FORKNI-L
Digest - 31 Mar 1996 to 1 Apr 1996 - Special issue
Mon, 1 Apr 1996
There are 38 messages totalling 1012 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. First Season Questions and Thoughts
2. I Will Repay - Janette and Nick
3. LaCroix's Family (long) (2)
4. That Other Show (4)
5. Screed and other stuff
6. BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer (3)
7. Nick's Quest (4)
8. Factions (2)
9. MiSTiAngel! and YKYB...
10. New Episodes
11. Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial) (4)
12. Cut scenes
13. Vachon Questions (2)
14. Beta readers, please!
15. WARM FUZZIES FOR NETSCAPE 2.0
16. Flaming Tracy/Sizzling Vachon Drink
17. more on carouches
18. Bringing someone across, time machine
19. Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart? (2)
20. Who's the master?
21. Late nights
22. That Show & Time Travel
23. Hand/Thing/Glove: A Theory
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:46:13 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: First Season Questions and Thoughts
I'll watch it again tonight. Maybe I did miss something
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:50:44 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: I Will Repay - Janette and Nick
Okay, that must be a Canadian version. That scene is nowhere on my tape.
Thanks Katja!!
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:46:19 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:51:16 CST Wicked One wrote:
>And just when did Vachon take this famous shower?
It was in "Black Buddha" part 1. He took a shower at Tracey's apartment. Best
I remember he came out of the bathroom with just his jeans on and dripping wet
hair. Jasmine has a still of this on her web page in the episode guide
section. Also there was a scene in "Fever" when Vachon comes to Nick asking
for help, and Nick looked like he had just come out of the shower. His hair
was wet and he had a towel around his neck, but he had his robe on (DARN IT!!!)
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
A non-factional FK fan
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:11:28 -0600
From: Cheryl Angelroth <cangel@o.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show
What Other Show? Yes I am in the dark but I haven't heard of a new vamp show.
C Angel
Milwaukee Vamp Connection
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:32:32 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Screed and other stuff
Re my wish that Screed had subtitles, Suze wrote:
>Later, I watched that scene through again, with the Closed
>Captioning on - instant sub titles.
Closed captioning is a godsend to those of us who don't hear as well as we
should. But even *with* it, I still can't translate everything Screed says
into modern American English. Without Vachon's translation, would anyone
have known that "Jacks, Jills, even sweet baby Janes," meant friends,
enemies, even lovers? Screed is a cool character, but I wish I had the
annotated version of his dialogue <g>.
Stephanie
Vaquera who appreciates Vachon's translating
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:28:16 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
At 05:47 PM 3/31/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Now here's my own question about BMV -- In the scene where Nick shows Fleur
>the truth, Nick throws Lacroix against the wall and says:
>"Please,Fleur! Listen to me! I DO NOT regret what I am . . ."
>Did Nick mean what he said? Was he happy with being a vamp at that moment or
>just faking it for some reason?
Oh, I think Nick rather enjoyed being a vampire at first, perhaps not all
the time but at least a good amount of it. We've seen evidence of that
before. So, for the moment, he was okay with it.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:14:34 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Dann Lunsford wrote:
> impression that Nick's quest for mortality has been a *long* one, that he
> started having doubts early in his immortal state. Yet I've seen comments
> on this list that indicate just the opposite, that he only recently (last
> 100 years or so) came to this quest.
The impression I've gotten after marathon-watching the first two seasons
is that for the first 600 years or so he waffled - he was a happy
bloodsucker some (most?) of the time, but he had periods of self loathing
and desire for mortality.
So, which is it? Was there a
> crucial episode in his "life" where it became clear to him what he
> had to do, or was it simply something that creeped up on him?
But at some point in the 19th century, the latter feeling began to
dominate. But he still has periods when he apparently lived fairly
contentedly with Janette and LaCroix - during some of WWII (Father
Figure), for example.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:40:33 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
At 06:39 PM 3/31/96, you wrote:
>
> Was there a
>crucial episode in his "life" where it became clear to him what he
>had to do, or was it simply something that creeped up on him?
