FORKNI-L Digest - 10 Dec 2003 to 11 Dec 2003 (#2003-60)
Thu, 11 Dec 2003
There are 5 messages totalling 178 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. looking for 'zine submissions
3. Fic help - church
4. Votive candles was Re: Fic help - church
5. Votive candles
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:42:22 -0500
From: allison <smilewithviolets@n.......>
Subject: looking for 'zine submissions
Posted with McLisa's permission.
For my Master's publishing course at Emerson we have to complete the program
by publishing something - go figure. i'm putting out a magazine.
Grotesque... So, i'm looking for short stories, poetry, art, etc. FK is
welcomed though it's not the main focus of the magazine. (Dark, horror,
macabre, odd, black humor, etc.) Please email me with Grotesque in the
subject line for guidelines or questions.
"Play with us forever in creepy
eternity. Here you are loved."
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:08:53 +0100
From: Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
There's a useful site called epinions.com that we have used several
times when looking to buy something; you can submit reviews of just
about anything. Well, they just put up the FK DVD's for review and so I
just had to add my two cents worth!
The site is www.epinions.com
What I wrote:
This tv show was compelling viewing back in the 1980's when it was first
networked. For a show made on a fixed budget in an era when special
effects were just beginning to come into their own, Forever Knight is
Nicholas Knight (Geraint Wyn Davies), an 800-year-old vampire, is
disillusioned with his life and horrified by the death and destruction
he has caused. He vows to repay society for his sins, and to that end
becomes a cop in present-day Toronto. He is trying to become mortal
again with the help of the city's coroner, Natalie Lambert (Catherine
Disher). Life is complicated by the presence of his vampire "sister"
Janette (Deborah Duchene) who runs a gothic nightclub in the city, and
by memories of his vampire past with both Janette and his vampire
father, Lucien LaCroix (Nigel Bennett), seen in flashbacks throughout
More than a cop show, more than a typical vampire show, Forever Knight
broke new ground in the genre. Ignoring some of the more fantastic ideas
of vampirism (changing form, crumbling into dust), Forever Knight
vampires are more realistic, able to live and work in society without
raising suspicion amongst mortals. The interplay between the normal
human society and the parallel vampire society is fascinating, with
Nicholas Knight living in both worlds and fighting to keep his secrets.
The active fan base proves this tv show has staying power, and it has
become cult viewing in many countries, and has many fans eagerly
awaiting the second and third parts of the trilogy (seasons 2 and 3 of
the show respectively).
The five DVDs come in a beautifully-designed boxed set, and includes
several scenes which were cut from the networked show to allow time for
Go to the site, read the reviews, make a review, and let's get some more
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:25:31 -0800
From: Lady Ariake <lady_ariake@y......>
Subject: Re: Fic help - church
--- "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>
> 2. In a church, what is the candle thing that
> people light candles to remember loved ones or for a
> prayer called? I always refer to it as the prayer
> candle thing, but I don't think that would flow too
> nicely in a story.
Normally, those are votive racks or votive altars.
Usually, they're in front of an "icon" (in an Orthodox
church it would be a literal icon in the art history
sense, in a Catholic church is would more likely be a
statue or a painting, depending on the church's size
and budget.) Pretty much only Catholic, Orthodox, or
one of the Eastern Rite churches would make much use
of these. In a Catholic church, there were almost
always be a votive altar in the Lady chapel or the
alcove dedicated to Mary, and often one dedicated to
the Sacred Heart of Jesus, too. If there's space and
a budget (or it's in an Italian neighborhood; they
love their statues) there's usually one to the
church's patron as well.
It also usually costs money to light a candle. At my
old church (Our Lady of Lourdes) the large candles
(big thick pillars) cost $2.25, and the little votives
cost 50 cents. (This is in US dollars.) The money
goes to the poor box or to whatever charitible fund
the particular parish needs money for at the time,
like Operation Rice Bowl, a seasonal Lenten charity.
(At my college church, St. Pat's, the candle donation
was "suggested", but normally it's mandatory.)
Jennifer, NNPack lurker
"May your evening NOT be filled with the screams of the damned as their souls
writhe in eternal torment and the possessed feast on the blood of the
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:24:57 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Votive candles was Re: Fic help - church
Votive candles are sometimes also found burning and can be purchased to light
in Anglican churches, called Episcopal in the U.S. In the U.S., it means the
church is very much what we call "high church," meaning that the liturgy and
ceremonies are very similar to Roman Catholic. This is true in England, so it's
probably also true in Canada.
McLisa, an Episcopalian who has not, so far, had an opportunity to visit an
Anglican church in Canada and has only seen the Anglican cathedral in Toronto,
which was the location for the Catholic church in For I Have Sinned, from the
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:07:34 -0500
From: mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Votive candles
In many Catholic churches the offering to "pay" for the candle is
absolutely optional or need only be a token amount that is not specified.
It depends on the spirit in which the parish is run. I attended Catholic
churches growing up. At St. P's, we would never have dared to light a
candle without first putting a coin in the slot. At St. M's, paying for a
candle wasn't even suggested.
Some Episcopal churches (including the one I attend now) like the idea of
the lit candle symbolizing a prayer. We have a votive tree--a beautiful
iron sculpture--that holds tapers. It isn't associated with a Lady Chapel
or any particular image, it stands on its own, and no offering is
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