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FORKNI-L Digest - 27 Nov 2004 to 28 Nov 2004 (#2004-329)

Sun, 28 Nov 2004

There are 14 messages totalling 380 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. address for Sharon Scott
  2. YKYAFKFW...
  3. YKYBRTMWPW....
  4. FK Moment (6)
  5. FK Moment #2
  6. Yesterday's Birthday:  November 27
  7. French pronunciation (was: FK Moment) (2)
  8. FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Nov 2004 to 25 Nov 2004 (#2004-326)

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:39:43 -0800
From:    "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: address for Sharon Scott

Does anyone have a current email address for Sharon "Scottie" Scott?  The
last I have for her is <sss44@a.......>, but that's a few years old -- from
the last time she posted to fkfic-l, actually -- and it bounces.  I want to
contact her regarding her thoughtful "Flowers in the Night" fanfiction (1993).

If you do have an address for her that you can share with me, please email
or copy me _off-list_.  (I'm set mail on fkfic-l, as always unbroken since
1996, no matter how far behind I fall, but I went no-mail on forkni-l again
when I officially fell an entire year behind in digests.)

Thank you very much,
Amy

akr@l.......
Bright Knight: http://users.LMI.net/akr/fk/

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:27 EST
From:    Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: YKYAFKFW...

...you have a dream involving one of the FK actors.
This one involved my family and I going to a "community
center" type market. I looked over to a row of computers,
mostly unoccupied, and I saw John Kapelos at one on the end.
I called out "Mr. Kapelos!" in order to get his attention, but he
didn't respond, so I didn't say anything more because I didn't
want to make a scene.  Weird, huh?
AgapePhilos,
Dory.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:32:33 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: YKYBRTMWPW....

You know you've been reading too many War posts when...

Your dream last night featured not just the normal FK charecter, but Jackson
Hugh as well!  (BTW, you're right, VERY nice singing voice.  <G>)

                     -Megan


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:15:37 -0800
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y......>
Subject: FK Moment

You know you've been reading/watching too much FK when you get the
Vampire: Bloodlines game, and keep thinking "It should be LaCroix, not
LaCroix (pronounced like the spring water)!" whenever they refer to the
prince.  Heh.

=====
Emily M. Hanson
emilymhanson@y......
http://www.starbase-eprime.us

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:11:23 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

> "It should be LaCroix, not
> LaCroix (pronounced like the spring water)
You mean, the spring water is pronounced laCROY? Barbarians!

(Although it does remind me of LaCroix's scene in Amateur Night, where he
introduces himself to Nick as "Inspector LaCroy", in a thick Chicago(?)
accent.)

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:15:29 EST
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

In a message dated 11/27/2004 10:13:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
agottfre@t....... writes:

You  mean, the spring water is pronounced laCROY?  Barbarians!




Hm, that's what I was thinking. I've never seen a commercial or anything to
hear the way it's pronounced.

Robin

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:38:50 -0500
From:    Sarah Merchant <sarah@r.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

When I worked at a car dealership I had a customer who's last name was
LaCroix and he pronounced it laCROY. Another with the last name Chevalier
that pronounced it as spelled with a hard 'r' sound at the end. He got mad
when people pronounced it the French way.
Sarah

On 11/27/04 10:11 PM, "Angela Gottfred" <agottfre@t.......> wrote:

> You mean, the spring water is pronounced laCROY? Barbarians!

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:25:33 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

> Angela Gottfred wrote:

> You mean, the spring water is pronounced laCROY? Barbarians!

Welcome to the Midwest (LaCroix water is from Wisconsin), where we
have our own spin on French names, such as the St. Croix (Saint Croy)
River and Prairie Du Chien (Prairie duh Sheen), Wisconsin.

It never occurred to me to pronounce LaCroix water any other way!

Nancy Kaminski
barbarian in Minneapolis

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:07:24 EST
From:    Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: FK Moment #2

Seen on a menu tonight (in this order) :
Cadillac Margarita
Nicolas Margarita
:)
AgapePhilos,
Dory.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:46:25 -0500
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

At 10:25 PM 11/27/2004, Nancy Kaminski wrote:

>Welcome to the Midwest (LaCroix water is from Wisconsin), where we
>have our own spin on French names, such as the St. Croix (Saint Croy)
>River and Prairie Du Chien (Prairie duh Sheen), Wisconsin.

And cities like "Duh MOYNZ" (Des Moines), "CURdaleene" (Coeur d'Alene), and
"BOY Zee" (Boise)...

>It never occurred to me to pronounce LaCroix water any other way!

While I would have thought the cities in question to be pronounced "Day
MWAN", "Coeur dah LEN", and "BWAHZZ"... OTOH, I grew up on "LawnGUYlinn"
(Long Island), took French for my "foreign language", and went to uni in
the greater "BAHstin" (Boston) area...



Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project https://members.tripod.com/~TMana/
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Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:18:24 -0600
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Yesterday's Birthday:  November 27

Hi Y'all!

Yesterday was the birthday of:  Janne (aka Alyssa J. Flynn)  kokuyo@f.......