>
You know that's a good question. I believe, being the good Catholic Nick
was, there was always that nagging guilt where he always had a second
thought - but I also believe because of LaCroix's constant teachings, he
pushed it down and enjoyed being a vampire for a while. I don't remember
seeing a particular episode where one night it just smacked him in the
forehead - but it appears he started to have grave misgivings somewhere in
the 19th centurty or even a little earlier (looking at certain episodes), so
it does appear to have creeped up on him. He has stated that he has not
taken a human life in over 100 years so he's been a good boy for at least
that long--except when necessary like during WWII and in 1966.
Unfortunately I too have missed a few first season eps so if there's more
concrete evidence of exactly when he decided he was being a bad boy is
there, I missed it.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:43:38 -0600
From: Cheryl Angelroth <cangel@o.......>
Subject: Factions
I am new here but I used to watch the show quite frequently. (Although I
don't know what's going on lately.) But my question about the list is about
Factions. What are they? I don't quite understand.
C Angel
-Milwaukee Vamp Connection
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:25:53 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Nick's Quest
Most people date the beginning's of Nick's quest for redemption to his
meeting with Joan of Arc. Although those who have seen the Canadian version
of Dark Knight are aware that just after being brought across, Nick tells
LaCroix that he wants to go back to being mortal, then falls into the swing
of things when he realizes that won't work. In the "Curiouser and
Curiouser" flashback (Yes, Nick DOES have flashbacks in the middle of
delusions and we should all be so lucky), we get some insight into the fact
that even before Joan, Nick was feeling so guilt about killing.
It wasn't until he was tricked into killing Sylvaine in "I Love You To
Death" (approximately 1880+) that we get the feeling that Nick has sworn off
killing and traded human blood for cow. Throughout first season, we're told
that Nick hasn't killed for about 100 years. This is later contradicted in
at least one second season and a couple of third season episodes, but you
can easily justify Nick's killing in those circumstances if you tilt your
head sideways and squint real hard at the moon (in the belief that Nick
looks at the world through guilt-colored glasses).
"The Weekend With Ger" is an event put on by Ger's fanclub in which Ger
meets with his fans for a couple of days. Generally, it's an informal
question and answer, sign things session, an auction, and a breakfast.
Auction money and most function money goes to Ger's charity, Children's
Hopsital. It's not a convention, just a thank you from Ger to his fans and
a way to raise some cash for the kids.
The above shouldn't be taken as a promotion (as that should be done only by
list-authorized people), just an explanation. If you want a promotion,
check out my post about last year's weekend. It's limited to 100 people and
this year is being held in *gulp* Thousand Oaks, CA.
Regards
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Faithful BRUNETTE Ravenette, because somebody STILL has to.
Visit THE essential webpage for Forever Knight info at:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:47:34 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show
Dotti writes:
>What is so different about "them" and FK that they get
>all this great press and we practically had to beg to get any kind of
>coverage for FK?
Two reasons: FOX network and the fact that the show is being done by
Aaron Spelling (I bet). FOX apparently likes to get more promotion
for their shows (FOX shows get written up in even in TV Guide). And
Aaron Spelling is considered a big deal in the showbiz world. And there
could be a possible third reason: the show will be on in prime time.
Maybe if USA had put some more effort into trying to get FK some more
publicity, FK might have gotten better ratings for them. But maybe USA
doesn't have the clout of FOX.
I intend to watch Kindred because I have an interest in vampires (and
V:tM too). How it will compare to FK though...
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:03:30 -0800
From: April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......>
Subject: Re: Factions
Cheryl Angelroth wrote:
But my question about the list is about
> Factions. What are they? I don't quite understand.
I'm sending the info.
--
Cousin April -- the Ninja Babe with an attitude
Born to make normal people's lives a living hell.
aruskin@e.......
"Geesh, you guys are worse than the kids I work with."
Me, from "The Ninja Babe vs. Uncle"
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:22:16 -0500
From: Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject: Re: MiSTiAngel! and YKYB...
On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......> wrote
> YKYBRTMFK-LW...
>
> ... you leave a job interview having quite possibly brought
> across your interviewer...
WOW!!! That is one approach I have never tried myself (although I have
discussed FK casually with a head-hunter or two ;^)= ). If you (or anyone)
have any luck with it, PLEASE let me know! I need all the help I can get.
Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <ag775@f.......>
Home Page: http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag775/home.html
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:35:41 -0500
From: Carmen Perry <cperry@e.......>
Subject: New Episodes
The note below came from the vampyres list, just wanted to share.
Carmen
From: Cecily <D020214@u.......>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 15:46:49 EST
Subject: [VAMPYRES] FK schedule
New episodes (the last four produced) for FK are tentatively
scheduled as follows, according to the information I have:
4/22/96 319 Jane Doe
4/29/96 321 Francesca [dir. Nigel Bennett]
5/06/96 320 Ashes to Ashes
5/13/96 322 Last Knight [dir. Geraint Wyn Davies]
Incidentally, Nigel Bennett won a Gemini, the Canadian equivalent of
the Emmy, last month for his portrayal of LaCroix.
Ashes to Ashes tells us what became of Divia, who brought LaCroix over.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:07:38 -0500
From: Chana Rossman <bonney@i.......>
Subject: Re: Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial)
Sandra Gray on Sons of Belial
>I didn't consider that scene to be controlled vamping out. I think he
>was tempted to feed on Nat. I saw the green eyes as the first step to
>*vampire* seduction of Nat, particularly when you add his tone of voice.
Well, if that was just the first step, I can see how it might work.
If I were Natalie...ah heck, I'd be a vampire (or dead) by now. :-)
<Heavy happy sigh>
One thing that has always bothered me about Sons of Belial (other
than seeing GWD's fillings...) is the easy manner in which the
priest was whammied by LaCroix. Here is a man who deals with
pure evil on a regular basis. One would suppose he had a fairly
high tolerance to "suggestion". Yet one look from LaCroix and...
Anyway, I just didn't think that fit.
Back to Digest Mode...
Chana
Knightie * Natpacker * Nick&Natpacker
*I have been one acquainted with the [K]night *
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:36:25 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Quest
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Dotti Rhodes wrote:
> it does appear to have creeped up on him. He has stated that he has not
> taken a human life in over 100 years so he's been a good boy for at least
> that long--except when necessary like during WWII and in 1966.
I get the impression that when Nick says he doesn't take human life
anymore he's leaving out the words, "for food", because as far as I can
tell he's killed a whole pile of people, and I don't just mean the
Resistance traiter. He tosses the bad guys like twigs and they seem to
land pretty permanently, if you know what I mean. He killed the guy who
kidnapped his own wife and daughter. He killed the serial killer in Dead
Air.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:40:38 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Cut scenes
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:54:02 -0500 Jean Graham wrote:
>Is there a comprehensive list of all the scenes cut out of the U.S.
>versions? Is it archived anywhere? Somebody please point me...
Me too, me too.
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:40:45 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show
I just had a silly thought. We could see if Aaron Spelling could back FK. Oh,
no , wait a minute, what did I just say. I take that back. I didn't mean it.
Please don't send you know who after me.
But seriously, get the idea. If money is the problem......
Let's not be to hard on "The Kindred". Who know's it might turn out okay. *IF*
FK is doomed, I have to have an alternative. Not all of Aaron Spellings shows
have been bad. Even though some of us may not have liked "Dallas", "Dynasty",
"All in the Family" (just to name a few), the were successes as far as the
Nielsen's are concerned.
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Non-factional/fractional FK fan
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:47:11 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon Questions
> From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
>
> >1) Vachon had been involved in Native American affairs
>
> It was in Blackwing. Tracy goes to see Vachon after he appeared on TV saying
> the Native American claim to a land deal is valid. He has a flashback and
> tells Tracy that he was one of the signers of the letter that gave the Native
> American's rights to the land in question.
Actually, it was a treaty between the Mississauga people and the
King of England, granting rights to land in Upper Canada, attached to
which is a surveyer's letter (of later date? or earlier? I forget) which
certifies exactly what the boundaries of the land were. Vachon actually
signed the treaty, but Tracy doesn't find that out til the very end of the
episode.
Did anyone ever figure out what the glyph/icon was that Vachon
drew next to his name? Anyone ever ask Ben Bass?
