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FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Nov 2003 to 24 Nov 2003 (#2003-43)
Mon, 24 Nov 2003
There are 25 messages totalling 739 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. infinity >was re:christmas gifting< (2)
2. FK DVDs on eBay at good prices
3. More extras in CBS's "Dead Issue"
4. piano (12)
5. Admin: Rules to be posted today, I hope
6. 1966 Freeze Frames
7. Which episode? (3)
8. CBS-only scenes in "I Will Repay"
9. GWD Piano
10. Piano--Nick explaing the expensive Piano to Schanke
11. piano2
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:22:06 -0800
From: chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y......>
Subject: infinity >was re:christmas gifting<
>"never underestimate the power of stupid people in
>large numbers"
yeah... one of my favorite thoughts on the subject of
idiocy comes from your friend and mine, Albert
Einstein. Quoth he: "Two things are infinite: the
universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not certain
about the former."
and to make this on-topic...uh...i love nick's car.
chris ;?
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I'm not a fatalist, but even if I
were, what could I do about it?
~Emo Phillips
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:30:48 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: Re: infinity >was re:christmas gifting<
LOL...I can make it on topic. Doesn't this one sound
like something LC might tell Nick? Of course, it'd
have to be vampire child stupidity or something like
that.....not sure if I'm making sense but it just
reminded me of some of LC's comments about the
futility of Nick's search.
Mel
--
- "Two things are infinite: the
> universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not certain
> about the former."
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>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:19:06 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: FK DVDs on eBay at good prices
For those who missed out on the introductory rate on the FK DVDs, check eBay.
There's quite a few up for bid at less than retail. Look for both Forever
Knight DVDs and Forever Knight Trilogy as if sellers use automatic FK posting
stuff for DVD, it comes out as "Forever Knight Trilogy Part 1."
--Libs
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:00:22 -0500
From: Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: More extras in CBS's "Dead Issue"
First, thanks to everyone for all the great piano info! Somehow I think Nick
would choose a Steinway. But then again, that rising sun over Kawai's logo might
appeal to him, too. (Goes with the loft decor, y'know.) :-)
Thanks, too, to Shenandora for the German translation of the sign in "1966."
Hey, I *was* pretty close!
On taking a still-closer look at the CBS vs. Canadian & DVD versions of "Dead
Issue," I'm finding a few more bits that appeared only on the CBS broadcast
(besides the snippet with Nick hitting the bottle). In the flashback where Ilsa
confesses her "woman's crime" to Nick, there's much more of their conversation.
The lines in brackets below were only in the CBS version:
Nick: What crime could you possibly have committed that torments you so, Ilse?
[Did you steal? Give false witness? Utter a curse against the king? Come now,
you are barely two and twenty.]
Ilse: I committed a woman's crime. Seduction. I seduced a gentleman. A
nobleman.
[Nick: My dear Maiden Ilse...]
[Ilse: No longer maiden, sir! My evilness has destroyed that, and with it my
ability to enter into a marriage with the man I love!]
Nick: I have known seductresses...
Though they chopped all the episodes to itty bitty shreds, CBS obviously also
had access to dailies and/or other footage that just never ended up in the
Canadian versions. There's a really good scene in "I Will Repay" (with Nick balling
out the cop whose gun the perp grabbed) which is only in the CBS version. I'll
post a transcription of that tomorrow.
--Jean G.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:08:15 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <tim.phillips@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
> > RUMOR HAS IT: Geraint requested a Steinway
< snip>
> Considering the budget the show was operating under, I doubt that he
> could request they obtain such an expensive piano
It might not have been that expensive a request to fill.
My understanding is that movie/television studios maintain prop
warehouses where they store props for reuse. Productions working
for that studio basically have free/low-cost usage of any props that
they can find. So, if there was a Steinway in there from a previous
movie/television show.....
I also know that things like rare/unusual automobiles are frequently
literally rented from people who permit their car to be used in a
television show or movie. Something similar might exist for other
objects. I could see someone who has inherited a Steinway "renting"
it out rather then having it gather dust in storage that they have
to pay for.
For that matter, how expensive would it be to just rent a panio for
the span of months that FK would have actually been shotting scripts
during a given year?
Geraint may have requested that a Steinway be provided if possible.