You may send birthday greetings to Janne at the above email address.
Please NOT to the list!

Others who share this birthday:
Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg, Attorney/Lawyer
Jaleel White, TV Actor
Anders or Andre Celsius, Scientist
Jimi Hendrix, Rock & Roll Singer
Cornelius Vanderbilt, Financier

Significant events on this date:
1779, the College of Pennsylvania became the University of Pennsylvania
and the first legally recognized university in America.
1910, New York's Pennsylvania Station opened as the world's largest
railway terminal.
1945, C.A.R.E.: Cooperative for American Relief Everywhere was founded.
1948, Honda first opens in America.
I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Janne!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed) and email address to me,
eowyn3@j......., privately, and I'll be glad to add you.

Terri
eowyn3@j....... or eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, FK X-Stitcher, Proud Survivor of FK Fic Wars 8-11, Texas Knight
Dreamers, Knighties List Owner, Keeper of the FK Birthday List

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Date:    Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:45:25 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: French pronunciation (was: FK Moment)

I've also heard that it's the French in France that have their pronunciation
wrong! Supposedly, there was a vowel shift in France after the colonies of New
France were cut off (after the conquest of New France by Britain in 1759); in
France, they changed from saying moi as "moy" to saying "mwa" while in North
America the pronunciation remained unchanged.

On the other hand, in Quebec French today, the pronunciation is not "moy" but
"mway". So I have no idea what the real story is--for some strange reason, most
writing on the history of French pronunciation is in (technical) French...

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:06:42 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: French pronunciation (was: FK Moment)

> Angela Gottfred wrote:

> I've also heard that it's the French in
> France that have their pronunciation
> wrong! Supposedly, there was a vowel shift
> in France after the colonies of New
> France were cut off

This is actually very probable since every living
language changes continually.
Of course that doesn't make the French pronunciation
'wrong'.
Same thing happened to English around Shakespeare's
time (it's called the Great Vowel Shift). So
Shakespeare probably sounded more American than modern
British (linguists think the English of the times
sounded like modern Irish actually) than you think
because the habit of not pronouncing 'r' and
lengthening the 'a' sound happened after the
colonization of the New World.
Listen to the French the Cajuns speak. It is the French
of the original French settlers in Canada (they were
later driven away by the British).
I don't know but I suppose that Quebecois pronunciation
is very much oriented after 'French' French to stress
the difference. Also French is regulated by the
Academie Francaise, which English is not.
(listening to CBC French news gave me the impression
that the Quebecois sound very different from the French
btw)

my 2 (euro)cents' worth of babbling

Doris
who shudderingly remebers her Medieval English seminars
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Date:    Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:08:34 -0800
From:    Karen Reincke <kaylagaylegroups@y......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Nov 2004 to 25 Nov 2004 (#2004-326)

Finally, one of my specialties!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, children had some toys back then.  Boys had martial weapons and girls had
dolls.  There were jacks and the sort as well.  But children were supposed to
be miniature adults.  Unless they were poor, they were not even seen most of
the times by their parents.  Until the age of 5, they kept a separate household
among the women.  This from the diary of King Henry VIII's son, Edward VI.  Then
they got a separate household complete with staff and lackeys.   Most of the
playmates were appointments.  Edward deplored this, but didn't know why.  They
were also expected to work all day--Latin, Greek, french, mathematics, philosophy
etc.  There was not really time to play.

Women were more tedious.  They could only sew and watch the men.  Watch the PBS
series Regency House to see that even grown women couldn't play with the boys.

The Victorian age allowed children more to be children but not as much.    This
was due to labor saving devices.  But for how they played I again refer you to
1900 House on PBS and also the series where they were Colonists in the US.  You
most likely could check them out at the local main library.

Children did not really become children until Belle Epoch--the late 1800's to
the early 1900's.  And this was really upper class children, or at least the
middle class.

The poor of course worked in the fields or in factories from sunup to sundown.

Thanks.
Naia Zifu <naia_zifu@b.......> wrote:
But children have had toys and dolls to play with for as long as there
have been children. Even if their days weren't all carefree playtime, they
must've had some of it, or no toys would've ever existed before the
Victorian era. It's just that now, there are all sorts of frivolous toys
that serve no purpose, where most toys used to be simulations of adult
activities, probably either to prepare kids for the future, or the children
wishing to be grown up (as kids always have :-P . . . and wouldn't, if they
knew how hard it is once they get there. . .). Think more like miniature
weapons for hunting or warring, or dolls and play stoves and dishes to
simulate the traditional women's roles, rather than the video games and
robots kids mostly play with now. There would've been toy animals, too, as
that's been a common theme amongst kids' toys for millennia. Maybe a carved
wooden horse would be a good idea, as it would carry the nostalgia without
so much of the violence of play weapons and war games.


> As to medieval toys, children of even royalty had very little playtime -
> bear in mind that 'childhood' as a sacred time when you play, have fun, and
> are free from labour and the cares of the world is very much a Victorian
> concept. It has been said that they invented childhood.



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