Alexandra, Serena, Jack the Ripper...)
        Do not flashback and drive.
        Speak softly and carry a big stake.



Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:37:43 EDT
From:    Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: <No subject given>

Nick isn't a Baptist.  I believe Nick is agnostic.  He has a difficult
time reconciling the concept of God propogated by the conversative
group(ie hellfire and damnation) with the concept of God as a loving
diety.  Recently, our society has experienced a turn-around in religious
values.  Many denominations, realizing they were approaching "Phariseeness"
by following the letter of the law, havereconsidered their stance and have
begun preaching about God is love.
Unfortunately for Nick, he lived through the hellfire and damnation
era/century, and hence has the bad taste of guilt in his mouth.The thing
about guilt is IT IS AS GOOD AS WHAT it can bring about.  If it brings
about repentance, then good.  But after that, it becomes a liability.  Even
most preachers admit this.
Nick's guilt is unwarranted, but being a survivor of a conservative Baptist
family, I well understand his need to spiritually punish himself for all the
evil he has done.
But again, after 800 years, you figure he would have worked through that.
I personally think Nick needs to go to a shrink.  He is neurotic as hell.


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