Vachon tells Tracy he fought in the Native American/settler wars
for "seventy years, on and off;" Gillian Horvath, who wrote the script,
dated those years from about 1720-1790. The treaty was dated in the 38th
year of King George III's reign, if memory serves.
>
> >2)Is there anything cannon about where Vachon was from 1750-1850.
> > I need to know.
cannon is what goes boom. canon on Vachon til 1790 is Upper
Canada; after that, whereabouts unknown until he turns up in the
Northwest in about 1880.
> Well in "My Boyfriend is a Vampire" he has a flash back of he, Screed, and
> another vampire named Bourbon rolling in the hay with some barmaids.
> From the clothing, it appears to have been perhaps 1700's or very early
> 1800's. Don't know about the place.
actually, clothing sets it around 1650, as I recall --
doublecheck with Alikhat for best accuracy. There's some other clue that
puts it in that era, but I don't recall what. Screed's slang in that
flashback could be anywhere from Elizabethan to the beginning of
Hanoverian. The place looked to me like Southern Spain, because it
looked like there was Moorish influence in the arches in the background.
> There was also a flashback in "Hearts of Darkness" that showed how he met and
> brought across Urs. That would most definitely fit the time period you
> mentioned. Again place uncertain, but I assume since Urs wasn't speaking with
> a European accent it was probably the U.S. or Canada.
Alikhat dated this flashback positively at 1879 or 1880 based on
the particular bustle Urs was wearing, which apparently was fashionable
only for that very brief period.
So that leaves Vachon footloose and fancy free from 1790-1880,
roughly. Good luck with the fic!
Laura/Apache
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:39:05 EST
From: MS IDALIA KAKESAKO <NPYF15B@p.......>
Subject: Beta readers, please!
Hi, all! I need some beta readers.
I actually wrote a serious story. <FKFIC-L members gasp in
shock.> And I want some feedback on it before I inflict it
upon the masses over there.
I've run it through the spell-check, but sometimes it misses
things, you know. Plus I just want some general opinions, as
far as the story's worth (or lack thereof), trueness to the
characters, etc etc.
It's a Nat (or N&N) piece, based on a song. And be warned,
it contains SPOILERS.
If you're interested in doing this, then please privately e-mail
me at the address below, NOT the one I sent this note from.
Thank you much!
Idalia Kakesako
<IdaliaK@p.......> my address for FKFIC-L
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:52:57 -0500
From: Donna <hozdmb@r.......>
Subject: Re: WARM FUZZIES FOR NETSCAPE 2.0
At 12:36 PM 3/29/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Yep, you got it. It's the new, improved version of the Warm Fuzzies Page
><http://members.aol.com/immajer/warm/fuzzies.html>
Just checked it out in Netscape and it is really cute. Good going.
Thanks,
Donna Burns hozdmb@r.......
Diehard, FK, Highlander, ST, B5, X-Files, L&C, Sime/Gen, Pros, S/H, DS
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:51:39 -0500
From: Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: Flaming Tracy/Sizzling Vachon Drink
Margie Said
>> Somebody did it recently about Vachon, but Vachon has lots of defenders.
Lady Amy said:
>Oh, dear. That might have been me
And I suppose If you didn't mean her you meant me. I said "The only
thing at all intriguing about Vachon is the hapenstance that he is a
Vampire." And yes, the Spanish Sizzler does indeed have a lot of
defenders. But if we Cousins took a tizzy every time somebody
expressed a similar *opinoin* about dear sweet LaCroix, the list would
be a dangerous place to dwell, indeed. Flaming is uncool, but opinions
do vary.
Sizzling Vachon:
Lots ofSangrea
Lots of151 Rum
Don't measure, leave the bottles nearby.
Stir with severed hand.
Serve flaming, recipient can douse the flames by creating a down-draft
by batting thier eyelashes. .
Serve with crusty bread and Spanish olives stuffed with anchovies,
because, *you will be hungry* after Sizzling Vachon. <veg>
Reason #37 not to Flame Cool Career Barbie....uhm, I mean Tracy:
Dacron/Polyester melts. (See OtL for reference)
Brutal Cousin Karies, eagerly awaiting the Sparking LaCroix
SoulDebris@a.......