If it wasn't very expensive/difficult, the production may have
accomodated his request as "good staff relations".
Tim
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:40:40 EST
From: Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
In a message dated 11/24/03 8:08:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tim.phillips@a....... writes:
> I also know that things like rare/unusual automobiles are frequently
> literally rented from people who permit their car to be used in a
> television show or movie.
I knew someone whose father rented his Tucker for use in the George Lucas
film. He and the 40 or so others that rented them actually drove their own
cars, and were on the set whenever the cars were being used. That might be
cumbersome for a weekly series.
Something similar might exist for other
> objects. I could see someone who has inherited a Steinway "renting"
> it out rather then having it gather dust in storage that they have
> to pay for.
If I "inherited" a Steinway, I would never rent it out to anyone. I would
either play it, or sell it. A vintage Steinway could sell for anywhere from
$20,000 and up. Very expsensive, sought after pianos. It is possible that they
rented it. I dont think they would spend that much for a prop for a show that
was on the verge of being cancelled every other week or so. Being that the
studio they were working out of an was old industrial building, I doubt there
was a vast warehouse of studio props somewhere for them to use.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:02:40 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Rules to be posted today, I hope
First there was my new internet/virus protection software, the one that wouldn't
work without all the Windows updates and the new version of Internet Explorer.
Then there was download all of those. Then install newsoftware and run scan
of entire system. After that, which took all of Sunday afternoon, I couldn't
get into my Mindspring account because Earthlink/Mindspring was having trouble.
So, new software and Earthlink/Mindspring willing, the rules should be along
some time this afternoon or evening.
If anybody writes to me and gets bounces, sorry. I have to learn how to control
what looks like an overprotective spam shield.
McLisa,
listowner for Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:06:51 -0500
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: piano
In a message dated 11/24/2003 8:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tim.phillips@a....... writes:
> I also know that things like rare/unusual automobiles are frequently
> literally rented from people who permit their car to be
> used in a
> television show or movie.
A bit of FK alumni trivia - In the episode of ONCE A THIEF with Nigel and John
K., Greg Kramer's character, Mr. Murphy, drives a vintage motorcycle.
Apparently the owner of the bike was just off camera so Greg wasn't able to
really take off on it. <g>
Libs
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:53:12 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: piano
Actually, I can share something about renting props to film companies,
because I have done it. Sometimes they need things (like Tucker
automobiles or antiques) that simply can't be gotten readily anywhere
else. So they rent them from private individuals; I've been told the
rule of thumb is that rental payments are 10% of the value of the item.
More importantly, the owner gets to call the shots on the terms of the
rental. Insurance for the replacement value of the prop is standard, but
the film industry is well known in certain circles for treating people's
treasured possessions like, ummm, props. So often you will find that an
anxious owner is just out of sight when filming happens (and boy do you
learn set etiquette *fast*). The Tucker owners may well have rented
their rare and treasured cars on the condition that they were the only
ones to drive them. My dh and I did the same when renting an antique
sextant to a documentary crew; dh was particularly keen to make sure the
actor actually held and moved the sextant correctly, in addition to not
dropping the thing.
Getting back to the piano, I don't know of any cheap grand pianos. So
"in for a penny, in for a pound", it's probably not much more expensive
to rent a Steinway from a piano dealer than to rent some other make. In
Calgary, we have the international Honens piano competition every year
or two (www.honens.com); for the first year, the city's leading piano
dealer provided a large number of grands for use by the competitors, and
then had a sale on "lightly used" grands after the competition. Which
leads me to believe that grand pianos don't have such a high turnover
that they can't be spared from the showroom floor for a few months,
especially if they are generating rental income.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:02:47 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: 1966 Freeze Frames
I got my first passport in 1967. It was much less than ten, I know. There was
a renewal provision but the total was less than ten. When I next travelled
outside the U.S., in 1976, I had to get a new passport. I think the ten years,
non-renewable limit had been put in place by then. I know my last passport,
issued in 1990, was for ten years and could not be renewed.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
Poster: Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
>Nick's 1966 passport says his name is Nicolas Thomas (No "H" in Nicolas); that
he was born 09/05/35 (making him 31 in 1966); and that the passport was issued
10/04/64 and would expire 10/04/68. (Weren't US passports usually good for 10
years? Well, at least they are now.)
