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FORKNI-L Digest - 18 Jul 2004 to 19 Jul 2004 (#2004-193)

Mon, 19 Jul 2004

There are 8 messages totalling 233 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Civil rights in Canada (5)
  2. Crusader fic challenge Reminder
  3. LaCroix Water
  4. No objection Re: Civil rights in Canada

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Date:    Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:32:27 -0400
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Civil rights in Canada

Howdy,

This is in response to Megan's question.  I'm only answering this on list
because I vaguely recall some of Reese's on-show comments regarding civil
rights, or at least I think that I recall that he talked about civil rights
issues???.  And yes if I recall correctly, the comments were almost entirely
US-oriented, which I found rather infuriating for a Canadian show, but I
have to acknowledge the reality that the US market is ten times the size of
Canada's.  (That said, I did appreciate the episode about our aboriginal
peoples.  Aboriginal issues in Canada are nearly as prominent in Canadian
society as they are in Australia, at least in my humble opinion.)

However, if there's any follow-up on this (other than, say, "Will you dork,
you remembered wrong, Reese never spoke about civil rights!"), I'm thinking
that Lisa would want us to take it off list.


Hi Megan,

I'm too young to remember for sure, but as I recall, we didn't have a civil
rights struggle in the same way as in the States. Yes, there have been civil
rights issues, but not in the same way as in the States.  For instance,
although unfortunately there were African slaves among some of the French
and British colonists in Canada, slavery wasn't as prevalent as in the
States.  Besides which, Canada was at the end of the Underground Railroad,
so we certainly treated our minorities better than the US colonists did, if
I might be so bold as to say that.

Also, I don't know of any event in Canada that was as seminal as Selma, or
anyone so inspirational or controversial as Rosa Parks or Dr. King.  Sure,
we had our share of struggles about different issues, such as Quebec
separatism and aboriginal peoples, but it was nothing like in the States.

Finally, I know how controversial the issue of civil rights is, so if my
recall of history is incorrect, please don't kill me.

W.

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Date:    Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:19:01 EDT
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: Crusader fic challenge Reminder

Posted with Permission

In 1998, Erika Wilson issued a challenge: write a story commemorating
the anniversary of Lucien Lacroix's entrance into the world of the
vampire. The date of this occurrence, of course, is the day that
Vesuvius erupted---August 24, 79 AD.

How would Lacroix celebrate his Conversion Day? Do Nick and Janette
give him presents? Does he have a party? Or does he ignore it
completely? You decide---and write about it! We will post challenge
entries on the Crusader website:    http://www.nancykam.com/crusader/
And once again ask readers to vote for their favorite story.
Send entrys to: nancykam@c.......

The winner of the vote will receive a copy of "Pompeii" by Robert
Harris---an exciting tale of the last three days before Vesuvius
exploded. This novel has got it all: intrigue, dirty politics,
romance, murder, and civil engineering!

The deadline for entries into the challenge is August 4. Voting will
take place until August 20, and the winner will be announced on August
24, the 1,924th anniversary of Lacroix's Conversion Day.


All The Best,
Susan Ellen Field
SField8067@a.......

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Date:    Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:02:05 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Civil rights in Canada

In a message dated 7/18/04 5:32:50 PM Central Daylight Time, goid@i.......
writes:


>   Besides which, Canada was at the end of the Underground Railroad,
> so we certainly treated our minorities better than the US colonists did, if
> I might be so bold as to say that.
>
Ironically, I'm reading a wonderful biography of former slave turned
Underground Railroad heroine Harriet Tubman.  When she rescued her own family, she
took them to Canada. Just as a bit of an interesting fan fic idea, it could be
possible for Reese to be a decedant (sp?) of Harriet's brothers or sisters,
fictionally, of course.  If the slaves stayed in the US, it was always possible
for a "slave catcher" to get them or even kidnap free people of that race and
return them to their owners or sell the freemen.

IMHO, Canada is still ahead of the US in some civil rights areas, or at least
parts of Canada are. I know the Rainbow Knights members know what I'm talking
about.

As far as First Nation (what those of us in the US call Native Americans),
that I'm not sure about. One of the plays Greg Kramer was in, "Red River," dealt
with this but I don't remember the play well except the First Nation people
were not treated well.

--Libs

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Date:    Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:17:05 -0700
From:    Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Subject: Re: Civil rights in Canada

--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/18/04 5:32:50 PM Central
> Daylight Time, goid@i.......
> writes:

> IMHO, Canada is still ahead of the US in some civil
> rights areas, or at least
> parts of Canada are. I know the Rainbow Knights
> members know what I'm talking
> about.


I know this is getting far off topic, but would those
civil rights encompass the 22,096 Japanese Canadians
that were interned during WWII?

Mo

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Date:    Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:22:43 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Civil rights in Canada

In a message dated 7/18/04 7:17:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
mobody_62@y....... writes:


> I know this is getting far off topic, but would those
> civil rights encompass the 22,096 Japanese Canadians
> that were interned during WWII?

No, and actually I wasn't refering to heritage so it wasn't necessarily a
fair comparison on my part. I wasn't aware there were Japanese Canadians held
in WWII, though I'm very much aware of the American citizens of Japanese
anscestory who were held in the US. Both, I think, might make good basic ideas
for FK fan fic stories since Fk did explore such things from time to time.

If FK were being filmed today, I wonder if they'd have gone even deeper into
such matters?

--Libs

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Date:    Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:21:19 -0500
From:    Cassie Disiere <cadisiere@a.......>
Subject: LaCroix Water

Hey everybody!  Guess what?  I'm down here in Texas just outside of
Houston, and I went to pick up a few things at Kroger's this evening
before heading home.  What I did pick up was a gallon of drinking water
and a twelve pack of...you guessed it...LaCroix Water!  Kroger's was the
only place I have seen them so for.  I have yet to taste it though, so
please don't tell!

Cassie


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Date:    Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:54:44 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: No objection Re: Civil rights in Canada

The reason Canada was the main destination of the Underground Railroad from the
US was that the British Empire, including of course Canada, had abolished
slavery in 1837.

We did have an episode where the flashbacks dealt with an escaping slave. From
the places mentioned, it was in my old area, the central Carolinas.

As for Reese, yes, he did talk about the Civil Rights struggle as if he were an
American and there was the episode with the creep who sent him cotton flowers
as a taunt. There was also the ghost in the house that was a gateway (ok, ok,
it's Monday morning and I can't recall the title <g>).  The apparition appeared
to have been killed in Viet Nam.  Blu Mankuma is originally from Washington
State and moved to Canada during the Viet Nam war, so I always figured that maybe
Reese had the same background.  As long as he'd been naturalized in Canada, I
don't think a non-citizen origin would have been a problem with his joining the
Metro Toronto Police.

McLisa, who figures there were enough tangential references to the show that
I'm not going to yell about topicality. :)
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:39:57 EDT
From:    Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: Civil rights in Canada

Yes Japanese Canadians on the west coast of Canada were interned, just as in
U.S.  I saw an exhibit of the internment in the ROM a few years ago.  A black
mark for both countries.  After fugitive slave law act was passed in 1850, slaves
were passed into Canada.  Concord Ma was one of the "stops" on underground
r.r. On the whole, Canada has better record.  JudyL

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