"Pain looks great on other people, thats what they're for." Andrew Eldritch
(Sisters of Mercy)
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:55:17 -0600
From: We Two <gebbie@e.......>
Subject: Re: That Other Show
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Kim Ivey wrote:
> have been bad. Even though some of us may not have liked "Dallas", "Dynasty",
> "All in the Family" (just to name a few), the were successes as far as the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"All in the Family" was done by Norman Lear. Hey, if" Kindred" turns out to
be as hilariously trashy as "Models, Inc.", I might watch. (There, now you
know one of my guilty pleasures). I helped kill *that* show, too. In fact,
the only show I liked that isn't dead yet is "X-Files". Go figure.
-Deb Martin
gebbie@e.......
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:58:46 +6
From: Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: Re: more on carouches
On 31 Mar 96 at 6:48, Wicked One wrote:
> In Blind Faith Nick called Carouches "a lower form of
> vampire" -- but they are vampires nonetheless. It's like, umm...a
> lorus is a primate, but it's not as "evolved" toward humanhood as, say, a
> chimpanzee. But a lorus could still call itself a primate.
On the subject of carouches JP said, "The carouche is simply the lowest of
the low. Societal outcasts. The bottom feeders who exist on the fringe
feeding on animal blood."
From this and the fact that we have seen Screed feed on human blood (in
the flashback with Vachon and Bourbon - can't remember the episode), I
believe that carouches are sort of the vampire equivelant of street
people. You know...the ones you see walking down the street pushing a
shopping cart loaded with trash bags full of god only knows what.
Don Fasig ---,-<@
phase3@g.......
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:01:02 -0800
From: Dee Davidson <dmd@a.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing someone across, time machine
Jamie M.R. wrote:
>NOBODY DIES. NOBODY EVER DIED.
I'm for this idea as well.
Cousin Candice wrote:
>In truth, I think our Wars REQUIRE that all of the
>characters be "alive"...<snniiiiip>
But of course, as a cousin I would like everyone to be alive that way there are
more characters for us cousins to torment and such:)
Forever!!
Dee Davidson *Cousin * Valentine *
dmd@a....... http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/
******************************************
"If you think I tormented you in the past my little friends, wait
until you see what I do with you now!" Q
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:07:20 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon Questions
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Apache wrote:
> Hanoverian. The place looked to me like Southern Spain, because it
> looked like there was Moorish influence in the arches in the background.
Well, though I make no claims to familiarity with the type of
architecture, I didn't think it was Spain simply because when that guy
was hassling Urs and Vachon threatened to kill him if he ever touched her
again (which was also kinda sweet...if a tad barbaric), after he finished
he asked the guy: "Compri?" (sp?) Which is French, not Spanish. To which
the guy responded, also in French, "Oui."
But who knows...it's not as though no one ever crossed the border, but I
just didn't think if was Spain.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker: yes, I am *both* a Nick&NatPacker & Valentine
Who is also anxious about being e-mail deprived for a whole day while NYU
switches hosts on me.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:20:11 -0500
From: colin paddock <Claudius@n.......>
Subject: Re: Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial)
At 11:07 PM 04/02/1996 -0500, you wrote:
>priest was whammied by LaCroix. Here is a man who deals with
>pure evil on a regular basis. One would suppose he had a fairly
>high tolerance to "suggestion". Yet one look from LaCroix and...
>Anyway, I just didn't think that fit.
I don't think the priest was whammied. Let me explain, the priest spent his
whole life beliving in God, the devil, and everything like that. Knowing
that vampires are real, just validated what he has spent so long beliving,
namely, that the devil and god exist. I think LaCroix pretended to whammy
him just for show, and didn't really try.
Of course, Lacroix is so old and powerful that he can do just about
whatever he wants to do. So....
Cp-
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:32:16 -0500
From: Cousin Candice <winter@j.......>
Subject: Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart?
Me here:
Ok, so I lied, I'm sitting here bantering with my pal Ned and he's all
mad about the whole concept of the Other Show.