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:09:45 EST
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
Good Morning :o)
Angela said:
>"in for a penny, in for a pound," it's probably not much more expensive to
>rent a Steinway from a piano dealer than to rent some other make.
I would absolutely agree with this; and add to it that my son's former High
School and more than one "penniless" (honestly) Theater company, whether
associated with the local College, HS, or just private, has indeed had a
Steinway.
They were generally BABY Grands, though, and these are a bit less expensive.
The one at my son's HS was a full on Concert Grand; I understand it was a
donation.
OTOH, I have some difficulty imagining Geraint Wyn Davies (like I know him or
something, LOL, obviously, I do not) being particularly recalcitrant about
what piano he will play when his show is in difficult straights (back then).
On still another hand, I have seen folks who are far less than "stars" be
awfully demanding about what they will and will not play!!
So, who knows ;O)
IMHO, it is entirely possibly a Steinways was rented or even borrowed for FK.
I have seen them in so many places that surprised me at the time, that it
would not surprise me at all :o)
>Which leads me to believe that grand pianos don't have such a high turnover
>that they can't be spared from the showroom floor for a few months, especially
>if they are generating rental income.
And there is that; when I have gone into piano showrooms, they are so dying
to have me try "whatever I want;" I imagine Grands and Concert Grands are not
that easy to sell!!
Just another two cents.........
Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee (who has a day off until 11 pm woo hoo <g>)
Billie-Lee/Suzi
RN, Ph.D., et al :)
"Oh Master Grant that I may never seek, to be consoled so much as to console"
(Saint Francis)
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:55:40 -0500
From: "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>
Subject: Which episode?
I have this scene in my mind for a story I am writing, and I was going to go to
my tapes for more info, but I can't remember which ep it is from.
I know it is second season. It is the episode where the lady police officer (or
aide) is seemingly after Schanke because he is married. At the end of the ep
she offers him hockey tickets (Leafs v. Ducks). When he declines and says Nick
should go, she says she'd ask someone else. Nick is sitting at his desk and
looks down at his ringless finger and smirks.
Any help? Please send replies to debrabant_foundation@y......
Thanks!
-Amanda
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:18:41 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Which episode?
> I know it is second season. It is the episode where the lady police
> officer (or aide) is seemingly
> after Schanke because he is married.
I want to know too! I tried to keep track of all the minor police
characters, so I could recycle them if I wished, but I didn't note which
one had the obsession with married men. Darn.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:15:03 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: Re: Which episode?
It seems to me it was Beyond the Law. Am I right?
Mel, not quite sure herself
>
I want to know too! I tried to keep track of all the
minor police characters, so I could recycle them if I
wished, but I didn't note which one had the obsession
with married men. Darn.
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:36:11 +0100
From: Cloudrider <cloudrider@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
That background stuff around pianos and props etc. is kinda cool, as
always! Just wanted to add a comment to Ger's request. . .
> > RUMOR HAS IT: Geraint requested a Steinway < snip>
> Considering the budget the show was operating under, I doubt that he
> could request they obtain such an expensive piano
The big question is here simply: What for??
Billie-Lee wrote:
> OTOH, I have some difficulty imagining Geraint Wyn Davies (like I know him
> or something, LOL, obviously, I do not) being particularly recalcitrant about
> what piano he will play when his show is in difficult straights
Same here. Huge difficulties. I just can't see it.
At least from every interview or weekend tape or article or anecdotes from
people who know him personally or work with him, from every single one - anyone
got that impression? Or could he come across more differently?
But every second sentence of that guy seems to be kidding!! I could SOO easily
picture him saying that as a joke, then someone taking it seriously and passing
it on, becoming a rumor everyone believes in the end. I think someone suggested
already he was kidding here, sure a lot of us suspect the same.
Simply, what for would Ger want a Steinway?? I could see him requesting one
for Lacroix, or Janette, but could Nick as a supposedly poor cop show off a
20.000+ $ piano without risking to get people suspicious, and do some
investigating on him??
Even if he wanted one for Lacroix or whomever, wouldn't it have sufficed to
simply take some similar piano, fix a fake Steinway plate on it, have the prop
people do a bit cosmetics? Isn't everything faked on TV shows anyway? Would
the producers care if one out of 1000 viewers would notice it's not original?