But here's the theory:
They've taken FK out of production/syndication (well not including SciFi
-we don't all get it). So what we think is that because they (TPTB) knew
about The Other Show, Aaron Spelling didn't want any competition. DO you
think Mr. Spelling was smart enough to buy out Sony's desire to produce
the show? Was _he_ the reason that the Mysterious Buyer couldn't get
Forever Knight?
Worth Pondering....
Yours,
Candice -obsessed by memory, befriended by desire, Cousin by choice
Toreador by default
winter@j.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:26:54 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
Catherine Boone writes:
>Yes, Nick was happy with being a vamp at that point, and continued to be
>happy as a vamp for the next 700 years...this wish to become mortal is
>really a very recent occurrance in Nick's life.
First, I think he said what he said to Fleur about being a vampire was
so she wouldn't be worried about what he'd gotten himself into. Second,
Nick has been searching more seriously for a cure for about a hundred
years (due to events described in the flashback of first seaon's Love
You to Death primarily), but I disagree that Nick was "happy as a vamp
for the next 700 years". In the Canadian version of the two-part
premeire of the series (Dark Knight and Dark Knight: the Second Chapter),
Nick says to LC not long after coming across, "I want to go back." LC
tells him it's impossible. And what of the doubts engendered in him
by his encounters with Joan of Arc in first season's For I Have Sinned?
He originally meant to kill Joan, but didn't. Instead what she said to
him I think made him consider whether he *had* to be damned. What of
the *three centuries* prior to the flashback in Love You to Death where
he was trying to kill only, in the words of LC, "the criminals and the
derelicts, the useless and the impure". And the *many* times we've
seen him disturbed at having drained someone. These are *not* the
actions of someone who is *happy* being a vampire. In the beginning
(after LC told him he couldn't go back to being a mortal) and maybe
perhaps *at times* since, he convinced himself that he was content
and happy with his lot.
But it's obvious to me at least that Nick *wasn't* content or happy
*long* before the events shown in Love You to Death. What happened
in that episode just hastened his decision that feeding on people
was *wrong* (the "straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak),
which he had been progressing toward with trying to "justify" killing
by picking those he thought deserved to die for the previous three
centuries. I've never believed that it was *just* what happened in
Love You to Death that made him change and want to become mortal;
he had been moving toward such a decision for a long time (just more
slowly and steadily). LC's actions in that episode just hastened
that decision.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:51:53 -0800
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Is Aaron Spelling THAT smart?
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Cousin Candice wrote (re: the Other Show):
> about The Other Show, Aaron Spelling didn't want any competition. DO you
> think Mr. Spelling was smart enough to buy out Sony's desire to produce
> the show? Was _he_ the reason that the Mysterious Buyer couldn't get
> Forever Knight?
Boy, we're a paranoid lot, aren't we? I find this theory worth
considering, myself.
All the papers and the TV Guide are really pushing this show (TV Guide
shouldn't surprise anyone; Rupert Murdoch owns it AND Fox), but I haven't
yet read a favorable review! On the one hand, I want it to fail if ONLY
because it's getting so much attention while quality programming like FK
was mostly ignored. It's excessively violent, I've heard, with a bunch of
cardboard-cutout beautiful people, like on the (other) Fox soaps.
On the other hand, if it bombs too badly TV execs
being the way they are might believe that vampires just aren't ratings
material after all and reviving FK becomes more difficult.
I just wish the SOB's hadn't cast Kelly Rutherford, because I don't have
an excuse not to watch it now (at least, the first couple eps).
And today's "C'm ON, Give Me A Break!": the vampire nightclub in this
masterpiece of originality is called "The Haven." Janette should sue.
--Valery (I'm going to the Gerthering, too! Yipee! Let's all do
Disneyland, ok?)
kingv@u.......
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:59:45 -0500
From: Melissa Puzio <miss68@p.......>
Subject: Re: Who's the master?
Wicked Cousin Tippi wrote:
>Actually, isn't that exactly how Nick became a vampire? Janette drained
>him and Lacroix... resucitated him.
From what I remember from "Dance by the Light of the Moon" Janette only
seduced him before bringing him to LaCroix. I don't think she bit him at
all. I think they even reinforce this in "Near Death" It was LaCroix that
drained him and gave him life.
Cousin Mel
*NatVampCamp*AmarigeScentedNatPacker*Founder of Valentines*
miss68@p....... or Penchk68@a.......
"You shouldn't play with equipment you don't understand," Alina, "Urs' Big
Idea, part 8"
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:04:28 -0800
From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......>
Subject: Re: BE MY VALENTINE Nick/Lacroix/Fluer
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Sandra Gray wrote:
> for the next 700 years". In the Canadian version of the two-part
> premeire of the series (Dark Knight and Dark Knight: the Second Chapter),
> Nick says to LC not long after coming across, "I want to go back." LC
Wow. Really? Hmm, that being the case, I think it's been way, *way* too
long since I've watched my first season tapes!
But, regardless, I think I would take that remark to be his first gut
reaction, not a serious conviction. He got "cold feet." A perfectly
rational response. I can see how it might seem that he is beginning to
doubt his choice, but I guess I personally can't rationalize it with the
many times we've seen him munch down people without a second thought.
Not something I would think he would do, if he were already doubting
himself. I'm horrible with episode names, but the flashback in either
Hunted or Hunters, whichever was earlier, and the one in Blood Money, are
some examples of what I considered to be his pre-Sylvaine behavior.
> tells him it's impossible. And what of the doubts engendered in him
> by his encounters with Joan of Arc in first season's For I Have Sinned?
> He originally meant to kill Joan, but didn't. Instead what she said to
> him I think made him consider whether he *had* to be damned. What of
It's funny how For I Have Sinned has come up many times already in this
thread. I always considered the scenes between him and Joan as the most
Lacroix-ish, on his part. He's actively trying to either kill Joan or
bring her across. While she might have given him something to think
about, I didn't get the impression at all that he was actually listening
to what she was saying at the time. He was concentrating on trying to
seduce her to vampirism. But, as I say, it's been a while for some of
these. (Alas, alack!)
> the *three centuries* prior to the flashback in Love You to Death where
> he was trying to kill only, in the words of LC, "the criminals and the
> derelicts, the useless and the impure". And the *many* times we've
Mmm, well, I know this may sound like I'm reaching, but I don't think
that that's particularly indicative of a wish to become mortal. I mean,
there are other reasons to feel obligated to kill only the outcasts of
society, than just the fact that you think you're going to be damned if
you don't. I mean, when a farmer has a herd of cattle, does he kill his
best bull to eat? No, he'll kill the old and the deformed, and keep the
best to sell or breed or whatever. It's not a particularly spiffy
analogy, but I can more easily see a vampire choosing to kill only the
outcasts for that reason, than the one you've described. But I have the
sinking feeling it's entirely a matter of interpretation.
> centuries. I've never believed that it was *just* what happened in
> Love You to Death that made him change and want to become mortal;
> he had been moving toward such a decision for a long time (just more
Now, that's a very interesting question. I'm not sure if Nick *would*
have gone on to want to become mortal, if Lacroix hadn't done what he
did. I mean, he may not have been entirely thrilled on the drinking
blood idea, but I don't think he would have had anywhere near the
extreme reaction he did, if it hadn't happened. I'm not sure if he
would have eventually drifted to the idea or not, but I think it would
have to take pretty darn long, i.e. I think he'd be sticking with it
today. But I think that the question is by no means cut and dry,
which is cool, because I hadn't thought of that before. :)
Incidentally, that's the main reason why I could never forgive LC for
killing Sylvaine; not because it devestated Nick, but because it was so
incredibly sloppily done, it ended up having the opposite effect from
what Lacroix planned, and just degenerated into a big mess, as far as he
was concerned. Usually he's ever so much more tidy about those things,
that's what I like most about him. Ya gotta admire precision.
Now where'd I put those tapes again?
Catherine
---------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Boone catheboo@c.......
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with
themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:10:08 -0500
From: Melissa Puzio <miss68@p.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Family (long)
Jackie D wrote:
> Um, excuse me.....I thought that the Greeks, and the Romans, had a
>long standing habit of using a sharpened horn to scrape the hair from *all*
>parts of their bodies with the exception of the head and eyebrows.
EYEBROWS!! Ugh! not again. I guess ol' Lucius didn't take a horn to those.