Okay, so I'm completely clueless about pianos, that's those black thingees with
four legs and a keyboard.... <g> But the guy with the piano is still Nick, and
he better be careful. He's supposed to neither be a millionaire nor a star player,
so IMO it just wouldn't fit to the role.
And not to Ger either. Him simply playing diva, nothing expensive enough?
Who, Geraint Wyn Davies???? Uh, kidding, right? ;-)
Cloudrider
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:06 -0500
From: Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: CBS-only scenes in "I Will Repay"
Credit going where credit's due: list member Kristin spotted these
not-in-the-Canadian-version scenes in "I Will Repay." She's planning to put all of these
"missing" bits from CBS up on her website in the near future, and will no doubt
post info. on that as soon as she has. Meanwhile...
Nat has an extra line in Act 2 when she and Nick are wheeling Richard's "body"
out of the hospital. She tells the nurse, "I can handle it. Oh, by the way, I
know it's the duty of the attending physician, but I'd appreciate it if you'd
let me tell Richard's wife."
In Act 1, Nick collars the cop whose gun the perp got hold of in the Precinct
Station hallway and rakes him over the coals:
Nick: Tell me again, what happened?
Cop: I dunno!
Nick: You don't know. Who's responsible for your weapon? Come on, tell me!
Who's responsible?!
Cop: I am.
Nick: Yeah. You're responsible for it. So what the hell kind of answer is 'I
dunno'?
Stonetree: Nick! [then to the cop] Annis (?), take the rest of the day. [cop
exits]
Nick: [glaring] How's Barney?
Stonetree: He's gonna make it.
Nick: I wish I could say the same for Natalie's brother.
Stonetree: I know. Best prosecutor in the city. We've lost a hell of an asset
if he doesn't pull through. And a friend. [He walks away.]
[Nick is then seen huffing over to his desk and sitting down, whereupon Schanke
tosses a file at him and says the witness isn't likely to trust them to walk
her dog now, or some such.]
--Jean G.
FK Fan Fiction Archive: http://members.aol.com/JeanB7
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:51:05 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <tim.phillips@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
> > > RUMOR HAS IT: Geraint requested a Steinway < snip>
> Same here. Huge difficulties. I just can't see it.
I believe it is "seeable" if you you remember it was a "request".
If Geraint has a preference and thought he might have opportunity to
play - even if it was just a way to pass time on-set while they were
arranging lighting or reloading film - he may have asked if a
Steinway could be found.
A simple request - "Bob, when you go looking for a piano for the
set, see if they have a Steinway. It will match the décor you are
after and the tone is superior if we ever really want to have me play
it in a scene".
In this "version" of reality, Bob did manage to find a Steinway and
brought it in.
It wasn't Geraint slamming his weight around, he simply asked if it
was possible and someone clever/lucky found a way to accommodate his
request.
From everything I've ever heard about Geraint, I'd be surprised to
see him "up in arms" about having a different piano onset. In truth,
if they were going to actually use the instrument in a scene, it
would be easy enough to dub the sound after the fact.
It is my understanding that this was commonly done to handle the
difficulty of talking with the FK fangs in place, so why not just
overdub the piano?
Tim
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:05:00 +0100
From: Cloudrider <cloudrider@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
From: Tim Phillips:
> - even if it was just a way to pass time on-set while they were arranging
> lighting or reloading film - he may have asked if a Steinway could be found.
Oh yes, exactly! THAT is something I can envision, him sitting around waiting,
then asking for a Steinway to have some fun. (Just would like to see the look
on his face if they'd really bring one in <g>)
But for Nick the cop, I just think his budget for toys should already be used
up with the Caddy and the bike. Uhm, and the stereo, etc. . .
Cloudrider
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:25:23 -0800
From: Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y......>
Subject: GWD Piano
I never had the honor of meeting him, but I feel where is a gifted pianoist, he
may prefer a certain piano. Like, as a writer, I prefer blue ink and white
paper but of good quality. It depends on your taste and I can see him like that
and also maybe placing it there himself if the budget was tight. He has a kind
heart that gives to no end.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight12281992@y......
He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:17:16 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <tim.phillips@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
> But for Nick the cop, I just think his budget for toys should already be used
> up with the Caddy and the bike. Uhm, and the stereo, etc. . .
Image the scene with me...