Me thinks they should have.
Cousin Mel, who did write an Eyebrow Challenge story
NatVampCamp/Founder of Valentines
miss68@p....... or Penchk68@a.......
"You shouldn't play with equipment you don't understand," Alina, "Urs' Big
Idea, part 8"
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:09:29 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial)
>I don't think the priest was whammied.
> Of course, Lacroix is so old and powerful that he can do just about
>whatever he wants to do. So....
I do think the priest was whammied. Just something about his face when he
turned back around. But I also think when LaCroix said, "This never
happened.", he was also trying to convince himself. Of course, that didn't
work. LaCroix can't whammy himself.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:20:17 -0600
From: Cheryl Angelroth <cangel@o.......>
Subject: Late nights
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have to admit that TV, if watched at
all is best at night, late night. This is especially true for any vampire
show. I guess one of my reasons is that whenever I am home in the day it is
to sleep or eat or other necessities. Regardless of reason, however, I still
prefer TV at night, with one problem...Every show (of the few) that I like to
watch at night gets taken off due to low ratings. The most obvious example is
FK. (Another is Mystery Science Theatre) And the rare times when they move
these shows to prime time...Ricki Lake should be all I need to say. So do you
too have this dilemma? There are enough infomercials on for the networks to
keep fk and Mystery Science Theatre on.
C Angel
Crazy-Raven-Knightie-Natpacker
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:31:33 EST
From: MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......>
Subject: That Show & Time Travel
I am caffeine-deprived, and in an eeeeevil mood. Not fun evil, either.
I'm going to watch That Show. I will even, maybe, tape it. I will
give it a chance. But if it falls as far short as I anticipate it will,
then y'all will get a "Top Ten Reasons You KNOW You're Not Watching FK"
list as soon as I'm done watching it. I'm going to wait 'til Wednesday,
when the second ep airs. (Heck, I always give my dates three attempts to
screw up... I should give this show three hours. Then...:> )
Re: Time Travel.
Jamie, I disagree. (ducks) Not because we're slaves to the show's
canon---we're not---but because previous Wars have already incorporated
Don's and Cohen's death, Tracy's presence, etc. It's too late. And too
confusing.
Which is not to say we can't bring them back. :)
Schanke may have possessed Lacroix in the Happy Souvlaki last
November; and the Lurkers may have created a Schankelvis for a while at the
Raven. None of that is to say you can't contact the Other Side and rectify
the past. (Yo! Calling Sam Beckett!!) And anything that may go wrong in the
Finale to End All Finales, we can fix the same way. Maybe not in Quantum
Leap fashion, but the patented Plausible Explanation for What You Didn't
See works just as well.
In short, the only guarantee we have for the next War is that Susan
will be washing the Caddy at high noon. And I'll be there with my Nikon. :)
Christina Mercenary FoFoD Part-time Valentine, Part-Time N&N
vqrw76a@p....... Night Manager, CERK-TO radio, 690 on your AM dial
"Cool! Fantasy - 1. Reality - 0. Eat LITTLE MERMAID, Voice of Reason!!" -
from the last War, uttered by someone singing "Les Vachons" later on...
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:40:38 -0500
From: Rebecca Howle <JHHowle@a.......>
Subject: Re: Hand/Thing/Glove: A Theory
I think that Jamie has hit on something with this topic! I totally agree with
her on the whole Hand/Thing/Glove explanation and the many incarnations.
Plus since she owns it I would be crazy to argue with her. I don't want that
thing running after me!
Rebecca
Hotel Goddess for the Shrewthering, Dark Knightie- all the fun of liking Nick
without all the guilt and angst! Proud New Co-Owner of some Blue Meanies.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:51:39 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Various (Some spoiler on Sons of Belial)
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:07:38 -0500 Chana Rossman wrote:
>the easy manner in which the
>priest was whammied by LaCroix. Here is a man who deals with pure evil on a
regular basis. One would suppose he had a fairly high >tolerance to
"suggestion". Yet one look from LaCroix and...
I think about it this way. LaCroix was probably the most powerful evil being
the priest had come across.
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Non-faction/fractional FK fan
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