Schanke: "So tell me, Nick. How did you afford a Steinway?"
Nick arches eyebrows at Schanke.
Schanke (defensively): "Myra's sister plays. Ten years of off-key
Christmas caroles..." (Schanke shivers).
Nick (laughing): "An old friend couldn't play anymore and wanted it
to have a good home with someone who would appreciate it."
Schanke (impressed): "Some friend."
Nick (confidentially and with a note of remembered longing): "Yes.
A good friend"
Compared to Nick's food/sunlight/inability-to-die "issues"
explaining away a Steinway is a piece of cake.
:-)
Tim
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:19:02 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: piano
Or, version 2:
"My uncle Louis left it to me when he died, about ten years ago. He
loved that piano, and didn't want it to go to a stranger. He knew I
could never afford one, and I would never sell it." Nick caresses the
keys lovingly.
As someone else said, a piece of cake!
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:30:55 -0500
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Piano--Nick explaing the expensive Piano to Schanke
Tim, I loved that scene, if only that could have happened in the TV show. I
always felt the writers of the show missed the boat. They had Geraint, an
actor who was very talented, and could play this gorgeous instrument, but
they hardly let Nick show his talent.
Too bad we can't rewind time, go back and let the fans write some of the
"should have been" scenes. Oh, but that is a fantasy. I guess we'll just
have to keep writing and reading FK fan fiction!
And I agree with you, it would have been a piece of cake to explain an
expensive piano, compared to the food and sun allergies. I absolutely loved
the little scene you wrote...perhaps you should consider writing a story
around that scene? Well, it doesn't hurt to ask, does it. <BG>
P.S. I always did love the fun scenes between Nick and Schank.
Deborah --aka Forever Knights Lady
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on 11/24/03 2:17 PM, Tim Phillips wrote: Image the scene with me...
Schanke:"So tell me, Nick.How did you afford a Steinway?" Nick arches
eyebrows at Schanke. Nick:"An old friend couldn't play anymore and wanted it
to have a good home with someone who would appreciate it." Schanke
(impressed): "Some friend."
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:58:17 +0100
From: Cloudrider <cloudrider@a.......>
Subject: Re: piano
Tim wrote:
> Nick (laughing): "An old friend couldn't play anymore and wanted it
> to have a good home with someone who would appreciate it."
LOL!! Cool, I'll get back on ya when I need a good excuse for something <g>
This works perfectly as a single scene, of course! Ditto for Angela's :)
It's just that IMHO there's still this little problem that too many weird
things are adding up, too much to explain without ever getting anyone
suspicious (except Schanke...) As you say, those little "issues" of him,
diet, sun-allergy, all sorts of weird stuff, additional to where he gets
the money for the Caddy, bike etc. Somewhere is a limit.
Of course, if it had been required for a plot, they'd still have put it
in, no question. Only that plot wasn't there, so what for.
Deborah wrote:
> They had Geraint, an actor who was very talented, and could play this
> gorgeous instrument, but they hardly let Nick show his talent.
Sigh. Couldn't support that more, what a treat those few scenes were.
Couldn't Ger play a pianist in a movie for a change, instead of tons of
villains? Would absolutely LOVE it!
:-)
Cloudrider
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:01:53 -0800
From: Cheryl Pillsbury <fknight12281992@y......>
Subject: piano2
Well, we could say two things, one, someone left it to him or two, LaCroix gave
it to him as a gift. Hahaha. I'm trying and dying.
Cheryl Pillsbury
FKnight12281992@y......
He was brought across in 1228
I was brought across in1992
I will always be his Forever Knight
ForeverKnight.5u.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:55:51 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: piano
>As you say, those little "issues" of him,
> diet, sun-allergy, all sorts of weird stuff, additional to where he gets
> the money for the Caddy, bike etc. Somewhere is a limit.
The Caddy isn't a big deal either--he rescued it from the auto wreckers
ten years ago, and worked on it ever since. Single guy, no girlfriend,
well-paying job, lots of free time--no big deal. Ditto with the bike.
(He needed to ride something while he was fixing up the Caddy.)
> Of course, if it had been required for a plot, they'd still have put it
> in, no question. Only that plot wasn't there, so what for.
I think they just needed to 1) fill the space in the set; 2) further
establish Nick's artsy, sensitive side.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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